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JBoss Group Developers Walk Out

simoniker posted more than 11 years ago | from the neither-j-crew-nor-j-lo dept.

Java 313

An anonymous reader writes "According to The Inquirer, 'seven consultants for The JBoss Group publicly announced the immediate termination of their contracts and the foundation of their new company, Core Developers Network.'"

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So... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120564)

Who are the JBosses now?

Re:So... (2, Funny)

muckdog (607284) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120610)

Tony Danza of course!!!

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120619)

You sir are, well funny. Thats it.

HOW IS THE FIRST POST REDUNDANT??? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120673)



God, Slashdot is fun when all the moderators are literally 13 year olds. Wheee!

jemployee... (-1, Offtopic)

0x12d3 (623370) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120567)

officially apathetic

Re:jemployee... (0, Offtopic)

Randolpho (628485) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120697)

Don't you mean jApathetic?

Re:Agreed -- Who Cares (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120766)

Who Cares --- you know how many shitty contracts I've walked out of and.. as always..who cares...

FP? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120569)

Who fucking cares?!

hrm (0, Offtopic)

thesadjester (87558) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120573)

Is everyone everywhere quitting now?

Will techies be able to get jobs now? Cool.

techy jobs (1, Offtopic)

SHEENmaster (581283) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120792)

If you have no skill but don't mind pretending that you do visit the public high school of Jefferson County, TN.

The techs there spent a week with no results trying to get an OS X box on the school lan (DHCP, http proxies on 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.2; they configured neither.)

Other duties would include leaving the proxy servers running warez copies of NT 4 on service pack 3. Wasting tax payer money on piece of shit security packages is optional.

Re:techy jobs (1)

fussman (607784) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120899)

[joke]How did you find out what I do for a living?
[/joke]

It's not hard to configure such things on MacOS X box. I configured both things and more in about 30 minutes time. Now having these things work on a mac three days later is another horrifying story.

What is Core Developers Network? (3, Informative)

Gortbusters.org (637314) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120575)

From their site...

We are pleased to announce the founding of Core Developers Networkâ, a new services company supporting enterprise open source Java software. Core Developers Network is a partnership of peers with the guiding principles of integrity, openness, and fairness. Its charter is to provide a commercial infrastructure to enable open source contributors to deliver their professional expertise to the marketplace, independent of their contributions to open source projects.

Many of our partners are core developers with cvs commit privileges on the JBoss project, and this enables us to offer a wide range of services geared towards the JBoss server, including professional documentation, training and expert support.

The focus of Core Developers Network, however, is wider than just JBossâ, and we have partners with cvs commit privileges on other projects including Jetty, Apache Jakarta, and XDoclet. Direct support is available today for these projects, as well as 3rd party support for several other Core Technologies.

We are committed to having the same level of involvement in our current projects that we have had in the past. This means that we will continue to work on the JBoss project itself. In addition, we will continue to support the JBoss project via the jboss-development and jboss-users mailing lists maintained by SourceForge.net, as well as any other open public forum. Unfortunately, the forums on jboss.org are a commercial venue for the JBoss Group LLC, and therefore we will not be participating in them.

A few of our partners have offered support through the JBoss Group LLC in the past, but for various reasons have concluded that their professional aspirations would be better served outside of the JBoss Group LLC. In order to ensure that customers previously supported by our partners continue to receive the same level of high quality support, Core Developers Network is offering these customers a limited amount of free support during this transition period.

We want to emphasize that our partners will continue to provide the same responsive, high-quality technical support as we have always done. The founding of Core Developers Network simply signals the natural emergence of competition in the marketplace. We hope that broadening the range of service options for open source projects will raise the level of support available and lead to even greater adoption of these Core Technologies.

Please look for us at JavaOneâ booth 1705!

Core Developers Network

This just in... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120843)

The focus of Core Developers Network, however, is wider than just JBossâ...

We are moving our focus from Java to PHP, and whill henceforth be known as PHBoss.

I've got a more basic question (1)

Trepidity (597) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120898)

What the hell is JBoss?

Their site's slashdotted, so I can't find out there, and the story (and comments) don't really give any hints, beyond the fact that it apparently has something to do with Java.

Help! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120576)

We are trying to bring sco's web server down for the 2nd night in a row. However, there aren't enough people downloading the very large files tonight. So, if you have bandwidth and are fed up with SCO, see this comment [slashdot.org]

jwho cares? (-1, Flamebait)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120578)

Honestly? Java is just another run-of-the-mill-dime-a-dozen-oreilly-excuse-for-a- sale-waste-of-space.

Who cares if some people got jfed up with some jjob that involved jjava?

JTom.Sig() == "So What? Who Cares?"

These guys like Java... (4, Funny)

Gortbusters.org (637314) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120588)

6:30 am -- I scrape myself off of Dain's couch and grab the laptop. Dain is perched over a cup of coffee, wearing his "code poet" shirt. My luggage and tripod are by the front door. On our way out to the car I ask myself "are we really going to go through with this?"

Re:These guys like Java... (5, Funny)

SphynxSR (584774) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120633)

The real question is what the tripod was for? And did it have anything to do with him on the couch.

Re:These guys like Java... (2, Informative)

janda (572221) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120832)

"tripod", also known as "wheelie", also known as "that thing with the little wheels you strap you luggage to".

No, the real question.... (4, Funny)

Nick Driver (238034) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120846)

The real question is what the tripod was for? And did it have anything to do with him on the couch

I think the real question is: Is Dain's last name "Bramage"?

Inquisitive minds just gotta ask.... ;-)

Sorry I couldn't resist.

Tripod???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120671)

Sounds like there were making a porn a site

ahem they did not walk out (4, Informative)

linuxislandsucks (461335) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120594)

As of today's date they are still coding on the JBoss porject..

There servered their consulting contracts JBoss group only..

People really should master the skil of reading sometime soon..

Re:ahem they did not walk out (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120608)

There servered their consulting contracts JBoss group only..

Hate to tell you this, but your sentance makes no sense.


People really should master the skil of reading sometime soon..


And when they're done with that, perhaps they should learn how to WRITE!

Re:ahem they did not walk out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120629)


Wouldn't that be "writin"

sentance? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120698)

what the fuck is a sentance ?

are you sure you don't mean "sentEnce?" I don't understand the schmucks who post on slashdot to criticize others' writings when they can't construct a proper sentence with decent grammar or spell themselves!

Re:sentance? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120726)

Haha, I trolled you!

Re:sentance? (1)

Opie812 (582663) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120839)

t h e m s e l v e s woo-hoo. I did it.

Re:ahem they did not walk out (3, Funny)

DWIM (547700) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120615)

As of today's date they are still coding on the JBoss porject.. There servered their consulting contracts JBoss group only.. People really should master the skil of reading sometime soon..

Indeed. And their spelling, too, while they're at it.

Re:ahem they did not walk out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120657)

An obvious troll.

Re:ahem they did not walk out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120819)

People really should master the skil of reading sometime soon..

And perhaps also the skill of spelling.

is this even legal ? (2, Interesting)

ramzak2k (596734) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120596)

wouldnt Marc Fleury got these developers under an NDA agreement by which they wouldnt be able to work on a similar project for a different company ?

Sounds like a nice good legal brawl brewing up.
Download jboss before it is too late !

Re:is this even legal ? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120650)

It's not really an NDA (non-disclosure agreement) that would have that kind of clause but is more of a non-competition agreement. You're point, however, is a very one! They could very well have such a clause in their consulting contracts. On the other hand, I like to think that they've done their homework and either avoided this sort of clause at the negotiation stage or have determined that they have solid legal footing on which to stand.

In any case, good luck to them with their new business. Let's hope your dire predictions aren't played out. *runs off to download JBoss* ;)

Re:is this even legal ? (1)

Fulcrum of Evil (560260) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120841)

It's not really an NDA (non-disclosure agreement) that would have that kind of clause but is more of a non-competition agreement.

According to the linked article, they're in California, which is famous for its rather anti-NCA attitude. I'd be surprised if anything could be done about this.

California (1)

Groo Wanderer (180806) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120858)

From what I understand, they are only in California for Java One next week, most of them are not based in California.

-Charlie

Re:is this even legal ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120654)

it's an open source project, how can a GPL license be coverred by a NDA?

My Contracts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120600)

So are the contracts I had with them still valid? Are they now with the new company or retained by JBoss Group?

Ohh, the drama (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120601)

If they were girls, this would bettter than a catfight on sex and the city.

Am I missing something? (1)

Cruel Angel (676514) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120603)

Like perhaps why this is a big deal? As far as I can tell, some techs have violated their contract, and formed their own business. Am I wrong?

Why is this /. worthy? It's just a breach of contract, probably mixed with bad management, big egos, and stealing customers.

Re:Am I missing something? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120621)

ofcourse it is news worthy atleast for those who are using this in their work ofcourse.

Re:Am I missing something? (1)

slasher999 (513533) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120636)

Agreed. I think the waitress at the local coffee shop quit last week. Should I have submitted a story? It's tech related since they used a PC based POS system. Seriously though, I suppose if one has an interest in the project (although I don't recall ever hearing of it before) this could be considered /. worthy.

Re:Am I missing something? (1)

rfsayre (255559) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120755)

I dunno, did she give notice?

Re:Am I missing something? (1)

The_Spide (571686) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120835)

I think the real question is does she have a
website and/or blog discussing why she quit.

Rememeber a story is useless without a link :)

Re:Am I missing something? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120929)

Why do we need links to stories... nobody reads the stories!

Re:Am I missing something? (5, Insightful)

spacecowboy420 (450426) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120805)

Those who use Java for anything that requires an app server realize this is a signicant post. JBoss is one of the best open source app servers available. Basically, if you use Java, you understand the point. This isn't to say that Java is the best, or that everything else sux, but if you are interested in programming, Java should be on your radar - last I checked, programming and programming languages are a relevant "nerd" topic. If a significant Perl/C tool was affected this way, I doubt there would be any questions as to the validity or significance of this story.

Re:Am I missing something? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120833)

Did she take all the coffee, sugar and cream with her when she left?

Re:Am I missing something? (1)

Randolpho (628485) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120708)

Why is this /. worthy?
Free advertising for an open source startup company? Isn't that something /. is well known for? :)

Meet the JBoss ... (5, Funny)

eric2701 (231977) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120604)

same as the old boss.

Re:Meet the JBoss ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120769)

Man, that is just too funny.

BUSH = RECESSION (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120606)



The Republicans ran out on the American People long, long ago.

take the money, run, take the money, run, take the money . . .

suck my left nut (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120607)

and make my right one jealous.

More marketing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120611)

I can't seem to find anything on either site that clearly says what they do. Do they know what they do, or do they just know the buzzwords?

Now we're doing, (3, Funny)

Dot.Zeile (461136) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120620)

JPHB project....

Re:Now we're doing, (1)

axxackall (579006) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120815)

I know PHP and PhD. But what is PHB and why is it linked to Java?

Re:Now we're doing, (1)

Prof.Phreak (584152) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120848)

I think he means "Pointy Hair Boss" from Dilbert - shoulda been rated as funny, but many didn't catch the joke.

whatever (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120625)

you can tell they really think they're pretty important.

motivations for new company? (4, Interesting)

bolthole (122186) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120628)

In quickly scanning through the scant info they have on the new core developers site, it looks like they have a slightly adapted "internet bubble business plan":

1. Dedicate self to just doing "Open Source" work
2. ???
3. Profit!

Yeah, okay, they are associated with existing projects. But the site makes it sound like they are running a business, but they as yet have no proven business *product* unique to themselves.

Re:motivations for new company? (4, Informative)

markhb (11721) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120685)

They're consultants on JBoss and a range of other FOSS items; hence, they themselves (more specifically, their expertise) are the product. If the conventional Open Source business plan is summarized as:
  1. Write and distribute free software
  2. Sell support for the software
  3. Profit!!!

then think of it as forking step 2.

Remainder of my .sig: be the majority of voters.

Re:motivations for new company? (0, Offtopic)

penguinblotter (599271) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120865)


So Ballmer is off-base when he says software is not reaching commoditized status?

Ballmer Memo to Troops [com.com]

Ballmer also disputed suggestions that software and other aspects of information technology are reaching commodity status. "There is an interesting debate emerging in the industry today about the value of information technology," he wrote. "Some pundits are suggesting that IT no longer matters; that what was once a transforming technology has reached the end of the road in terms of innovation, that it ceases to be a source of business advantage once everyone has it, and that customers should just optimize for costs and outsource IT for efficiencies.

Does television hardware/software rule now, or does television service and content rule?

Re:motivations for new company? (4, Informative)

more fool you (549433) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120838)

you didn't "scan" very well.

Documentation [coredevelopers.net] - Subscriptions
Training [coredevelopers.net] - From core developers
Support [coredevelopers.net] - Including remote development

Yeah, okay, they are associated with existing projects. But the site makes it sound like they are running a business, but they as yet have no proven business *product* unique to themselves.
I'd say attending training delivered from the core developers is not something that is offered very often.

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1, Offtopic)

Eric Destiny (255168) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120637)

in soviet russia, jboss walks out on you!

buzzwords (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120638)

kindly stfu plz k thx bye

some faces to those names (5, Interesting)

ramzak2k (596734) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120640)

Here are the faces behind those names [jboss.org] in the article.

Re:some faces to those names (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120659)

nerd-o-rama

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Meet the New JBoss... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120645)

...same as the Old JBoss.

Who? what? when? why? how? (4, Interesting)

Laplace (143876) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120646)

If someone could answer those five basic questions about this story, many of us would appreciate it. Thanks!

Journalism? We don't need no stinkin' journalism!

JWho? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120649)

From the original post, I have no clue who or what JBoss is. After reading some of the comments, I'm guessing it's got something to do with maintaining buzzword-compliance by using Java for something, and Java is a very buzzword-compliant language. (Dunno what else it's good for tho)

But can the site survive a slashdotting... (2, Funny)

Erisian Pope (636878) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120651)

That hurts. Not only did they have to throw together a site in secret, as soon as it hits the net it has to face slashdot. I will be truly impressed if it survives.

Those servers that are about to die, I salute you.

Re:But can the site survive a slashdotting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120691)

considering they helped build JBoss, i'd be surprised if it didn't survive a good old fashion /.ing

Yes with ease (1)

Groo Wanderer (180806) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120889)

I just got a call from one of them telling me to look on slashdot. I asked about this very thing, and he told me the numbers (and asked me not to repeat them). They were scary low. I'll see if I can get them to post the statistics, but since the site is hosted on JBoss, it put the power of that server in a whole new light for me. If you guys are reading this, and I know you are, post the numbers, it would be interesting. At worst, it is easy Karma whoring :)

-Charlie

P.S. The 'Now you understand the power of the .NET architecture' got strained laughs.

Who? (4, Interesting)

signe (64498) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120655)

So why is it that I only recognize one or two of the names of these "core developers"? And the ones that I do recognize, only barely. They don't seem to be the people that I know are involved with the core development and operations of JBoss and the JBoss Group.

In fact, it sounds like they're just being antagonistic, and using /. to get some publicity. I don't understand why it's not possible for both CDN and JBoss Group to thrive and serve the community. But they seem to think that they can only exist by killing the other "fork", if that's even what it is. Competition is good for the industry, even open source. But CDN looks like they're just trying to cast JBoss Group in a bad light (disparaging their stats).

Oh, and as I remember it, it wasn't just their call to terminate their contracts with JBoss Group for providing support. JBoss Group was non-renewing the contracts anyways, because they had decided that it was a better idea for them to be the support company themselves. They didn't terminate the contracts immediately when they started their own support offerings, but they did make the decision to not have any new consultants, and to start thinning out the ones they did have.

-Todd

Re:Who? (0, Offtopic)

Fulcrum of Evil (560260) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120855)

I don't understand why it's not possible for both CDN and JBoss Group to thrive and serve the community.

Re:Who? (3, Informative)

toddhunter (659837) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120880)

Well I certainly do recognise the names and they are guys who do major work for jboss and jbossweb (jetty). Listed here [coredevelopers.net] And they say they will continue to do so. Go to the jboss forums and search for a few of them to see how much they know about jboss.
Seems they just want to earn some money doing their own support, probably because they don't like the Jboss group model, or were not getting ahead with them.
I doubt this is a big deal. Probably just here on slashdot because
a) People like to wind up Marc Fluery
b) See above

Re:Who? (1)

loconet (415875) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120903)

They seem to be quiet involved [coredevelopers.net] in the related projects to me.

Re:Who? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120933)

You obviously aren't as disinterested as you are pretending to be. Why not state your relationship to this story rather than do a poor job at astroturfing?

Re:Who? (3, Informative)

kingkola (679033) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120947)

From their website:
" Dain Sundstrom
Dain is the author of CMP/JBoss, an implementation of the CMP 2.0 specification for JBoss 3, and is the leading the JBoss 4 persistence team. Dain has 7 years of experience in enterprise computing working with companies such as United Health Care, McKesson, Corporate Express, MCI and McDonalds.
David Jencks
David is the author of the distributed transaction manager and the JCA subsystem for JBoss, as well the author of the JMX tags for XDoclet. David has written JCA adapters for the Firebird database and for clients such as FMG, and has worked with webMethods on the integration of JBoss into the webMethods Integration Platform.
Greg Wilkins
Greg developed the Jetty http server and servlet container, which is the default web container in the JBoss server. Greg has 18 years of experience in enterprise computing working with companies such as Cisco, Telstra and the London Clearing House and he sits on the experts panel for the java servlets specifcation.
James Strachan
James is a co-founder of the Jelly, dom4j, jaxen and saxpath projects. He is also a member of the Apache Jakarta Project Management Committee, and sits on several Java Specification committees. James has over 15 years of enterprise computing experience working with companies such as SpiritSoft, PaceMetrics, Rabobank, CSFB, NEON, Nomura Research Institute and JP Morgan.
Jeremy Boynes
Jeremy is a member of the JBoss 4 Persistence Team, and maintainer of CMP/JBoss. Jeremy has over 20 years of enterprise computing experience working with companies ranging from the Fortune 100 to Silicon Valley startups including BT, Sequent Computer Systems, Cisco and Bravanta.
Jules Gosnell
Jules spearheaded the integration of Jetty into JBoss in November of 2000 and has since been deeply involved in both projects. Jules has 12 years of experience in enterprise computing ranging from Toshiba's Research and Developement Center in Tokyo to the London Financial sector, including clients such as Nomura, Credit Suisse, UBS Warburg, and major eCommerce players such as LastMinute.com.
Remigio Chirino
Remigio is the principle developer of JMS/JBoss, and developed the first iteration of the Aspect based infrastructure for JBoss 4.0. Remigio has expertise in designing, building and deploying enterprise messaging systems."


They look pretty significant in my view, but maybe its just me. CMP, Dist. XA , JMS, Jetty all seem kinda important, especially in the corporate environment.

The moral of the story is... (0, Flamebait)

mkozlows (21830) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120658)

... never make open-source development an important part of your business, because if you do, your developers can walk out and sell the code you paid them to develop.

(Unless you sign them to non-competes, which I can't believe the JBoss Group didn't do.)

Re:The moral of the story is... (1)

HornyBastard77 (667965) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120689)

Unless you sign them to non-competes, which I can't believe the JBoss Group didn't do.

How can a company have no-competes for open source development (or consulting)? That would go against the open source license, wouldn't it?

Re:The moral of the story is... (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120816)

a software license (commercial EULA, MIT, BSD, GPL, etc) covers the software

A non-compete agreement covers the employees.

Re:The moral of the story is... (4, Insightful)

Dr_Marvin_Monroe (550052) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120732)

Unless of course, you take good care of them and allow each of them to have a little room to grow and a little bit of sun.....

You see, most people would put up with a job that's demanding and requires long hours IF it was rewarding in some way (money helps, but it's not the whole picture)....the sheer venom that I read in that article means they were mad....they wanted to hurt JBoss group as much as they felt they were wronged....

I suspect that the pressure has been building for some time, this isn't just a "..hey, lets form our own business!" daydream.

Who cares (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120665)

It is an anonymous submission about someone setting up in business. Sounds like self promotion and a moderator should just delete it.

Re:Who cares (1)

ktorn (586456) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120770)

I submitted the JBoss story (not anonymous) 4 hours ago and it got promptly rejected (probably some automated system, 'cause it was too fast). Weird that they'd publish this now.

Regarding who cares, how about all the J2EE application developers out there?

Arrrrr Captain - the techies are revolting !! (3, Interesting)

plierhead (570797) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120666)

I guess these guys are about to find out whether the collective sum of their egos adds up to more than the use of the name "JBoss".

My guess is it doesn't - I don't know much about what JBoss group, but my guess is they do pretty much the same old EJB consulting for customers that everyone else does. Building yet another Customer object for yet another client. Not the sort of thing that requires the world's greatest experts in transaction management, object persistence, etc. etc.

As long as the JBoss group can quickly fill in for these guys with warm bodies who know how to write "Hello world" (any Java programmers on the bench and eager for work right now ? Yep, thought so) then their customer contracts will just keep trucking along. Then these guys and their break-away will be faced with the dilemna that JBoss Group has solved - making money.

Re:Arrrrr Captain - the techies are revolting !! (2, Insightful)

Fulcrum of Evil (560260) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120864)

My guess is it doesn't - I don't know much about what JBoss group, but my guess is they do pretty much the same old EJB consulting for customers that everyone else does. Building yet another Customer object for yet another client. Not the sort of thing that requires the world's greatest experts in transaction management, object persistence, etc. etc.

Well, no. They have their own high-performance OSS EJB container that is known for implementing standards quickly. There's something to be said for this.

Re:Arrrrr Captain - the techies are revolting !! (1)

GrassyKnowl (547325) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120907)

JBoss is also kind of a religion. It is tough to displace a religion.

As I see it, the renegade group will not harm JBoss, but rather make it even better. The source code is not being forked. From the end-user point of view, all that is happening is that there is a new entitiy adding to the JBoss development.

Military to mimic dragonflies (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120669)

this story is far more interesting:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/justin/nat/newsnat-5j un 2003-35.htm

i think it was the name (1)

ramzak2k (596734) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120693)

anything with a boss in the name has a you know, pointy haired, pricky feeling to it. They had to leave.

Integrity? Openness? Who are they trying to kid? (5, Insightful)

Dossy (130026) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120710)

Integrity

Without personal integrity, relationships are worthless. Without relationships, everything else is equally worthless. We hold both sides of our business relationships to equally high standards of integrity.

Openness

Once you have integrity, openness follows. We're dedicated to the free exchange of information. We keep our business dealings open with one another and with the public. Of course, there are legal and practical limits to openness in business, but we favor honesty to secrecy.

This seven person exodus doesn't exactly sound like the most open or fair thing to do to The JBoss Group. But, maybe I'm wrong ...

-- Dossy

JBoss? (5, Funny)

praetorian_x (610780) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120742)

_looks up from work on tomcat_

_thinks to self: People still care about EJBs? Who knew?_

_goes back to work on tomcat_

(I exaggerate, for comic effect, of course)

Cheers,
prat

All for it... one question though (5, Insightful)

joelparker (586428) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120763)

As a former enterprise software Sun employee,
I wish the Core guys well. They do good work.

One question though: what about the business?

An lot goes into hiring enterprise consulting,
beyond good coding skills-- think of accounting,
insurance, scheduling, dedicated team reps, etc.

More importantly, my number one consideration
was trustworthiness-- including dependability--
so a mass walkout seems like a difficult launch.

Cheers, Joel

Well, here I am at Equifax... (0, Troll)

PHAEDRU5 (213667) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120775)

I've been promoting JBoss against WebSphere and WebLogic, and right now I'm looking like a moron.

Dear Marc, message to you: you're SOL, here.

Is this a French thing? You know, fucking your buddies.

What the... ? (5, Insightful)

Gord.ca (236984) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120794)

The article was big on dramatic narration at the expense of explaining what's really going on...

Why did these guys do it? Did they decide they'd have more fun at their own company? You'd think, with a move like this, they'd have serious grievences with JBoss Group. Either that or they're being backstabing bastards. I'll assume the first...

no big deal (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120804)

from the list of the members, only two are actively working on core parts of JBoss. The others work on integration with Jetty. That's not a big deal, since Jboss also uses Tomcat and jboss/tomcat integration is supported actively by the developers using JMX. The consultants have experience, but doesn't seem like it cripples JBoss in any way. If anything, the mix of developers provides an even mix of skills, rather than an outright gutting of the core JBoss developers.

Nice logo. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6120817)

Lets hope www.apple.com doesn't mind.

No real surprises here (4, Insightful)

toddhunter (659837) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120859)

All they are doing is starting their own company in order to make money supporting JBoss and a few other techs. Just like anyone else could. The only difference is that these guys actually have a lot of credibility around jboss, and hence someone might actually hire them.
No real drama here.

Hey! Ben! (1)

PHAEDRU5 (213667) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120871)

How's the view from that skyscraper at 285 and 400?

Glad you got yours before it all went oear-shaped.

Java Rebels! (5, Insightful)

rinkjustice (24156) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120887)

There's more name dropping in that timeline article than I've ever read in my life... Winamp, Code Poet t-shirt, Nirvana, Nintendo Advance etc... what are they trying to say? That they're cool? Are these brand names supposed to make me associate them with somebody special? Are they Java-coding rebels?

Ok, I'm half kidding, but the article is hardly newsworthy or even understandable to me.

Re:Java Rebels! (1)

nonderivative (678905) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120905)

uhhh? go to google news, type "JBoss" and tell me that again.

Hey, Hank! Hey, Rob! (1)

PHAEDRU5 (213667) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120893)

So, there you are at Agris, trying desperatlry to drag them from 1985 to 2003, and the mirage starts to dissipate (you know, "It's all gotta work with JBoss").

What now?

and this matters because? (3, Interesting)

f00zbll (526151) | more than 11 years ago | (#6120935)

the guys leaving hi-jacked the source code. Oh wait, JBoss is open source, therefore absolutely no measurable damage to the quality or stability of the product. If anything, it means they have to work harder to prove themselves, which means they have to continue to actively contribute to JBoss, because forking JBoss and giving it a new name makes it harder for them. But in order to build a solid reputation, they have to shine within the JBoss developer community and work well with the others. The message on their home page was politically safe and doesn't criticize Jboss or the developers.

nothing to see here. move on.

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