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Port Mozilla, Collect $3696

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the but-to-amiga dept.

Mozilla 358

An anonymous reader writes "The goal of the AmiZilla effort is to raise such an obscene/huge amount of money to give away to the first programmer/team that can port Mozilla to Amiga that Amiga programmers will be falling over themselves getting this application coded in record time. The booty currently stands at $3696. Parties interested in making some extra cash to pay off student loans/go on a wild bender can find more infomation here."

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fp? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169671)

can you feel the first post love?

Slashcode bug (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169672)

The 'read more' link didn't work until I removed 'developers.' from the URL...

Re:Slashcode bug (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169690)

worked for me, so i'm probably going with it's a problem on your side

fp? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169676)

fp?

I would rather see it coded well (5, Insightful)

earthforce_1 (454968) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169679)

Than coded fast. Code that is cranked out in record time ususally isn't efficient or stable. How do you verify that the winning code contains no major bugs?

Re:I would rather see it coded well (3, Insightful)

TheViciousOverWind (649139) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169702)

Well... My guess is that they'd be happy with a bit buggy browser at first, which can then be approved upon.

Re:I would rather see it coded well (5, Insightful)

peksik (213969) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169796)

I believe the idea isn't to get fully tested bug-free code, but moreover to get a somewhat working version of Mozilla to kickstart the development. It would work both as a proof of concept and a nice base for the port.

Amiga Owners (-1, Troll)

yatest5 (455123) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169990)

Buy a proper computer you dickwads, give it UP!

Obscene? (2, Funny)

emo boy (586277) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169691)

Is $3676 an obscene amount of money now?

Re:Obscene? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169693)

No. Hence the article. You did read it, right?

Re:Obscene? (1)

emo boy (586277) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169748)

The point I was trying to make was that in order to create a piece of software that works well and represents the rest of Mozilla community well will probably take a lot more funding than 4k. How much more are they likely to raise for this project?

Re:Obscene? (1)

MickLinux (579158) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169746)

By next year, you should be able to buy an ice cream cone with it. [yahoo.com]

I'd say that comes pretty close.

Re:Obscene? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169851)

Remember, payback is a bitch. And it always happens.

Re:Obscene? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169814)

Yeah, you should just about be able to afford an AmigaOne with it.

Nothing to run on it of course, and no users or developers. But you could buy one.

Re:Obscene? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169917)

you're absolutely right, the coders should demand a MILLION TRILLION DOLLARS!!!

Re:Obscene? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6170045)

Yeah, that's like, half the price of a new iMac!

Great Idea (4, Insightful)

Jedi1USA (145452) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169692)

Nothing like cold hard cash to get someones attention. This isn't "pay off the mortgage" kind of money, but better than a poke in the eye with a stick.

Good to see the Amiga community still alive (-1, Flamebait)

woogieoogieboogie (598162) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169695)

It's good to see the Amiga community still as fanatical as ever. Would Moz even be able to run on an 8 mhz Amiga 500.

Re:Good to see the Amiga community still alive (5, Funny)

TCM (130219) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169711)

Would Moz even be able to run on an 8 mhz Amiga 500.

You overclocked yours? 1337!

Re:Good to see the Amiga community still alive (1)

TallEmu (646970) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169727)

probably as well as the old ray-tracing programs ;)

Re:Good to see the Amiga community still alive (4, Interesting)

questamor (653018) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169730)

The newest Amigas are AmigaOnes, 800Mhz G4 boxes

Your comment is the equivalent of "It's good to see the Windows community as fanatical as ever, would mozilla even run on a 16Mhz 386" or "Would QuarkXPress even run on an 8Mhz Mac Plus"

Mind you, the AmigaOne, having been out nearly a year now, still doesn't have an OS written for it.

I hear after Mozilla is ported, someone will be working on getting networking going for it.

Re:Good to see the Amiga community still alive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169786)

> Mind you, the AmigaOne, having been out nearly a year
> now, still doesn't have an OS written for it.

What do you call amigaos 4.0?

Re:Good to see the Amiga community still alive (4, Funny)

questamor (653018) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169839)

What do you call amigaos 4.0?

"vaporware"

Re:Good to see the Amiga community still alive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6170050)

Unfinished and unreleased :-(

Re:Good to see the Amiga community still alive (-1, Troll)

lateralus (582425) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169745)

Lets see now, Moz takes 34 minutes to load on my Athlon 1.7. On an Amiga it would take aprox...Yep; It does turn out that one can pay off student loans by the time Mozilla loads on an Amiga.

Re:Good to see the Amiga community still alive (1)

Bunji X (444592) | more than 11 years ago | (#6170011)

34 minutes!?

The horrors of running MS Windows...

Re:Good to see the Amiga community still alive (1)

Asemoon (680550) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169790)

Not on a 7 Mhz A500. But on a PPC upgrade classic system or AmigaOne computer @ 600 Mhz - Dual 1.4 Ghz AmigaOne [eyetech.co.uk] running AmigaOS4 this would be powerful enough.

Re:Good to see the Amiga community still alive (1)

WWWWolf (2428) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169857)

Would Moz even be able to run on an 8 mhz Amiga 500.

Unexpanded A500? Heck no. Needs more memory. That's all. =)

I guess, of course, that theoretically the Gecko part might be able to run (verrryyy slowly) as is with gobs of extra memory. The tricky part would probably consist of Assembly Optimization, including full hardware support. (Mmm, blitter...)

I don't think they'll be able to get the UI part itself ported properly. XUL stuff takes ungodly amounts of processor even on x86 hardware. They'll probably do what everyone else's doing and put a native GUI around Gecko.

No, aside of those things, I know very little of Amiga, I'm a C64 guy... =) I'm guessing a lot here.

However, I know that in Commodore scale, 1 MHz of MOS6510 with 64k of memory is about 16MHz of 386SX with 1 meg of memory in the PC world, so logically, a 8 MHz m68k with 512 kb of memory would be 128MHz with 8 megs of memory in PC world. Or something.

Re:Good to see the Amiga community still alive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169900)

perfect. a browser named after a giant lizard, ported for the ultimate extinct dinosaur OS!

My expert opinion on the EU (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169699)

Operating Systems in Order of Gayness
by Anonymous Coward and World Reknowned OS Expert

(1) Linux
(2) OSX
(3) BSD
and the least gay, most heterosexual OS is...
(4) Any Microsoft OS

hey all you pimply faced geeks.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169707)

...i got my girlfriend pregnant last night. That is something that you will never EVER do.

Re:hey all you pimply faced geeks.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169724)

You can have sex with girls? Where do you put it?

I grew up on /., and I thought a mans dick only belonged in either

(1) Another man's asshole
(2) Another man's mouth

What is this 'getting pregnant' thing you speak of? Where do you stick it?

Re:hey all you pimply faced geeks.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169733)

"...i got my girlfriend pregnant last night. That is something that you will never EVER do."

We certainly won't be able to do this for another 8 or 9 months, that is for sure. Please give us her phone number after the baby is born, and then we can try.

Re:hey all you pimply faced geeks.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169753)

take the "my girlfriend" part and apply it to you, fuckhead. You must not be a geek, you are not smart enough to do this.

Re:hey all you pimply faced geeks.... (0)

Ender Ryan (79406) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169736)

Exactly, we're all smart enought to use condoms!

Re:hey all you pimply faced geeks.... (0)

TheDredd (529506) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169780)

Exactly, we're all smart enought to use condoms!

I must admit I do enjoy filling a condom with beer and throwing it at a lousy band playing in the local pub

You fucken tool (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169783)

don't waste time with condoms, just punch the bitch in the guts enough times afterwards to make her miscarry.

Re:You fucken tool (0)

TheDredd (529506) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169824)

Or ask her to tear of your nutts

that will also do the trick

Re:You fucken tool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169835)

no that will just stop the next pregnancy, not the current one.

Re:hey all you pimply faced geeks.... (-1, Offtopic)

TallEmu (646970) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169756)

damn straight! I've seen your girlfriend and she has a bigger adams apple than me!

$3696 / 160 =~ $23/hr for one month (5, Interesting)

Speare (84249) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169708)

If the port should take four man-weeks to do, that works out to about $23 dollars per hour. Somehow I think they're going to need to collect more bounty before developers would "fall all over themselves" for the task.

That said, if I had extra cash, I'd offer bounties for small programming tasks. My home life doesn't afford enough hacking time to do all of the ideas I write down, and I would love to parcel them out for a hobby-sized bounty to students or other junior coders who also want to use it as a learning opportunity.

Re:$3696 / 160 =~ $23/hr for one month (1)

Cocoronixx (551128) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169781)

There was a website like this. Cant find the link, but you would submit a project you want wrlitten, contact info, and amount you are willing to pay. I think the site also required the programs be GPLd.

Re:$3696 / 160 =~ $23/hr for one month (2, Informative)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169872)

Rentacoder [rentacoder.com]
Its from the same people that run planet source code [planet-source-code.com]
I cant see any requirement for GPL though.

23$ an hour is HUGE (5, Insightful)

CrazyJim0 (324487) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169797)

I just graduated CMU with a degree in CS, I'd take a $10 an hour job if I could find one.

The problem with this thing is that second place gets mo money. So if you coded for 150 hours and someone else finishes, then you got paid 0$/hr. To me, this is unacceptable because I always end up getting shafted like that.

Re:23$ an hour is HUGE (1)

NoInfo (247461) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169913)

Kid, this is America. Take some risks or you're not going to last very long.

A CMU CS degree and a port of Mozilla under your belt would likely be a Good Thing. No more of those "always end up getting shafted like that" excuses, just get out there and do it.

LOL Amiga suxxor (-1, Flamebait)

CrazyJim0 (324487) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169962)

I don't own an Amiga. I don't even use Mozilla.

You missed my point completely to throw insults, I'm not even sure why you deserve a response, but anyway. It looks like 23$/hr at face value, but since its a contest, you may not win any at all... So the actual value is much less than 23$/hr.

If you don't understand this, you're even a bigger idiot than you sound like.

Re:23$ an hour is HUGE (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169979)

I see your problem being that you don't try. BE THE FUCKING PERSON THAT DID IT FIRST.

What the fuck is wrong with our generation?!?

You'd take a $10/hr job if you got offered one but you aren't willing to gamble that you can code it faster that someone else and get paid $23/hr?

Pussy.

Re:23$ an hour is HUGE (0, Offtopic)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 11 years ago | (#6170002)

Off-Topic...

CS degree is one thing but what else have you done? To met a built up portfolio is way better than a degree can ever be because it lets potential job givers [re: employers] see the talent you have.

A degree is just a check mark on a HR checklist. To impress your would-be boss you need initiative and the ability to demonstrate.

Cheap plug:
check out http://libtomcrypt.org

I'm developing those two libraries in my spare time and it has caught the attention of quite a few people. I was awarded a stipend for a conference this year through a contact I made by writing those libraries. I'm not even in university and they awarded me a stipend!

Beat that.

Re:23$ an hour is HUGE (2, Informative)

BreadMan (178060) | more than 11 years ago | (#6170009)

Have you:

- Visited http://www.tc-p.com/careers/index.cfm
- Checked all the companies at http://www.pghgeeks.org/pghtech.html
- Checked with the folks you did your internship with, they may not be hiring, but may know somebody who is. If you didn't do computer work during the summer, getting a job will be a little harder.

And that's if you want to stay local. Good Luck!

Re:$3696 / 160 =~ $23/hr for one month (2, Insightful)

kinnell (607819) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169819)

that works out to about $23 dollars per hour. Somehow I think they're going to need to collect more bounty before developers would "fall all over themselves" for the task

$23 dollars per hour is a lot to someone who is currently unemployed, or doesn't have the time to work because they are studying. Given that there are a lot of people who do this kind of thing without any optimism about financial reward, this probably will get quite a good response.

Re:$3696 / 160 =~ $23/hr for one month (1)

m0RpHeus (122706) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169848)

I'm serious with what I'm about to say.

While you from think that that is too low for compensation, programmers from Asia, like those from India, Philippines, whatever, will find $23 an hour to be something that will make them filthy rich. I'm not kidding. As someone who lives in a third world country.

Re:$3696 / 160 =~ $23/hr for one month (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169863)

My rate are extremely reasonable, if not dirts cheaps. I've work with extremely large American corporation doing important programming job. I can do your job to. I am graduate of New Delhi University with I.T. degree. I currently reside in India. look forward to your email.

$3696 is a huge amount of money! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169715)

That prize amount is pretty big, considering that it is larger than the total profits from selling Amiga computers for the past 10 years.

$4000? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169719)

No offense, but this would pay for about 10 days of a junior developer's time.

Please, hold me back from coding it!

Are you people for real?

Re:$4000? (1)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169772)

No offense, but this would pay for about 10 days of a junior developer's time.

I don't think you can appreciate what a mammoth task it really is. Porting Gecko will be a major effort in itself.

If it really is so easy then why hasn't someone ported it already? The Amiga still has plenty of developers left, enough to code OS4 [amiga.com] .

Re:$4000? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169798)

>I don't think you can appreciate what a mammoth task it really is.

I think he does, hence the sarcasm. You understand sarcasm, right?

Re:$4000? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169828)

That wasn't his point. His point is that it isn't a lot of money, and you shouldn't expect much to be done with it if it is considered a fair salary.

Re:$4000? (5, Interesting)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169822)

No offense, but this would pay for about 10 days of a junior developer's time.

And much money do the guys porting Mozilla to other platforms receive?

This is open source. Of course, the amount of money isn't going to attract someone who is looking to do programming for commercial gain, but I don't see that anyone is claiming it is. $4000 is a lot more than the $0 that is up for offer by default on open source projects.

The idea is that if someone is perhaps tempted to port it (be it for fun, or whatever else drives people to write software for free), then the cash is a little extra incentive.

Re:$4000? (2, Insightful)

aliens (90441) | more than 11 years ago | (#6170029)

You're telling me that Junior Programmers are making $144,000/year? Man where are you working? Got openings?

Hmmm (0)

TheDredd (529506) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169735)

Sounds like a desperate try to get software/developer support for the Amiga platform

My Mail to Bill. (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169738)

I have contacted Bill already about this some weeks ago and suggested that it may be better to port either Webcore or GRE to Amiga. Here an excerpt of my email. I think it's quite illusionary requesting a port of Mozilla to Amiga specially now where the entire roadmap of Mozilla changes. Read on.

----

Hello,

I don't know if you are the person responsible for the

http://www.discreetfx.com/AmiZilla.html

I would like to contact you because I think there are better ways to help the Amiga getting a good Webbrowser. There was a german Article about this on www.amiga-news.de which I have read and replied to.

http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/comments/thread /A N-2003-05-00184-DE.html

Message 18 and 21. Sorry It's written in german Language so you may need to translate it using babelfish. I think you will understand it and the
contents of it.

But here a little summary.

I used to be a member of the Amiga community from 1984 - 1996 and left for Linux. I am following the Mozilla development process for various years now, contributed to it with bugreports and some minor patches, then went over to support the GALEON people.

My personal opinion is that porting Mozilla is a wrong way to go because of complexity and the required maintainership.

The mozilla approach was always criticised by many people of the open source community because of it's bloat. e.g. it's an entire development
plattform (basically a whole os and widgetset) that was also the reason why browser such as galeon, skipstone, epiphany or k-melon showed up,
they all used the embedded mozilla component and used their native window which fits pleasingly into the environment what many people simply wanted was a fast webbrowser which either fits into their desktop environment either GNOME or KDE.

Over the time the SAFARI people showed up and they have decided to take the KHTML component from KDE (supports DOM, CSS1 and CSS2, HTML4, JS,
SSL and so on), they ripped the library out of KDE, wrote a wrapper around it and called it webcore:

http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/webco re /

the kde people then got told about this after safari got released and the safari and kde people are now working on one unified component e.g.
2 teams are working on one library, they are now up to separate the backend from the engine so you can simply take the library and have it used on whatever plattform you like. The link above shows you an old version of the webcore, it's not the same as they are using now.

During the time Safarit was announced the Mozilla people got heavily pissed off and decided to change their entire roadmap because they
finally realized that XUL (their widgetset) and their way of doing things wasn't attractive to the public thus their new roadmap is to create a separate suite the email client and then the webclient (in the means of phoenix (firebird)). they are also working now to separate the
frontend from the backend and thus they work on the GRE component called Gecko Runtime Environment which offers alternative browser to use a
light library instead the requirement to install the whole mozilla stuff.

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/embedding/GRE.ht ml

------------------

The point is, that I think it would be better to work together with one of these two teams either the KHTML team or the GRE team and have these
libraries ported to the Amiga rather than porting the entire mozilla project. The problems with Mozilla port could be various. On the one hand is that you need to deal with the Maintainers of mozilla. A lot of individual people that you need to explain why you want to have Amiga support in it and then the various complex problems that may show up. I know from various developers who tried to port Mozilla to GTK2+ plattform that this caused an neverending flame wether they go Pango (for fontrendering, language and AA) or wether they use the postscript way of rendering stuff. Thus I tend to say that an Amiga port may cause problems too e.g. explaining the Maintainers why this is needed.

There is also the point where you can take the code and port Mozilla to native Amiga on it's own independant of what the Maintainers of mozilla say but belive me, Mozilla is a huge project around 4-5 times the size of the Linux kernel and it requires a lot of manpower and time getting a halfway working port. Then you need to deal with license issues and so on and then maybe 2 years later you realize that your port is outdated again and that you didn't cooperated with the Mozilla Maintainers and thus are outdated again.

It's not that easy.

The future way of Linux and it's 2 leading Desktops GNOME and KDE depends on either GRE or KHTML as the libraries itself. They are light libraries (around 1-2 MB only) and the benefits for the Amiga people would be immense.

a) you don't need to port a serious big project like Mozilla (with XUL and all it's issues)
b) you try to contact either the Mozilla GRE or KDE KHTML people and talk with them if it's possible to have Amiga support getting into these libraries (and native Amiga Widgetset for the rendering Window) c) the Amiga developers don't need to care for the rendering engine anymore because several teams work on the engine..

a) for Mozilla GRE it's the mozilla team that permanently enchances the rendering engine and fixes bugs because of bugzilla.mozilla.org

b) for KHTML it's the safari and kde people who fixes and maintains the code and fixes bugs in rendering.

d) another advantage would be that when it's a library that other amiga applications could benefit from it e.g. shared libraries that you can use in another application.
e) advantage would also be that you use native amiga widgets (gadgets and controls) rather than using XUL which makes the application look native, cool and fits smoothless into the environment.

This imo is the best way to go it's easier to have a 1-2 MB library either GRE or KHTML ported to Amiga and have it maintained and kept alive and up to date, rather than convincing the Mozilla developers and geht Mozilla as is ported to Amiga which is definately a timeconsuming and painful task which needs a lot of people. Galeon and Epiphany projects will switch to GRE as soon as possible which then has native GTK2+ widgets etc.

Ok that was a short summary of what I have written there in german language. I pretty much welcome your idea and the 2000 usd support from your own box but you should also know the other sides of the story and think about the lightweight components and the roads that Mozilla with its engine and KDE with KHTML engine have taken and if it would make more sense to go that way.

Re:My Mail to Bill. And my second reply to him. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169775)

Yeah and sorry for my bad english and bad explaination.

A last note. I was talking about GRE (Mozilla Gecko) and KHTML (Safari Koqnueror) libraries all the time.

These are full rendering components available as libraries. See it as an object. You write a native Amiga Window, add a toolbar, add a bookmarks system and there where you want to see the rendering stuff, you simply put the HTML rendering object inside. It's like putting a big pushbutton in the middle of the window (adding a gadget to your window). Mozilla don't remain the way it is now the entire 1.4 roadmap changes.

It was:

Mozilla (email, chat, web)

It becomes:

Gecko Runtime Engine
-
|
|-> Firebird
|-> Galeon
|-> K-Meleon (dunno if the stick to it)
|-> Other app if wanted
|-> AmigaOS Browser (MorphOS Browser)

It was:

Konqueror (Web)

It becomes:

the Core
-
|
|-> Konqueror
|-> Safari
|-> Other app if wanted
|-> AmigaOS Browser (MorphOS Browser)

You see you don't need to care for either GRE or KHTML anymore, their developers (usually big teams) keep the rendering engine up to date, keep them fast, keep them cool. And the Amiga, Safari etc. teams add their little backends to it (e.g. wrapper for widgetsets, OS filecalls etc). Even if you can't get your own widgets or filesystem calls inside it, then you still can grab always the ewest core from releases or CVS and have your little changes done externally knowing that you always be able to update from CVS.

1-2 mb of short library including everything ready to render if embedded in your window) compared to 30-40 mb of Mozilla hard to maintain and hard to share functionality amongst other apps. No reinventing of wheels over and over again because the components are all written already. I would tend to say that 1/2 of Mozilla as is now is code for plattform independency (such as own widgetset, own lowerlevel functioncalls etc.) 1/4 is the Widgetsets and Library interfaces for various OS's such as Windows, Mac, Linux and the remaining 1/4 is what really matters. And this 1/4 is being split out of it in a separate library called GRE. (Well I lied with 1/4 here it's probably a bit more but to give you a clue).

Of course porting a big project like Mozilla may attract customers and have them come back to AmigaOS (MorphOS).

Ok I hope I was informative and I hope you understand the translations of the replies I gave to www.amiga-news.de.

Re:My Mail to Bill. (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169957)

There is no such thing as the GRE at the build level anyway, since you must build the entire Mozilla first before running the script that cherry picks the subset of files that represent the GRE. If Mozilla doesn't build, you have no GRE.


So it is better to just forget about there being a GRE at all to begin with. Just port Mozilla and the GRE will fall out of it, but the reverse is not true.

Re:My Mail to Bill. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6170001)

Well I'm not entirely sure if you are right here. From what I was told is that the GRE is a radical stripped down version of what Mozilla initially was. I am not refering to the embedded component that you get when compiling and installing Mozilla. I was more refering to GRE itself. What sense would GRE make if it's not a radical reduced light interface for 3rd party applications. But ok in case you are right then there is always the chance to use Webcore (KHTML).

Can you prove me wrong by pointing me to a link where I can read more about GRE not being a light component as it's carried around mouth my mouth from person to person over the past months, weeks. I would be happy to get informations.

Somewhere in India (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169754)

Programmer/team must be falling over themselves saying "That's a lot of loot! But what is Amiga?". Since they're getting all our work anyways, let them do it.

CEOs who can't spell "donor" must be retarded.

Simple. (2, Funny)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169761)

1. Make an x86 emulator.
2. Boot Windows....er... linux.
3. Install Moz.

Profit.

Heck I'd pay 3639$ to see Moz ported to my Gameboy Color [the Z80 one] that in itself would be a feat!

Tom

Re:Simple. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169801)

Mozzila already works under Linux PPC, on APUS
(AmigaPowerUpSystems), Pegasos or AmigaONE machines.
The problem it to have an AmigaOS/Compatible
port.

Alkis Tsapanidis
dial@otenet.gr

Re:Simple. (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169811)

I had a PC emulator for my Amiga 500. It clocked at a breathtaking 0.1 Mhz!


You could literally type something on the command prompt and wait a minute for the characters to agonizingly appear one at a time on the screen. Other than its excrutiating speed it was useful for transferring files and whatnot but it fast it was not.

Firebird is enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169763)

Yes a Firebird port would also qualify for the money...

That sounds wayyy more feasible.

thought it might be a interesting project... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169782)

and then fell to the floor laughing uncontrolable because i found what i was looking for (its in the FAQ):

Q: What will be the requirements and the minimum spec for the Amiga version.

A: Well that will depend a lot on the programming team that tackles the port and their skillset but the spec I would like to see is Amiga OS 3.9 and above and/or WinUAE/Amiga Forever/Amithlon/AROS/MorphOS. 68030+ CPU, faster the better, 24 bit Graphics card, 32MB of RAM. I would also like the coders to try hard to make it work with AGA.

get it ! get it ! they are talking about the original amiga series, not the new one with the 600mhz PPC !
mozilla isnt even running lag free on my dual P3 with 512mb ram omg omg this is so over the top :DD

Re:thought it might be a interesting project... (0)

TheDredd (529506) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169975)

68030+ CPU, faster the better, 24 bit Graphics card, 32MB of RAM

how much memory does mozilla use these days anyway??

trying to get Mozilla to run on those specs looks impossible

Booty?! (2, Funny)

lawpoop (604919) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169785)

You mean, I can finally get *gulp* booty for programming?!

Re:Booty?! (1)

trikberg (621893) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169853)

booÂty 1
n. pl. booÂties

1. Plunder taken from an enemy in time of war.
2. Goods or property seized by force or piracy.
3. A valuable prize, award, or gain.

Re:Booty?! (0, Offtopic)

akpcep (659230) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169899)

4. Ass

Re:Booty?! (-1, Offtopic)

trikberg (621893) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169928)

> 4. Ass Actually, no. The meaning is not directly derived from the others nor a common parent therefore it is: booÂty 2 n. pl. booÂties, also booÂdies Slang The buttocks. Vulgar Slang 1. The vulva or vagina. 2. Sexual intercourse. This message brought to you by Nitpickers Inc.

Aaargh, messed up the formatting (-1, Offtopic)

trikberg (621893) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169963)

Note to self: always use preview.

> 4. Ass

Actually, no. The meaning is not directly derived from the others nor a common parent therefore it is:

booÂty 2
n. pl. booÂties, also booÂdies

Slang
The buttocks.
Vulgar Slang
1. The vulva or vagina.
2. Sexual intercourse.

This message brought to you by Nitpickers Inc.

Re:Aaargh, messed up the formatting (0, Offtopic)

akpcep (659230) | more than 11 years ago | (#6170049)

Thanks for that. I feel so stupid!
I shall now decapitate myself with a hover mower.
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRSCHLIP!

Re:Booty?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169958)

...

No.

scary stuff (2, Funny)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169787)

Working very hard on the soon to be released AmiZilla Mascot, she is very sexy

I'm almost temped to donate 10K to see just what sort of wild bender someone who finds a green lizard sexy would actually go on.

Re:scary stuff (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169816)

http://www.discreetfx.com/AmiZilla.html

That's a pretty cute lizard. As much as the Amiga completely sucks shit, Eric Schwartz (famed amiga guy) puts out some awesome toons.

Take the money and run! (5, Funny)

WwWonka (545303) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169789)

$3676? Hmmm....

$40 to build a shocking Xbox controller.
$100 to buy a Dremel Powertool to explode Steve Miller Cds to infinity
$300 emergeny room visit to have a RN look at your electrical burns on your hands and to pull CD shards out of your ass.
$3236 To start litigation against /. for insipring your creative genius to aforementioned experiments.

Arguments... (2, Insightful)

Psiren (6145) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169802)

No doubt this will end in the usual arguments about who did what and when. It always does when money is involved. Humans are just too greedy.

Re:Arguments... (1)

irc.goatse.cx troll (593289) | more than 11 years ago | (#6170004)

I agree, and think thats one of the things GAIM did correctly. From their faq:

Does AOL's attempts at blocking Trillian affect Gaim?

No.

Is Gaim affected by the vulnerability found in Windows AIM or Yahoo Instant Messenger clients?

No.

Can I IM you guys?

Sure! Look at the Contact Information page!

Can I give you money/hardware/other expensive things that can be hocked for cash what with you all being students/full-time-workers and helping to produce this wonderful software instead of studying/sleeping?

No. We're completely fool-hardy and won't accept any gratuities with no strings attached for just being good guys. That and we'd have to share with everyone who has submitted patches. ;-)

And as some other project(can't think of the name off hand) put it, If you'd like to help out, submit patches/artwork/docs/translations/etc.

Teens need cash. Machines cost cash. (1)

Zapdos (70654) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169813)

This is more then the average kid makes all year. The 12-16 year old computer literate kids will be all over this. That is if they had a machine to work on. Hope that machine cost considerable less than 4K$

Re:Teens need cash. Machines cost cash. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169880)

you could give some homeless peep 20$ to look for one in the local trash containers.

it's just like monopoly (2, Funny)

lastfuture (595105) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169842)

first place:
> Port Mozilla,Collect $3696

second place:
go directly to /dev/null
do not pass go
do not collect $3696

The easier route (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169874)

I would guess the most straightforward way of porting to the Amiga would be via some X11 port on that platform and reuse most of the X11/GTK widgets. Treat the Amiga as a weird Unix variant, use gcc, gmake and as many GNU tools as are required to make things easy on yourself.


You still have the NSPR and Makefile system, and some assembly used by XPCOM to contend with, but the length task of writing widgets and gfx classes from scratch would go away.

Re:The easier route (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169969)

Not as weird as you think, Amiga is one of the original unix based operating systems with multitasking and cooperative memory protection

even converting mozilla to use no gtk widgets without X11 would be better as the Intuition graphics library is quicker and lighter, and anyway it's been done quickly and easily with other mozilla ports like firebird and camino and galion

In Other News ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169876)

In other news two bald men were seen fighting over a comb.

What a waste of time! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169889)

Geez, won't the Amiga EVER go away? What a waste of talent.

Advice for the students who got busted by the RIAA (1)

Unominous Coward (651680) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169902)

...get coding, jailboy!

In 2 years... (1)

jkrise (535370) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169918)

Port Mozilla to Linux (Linux without SCOde) --> Show code to SCO --> Collect $1,000,000. SCO sues Mozilla, collects $1,000,000,000 from AOL!

Enjoy.

A way out (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169920)

This is the perfect opportunity for a talented amiga developer to find his way out of the amiga trap. The lucky winner will have enough money to buy a real computer, and then some.

Re:A way out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6169946)

Ehh, what you call "a real computer" is probably
much cheaper than ANY Amiga...
I personally use AmigaOS and compatible OSes
cause I like them, not for any religious or financial reason.
MorphOS on PegasosPPC does the job.

Alkis Tsapanidis

Sponsors (1)

richie2000 (159732) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169945)

One of the sponsors in their list gave 5 bucks and a link back to his site; www.sendmeapound.com [sendmeapound.com] . Go check out his Pound-O-Meter. I love an optimist, but not enough to give him money. :-)

Port Firebird/Phoenix to Classic Mac (3, Interesting)

jetsetscoot (578227) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169961)

Or make even more people happy - somebody please port Firebird/Phoenix to Mac OS9. There are a ton of us who have not made the jump to OS X, and I for one have gotten to really like Phoenix on my work pc. The last Mozilla port to the old mac is 1.2.1 from last December. I feel abandoned.

-Jetset

-I can't hear the forest now for all the falling trees

That title made me think of Slashdot Monopoly... (1)

Dutchmaan (442553) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169986)

What a cool version of the game that would make, eh?

Righto (4, Interesting)

zakezuke (229119) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169991)

It's good to see someone interested in mozilla for Amiga, something that could be considered to be a standard up to date web browser.

I honestly don't know what I used on the amiga in ages past, I just remember I made the mistake of accepting some 2.x roms and could no longer do that software load of 3.x [exact version number I can not remember presently]

From what I remember, even if you had AGA or 3rd party 24 bit graphics, in my case it was a retna (sp) card, your web browsing experence was pretty limited due to the fact that the stock amiga graphics were at best 16/32/64 colors. I don't honestly remember the details, it's not like you couldn't get 4096 colors, just apparently not for things like gif or jpeg files.

Which brings another point all together, pre 68030 based machines are not really the best at web browsing unless you have a math-co. Gifs are not so bad, jpegs however are pretty slugish. This is not to say that modern amiga users don't have accelerators... this is to say such a product would only be useful to those people.

Perhaps someone wiser then I could remember the particulars, I really couldn't be bothered being nickle and dimed on my amiga, so I just went with lynx and got frustrated and went to the PC.

So issues I see with this project

1. Would browsing in 8bit color or above graphics require a specific rom set?

2. How ever are you going to find a math-co for jpeg decoding.

This is actually comming from a person who was and still is to an extent a big amiga fan. Part of the reason I had to abandon it was the simple fact that even web browsers that were made for the amiga required money from me to display properly.

Re:Righto (4, Insightful)

AMiGR (628789) | more than 11 years ago | (#6170064)

Actually that is a long forgotten past, nowadays,
most users have PPC accelerators, REAL graphic cards (even if they are old, like the Voodoo3),
>64Mbs of RAM or even better, a new PowerPC
motherboard like the Pegasos (running MorphOS,
if you want AmigaOS compatability), with modern
hardware like the Radeon series, etc.

I'm sure that.. (3, Funny)

mikecheng (3359) | more than 11 years ago | (#6169995)

both amiga programmers will be fighting hard to get the cash.

I used to use the GCC tools on the amiga (ADE - or whatever it turned into). But then that slowly went stagnant - and it was 10x faster to cross-compile stuff on the FreeBSD/Pentium166 than to wait for the A3000/'030.

When Amiga/PPC hardware started appearing, I was keen to do some portage of unix-ish type stuff - except the PPC dev toolchain was so woeful it made me want to cry.

sigh.
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