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GameCube ISOs Released?

Hemos posted more than 10 years ago | from the still-no-confirmation dept.

GameCube (Games) 546

Mister.de writes "An online piracy group called "StarCube" has made ISO's of games like The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker available for download on the net. They are not publicly available to everyone, but are said to be hosted on private warez FTP sites. As of yet (6/14/2003) there is no way to actually play the games after burning to a mini-disc, but reliable sources say that there will be a hack for the GameCube released soon so that these illegal copies can be played. Also rumors do have it that the copied games can be played on the Panasonic GameCube, but that is unconfirmed. " The story came from Console-Gods originally.

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poopoo (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6211083)

a poopoo in the potty, a poopoo in the potty!

Vote out the warmongerers Bush and Blair! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6211444)

Vote out the liars who have innocent blood on their hands!

It is now apparent that the weapons of mass destruction had been destroyed well before the war, but America and UK refused to listen. No, GWB just had to have his little war and Blair was good enough a poodle to follow his master.

There never was any justification for this war and now it's hilarious how the warmongers are backpedaling frantically to cover up their lies and exaggerations. "Oh, the real reasons for the war were really not the WMDs, regime change, terrorists or oil. See? We have shown you mass graves! Yes! We liberated the Iraq because of the mass graves!".

Well, why didn't you say so in the first place!? --

"A BRITISH inquiry into two trailers found in northern Iraq has found they are not mobile germ warfare labs [news.com.au] , but were for the production of hydrogen to fill artillery balloons, the Observer newspaper has reported.

The London-based weekly newspaper said the conclusion by biological weapons experts was an embarrassment for Prime Minister Tony Blair, who has claimed the discovery of the labs proved that Iraq retained weapons of mass destruction and justified the case for going to war against Saddam Hussein."

--

First post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6211086)

FrOst piSt! Suckee it down, fuXors. Marvel at my HaxOr SkillZ!

it's a good thing it was posted.... (5, Funny)

hatrisc (555862) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211087)

on slashdot, because the feds will see it and immediatedly shut it down. way to ruin our fun /.!

Re:it's a good thing it was posted.... (5, Funny)

Trespass (225077) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211144)

Don't worry, the color scheme will blind them. We can escape in the confusion.

Re:it's a good thing it was posted.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6211248)

hahaha. that's all i can say to this. and what moderator called this offtopic?

Re:it's a good thing it was posted.... (-1, Offtopic)

Trespass (225077) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211395)

I don't know. You know, for about a month I tried not to be a troll. Then I realized the folly of my ways. Now I'll start posting porn links and Scientology texts.

Thank you, /. mods for making me realize there's more to life than your cat-turd filled little sandbox.

Where are the links??? (4, Funny)

jkrise (535370) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211089)

Atleast you could've included some rumored links? Or sites rumored to contain links rumored to contain the warez? After all, this is Slashdot!!

Re:Where are the links??? (5, Informative)

Chris_Jefferson (581445) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211196)

Not going to tell you where to get these ISOs, other than they are floating around the usual warez spots, particularily on IRC.

However you can see what has been ripped so far at:

http://www.nforce.nl/nfos/index.php?do=1&s=20

Re:Where are the links??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6211397)

i saw the "isos" last night on a site, which will remain unnamed, but i dont think this will really pan out as well as the DC did. this is either a scam or it involves much physical hacking of the GC.

Hard to do (4, Informative)

Bagels (676159) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211090)

Getting an ISO wouldn't be impossible - the real problem is that you have to rig your 'Cube to read it, as GCN discs spin *backwards*. To play a burned disc, you'd have to either heavily modify your computer or your 'Cube, and in the end it would be cheaper to just buy the game rather than pirate it.

Re:Hard to do (4, Interesting)

James_Duncan8181 (588316) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211110)

I am not entirely sure that the spins backwards thing is true (as that would mean that the normal GC discs wouldn't play on the Panasonic model) but assuming that it is, why not just make a program that modifies the ISO before burning?

Surely this is the simpler method...

Re:Hard to do (1)

Westley (99238) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211145)

I don't think you understand. It's not that the ISO has the bits backwards, it's that the "groove" is backwards - clockwise instead of anti-clockwise, or vice versa.

I don't know how the Q works - perhaps its drive can spin in both directions?

Re:Hard to do (1)

Westley (99238) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211182)

Having read the other posts, I'm now confused myself. However, I'm pretty sure it's *not* just a case of taking a normal ISO and reversing the order of the bits...

Re:Hard to do (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6211300)

I'm now confused myself.

Yup. It's the color scheme.

Re:Hard to do (1)

Bagels (676159) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211159)

That's only half the problem. Even if you could make the discs read backwards, you'd have to make the GameCube fit standard DVD size discs, and I'm not entirely sure that the data on the Game Discs is stored with the same density as a normal DVD. Again, for either problem, it's literally more trouble than it's worth, because you will almost certainly wreck your GameCube for playing non-pirated games.

Re:Hard to do (5, Informative)

womprat (154589) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211180)

I'm pretty sure they don't spin backwards. I even went and popped open the lid while the system was reading. I'm not sure why this rumor keeps popping up though. I've heard it so many times.

Whatever protection they have on there is damn good since (barring this story) I haven't heard of anyone successfully reading a disc.

Re:Hard to do (5, Interesting)

Chris_Jefferson (581445) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211150)

There have already been multiple people who have made unoffical discs, like Datel's action replay and freeloader (disc for allowing the playing of games from a different region) so clearly it isn't too hard (or they don't really spin backwards)

Re:Hard to do (1)

ymgve (457563) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211346)

It's not hard to do if you've got the money to rent a DVD-pressing factory. :)

Re:Hard to do (5, Informative)

Mr_Silver (213637) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211161)

Getting an ISO wouldn't be impossible - the real problem is that you have to rig your 'Cube to read it, as GCN discs spin *backwards*.

Not quite. Rather than writing data to the discs normally from the inside to the outside of the disc, Nintendo does it vice-versa and write the data to the disks from the outside in. Therefore the data is written to (and read from) the disk backwards. But the disk itself spins the normal way around.

To play a burned disc, you'd have to either heavily modify your computer or your 'Cube, and in the end it would be cheaper to just buy the game rather than pirate it.

I'm no expert on chipping, but I would assume that you'd just need to chip your GC and then write the games ISO out differently than you would normally (specialised software?). But even if this thing cost £200, you'd still be saving money after your 5th game.

Re:Hard to do (2, Insightful)

JonoPlop (626887) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211265)

Not quite. Rather than writing data to the discs normally from the inside to the outside of the disc, Nintendo does it vice-versa and write the data to the disks from the outside in. Therefore the data is written to (and read from) the disk backwards. But the disk itself spins the normal way around.
Is this true? If so, I'm thinking it's a good idea with today's optical drives; If I'm not mistaken, the RPM is constant (well, pretty much) in modern drives. Does this mean that by writing the data that is read first to the outside, it will load quicker as the outer rim has a larger linear velocity? This would make game start-up times quicker, no? (in addition to funky piracy protection)

Re:Hard to do (3, Informative)

abiogenesis (124320) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211348)


Dreamcast drives are CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) and have a hard time reading the inner tracks. That's why when you backup a game, you should use specialized software like DiscJuggler that can calculate where to start writing so that the data ends at the outer edge of the CD. I believe it then fills the inner tracks with dummy bytes.

Re:Hard to do (1, Funny)

hrieke (126185) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211284)

But even if this thing cost £200, you'd still be saving money after your 5th game.

That is, until you get busted for wazes and have to pay a £20,000 fine.

Re:Hard to do (1)

Mr_Silver (213637) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211317)

That is, until you get busted for wazes and have to pay a £20,000 fine.

I don't know about outside of the US, but in the UK they're mostly concerned with people distributing pirated games rather than those who have a chipped console and a bunch of copied games.

Re:Hard to do (1)

hrieke (126185) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211368)

Certainly the US feels the same way; go after the distributors and not the 'users', but if a person is big enough to draw the attention of the 'powers that be', then you could face action (and while not a citizen of the UK, I'm sure that the legal system there works in the same fashion: make an example of this bloke as a warning to the rest of scene).

News? (5, Funny)

richie2000 (159732) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211099)

So, there's an unconfirmed story that there may be illegal ISOs floating around that may or may not actually be playable at some time in the future. Or possibly already is, on some hardware. Maybe. Riiight.

Cmdr Taco, the NY Times has hacked your site!

Seriously Slashdot (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6211100)

Why was this article posted? Is it supposed to rehash the discussion about Modchips? Or was it an FYI to let you know you may be able to pirate Gamecube games in the near future?

Warez announcements may not be the best idea for articles on a public web site with lots of traffic.

Let the scramble begin! (1)

geek4ever (525253) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211109)

Wow everyone! Now that we have working Game Cube games (that we can't really access), we can begin the warez scramble! Woohoo! Looks like the pr0n will start flowing! (retched pop-ups)
Seriously though, I will be impressed when all of these next generation consoles can be correctly emulated.

Back-ups, people. (-1)

Seth Finklestein (582901) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211111)

I plan to download the ISOs for all games that I own or plan to own in the next few months. The reason for this is simple: as the owner of the games, I am entitled to a back-up copy in case the original is broken. Of course, most of you know me as a famous cybersecurity activist, but I'm also a father of two young boys. Young boys, as I'm sure you all know, love to place objects in their mouth, and my little scamps are no exception. I suspect that their adorable little mouths have cost me hundreds of dollars in replacement game-soft cartridges and disks.

In conclusion, this is a good thing, and it falls completely under the doctrine of Fair Use. If they are ever sued, I will take the case personally, pro bona.

Re:Back-ups, people. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6211158)

I think the term is actually "pro boner"

Done before on Dreamcast (5, Interesting)

Chris_Jefferson (581445) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211115)

Opinion on IRC seems to be this was done in the same way as the Dreamcast, ie someone produces some method of getting code onto the gamecube which reads the disk and sends it out. Getting code onto the gamecube without Nintendo's permission has been previously shown to be possible by a number of cheat and "region avoiding" cheats. Therefore this part isn't too hard and to be honest it was only a matter of time. The much more serious problem is getting a disc of reasonable size that a gamecube can read to burn the games onto. Obviously it can be done but perhaps only on a large scale. I wouldn't hold my breath to the point where we are all burning gamecube games to be honest. Of course, in 4 or 5 years we'll all be playing gamecube emulators and then these rips will be in hard demand! Start hoarding now! :)

Hmmm... (1)

morbuz (592480) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211122)

So ISOs of gamecube games may have been released, they cannot be played yet, but may be playable on the Panasonic gamecube...

Is this supposed to be news?

Re:Hmmm... (1)

PeekabooCaribou (544905) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211132)

"News for Nerds. Stuff that matters." Lest ye forget.

Re:Hmmm... (0, Funny)

the uNF cola (657200) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211154)

So... where's the news? Where's the stuff? Or is this some sorta vaporware news? :)

Is this like venture capital?

Re:Hmmm... (2, Interesting)

muffen (321442) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211225)

Dude, seriously, you're wondering how to get these?

So far, rumor has it :) that you can find it of IRC, DirectConnect, Kazaa (even though most is crap and not the real thing) and private warez sites.

I haven't downloaded this myself, as I couldn't really care less, but I don't really agree with piracy on the GC.

I like the Nintendo games, and Nintendo is one of the gaming companies I would not like to see die. Seriously, who doesn't remember the original SMB?
Just thinking about ice climber, SMB, Zelda, Metroid, not to mention super bomber man on the SNES, makes me remember how good games used to be in regards to gameplay.

Coming to think about it, Nintendo owes me a lot of mis-spent time :)

Anyways, guess I should stop typing now :)

In Related News: (2, Funny)

SEWilco (27983) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211262)

  • There may be weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
  • There may be more mass graves in Iraq.
  • There may be peace talks and bombings in Israel.
  • There may be a different number of hurricanes this year than last year.
  • There may be more or less melting of polar ice this year than last year.
  • There may be a significant impact on Earth by a celestial body sometime soon.
  • A fortune teller may make a prediction.

"news" for nerds (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6211126)

umm, so allegedly there may be a gamecube warez site, but you have to be l33t to access it (did the slashdot editors confirm that?), and there may be a way to play them in the future.

I'd hate to see what stories got rejected!

Remember (5, Informative)

shaklee (631847) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211129)

The same thing happened to xbox, the games were ripped for a while and then finally the modchips were made. Look where the xbox is now.

Re:Remember (3, Informative)

Oakey (311319) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211308)

Erm, correct me if I'm wrong, but PC's won't read X-Box games. I thought the only way to rip X-Box games was with a mod-chip, and then ftp into yout X-Box and copy the files over?

Re:Remember (1)

shaklee (631847) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211357)

I didn't say pcs would read them. BUT, the games were definitely ripped prior to anything like modchips came out. The tested them on developer xboxes as noted here [nforce.nl] at the bottom.

As Long as I can play them on my XBOX. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6211130)

Give those games some real power, not some gay little cube.

emulator? (2, Interesting)

gTsiros (205624) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211138)

Isn't it funny that there is still no emulator for the gamecube? I mean, it must be the only console without an emulator (and ps2?)...

writting emulators has become increasingly difficult over the years.

Gameboy emulators are a breeze (mostly due to the rather generic hardware). NES/SNES more difficult. N64 is very challenging.

Has anyone heard of even plans for a GC emulator?
I'm itching to play Metroid:Prime @1024x768 :DD

Re:emulator? (5, Interesting)

Chris_Jefferson (581445) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211170)

There is no real N64 emulator (only high-level ones which don't really work on most games).

The Saturn has only just recently got emulators that work well enough to play the games and modern computers are (almost) fast enough to play them.

Screen shots of DC are getting quite far along but the emulator isn't released or anywhere near playable speed.

There is no PS2 or X-box emulator that does much beyond display a title screen or two (this is still a major accomplishment, but not really good enough to play games)

So to be honest the fact there is no GC emulator isn't that suprising :) Now that there are isos floating around and espically if people can put their own programs on the GC (which REALLY helps in emulating machines) then we may see them start. I'll be very suprised if you can play GC games on your PC within 3 year tho

Re:emulator? (4, Funny)

tuffy (10202) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211192)

Has anyone heard of even plans for a GC emulator?

Here's [francois.free.fr] a very preliminary one. Of course, any current console requires *much* faster PC hardware than is currently available in order to emulate it properly. Even the existing N64 emulators use lots of "accuracy optional" HLE hacks in order to achieve decent speed. I'm sure by the time Gamecube emulation becomes viable, acquiring hacked ISOs of the mini discs won't be necessary - and Nintendo won't care quite so much since most everyone will have moved on to far better consoles than are now available.

Re:emulator? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6211359)

That was either very subtly done or you don't realise yourself :)

Re:emulator? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6211423)

Holy god, you're not very quick on the uptake, are you, kid? That site is completely, utterly, and 100% a parody site. Perhaps you should read the hidden text at the bottom of the site, look at some of the "screenshots" on some of the supposed hardware that it runs on, then put two and two together.

Now I need to buy a GameCube (4, Funny)

rickthewizkid (536429) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211140)

...I only buy a system when I can get Zelda for it for less than retail. For some reason, the Funco's near where I live don't have any used copies yet.

Of course, I can see it now;

......UCF Presentz.......
...A Gamecube Release....
...Zelda: Wind Walker....
....For [ ]PC [ ] MAC....
....[ ]PS2 [ ]X [X]GC....

but then, I haven't been on the warez boards for a long, long time. Do they still use the FILE_ID.DIZ?

...Just my can't-logon-unless-you-have-a-14.4-modem's worth
RickTheWizKid

Re:Now I need to buy a GameCube (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6211169)

Yes, file_id.diz is still in use. Which is cool, 'cause I'm the guy who originated it. ;)

Re:Now I need to buy a GameCube (1)

binarytoaster (174681) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211402)

Hell, file_id.diz has been in almost every file I've downloaded since I started using PCs. I've never understood what .diz stood for though: is it "distro" or something?

Re:Now I need to buy a GameCube (1)

TimeZone (658837) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211379)

What, you haven't seen the commercials? You can get Zelda free w/ GC now...

TimeZone

Talk about productivity-based content! (3, Funny)

messiuh (206505) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211149)

I didn't know Slashdot was getting into the warez scene! Finally, S/ashd0t 1s l33t!

6/15/2004: AIDs has been cured with new mega-computer cluster kept cold in Bill Gates' refrigerator.

6/16/2004: New Lemmings ISO released by raz0r. Check it 0ut at is0z.slashdot.org!

Re:Talk about productivity-based content! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6211194)

Finally, S/ashd0t 1s l33t!

j00 4r3 n07 1337

Re:Talk about productivity-based content! (4, Funny)

kurosawdust (654754) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211275)

6/16/2004: New Lemmings ISO released by raz0r. Check it 0ut at is0z.slashdot.org!

I actually want to see that topic site come about. Not for want of pirated software, you understand, but rather I want to see if they can top this ungodly color scheme.

Nintendo does it again (5, Insightful)

stephenry (648792) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211164)

I loved Nintendo when i was a kid, and i still think they release some of the best games on the market. But when it comes to shooting themselves in the foot, they never learn.

They released the N64 as a cartridge based system to prevent piracy; but in doing so alienated their 3rd party developers and customers. Not only where the games far more expensive to produce, they could not support the wealth of Video and Music easily contained on a CD.

With the GameCube, they decided -again- not to go for the mainstream option and instead use small psuedo-DVD's -and for what? The only thing the have been successfull in achieving is eliminating any wavering interest in the gamecube as a competitor to the "home-entertainment style" PS2, whilst at the same time, retaining the piracy that they went to so much effort to prevent.

Steve

Sales show GC games sell more than on any system. (3, Informative)

Viewsonic (584922) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211279)

For games that are released on all three systems, sales figures have been showing that most of the sales are on the GameCube platform. It's hard to believe the PS2 with nearly 3 times the user base is selling LESS than the Cube, but it's true. Of course, this is false for sports games, as Cube owners tend to dislike sports for some reason. Take a look at some of the last years sales figures from Sega, Capcom, etc ..

Re:Nintendo does it again (1)

brucmack (572780) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211311)

There is a performance gain from the smaller format... they can spin faster, thereby reducing load times. I've definitely noticed a difference between the platforms in this area because of this.

Also, this time they have not really alienated any developers, because they are still using the same kind of format, just in a smaller size. Of course it means you can't play DVDs in it, but if Nintendo wanted to, they could presumably release an add-on to go on the bottom that would do this.

As for piracy, that remains to be seen. Presumably less people can burn the little discs than regular sized ones.

Re:Nintendo does it again (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6211440)

The N64 failed to attract 3rd-party developers because

1) the development tools were only available on hella-expensive SGI machines

2)Cartridges cost much more than CDs to produce. Developers had a choice between producing for a cartridge that cost $25 (or more, depending on the size of your game) and could be sold at $50 or a CD that cost .50 and could be sold at $50.

Loading time for the CD-based consoles, especially the Playstation was/is pathetic. That's an indignity that game players had to suffer so that games could be produced cheaply. Nintendo found that compromise unacceptable, and while it hurt them, it sure didn't kill them.

The Gamecube development system is supposedly more reasonably priced, and Nintendo is working more actively with developers (there was a lot of diplomacy involved in getting Square back on board). MiniDVDs are not significantly more expensive than regular DVDs, so the enormous cost differential that kept developers off the N64 is simply not there.

The only disadvantages to the miniDVD format are
1)Developers can't pack a lot of extra features into the disc

2)Easy to lose/break.

The gamecube is a great system, "mainstream" or not. You'll find that it has a ton of good games, which should be more important to a gamer than "market positioning".

Blanks? (5, Informative)

Bowdie (11884) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211172)

www.hobbymagic.com [hobbymagic.com]

3" Mini DVD-R, 1.5GB/25min
Write-once format DVD, For Data / Audio / Video use, Full compatibility with all writers and players w/ 650nm laser, High capacity and data transfer rate, portable and easy to transport, Long-term data archiving, compatible with Nintendo Game Cube, Playstation 2, Xbox. Price start from $8.00/pc.

Re:Blanks? (2, Funny)

cybermace5 (446439) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211386)

Maybe another approach: clamp a stack of regular DVD blanks together on a length of all-thread, place in an engine lathe, and spin down to mini-DVD size.

Of course I don't know if any special configuration of the media is required on the outer edge of the disc.

Re:Blanks? (1, Informative)

jbfaninmo (540470) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211404)

The Gamecube media isn't mini-DVD, its a format known as GameCube Optical Disc(GOD :) ) and was developed by the hard to spell parent company of Panasonic..

To play pirated games you'd have to find some way get the GameCube read an alien format, and spin the disc the otherway. The Gamecube normally spins its disc backwards.

I think it would just be easier to buy the game...

Shocking News, This Just In!! (2, Funny)

wfberg (24378) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211179)

Proprietary Copy Protection System Announced "Broken" By Nefarious Hackers!

Film At 11.

This could go several directions... (3, Insightful)

emo boy (586277) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211181)

On one hand this could help make the GameCube more popular, which it is bound to do if mod chips and ripped games are released, then this could mean more games available and better games available due to the increased interest.

On the other hand this could kill sales of the GameCube because of the piracy and the already small library of decent games for the system. I for one hope the first is true because I think the system has amazing potential.

Change of pace (5, Insightful)

Mikey-San (582838) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211185)

I usually don't bitch about what the Slashdot editors run, be it duplicate stories or typos--we're all human, we all make mistakes.

But I have to wonder what the hell was going through Hemos's mind when he decided to post this story. It seems like he posted a story about illegal copies of an unreleased game.

What was the point? Are you trying to get Slashdot shut down? Piss off the readers? Game developers? It's stuff like this that makes all computer geeks look like skeezy software pirates, and it's on the front page, no less. This stuff makes everyone here look like hypocrites and asshats when we preach about fair use and how the content publishers and distributors should treat us as their customers.

So this story didn't link to an illegal ISO. It didn't give a BitTorrent link. But with no real reason why it should have been posted--this stuff happens /all the time/ in the console world these days--coupled with the write-up that got posted, it seems like a 1337 plug for the ISOs.

If we /act/ like pirates, the big content companies will /treat/ us like pirates.

Or did I miss something at 9:00 in the morning?

Re:Change of pace (1)

Fammy2000 (612663) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211306)

Stuff like this happens all the time in the console world, but I do believe this is a first for the GameCube. The "unhackable" is hacked. So the news does have some merit to the /. crowd.

Re: discussion... free speach... (5, Insightful)

op51n (544058) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211331)

There is the question of whether it is worth discussing the issues you put forth, if they are the opinions you hold. What's wrong with that? /. isn't condoning it or condemning it in the article, just making people aware of this.

Not only is it an interesting topic of discussion, but for geeks, it is interesting to discuss and explore the possibilities of emulation - being able to create something that can not only play the games of a console, with completely different hardware, at a playable rate.

But as people have pointed out, it's not even really an issue at the moment given the computing power it would take to do so with this gen of consoles. So we have the questions of modifiying the consoles themselves, also interesting.

It's not wrong to make people aware of the changes in technology and what people are capable of doing. If you are worried about the illegality of the act itself, don't partake of it, but you can't preach that we don't mention it somewhere where the majority of readers would find it at least interesting to hear.

Re:Change of pace (1)

Frozen-Solid (569348) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211392)

OMG I R SO 1337 CUZ I CAN DOWNLAODS A GAMECUB ISOZ! But seriously, you're right Mikey. If /. is the premier "geek news" site, people see this as what geeks are interested in and like. Geeks are not pirates, the only pirates are 12 year old pansies who are too stupid to get a real job to pay for their pastime. I've seen this on several GameCube sites, and NONE of the ones who reported it are even close to considered decent sites.

Must be a slow typist... (2, Funny)

peterprior (319967) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211193)

"As of yet (6/14/2003) there is no way to.."

I wonder why that post was written 2 days ago... hmmm

Is this real? (1)

The Real Chrisjc (576622) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211202)

It could be just a rumour, like so many have followed before. Its very easy to make a fake iso. If someone could get a copy of the iso, then maybe read the filesystem, it could be interesting. I think for running code on the gamecube, the memory slot is the best bet. I read somewhere that you can run code directly that way.

Way to make the case for Open Source, guys... (4, Insightful)

SwellJoe (100612) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211211)

I just sent a letter to the NY Times yesterday because they framed the argument about SCO in the same terms as SCO, saying that OSS developers "shun intellectual property". I asserted that we rely on intellectual property to defend our GPL rights just as much as the proprietary software market relies on proprietary software to defend their rights, and that OSS developers in general had no interest in shunning intellectual property.

Guess I was wrong about some OSS folks, huh? Mod chips and making your own games...that's cool and nerdy. Warez...that's doofus leet bullshit. I'm not interested in leet bullshit. Too bad I can't mod the original story.

Download link for the ISOs... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6211217)

Download the ISOs on this ftp site [66.24.232.99] . Hurry, it's on a roadrunner cable connection!

Re:Download link for the ISOs... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6211257)

If that one doesn't work, try This one [198.247.175.96] .

Re:Download link for the ISOs... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6211260)

MIRROR [plipp.net]

Who cares about those ISO ... (1)

Thanatiel (445743) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211222)

What I see if that if they can let "simple user" put bits in a GC's memory, that would mean Linux on GC.

A simple kernel bootstrap with a networked access to a file system would be enough.

Why is Slashdot posting warez sites? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6211241)



Oh, right, because Hemos is a 300 pound whale, beached in a land of video games.

Two of the luckiest people (right place, right time, no talent):

1. The bass player in Van Halen.
2. Hemos

Re:Why is Slashdot posting warez sites? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6211301)

The bass player in Van Halen sings the background vocals that some people credit with being a huge part of the signature Van Halen sound. What has Hemos done that's even remotely that valuable? Hey Hemos, you got any quality pr0n passwords you can post for us?

os X freezing up (2, Interesting)

eskimo232 (681800) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211246)

Well i don't want to play devils advocate and start this up again, but I admit that os X has frozen on me once....it's when I put in a gamecube disc, the cd-rom drive just kept spinning for like 10 minutes and i couldn't do anything, like forcequit or relaunch the finder, so...I had to reboot....ruining my months and months of hard work building up my uptime stat......it ended at 3 months and 8 days......:-( stupid friend who suggested i put it in........ (on a side note, windoze freezes to, so don't get all hyped up you microsoft brown-nosers. Even billy gates can't crack the gamecubes superdisc......I'm curious as to how this release group ripped the data, they must have some some connection between the gamecube and their pc, because i don't know of any normal dvd-roms that can read these things, does anyone else?

so /. is now Piracy Connect! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6211253)

Good grief! News isn't that hard to come by that /. is now distributing piracy news?

What are you thinking of?

Here's a marker-pen. Paint a target on your forehead.

You'll feel better when /.'s gone...

Thieves (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6211261)

Why the hell is slashdot posting articles about blatant theft? You people are such fucking losers.

Yeah...right...whatever. (5, Insightful)

Frozen-Solid (569348) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211269)

I find it funny how this article is on so many different sites, yet there is no proof of anything.

So what? Therea are a few cd dumps of the Wind Waker. The only way possible to get them on an actual system would be to totally replace the drive with one that doesnt just read Nintendo's pseudo-DVDs. It's just like those DVD players that ONLY read dvds, they dont have the physical capability of even reading anything but the GameCube Disc, no audio-cd, video dvd, nothing.

Someone said that GameCube piracy would be much like the Dreamcast, but they forgot that the Dreamcast has the built-in ability to read any kind of disc, the GameCube's laser can ONLY read Nintendo's custom DVD-like discs. So, without a GameCube SDK it's not possible.

Other people are comparing it to the Xbox, with ISOs being released and modchips later. There's an issue with this as well. Every other system has legit, somewhat legal reasons for using modchips: importing games from other regions. It just so happened that those modchips had an alternative "feature" of letting the system read burned discs as if they were real games. The Nintendo has the ability to play other regions built-in, just a little jumper change on the inside and you have a Japanese Cube, change it back and you have a US cube. There is no legal reason for a company to make modchips and therefore anyone mass producing them can be shutdown by Nintendo in a second.

Let's say for a second that these ISOs do exist, and that some moron figures out how to play them on the Cube. It will be more expensive to mod the system, burn the game (10 bucks for a normal sized blank DVD, not sure how much mini-dvds are or if they even exist yet), etc than it would be just to buy the damn thing.

Re:Yeah...right...whatever. (2, Interesting)

jbarket (530468) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211353)

Just to let you know, you can buy normal blank DVDs for around 1$/ea if you buy in bulk. And even if you buy just a couple, it's definately not 10$/ea. I've seen those mini-DVDs around for under 10$/ea. The purpose of the modchip or running unauthorized code would be game development. This is /. after all, open source is a pretty big thing here.

Re:Yeah...right...whatever. (1)

Frozen-Solid (569348) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211421)

I'm talking about walking into Best Buy and picking up a blank DVD. Sure you can get them cheap if you know where to look, but I'm talking mass-market here. As for your little "open-source" comment, this article is all about ISOs, not about the ability to run linux on my beloved Cube. The modchip comment was the smallest arguement I made, and you forget that NO ONE will see a modchip as an open source medium, especially not those that matter (aka NINTENDO).

Its a Microsoft job (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6211280)

We all know Microsloth uses piracy to their advantage. GameCube is the Xbox killer. MS does thing to kill GameCube. As MS used piracy to push winblows into all homes of the 2nd and 3rd world.

Re:Its a Microsoft job (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6211320)

How much does Bill Gates pays you to kiss his ass?
Just curious...

Prices... (2, Insightful)

Flabby Boohoo (606425) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211302)

I just saw at Sam's Club the GC with Starfox and a memory stick for $148, Target's GC deal is $150 with a mail-in coupon for 1 free game (Zelda was one of the games).

The gamecube is the cheapest system, games are reasonably priced, so what drives this? Is it the thrill of the hack?

What they probably did (3, Interesting)

msgmonkey (599753) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211323)

Was analyse the signals going to/from the GameCube and the read head/head motor control.

Once you have figured out how the raw bits are stored you can actually build your own controller to read off the information ready for transfer to CD/Hard disk/etc.

I suspect the problem they will have is getting a gamecube to read the data off some other medium. The GC is very integerated and you can't intercept the commands to the drive controller (eg read sector number xxxxx) because those signals are inside a chip and not tracks on the board.

You would have to build something that connected directly to the read head/head motor control pcb tracks and attempt to calculate where on the disc it wanted the bits to stream in from. It's not impossible but it is far from trival.

whOA! (-1, Flamebait)

SuperDuG (134989) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211393)

Dude ...

This is just like a story I heard the otherday.

My friends cousins dad who is a trade broker for some big company like ronald macdonalds or something like that, he was in japan and some guy on like the side of the street was real desperate for crack (I guess it's a big problem in Japan) and he offered him a playstation three. For real I swear it's true, though I can only tell the story not provide any real evidence to back my claim.

Come on! This is complete and utter bullshit. First off ... an ISO?!?! And what are you supposed to burn it to mini backwards playing DVD's??!!

Nintendo is the KING of hating all piracy, hence why n64 was still cartridge. They invest 10 times as much as the other players on the block on making it virtually impossible to pirate their games, let alone hack their systemsto play pirated games.

They did this on the software level along with the hardware and actual dynamics of the box itself.

Talk about a bogus story ...

Misconceptions (5, Informative)

jerkface (177812) | more than 10 years ago | (#6211453)

There are, and always have been, a massive amount of misconceptions on this topic, so I'll try to cover most of them in one post.

  1. Gamecube discs spin clockwise, just like almost every other drive. Try opening the lid while a game is being read so you can see for yourself.
  2. The small (8cm) physical size of the Gamecube discs has nothing to do with copy protection; Nintendo just liked small discs. 8cm discs are not new, and writable discs of this size are not hard to acquire. 8cm DVD-RAM discs are popular for digital recording applications, although that may be 100% irrelevant if the GCN's laser doesn't read that type of medium in the first place...
  3. The copying of Gamecube disc images is NOT done by just popping the disc in a computer's drive and reading it. If this is even feasible or practical, it is NOT how dumping is being done right now. Dumping is being done by tricking the only networked Gamecube game (PSO) into reading the disc's contents and sending it out over the network.
  4. This still leaves MANY mysteries as to the precise format of the disc:
    1. So far as I know, it's still not confirmed whether the tracks spiral differently on Gamecube discs
    2. It's not known how well the dumps reflect what's really on the disc at the low level - when the system reads the disc, it might be decrypting, as well, or ignoring other information that the BIOS will strictly require to ensure the disc is legit. IOW, perhaps the dumps are hopelessly different from the format a GCN disc needs to be in
  5. One of the important (and well-known) copyright mechanisms is a barcode-like section of the far innermost track of GCN discs (look closely at a game and you can see it - no, not that one, further to the inside). It is probably just not possible to replicate this on any writable DVD format.
And just to reinforce the point, since many people won't understand it - this DUMPING does NOT allow anyone to play pirated games. It is not even clear what steps are necessary to get to that point. It's rather impressive, really - the PSX, Dreamcast, PS2, and Xbox were all cracked by the time they'd been out this long, yet the Gamecube remains a mystery. A good thing, IMO.
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