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Mozilla 1.4RC2 Released

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the if-it-ain't-baroque dept.

Mozilla 508

levell writes "Mozilla 1.4RC2 has been released. It looks like the final version of 1.4 may be out soon. It looks good although there are some problems with java on old linux systems (discussed here). 1.4 will be a long lived branch that some distributors will base versions of their own software on (e.g. Netscape planned release, codenamed "buffy"). 1.4 will be the last version of Mozilla released as a suite, after that the switch to separate browser, e-mail etc. applications will take place."

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No more 4.7-like crashing? (-1, Flamebait)

SnowDeath (157414) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233077)

Hopefully, unlike RC1, I won't have to control-alt-delete to kill mozilla.exe in Windows a la Netscape 4.7x

Re:No more 4.7-like crashing? (2, Insightful)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233362)

At least a crash of Mozilla on Windows doen't require an entire system reboot like another Windows browser that will remain unamed.

Finally! (0, Flamebait)

Hiro Antagonist (310179) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233080)

I can finally run a web browser not tied to a piece-of-crap IMAP client and mediocre newsreader.

Re:Finally! (3, Interesting)

jridley (9305) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233106)

Ditto that. Also maybe the mail/newsreader apps will get attention if they're split out.

I wouldn't even call the newsreader "mediocre" - "barely adequate for a few uses" is more like it.

The email client is OK but it certainly needs attention.

Re:Finally! (1)

REBloomfield (550182) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233203)

This was the idea when Netscape originally released the source in 1998. Because so much of the code was proprietary, it came out with gaping chunks missing. It's just shame it was wedged straight back in again, and not put to one side as standalone products.

Re:Finally! (1)

UVABlows (183953) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233354)

I use the imap client and newsreader daily. What is wrong with them? What are the clients that you use that don't have these problems?

first post! (-1, Offtopic)

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Re:first post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6233099)

I'd say that's an offtopic...

No, Score -1: YOU FAIL IT!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6233111)

You're not a real troll if you can't even get the first post of a Slashdot article. I recommend you go home and down some Liquid Plummr.

Re:No, Score -1: YOU FAIL IT!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6233191)

How 'bout you down some semen, you fagsexual!?

YOU FAIL IT! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6233174)

According to intergalactic first post law, here is your failure Haiku: Waiting for news post Crap! Now you have to go shit YOU LIKEWISE FAIL IT!

Rob Malda? HOW COULD YOU? *sobs* (-1)

(TK2)Dessimat0r (669581) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233095)


Rob Malda is a 26-year old white male with a stocky build and a beard. His head is shaved. He responded to my ad to be interviewed for this article wearing only leather pants, leather boots and a leather vest. I could see that both of his nipples were pierced with large-gauge silver rings.

Questioner: I hope you won't be offended if I ask you to prove to me that you're a nullo. Just so that our readers will know that this isn't a fake.

Rob: Sure, no problem. (stands and unbuckles pants and drops them to his ankles, revealing a smooth, shaven crotch with only a thin scar to show where his genitals once were).

Q: Thank you. That's a remarkable sight.

(laughs and pulls pants back up). Most people think so.

Q: What made you decide to become a nullo?

(pauses). Well, it really wasn't entirely my decision.

Q: Excuse me?

The idea wasn't mine. It was my lover's idea.

Q: Please explain what you mean.

Okay, it's a long story. You have to understand my relationship with Michael before you'll know what happened.

Q: We have plenty of time. Please go on.

Both of us were into the leather lifestyle when we met through a personal ad. Michael's ad was very specific: he was looking for someone to completely dominate and modify to his pleasure. In other word, a slave.

The ad intrigued me. I had been in a number of B&D scenes and also some S&M, but I found them unsatisfying because they were all temporary. After the fun was over, everybody went on with life as usual.

I was looking for a complete life change. I wanted to meet someone who would be part of my life forever. Someone who would control me and change me at his whim.

Q: In other words, you're a true masochist.

Oh yes, no doubt about that. I've always been totally passive in my sexual relationships.

Anyway, we met and there was instant chemistry. Michael is a few years older than me and very good looking. Our personalities meshed totally. He's very dominant.

I went back to his place after drinks and had the best sex of my life. That's when I knew I was going to be with Michael for a long, long time.

Q: What sort of things did you two do?

It was very heavy right away. He restrained me and whipped me for quite awhile. He put clamps on my nipples and a ball gag in my mouth. And he hung a ball bag on my sack with some very heavy weights. That bag really bounced around when Michael fucked me from behind.

Q: Ouch.

(laughs) Yeah, no kidding. At first I didn't think I could take the pain, but Michael worked me through it and after awhile I was flying. I was sorry when it was over.

Michael enjoyed it as much as I did. Afterwards he talked about what kind of a commitment I'd have to make if I wanted to stay with him.

Q: What did he say exactly?

Well, besides agreeing to be his slave in every way, I'd have to be ready to be modified. To have my body modified.

Q: Did he explain what he meant by that?

Not specifically, but I got the general idea. I guessed that something like castration might be part of it.

Q: How did that make you feel?

(laughs) I think it would make any guy a little hesitant.

Q: But it didn't stop you from agreeing to Michael's terms?

No it didn't. I was totally hooked on this man. I knew that I was willing to pay any price to be with him.

Anyway, a few days later I moved in with Michael. He gave me the rules right away: I'd have to be naked at all times while we were indoors, except for a leather dog collar that I could never take off. I had to keep my head shaved. And I had to wear a butt plug except when I needed to take a shit or when we were having sex.

I had to sleep on the floor next to his bed. I ate all my food on the floor, too.

The next day he took me to a piercing parlor where he had my nipples done, and a Prince Albert put into the head of my cock.

Q: Heavy stuff.

Yeah, and it got heavier. He used me as a toilet, pissing in my mouth. I had to lick his asshole clean after he took a shit, too. It was all part of a process to break down any sense of individuality I had. After awhile, I wouldn't hesitate to do anything he asked.

Q: Did the sex get rougher?

Oh God, yeah. He started fisting me every time we had sex. But he really started concentrating on my cock and balls, working them over for hours at a time.

He put pins into the head of my cock and into my sack. He attached clothespins up and down my cock and around my sack. The pain was pretty bad. He had to gag me to keep me from screaming.

Q: When did the idea of nullification come up?

Well, it wasn't nullification at first. He started talking about how I needed to make a greater commitment to him, to do something to show that I was dedicated to him for life.

When I asked him what he meant, he said that he wanted to take my balls.

Q: How did you respond?

Not very well at first. I told him that I liked being a man and didn't want to become a eunuch. But he kept at me, and wore me down. He reminded me that I agreed to be modified according to his wishes, and this is what he wanted for me. Anything less would show that I wasn't really committed to the relationship. And besides, I was a total bottom and didn't really need my balls.

It took about a week before I agreed to be castrated. But I wasn't happy about it, believe me.

Q: How did he castrate you?

Michael had a friend who was into the eunuch scene. One night he came over with his bag of toys, and Michael told me that this was it. I was gonna lose my nuts then and there.

Q: Did you think of resisting?

I did for a minute, but deep down I knew there was no way. I just didn't want to lose Michael. I'd rather lose my balls.

Michael's friend restrained me on the living room floor while Michael videotaped us. He used an elastrator to put a band around my sack.

Q: That must have really hurt.

Hell yeah. It's liked getting kicked in the balls over and over again. I screamed for him to cut the band off, but he just kept on going, putting more bands on me. I had four bands around my sack when he finished.

I was rolling around on the floor screaming, while Michael just videotaped me. Eventually, my sack got numb and the pain subsided. I looked between my legs and could see my sack was a dark purple. I knew my balls were dying inside.

Michael and his friend left the room and turned out the light. I lay there for hours, crying because I was turning into a eunuch and there wasn't anything I could do about it.

Q: What happened then?

Eventually I fell asleep from exhaustion. Then the light switched on and I could see Michael's friend kneeling between my legs, touching my sack. I heard him tell Michael that my balls were dead.

Q: How did Michael react?

Very pleased. He bent down and felt around my sack. He said that it felt cold.

Michael's friend told me that I needed to keep the bands on. He said that eventually my balls and sack would dry up and fall off. I just nodded. What else could I do at that point?

Q: Did it happen just like Michael's friend said?

Yeah, a week or so later my package just fell off. Michael put it in a jar of alcohol to preserve it. It's on the table next to his bed.

Q: How did things go after that?

Michael was really loving to me. He kept saying how proud he was of me, how grateful that I had made the commitment to him. He even let me sleep in his bed.

Q: What about the sex?

We waited awhile after my castration, and then took it easy until I was completely healed. At first I was able to get hard, but as the weeks went by my erections began to disappear.

That pleased Michael. He liked fucking me and feeling my limp cock. It made his dominance over me even greater.

Q: When did he start talking about making you a nullo?

A couple of months after he took my nuts. Our sex had gotten to be just as rough as before the castration. He really got off on torturing my cock. Then he started saying stuff like, "Why do you even need this anymore?"

That freaked me out. I always thought that he might someday take my balls, but I never imagined that he'd go all the way. I told him that I wanted to keep my dick.

Q: How did he react to that?

At first he didn't say much. But he kept pushing. Michael said I would look so nice being smooth between my legs. He said my dick was small and never got hard anymore, so what was the point of having it.

But I still resisted. I wanted to keep my cock. I felt like I wouldn't be a man anymore without it.

Q: So how did he get you to agree?

He didn't. He took it against my will.

Q: How did that happen?

We were having sex in the basement, and I was tied up and bent over this wooden bench as he fucked me. Then I heard the doorbell ring. Michael answered it, and he brought this guy into the room.

At first I couldn't see anything because of the way I was tied. But then I felt these hands lift me up and put me on my back. And I could see it was Michael's friend, the guy who took my nuts.

Q: How did you react?

I started screaming and crying, but the guy just gagged me. The two of them dragged me to the other side of the room where they tied me spread eagled on the floor.

Michael's friend snaked a catheter up my dick, and gave me a shot to numb my crotch. I was grateful for that, at least. I remember how bad it hurt to lose my balls.

Q: What was Michael doing at this time?

He was kneeling next to me talking quietly. He said I'd be happy that they were doing this. That it would make our relationship better. That kind of calmed me down. I thought, "Well, maybe it won't be so bad."

Q: How long did the penectomy take?

It took awhile. Some of the penis is inside the body, so he had to dig inside to get all of it. There was a lot of stitching up and stuff. He put my cock in the same jar with my balls. You can even see the Prince Albert sticking out of the head.

Then they made me a new pisshole. It's between my asshole and where my sack used to be. So now I have to squat to piss.

Q: What has life been like since you were nullified?

After I got over the surgery and my anger, things got better. When I healed up, I began to like my smooth look. Michael brought friends over and they all admired it, saying how pretty I looked. It made me feel good that Michael was proud of me.

Q: Do you have any sexual feeling anymore?

Yes, my prostate still responds when Michael fucks me or uses the buttplug. And my nipples are quite sensitive. If Michael plays with them while fucking me, I have a kind of orgasm. It's hard to describe, but it's definitely an orgasm.

Sometimes Michael says he's gonna have my prostate and nipples removed, but he's just kidding around. He's happy with what he's done to me.

Q: So are you glad Michael had you nullified?

Well, I wouldn't say I'm glad. If I could, I'd like to have my cock and balls back. But I know that I'm a nullo forever. So I'm making the best of it.

Michael and I are very happy. I know that he'll take care of me and we'll be together always. I guess losing my manhood was worth it to make that happen for us.

Re:Rob Malda? HOW COULD YOU? *sobs* (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6233358)

This is true genius, and proves that fact really is funnier than fiction.

MOD THIS UP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6233550)

+1 Informative. You sir are a genious.

Watch out for new version of Hotmail... (3, Interesting)

jkrise (535370) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233114)

That accidentally doesn't work with this Mozilla any more... now that AOL's approved of IE and sunk Netscape and abandoned Mozilla (yet?), this is the next in line.

Re:Watch out for new version of Hotmail... (2, Insightful)

RebelWebmaster (628941) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233151)

Would it really come as a surprise if browser spoofing became a standard feature in future versions of Mozilla? After all, it already is supported in plugin form and (IIRC) in some browsers based on the Mozilla core.

Re: Browser spoofing problem (5, Interesting)

Cochonou (576531) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233340)

I think developpers have said numerous times on Bugzilla that they didn't want to implement an "user friendly" browser spoofing feature because they believe it would hurt Mozilla in the long run.

The problem is that, if many people were using Mozilla spoofing (let's say) IE6, Mozilla "market share" would appear even lower in statistics than it already is, thus making even harder for Mozilla evangelists to do their job.
Who would want to support a browser that would seem to be used by 0.003% of web surfers ?

Browser Spoofing. (5, Interesting)

Delta-9 (19355) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233300)

I think browser spoofing is a very bad thing. Yes it lets you load your page correctly, but it will never let the "powers that be" know that people use something other than IE.

I have stopped telling safari to use the IE "user agent" because of this. I want people to know that I use something that isn't Microsoft and sooner or later this is going to make a difference. Especially with the fact that M$ has officially dropped their IE for OS X.

C'mon, don't lie!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6233400)

You know you typed that from Internet Explorer!

Re:Browser Spoofing. (5, Interesting)

El Cubano (631386) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233529)

I have stopped telling safari to use the IE "user agent" because of this. I want people to know that I use something that isn't Microsoft and sooner or later this is going to make a difference. Especially with the fact that M$ has officially dropped their IE for OS X.

Boy would I love to join you there. Unfortunately there are still some websites that flat out refuse to load into anything other than IE, most notably the website where I access my payroll information to verify I was paid correctly). I emailed tech support and their reply was, "we only support IE in Windows, get partition magic and install windows on your computer." It's a tough fight righ now.

Re:Browser Spoofing. (3, Interesting)

hawkfish (8978) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233544)

I think browser spoofing is a very bad thing. Yes it lets you load your page correctly, but it will never let the "powers that be" know that people use something other than IE.
I recently had to write some code to identify OSX browsers from their UserAgent strings, and IE is not the problem - it is Mozilla! Everything claims to be Mozilla, and the only way to know if you have Mozilla is by process of elimination using the later parts of the string - i.e. if it is not something you know, then it must be Mozilla.

Re:Watch out for new version of Hotmail... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6233385)

Hotwhat?

Hey! Timothy! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6233115)

This isn't Freshmeat.

Mozilla 1.4RC2 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6233117)

but what's better?

(a) Mozilla

or

(b) Sex with a mare?

Hmm... (5, Funny)

stienman (51024) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233120)

"We do not guarantee that any source code or executable code available from the mozilla.org domain is Year 2000 compliant."

Good thing we're not in the year 2000 anymore. Lucky for those lazy developers...

-Adam

Re:Hmm... (2, Interesting)

lovebyte (81275) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233167)

Good thing we're not in the year 2000 anymore.
Don't laugh. I recently had to sign a contract with a customer in which I had to certify my code as y2k compliant. Too many companies are ran by lawyers.

Re:Hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6233268)

Programs dealing with historical data still need to span y2k. I'm sorry to say, there's still new code being written with two-digit years (the only samples I've seen were abuses of in-house vb and sql (which have date/time types, dammit!))

Re:Hmm... (2, Funny)

dsmoses (653429) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233485)

Yeah, but better start watching out for that year 2100 bug which is just around the corner.

BUNGLE! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6233121)

OMFG have you seen the Halo 2 trailer it's like slow and it's telling you all the stuff you did in the first one then the music kicks in and and the chief comes out and gets a gun the earf is on fire and chief is like fuck this im jumping and HE JUMPS PUT OF TEH SPACESHIP with angels singing and he lands on the bad guys and that annoying ai lady is like GO GET EM TIGER! WILDCAT IS ON TEH SPOKE!!!~`1 and theres less polys but rawkin bumb mappings you can view this on a special MICROSOFT xbox disk that comes with EB games store.

ME aM BraZIL!!!!!!! (-1, Troll)

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Camino? (4, Interesting)

Montreal (594947) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233126)

Hopefully the Camino developer(s) will now switch to this branch - from what I can see, the nightlies have been pretty variable quality ever since 0.7, which is when they switched to the trunk from a 1.0-ish branch.

But, but, but... (5, Funny)

Blahbbs (587167) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233133)

..I just downloaded RC1 last night! Thank God for DSL...

Java (5, Informative)

graikor (127470) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233140)

It isn't just old Linux systems that have problems with Java - in fact, Java applets are one of two issues that cause Mozilla to crash. The other is viewing too many images in tabs - even if you close tabs after you've viewed the pics, and try not to keep more than a half-dozen open at once, eventually it will die, and the Netscape Quality Agent pops up...

Re:Java (1)

RebelWebmaster (628941) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233211)

I'm also curious as to why the release docs say to use Java 1.4.2 beta rather than 1.4.1_2 which is the latest stable release.

Re:Java (4, Informative)

Majix (139279) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233337)

This is because the Java plugin and Mozilla must be compiled with similiar verions of GCC to work (for C++ ABI compatibility). For example, you can't run (Sun's) Java 1.4.1, which is compiled with GCC 2.X, with Red Hat 9's Mozilla version which is build around GCC 3.X and a new glibc. Blackdown makes an Java version for users of newer glibc's and GCC's that had to be used in the past.

Now in Mozilla 1.4 the Linux builds are by default compiled with GCC 3.X so Sun's Java version no longer works. You got to either use Blackdown's 1.4.1, which is stable, or the go with the 1.4.2beta.

Re:Java (5, Funny)

syle (638903) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233253)

The other is viewing too many images in tabs - even if you close tabs after you've viewed the pics, and try not to keep more than a half-dozen open at once, eventually it will die

Another case of porn driving innovation. Come on, people, try to have some self-control! Was 5 naked people at once really not enough?

Re:Java (5, Funny)

hendridm (302246) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233355)

> Was 5 naked people at once really not enough?

I've run into this problem with Firebird. Moz is well suited for surfing porn link farms since you can quickly control-click (to open in new tab) down a link list. Since there is usually SO much crap thrown in with porn links, you can quickly click on one tab and hit the "X" to close the bad ones. For someone who is looking for quality porn quickly, there is no other.

Amateur (5, Funny)

Pac (9516) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233492)

Any professional pornographer has a mouse with a middle button so he can middle-click the link to open it in a new tab. Do you realize Control-Click requires both hands?

Re:Java (1)

Eil (82413) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233346)


Workaround: use IE for pr0n.

Re:Java (5, Funny)

Graspee_Leemoor (302316) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233483)

IE for pr0n? Are you crazy, man? Going to a pr0n site with IE is like saying "I am crazy mister person who likes pop-ups! Please to pop-up many windows!"

"Oh a pop-up! I kiss you!"

"Oh another pop-up! I kiss you again!"

"Oh, a pop-up that launches 8 pop-ups when you close it! Many times do I kiss you, oh pop-up provider!"

graspee

Re:Java (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6233495)


Workaround: use IE for pr0n.


Eh? And get lost in 15 or 20 or 30 windows instead, get real.

RH 7.x is "old" ? (5, Insightful)

DragonWyatt (62035) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233145)

Interesting that the last great, stable RH is considered too "old" for mozilla...

Or am I just overreacting? I like my 7.3 boxes, dammit.

Re:RH 7.x is "old" ? (1)

botzi (673768) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233198)

Mozilla still runs as it includes all the relant libraries statically linked inside it - the java plugin doesn't.

It seems more like that RH7.x is considered too old by Java......

you don't have the dynamic link libraries required to run gcc 3.2 code as they weren't available when RH7.x was released.

So, you should be able to upgrade the libs, in a way that will allow Mozilla to run. Althouh, that may eventually break something else....;o))

Re:RH 7.x is "old" ? (1, Interesting)

DeadSea (69598) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233289)

I'd have to agree in man respects. For a Gnome desktop user, 7.3 --> 8.0 is a huge step backwards. 8.0 uses Gnome 2, but it didn't have many bells and whistles yet. The version in 8.0 didn't have any panel appelets, nor did it have the system tray that was designed to eliminate the need for many panel applets. The metacity window manager in 8.0 is very basic compared to sawfish in 7.3. Also, Apache 2.0 doesn't work with my favoriet apache mod: jserve.

If you haven't tried rh 9.0 yet, try it. It has applets again (not as many, but it has the important ones). It also has the system tray. It still uses metacity, but you can switch back to sawfish by killing metacity and then starting sawfish before metacity restarts. I guess I should switch to Apache Tomcat to replace mod_jserve.

Now I'm starting to think that my 7.3 box is looking a bit shabby and that I should upgrade to 9.0.

Re:RH 7.x is "old" ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6233505)

It still uses metacity, but you can switch back to sawfish by killing metacity and then starting sawfish before metacity restarts.

Oh, well then... fantastic.

Re:RH 7.x is "old" ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6233545)

For desktops, I totally agree that RH9 is good, particularly if you do any wireless. I canÂt speak for 7.3 on desktops. I can tell you that 7.3 on SERVERS sucked. Constant NFS problems. 7.2 on servers rocked, AFAIC.

Yawn (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6233163)

I'm sorry, Opera's better. Open sores does not work!

They still haven't fixed the a huge issue (5, Interesting)

PhysicsGenius (565228) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233173)

MathML. It's supported, but only in pure XML pages. This means that on legacy HTML sites, like Slashdot and K5, I can't fully get across the brilliance of my scientific and mathematical ideas, which is a lose-lose situation.

As open source projects, you'd think that Slashcode and Mozilla could meet halfway on this. But, as anyone who's tried to submit a patch to either project knows, they are open in name only. Development of both systems is really closed to outsiders and only insiders (the creators, their friends and people who think exactly the same way that they do) are allowed to submit patches. Witness the recent Taco IRC interview where his response to "when will Slashdot validate at the W3c" was "Whatever. Next."

/me starts an open-minded source revolution

Re:They still haven't fixed the a huge issue (1)

Prince_Ali (614163) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233210)

Yeah... good luck with that. I hope you find the help that you need.

Re:They still haven't fixed the a huge issue (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6233234)

YHBT

I know. (1)

Prince_Ali (614163) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233321)

I looked at his username after I replied.

Re:They still haven't fixed the a huge issue (4, Insightful)

scrytch (9198) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233447)

MathML. It's supported, but only in pure XML pages. This means that on legacy HTML sites, like Slashdot and K5, I can't fully get across the brilliance of my scientific and mathematical ideas, which is a lose-lose situation.

HTML doesn't support namespaces, which makes picking out your embedded mathml a little problematic. Ideally the <OBJECT> tag would support XML (or HTML). In the meantime, use an iframe -- true, it won't work on slashdot, but slashdot won't accept your mathml anyway.

Re:They still haven't fixed the a huge issue (2, Informative)

rdieter (112462) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233554)

AFAIK, MathML *requires* XHTML, period. Why complain about not being able to shoe-horn it into legacy HTML when the spec doesn't allow it?

Due to being sued by the auto makers (5, Funny)

numbski (515011) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233204)

Unfortunately, the auto makers have decided to sue the Mozilla team for using their trademarked names. The new names are now:

Buffy - Browser
Dawn - Mail Reader
Willow - HTML Editor
Xander - News Reader
Spike - Porn Search Plugin

Oops, forgot the Mac users (1)

numbski (515011) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233229)

As usual, the Mac Users get shafted

Browser - The Mystery Machine

Re:Due to being sued by the auto makers (2, Funny)

k1llt1me (680945) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233363)

Well, now they are going to have Spike Lee's lawyers after them.

Re:Due to being sued by the auto makers (1, Funny)

mog (22706) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233364)

I would have assigned Xander as pop-up ad generator. I mean, which is more annoying? At least Mozilla can block the pop-ups..

I guess that leaves ... (1, Funny)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233370)

Giles - JavaScript Console
Anya - Cookie Manager
Faith - Password Manager

reminds me of.... (1, Offtopic)

emoeric (470708) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233205)

another product [gentoo.org] with a staggeringly similar release number.


go ahead, emerge

BOOOORRRRRIIIINNNNGGGG!!!!!!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6233310)

emerge REMOVE_THIS_GOD_AWFUL_OS;
shutdown -r "now";
installpkg slackware

Java Problems on old linux distributions (5, Informative)

levell (538346) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233219)

I linked to it in the story but the summary of the java problems on linux is:

You need to use a version of the java plugin that has been compiled with the same version of gcc that mozilla has been, the 1.4 latest branch mozilla build has been compiled with gcc3.2 and therefore you need to use the gcc3.2 plugin that ships in the latest betas of Sun's JRE (and there is also a suitable Blackdown java).

The kicker comes if you run an old linux distribution (e.g. Redhat 7.x), - you don't have the dynamic link libraries required to run gcc 3.2 code as they weren't available when RH7.x was released. Mozilla still runs as it includes all the relevant libraries statically linked inside it - the java plugin doesn't. You therefore either need to recompile Mozilla with an old version of gcc or install the libraries for gcc 3.2.

The release notes could do with a little tidying in order to make what java works where clear to users

.

If this isn't fixed in the release version it would hint that Mozilla plan to phase out support for old distributions which would open to the door to things such as nice font rendering (via XFT) in the default builds, or do some other current distributions not come with XFT?

The most important item was missed in this story. (5, Informative)

Dolemite_the_Wiz (618862) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233232)

This is probably the most important feature missing from Mozilla for YEARS.

NTLM Support.

From the Release Notes page [mozilla.org] :

Mozilla on Windows now has support for NTLM authentication. This enables Mozilla to talk to MS web and proxy servers that are configured to use "windows integrated security".

Dolemite
_______________________

not quite true (2, Informative)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233320)

Mozilla doesn't have native NTLM support it uses the NTLM support built into windows.

Re:The most important item was missed in this stor (5, Informative)

driverEight (598719) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233375)

If you want more features don't forget to donate [mozdev.org]

Re:The most important item was missed in this stor (2, Informative)

mkelley (411060) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233442)

Windows 9x can't use this, neither can Linux or OS X. XP, NT, & 2k are the only supported with this release. still nothing works. as it should, after three years [mozilla.org]

Re:The most important item was missed in this stor (1)

Glorat (414139) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233451)

Now if only it would get included in a release (or nightly, for me,) of Mozilla Firebird. Then I'd be rid of Internet Explorer finally!

Re:The most important item was missed in this stor (1)

dago (25724) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233555)

As said by other poster, it's just on 2000, XP, 2003, NT. Not a generic fix.

And this bug (23679) [mozilla.org] is (was) the 3rd most voted one and the oldest one on the top 10 (most voted). Lot of things and temp workaround on the bug page.

Seems that, even with opensource, what the users wants is not met.

Mozilla 1.4 RC1 mail send crash bug (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6233239)

was not mentioned in the 1.4 RC2 release notes as being fixed. This made the mailer completely useless as one out of 3 emails sent would crash the browser without delivering the email. I had to update to a Mozilla 1.5 beta snapshot to get around this problem. Is there any advantage to downgrading from a 1.5 beta snapshot to 1.4 RC2?

Re:Mozilla 1.4 RC1 mail send crash bug (2, Informative)

truth_revealed (593493) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233353)

The bug [mozilla.org] in question (moz bug ID 208300) appears to be fixed for 1.4 RC2.

Does Phoenix/Firebird support tabbed homepages? (2, Interesting)

Gregoyle (122532) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233263)

If they are going to drop the "suite" version I sure hope it does. This is the one feature stopping me from using Camino or even Safari. I love how all the newer browsers are supporting tabs now, but there is one feature from the "suite" Mozilla that I use every day but that none of the other browsers has added.

I just love tabbed homepages. The way you can save a tab group as a bookmark and then set that as your homepage. I use this every day; I load up my four most visited sites and just go. For some strange reason it makes a big difference.

Re:Does Phoenix/Firebird support tabbed homepages? (2, Informative)

JanneM (7445) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233334)

I always have homepage not set; I usually leave the browser running overnight.

What I do under Firebird is to have a bookmark folder on the status bar with all my morning links, and just middle click on the folder, which loads all the bookmarks as tabs. Very convenient.

Re:Does Phoenix/Firebird support tabbed homepages? (2, Interesting)

illuvata (677144) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233415)

it is supported in phoenix. you when you set your homepage, you choose use bookmarks, and select some folder

Re:Does Phoenix/Firebird support tabbed homepages? (5, Informative)

SushiFugu (593444) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233445)

Short answer: yes, it supports it.

Re:Does Phoenix/Firebird support tabbed homepages? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6233536)

It supports tabs to the point where you can't even configure the middle-mouse button to do anything other than "open in new tab". Very annoying.

firebird (1)

freedommatters (664657) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233269)

having fairly recently moved over to firebird (from IE, windows) is there any benefit to me looking at this?

thanks
john
The govenment owns my a$$ but... [wildjelly.com]

Re:firebird (3, Informative)

mhifoe (681645) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233327)

If you don't want the email and news functionality I wouldn't bother.

The next major Mozilla version (1.5) will use Firebird as the browser. Check out the roadmap [mozilla.org] for more details.

Re:firebird (1)

freedommatters (664657) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233379)

will do, thanks for the link

john
Do you have Weapons of Male Distraction? Show 'em off! [wildjelly.com]

glibc 2.2.4 required? (3, Informative)

SCHecklerX (229973) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233303)

I installed rc1 yesterday, no problems. RC2 will not install without having a newer glibc installed. Ugh.

Anyone know if the DHTML menu problems are fixed ? (1)

mickwd (196449) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233308)

I'd love to use it at work, but it doesn't seem to work with the dynamic menus we use. It's as though all menu options are written on top of each other.

I've had a brief look at Bugzilla, but I seem to find a load of bugs listed as "evangelism required", or something similar.

This is a pity, since Konqueror can render them almost perfectly.

Unfortunately, I don't know enough about the web technologies involved to be able to comment further (or even look up the issues in Bugzilla properly :). I just know that Mozilla won't stand a chance of replacing IE in our place of work until these issues are fixed.

Re:Anyone know if the DHTML menu problems are fixe (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6233420)

Example menu?
Wouldn't surprise me if it is screwed up code on your part. I mean, making a menu isn't exactly complicated [meyerweb.com] but people still manage to screw it up.

Re:Anyone know if the DHTML menu problems are fixe (1)

iapetus (24050) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233426)

Do you have a link to a page using these menus, or are they all internal? I'm sure someone could tell you how to fix them. :)

Re:Anyone know if the DHTML menu problems are fixe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6233466)

Even if they are all internal, he *could* post an example of the menus, suitably stripped, on a geocities page.

Re:Anyone know if the DHTML menu problems are fixe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6233498)

My guess is that your menus are not written to any sort of W3C standard, but are just cobbled together with IE-specific code.

Check everything with the validators. Write decent code. Don't expect Mozilla and other browsers to copy IE's bugs and idiosyncracies.

No longer integrated? (5, Insightful)

introverted (675306) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233312)

1.4 will the last version of Mozilla released as a suite, after that the switch to separate browser, e-mail etc. applications will take place."

So instead of monolithic systems that try to do everything, this sounds like a swing back in the direction of discrete programs that only do one thing. (And hopefully do it well.)

I very much like the idea of being able to install my web browser of choice without being forced to simultaneously fill my hard drive with "extras" that don't quite do what I want, but can't be removed either. And browsers and office suites are just two places I'd like to see a little less of the "Swiss army knife" approach. (Sure, it's cool, but do you really need a telephone that can take pictures, program your VCR and mow the grass?)

Don't get me wrong, I agree that interoperability is a Good Thing. I just don't want to be forced to take on the clutter of tools I won't use.

Re:No longer integrated? (5, Informative)

Cochonou (576531) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233404)

You don't seem to have heard about the new Mozilla roadmap.
Here is for you. [mozilla.org]

Is it really necessary... (1, Insightful)

xdistak (568587) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233368)

Are we still posting about every RC along the way? Granted, Mozilla is a great browser, possibly the best out there right now, but this version is just that: a release candidate. I don't see any reason why we need a story about every RCx that comes out... sure, the final release of 1.4, absolutely; but, until then, leave it to people that check the nightly release folder or the Mozilla start page.

One thing FireBird is missing..... (1)

CashCarSTAR (548853) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233373)

Is multiple user accounts. That is something I need from a web browser, (as me and the wife both have about a ton of book marks, and like to keep things seperate.) Hopefully that will be released soon so I can completely move over. (Oh yea..and the Orbit theme :)

Re:One thing FireBird is missing..... (5, Informative)

Matchu (62602) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233424)

run firebird with -p, and it brings up the profile manager. If you're running windows, set up a shortcut to firebird.exe" -P Username and it should run automagically as that user.

just got it.... (1)

beyonddeath (592751) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233397)

and it just broke! ... note to self 250 emails dont like filters....

Re:just got it.... (2, Interesting)

beyonddeath (592751) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233504)

woah this might really be a bug, anyone confirm? i had 219 emails that neeeded a filter of if subject contains: [mythtv-users] then move to mythtv (created in that window not in the main one) then ran filter and it choked. then i deleted the mythtv folder said yes to all the stupid questions made a myth folder and then adjusted the filter ... it "moved" all the emails frm the inbox, but they are not in te myth folder, although it says there are 220 there

What the... (4, Insightful)

JediTrainer (314273) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233401)

From the release notes (emphasis mine):

Mozilla 1.4 requires Sun J2SE v 1.4.2 Beta to run Java applets

Why would they make a decision to make a browser dependent on an unreleased version of Java? 1.4.1_02 isn't good enough?

Great!...somewhat (1)

agent dero (680753) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233403)

This is great news for Windows users, but what about the Linux and MacOS X users?

I use Konquerer under redhat 8, and Safari under MacOS X.
Unfortunatly I am on a modem, so has anybody tested it yet against the rendering of Safari, and Konquerer? I am a big fan of Mozilla, but not of it's speed, does this release improve it much? Will it be worth it to download the linux and MacOS X versions?

Question (1)

Cackmobile (182667) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233446)

I am leaving in England at the moment; originally from Oz. When I return home I wanna try Mozilla. I always used netscape until i gave up after 4.x crashed my comp so many times. Is it good. Is it as supported as IE. etc etc. any comments would be appreciated.

The problem is with PRECOMPILED only. (5, Informative)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233460)

I just love the FUD that flies around here...

Yes if you use a older distro you will have troubles, simply get the sources and compile it... Magically the problem goes away.

Doesn't work to well..... (5, Funny)

JaJ_D (652372) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233493)

Netscape planned release, codenamed "buffy"

Buffy the IE slayer...... Hummm doesn't quite work.

Although the 'destroying the undead whose goal it is to reign the earth and bring pain, misery and fear to all' analogy may have some distance to run

:-]

Jaj

No more IRIX nightlies? (2, Interesting)

green pizza (159161) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233518)

As a few other folks have pointed out on the usenet, there doesn't seem to be any new IRIX nightlies. While the other platforms have binaries built about once a day, the most recent IRIX nightly is from late May.

Does anyone from the Mozilla project happen to know what the problem is? Is there something that we IRIX users/developers can do to help? If it's a hardware need, I can probably spare an Octane or two to help the Mozilla project.

XFT support? (1)

Quixote (154172) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233524)

These newer builds don't support XFT out of the box. Of course, I could rebuild it from source (an endeavor akin to watching grass grow), but is there any place I could download the latest (gasp!) RPM with full XFT support? Now that I have seen the anti-aliased and smoothed fonts in all their glory, going back to the old font rendering is about as painful as sticking a fork in my eye.

Code named Buffy? (5, Funny)

edwardd (127355) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233541)

(e.g. Netscape planned release, codenamed "buffy").

As in "Ready to be canceled"?

How do I disable META REFRESH??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6233543)

Please! Anyone?

Decent SVG support on Linux (4, Interesting)

Monkey-Man2000 (603495) | more than 11 years ago | (#6233548)

I'm sure this Mozilla doesn't have SVG support. However, I was wondering if anyone knew the status of the Adobe SVG Plugin's compatibility with the browser (whether Adobe is developing a new compatible plug-in or Mozilla compensating for Adobe's compatibility problems). My understanding is that Adobe developed the 3.0 plugin before the Mozilla API was frozen, and now it crashes the browser. This is common to Windows and Linux and for Mozilla derivatives as well (Netscape). Neither the Mozilla developers or Adobe seem to be budging. I just want to have some decent SVG support in Linux. Is SVG development something I should avoid?
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