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USB 1.1 Renumbered To USB 2?

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the there-has-never-been-a-usb-1.0 dept.

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Teese writes "According to this Bangkok Post article, in December the USB Forum renamed USB 1.1 to USB 2, and USB 2 stayed as USB 2. They did this because consumers were demanding that the computers they buy have USB2 on board. The story also claims that both Sony & toshiba have released laptops with the USB2 that is really USB1.1. This was the first I had heard of this and the article said the change took place in December, has the USB Forum really been able to pull a fast one on us?"

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Anybody? (1, Insightful)

krray (605395) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237254)

Un-USB'n believable (!)

Bait -n- switch anyone?

At least when I sell my Mac (QuickSilver flavor) to upgrade
I'll be able to sell it listed as "USB 2 - Full Speed" to the poor
E-Bay'er.

I'll even list it with "Firewire - HIGH Speed".

All so I can go buy a new G5 (if they REALLY are coming out :)
with it's "Firewire - UltraHIGH Speed" and "USB 2" connections.

And Microsoft wonders why so many DO NOT trust them?

Duh.

fp

Re:Anybody? (0, Insightful)

jpmkm (160526) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237277)

What does microsoft have to do with it?

Nothing (5, Funny)

Andorion (526481) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237295)

It's just easier to get modded up on /. if you bash MS once or twice, regardless of what you're talking about. Microsoft sucks.

~Berj

Microsoft discriminates against crippled veterans! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6237437)

[CTRL][ALT][DELETE] to login, my ass!

I got my arm blown off in the Gulf War -- not the latest pipqueek, the big one.

And well la-te-da, Mr. Bill "look at me, I have two perfectly good hands" Gates decides in his infinite idiocy that people should have to press three seperate keys widely spaced on the keyboard in order to get a login dialog.

Sleazy bastard. If I ever meet him, I'm gonna kick him in the nads!

MS Connection (5, Informative)

FuzzyDaddy (584528) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237320)

From the article

At the end of last year the USB Implementation Forum met _ Microsoft is on the board of directors while the chairman/president is Jason Ziller of Intel _ and decided that the matter was perhaps too clear, too transparent to the customer.

Re:Anybody? (0, Redundant)

Skeezix (14602) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237334)

you obviously haven't read the article.

At the end of last year the USB Implementation Forum met _ Microsoft is on the board of directors while the chairman/president is Jason Ziller of Intel _ and decided that the matter was perhaps too clear, too transparent to the customer.

Read The Article (2, Informative)

Idimmu Xul (204345) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237337)

USB was agreed to as a standard by Microsoft, Compaq and the usual suspects back in the 90s and a standard was issued in 1998.

MS are a member of the standards body.

Re:Read The Article (1)

Andorion (526481) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237414)

Microsoft isn't the only member of the USB Forum. Isn't it more likely that this idea was backed by hardware vendors, so they could move their old hardware, instead of by Microsoft.

~Berj

Re:Anybody? (1)

Moofie (22272) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237429)

Yeah, that article was pretty long and intimidating. I see why you'd be afraid to try to read it.

At the end of last year the USB Implementation Forum met _ Microsoft is on the board of directors while the chairman/president is Jason Ziller of Intel _ and decided that the matter was perhaps too clear, too transparent to the customer. Rotten customers were asking what version USB was installed on a machine and if it was USB 1.1 they thought it inferior to USB 2.

The Forum came up with a clever way of dealing with this.

In December it announced that henceforth USB 1.1 would be called USB 2 and USB 2 would continue to be called USB 2.

So, in other words, MS was party to this decision. See? All better now?

Re:Anybody? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6237278)

What was the purpose of this comment?

Re:Anybody? (1)

Wuss912 (464329) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237280)

apple isn't innocent on this either (they are a member too)

Shit (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6237357)

Now I can't trust Apple either.

Linus -- SAVE US (!)

Hard Drives, memory, processors... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6237309)

...I suppose next we'll start calling 5400 rpm disk drives 7200's and PC2100 memory PC2700 and 1800Mhz processors 2200's -- Oh wait, AMD already DOES that!!!

READ THE ARTICLE (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6237319)

READ THE ARTICLE YOU ANONYMOUS FUCKIN' WINDOWS PUSSIES.

Microsoft was on the board and was part of the decision making process.

Weenies

Re:Anybody? (2, Interesting)

chill (34294) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237355)

Actually, it is Firewire-400. Some of the new Macs are supposed to sport Firewire-800. :-)

-Chas

Re:Anybody? (1)

kc0dxh (115594) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237359)

I fail to see what this has to do with Microsoft. Is MS alone in the USB Forum? If you are making accusations you should also make them of Intel, HP, NEC, Phillips and Agere Systems.

and I ain't talk about the movie with the bus. (5, Funny)

sweeney37 (325921) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237256)

To help the public grasp this subtle distinction USB 2, which was the old USB 1.1, would have ``Full Speed'' added to its title and USB 2, which was USB 2, would have ``Hi-Speed'' added.

It sounds like whomever came up with this idea was possibly "on speed".

Mike

Re:and I ain't talk about the movie with the bus. (5, Insightful)

archen (447353) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237341)

Reminds me of fast food joints where you have your choice of Medium, Large or Super-sized.

who/whom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6237356)

That should be "whoever came up with this..."

Re:and I ain't talk about the movie with the bus. (5, Funny)

sTalking_Goat (670565) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237399)

In further Industry news. Intel announced today, that to help the public grasp the subtle distinction between future Pentium releases all current models will be remained Pentium 5 "Really Fast". Future models will subsequently carry the added Title of "Really Really Fast", "No, Really its Faster", "Even faster This time" and "So Fast, make you wanna slap yo Mama!".

AMD is reportedly reveiwing their naming conventions as well.

Re:and I ain't talk about the movie with the bus. (4, Funny)

mcgroarty (633843) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237448)

It sounds like whomever came up with this idea was possibly "on speed"

High-speed or full-speed?

Huh? (5, Insightful)

Jellybob (597204) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237263)

I think the subject says it all... wouldn't a more reliable source to ask be the organisation that made the change, rather than the population of /., who'll all have a different opinion on what's happened?

It might be, (2, Funny)

Andorion (526481) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237321)

but this way, we have something to pass the time on, at work =)

~Berj

Re:Huh? (2, Informative)

JoeD (12073) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237394)

The article refers you to www.usb.org.

Going to the FAQ there, specifically here [usb.org] , and you see this:

Q1: How fast is USB?

A1: High speed USB products have a design data rate of 480 Mb/s. Full speed USB devices signal at 12Mb/s, while low speed devices use a 1.5Mb/s subchannel.


However, I can't find out anything where they say to refer to "USB 1.1" as "USB 2". It's chock-full of Hi-Speed/Full-Speed marketspeak, though. This is very confusing nomenclature.

Article renumbered? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6237267)

Appears this article was renumbered to a 404, fo shizzle mah nizzle.

404 File Not Found
The requested URL (articles/03/06/18/2025210.shtml?tid=137) was not found.

If you feel like it, mail the url, and where ya came from to pater@slashdot.org.

Slight wording difference (5, Insightful)

invisik (227250) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237273)

Well, the article states:

"To help the public grasp this subtle distinction USB 2, which was the old USB 1.1, would have ``Full Speed'' added to its title and USB 2, which was USB 2, would have ``Hi-Speed'' added."

Still, that's really, really wrong. It is most likely to upset even more people that ended up buying a computer with "slow" USB as the salesperson will probably not know this subtle text difference.

I though they should include the speed numerical value in the name, like USB-12 and USB-480.

Ugh, let's hope there's another announcement in a few week revoking this.

-m

Re:Slight wording difference (more info) (5, Informative)

Surakrout (674479) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237374)

Here's a website [iomega.com] that describes the differences between USB 1.1, USB 2.0 and also Firewire.

Re:Slight wording difference (4, Insightful)

TrekkieGod (627867) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237385)

the salesperson will probably not know this subtle text difference.

Well...if this is to be believed, they don't want the salesperson to know the difference. They made the change because people were demanding USB 2.0 with their computers, and they (apparently) want to sell more USB 1.1's

Why they would actually want to sell more 1.1's is beyond me though.

Re:Slight wording difference (1)

sweetooth (21075) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237422)

Why they would actually want to sell more 1.1's is beyond me though.

Existing inventory of products based on 1.1? That's the first thing that comes to my mind. Of course that certainly isn't a very good reason to relabel it USB 2, and I can gaurantee you I would never purchase anything from one of the companies that sold hardware labeled like this.

Re:Slight wording difference (1)

ductormalef (260954) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237409)

``High speed USB products have a design data rate of 480 Mb/s. Full speed USB devices signal at 12Mb/s.''

I find it interesting they think they can call it "Full" speed when there is something faster. Full indicates the upper limit. This is blatant false advertising.

If they would have named USB1.1 as "High" and 2.0 as "Full" it would actually make more sense (not that it makes any sense in a truthful world).

Who's on first? (1)

ravenousbugblatter (682061) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237274)

This seems destined to confuse everyone...

destined to confuse everyone... (1)

eclectic4 (665330) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237348)

...and then those who proposed this farce will get a big fat raise, as this was the purpose I think.

slashdotted: karmaless reprint (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6237282)

The computer industry needs trust on both sides. Trust, so that the Business Software Association knows that the public is not making naughty copies of software. Trust, so that the consumer knows that everything is as described.

The BSA uses the law to descend on small businesses and make them settle for substantial funds if they have too many copies of some software. Thus proving once again to all small businesses that they are safer to go with Linux. There may be better ways of building up mutual trust.

On the other side of the equation, industry associations make sure the consumer is not confused by the emerging technology.

Regard, then, with amazement, the peculiar case of the USB Implementation Forum.

USB was agreed to as a standard by Microsoft, Compaq and the usual suspects back in the 90s and a standard was issued in 1998. This was called USB 1.0 and then modified to USB 1.1.

It was excellent but slow, especially when compared with Firewire, the competition provided by Apple. So slow that at 12 Mbps it would not easily allow the downloading of video images from a camcorder to a PC. But fast enough so that all computers sold after 1999 pretty much were sold with USB 1.1 ports and most peripherals could be connected in that way.

But speed was a problem and so a faster standard was agreed and this was called _ pretty logical this _ USB 2.0. It was nearly as fast as Firewire at 480Mbps, and it was the way forward.

In fact, it will be a rare PC that goes on sale after the end of this year without USB 2.0. It is backwards compatible so no USB device is rendered out-of-date.

Good. Indeed, excellent.

At the end of last year the USB Implementation Forum met _ Microsoft is on the board of directors while the chairman/president is Jason Ziller of Intel _ and decided that the matter was perhaps too clear, too transparent to the customer. Rotten customers were asking what version USB was installed on a machine and if it was USB 1.1 they thought it inferior to USB 2.

The Forum came up with a clever way of dealing with this.

In December it announced that henceforth USB 1.1 would be called USB 2 and USB 2 would continue to be called USB 2.

To help the public grasp this subtle distinction USB 2, which was the old USB 1.1, would have ``Full Speed'' added to its title and USB 2, which was USB 2, would have ``Hi-Speed'' added.

Not only did the consumers not get the subtle beauty and usefulness of this change. Neither did the retailers.

They, unstudied clods that they are, thought that if a device said USB 2 they could sell it as being to the old USB 2 standard. In their ignorance they did not realise that USB 2 could be USB 1.1 or USB 2 depending.

Even the manufacturers were fooled at some levels.

Sony and Toshiba issued laptops with USB 2 on them when they were the USB 2 that was the USB 1.1. Many peripherals were sold in the same way. The help desks did not understand the difference.

The USB Implementation Forum refuses to comment in any way on this contentious matter. But someone has plainly pointed out to them that these actions are possibly illegal and they could be charged with misrepresentation. This is certainly true under the laws of the European Union.

Now USB has put on its web site _ www.usb.org _ a statement that states: ``The correct nomenclature for high-speed USB products is ``Hi-Speed USB.'' The correct nomenclature for low or Full-speed USB products is simply ``USB''. And in the FAQ section it states: ``High speed USB products have a design data rate of 480 Mb/s. Full speed USB devices signal at 12Mb/s.''

Lust. It is a lovely thing when you get it in the ass.

troll: the article is fine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6237315)

stop posting this crap when the article is clearly not slashdotted. This is spam. Go away.

Re:slashdotted: karmaless reprint (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6237333)

Lust. It is a lovely thing when you get it in the ass.

funny you put this at the bottom, because that pretty much what happened to any duped consumer.

What's the justification? (5, Funny)

Keighvin (166133) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237286)

In related news, Webster's Dictionary has altered the spelling of "Fraud," to be more in line with its common use as "Advertising". The two entries have been merged under this same name despite maintaining two distinct definitions under the hood.

The next thing we'll see is... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6237417)

... 1800 MHz processors marketed as 2200's. Oh Wait! AMD has already been doing that for some time.

not bait and switch (3, Insightful)

curtlewis (662976) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237287)

It's out and out fraud. USB1.1 is not USB2, USB2 is. To label a product as USB2 when it's really USB1.1 and conforming to the IEEE specifications for USB1.1 is fraudulent.

They did it because their customers wanted USB2.0 on board? So put USB2.0 on board then! This is ludicrous. But I'm not surprised at the lack of ethics in the Asian Consumer market, it's an ugly business world over there.

Re:not bait and switch (5, Informative)

sn00ker (172521) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237354)

But I'm not surprised at the lack of ethics in the Asian Consumer market, it's an ugly business world over there.
Gee, you wouldn't be a racist would you? Note that the chair of the USB forum is from Intel (Yank company) and Micro$oft (Yank company) is also on the forum.
Given that the USB forum made the decision, blaming asians for it is nothing less than unveiled racism - Of course, no Yank company would ever indulge in such fraudulent behaviour.

Re:not bait and switch (5, Insightful)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237358)

Yep, a lot of manufacturers have been doing this. They say it's "USB 2.0 compatible", which means fuck-all.

Sort of like saying a Geo Metro is Corvette-compatible because they both can ride the same public highways.

What next - black and white laser printers that are color-image compatible (sure, they can handle color, they just print it in black and white).

Argh....Yet another reason not to buy Sony (0, Flamebait)

NaCh0 (6124) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237290)

Sony equipment is over-priced junk. You're buying a name and nothing else. I recommend that people buy any other Japanese knock-off brand. You'll be happier and have more dollars left in your pocket.

NEXT on slashdot (0, Flamebait)

Bold Marauder (673130) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237294)

Slackware 7.0 renumbered to Slackware 10 ...hilarity ensues.

It's Easy (5, Funny)

suwain_2 (260792) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237300)

A simple, easy-to-follow guide to the changes.

USB 1.1 is now USB 2. USB 2 is now USB 2.

For some odd reason, they thought that people might have difficulty understanding this, and therefore created the "High Speed" and "Full Speed" designators, to make things even easier to understand.

Wait...

Re:It's Easy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6237366)

It's a whole new revolutionary way of releasing software products as far as I can tell. No new code required; simply repackage the existing crap and bump the version.

Re:It's Easy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6237378)

I don't see what the problem is. Java 1.2 is also known as Java 2. And SunOS blah blah is also known as Solaris blah blah.

In other news.... (5, Funny)

The Iconoclast (24795) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237304)

Pi redefined as 3,
1 redefined as 0,
and
10 redefined as 27.

Sigh....

Re:In other news.... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6237387)

And we all know that OCTal 31 is DECimal 25, which is why some of us confuse Halloween and Christmas.

Re:In other news.... (1)

suwain_2 (260792) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237412)

Actually, it's even worse. Rather than randomly switching around numbers, we now have duplicate numbers. (*fights urge to try to work in a duplicate story joke*) It's more like: 1 is redefined as 0. 0 is still defined as 0. So when someone has 0 of something, they could have 0 or 1.

Re:In other news.... (5, Funny)

sn00ker (172521) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237440)

Pi redefined as 3
And you're only joking.
In 1879 the Indiana House of Representatives unanimously passed a bill that redefined the area of a circle and the value of Pi. Luckily the bill died in the State Senate, or y'all might have real problems with things like highway interchanges

hmmm (5, Funny)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237306)

Why do I get the feeling somewhere there's a dark, smoky room with Mr. Burns, Dr. Hibbert, & Count Chocula all giggling like madmen over this?

Re:hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6237395)

because you try and substitute simpsons references for having an actual sense of humor. but don't worry, the slashbots can't tell the difference...just like USB 2 and USB 2!

What the?? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6237307)

I bought a sony mini-disk player, on the system requirments it says it needs:
USB port (supports 2.0 Full Speed (prevously USB 1.1))
!!

C'mon now... (5, Funny)

Lane.exe (672783) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237312)

We all know this was because SCO sent a letter to the USB Forum saying that they owned the intellectual property to USB 1.1...

I'm teh winner! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6237313)

21st psot!!!!!!!!111

Re:I'm teh winner! (1)

Javaman97 (668377) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237328)

Yes, Very good, you are a winner.... Now get back on the short bus.

waiting for intel... (3, Funny)

TrekkieGod (627867) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237323)

Maybe I can get more money out of my old computer if I can sell it as a "Pentium 4 - full speed 200Mhz" on ebay...

After all, every geek knows clock speed isn't the be all end all of performance

Trust, huh? (1)

Moofie (22272) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237325)

The article ends with "Trust. It is a lovely thing when you get it on both sides."

More like "It is a lovely thing when you get it from both ends."

I can't believe that the computer industry actually pulled this off.

Oh, wait...who's on the council? MS and Intel? I stand corrected. I totally believe it.

Maybe we can be done with the whining about FireWire licensing. At least with that, you actually get what you pay for...

Uh (1)

Andorion (526481) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237381)

Here's some info [usb.org] on the USB Forum... there's more than just Intel and MS involved in these decisions.

~Berj

Hi-Speed USB and Original USB (2, Informative)

Traa (158207) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237326)

I thought that for a while the naming standard where:
  • USB

    Upto 11Mbit/s (theoretical)

    Also known as USB 1.1

    Also known as Original USB

    Also known as Slow mode

    or old mode

    or whatever

  • Hi-Speed USB

    Upto 480Mbit/s (theoratical max)

    Also known as USB 2.0

    The fast mode



good ole marketing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6237331)

it's nothing more than the usual marketing techniques used to bring you wmd in iraq. it's not really smallpox, it's just dirty blankets. is that a dirty bomb in your pocket or are you just happy to see me? anyone worth their salt will look at actual transfer rates. if those have been fudged, it's a case of fraud. period.

This is exactly what we need... (0)

BiteMeFanboy (680905) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237336)

... more confusing naming conventions so Joe Sixpack doesn't know what he's getting. Reminds me of the lovely textual additions to modems back in the day.

On the other hand it's just more obfuscation that helps keep tech support guys employed.

java 1.2 == java 2 ??? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6237338)

anyone else see the parallels?

Re:java 1.2 == java 2 ??? (1)

mabinogi (74033) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237377)

Version 1.2 of the java platform is based on version 2 of the java language.

Re:java 1.2 == java 2 ??? (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237398)

Not really. Anything after 1.2 is Java 2. As of today there is nothing else considered Java 2. Now if Sun released a Java 2.0 tomorrow (aka Java 1.5), then it would be a parallel example

This is nothing new (2)

Zlurg (591611) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237343)

In a related story, the National Inquisitortilla unearthed proof that Microsoft has renumbered Windows 95 into Windows 2003. Apparently this has been an on-going practice for several iterations of the Redmond-based product, roughly since Ballmer decried Adobe's Illustrator 88 naming scheme as being "ambiguous" and "prone to immediate obsolescence."

The horror...

standards should not change (5, Interesting)

juan2074 (312848) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237344)

The USB 2.0 standard calls for data transfer speeds of 480Mbits/s (over 40 times faster than USB 1.1). If a product is released as USB 2.0 compliant, it had better be able to meet that requirement.

Once the standard is released to the world, the standards body cannot expect consumers to accept USB 1.1 as USB 2.0.

If your product fails to meet the USB 2.0 standard (as we know it), it will be returned as defective and the consumer will go buy something else that meets his/her needs.

So... name games it is, then. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6237345)

When do I get my USB Turbo High-Speed Extreme Raptor Edition?

COOL! (1)

MikeDataLink (536925) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237346)

Now maybe USB will dies and Firewire(1394) can become the standard. IEEE 1394 is my choice!

Re:COOL! (1)

Lane.exe (672783) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237370)

Hope you don't have any peripherals that need to be more than 6 feet away from your computer.

Oh wait... you were just trolling!

Hear hear (1)

Catskul (323619) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237438)

All who agree, mod parent up !

I have always hated USB anyway.

Re:COOL! (1)

chill (34294) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237447)

But isn't the i1394 (Firewire) interface chipset more expensive? Can you justify i1394 speeds/costs for things like mice & keyboards?

Not to knock Firewire, but I'd rather see it replace IDE, SCSI and Ethernet while USB replaced serial, parallel, keyboard, mouse, floppy. Hell, I'd also like to see USB replace SM, SD, MMC, CF, Memory Stick, etc.

A question for you! (1, Interesting)

pardasaniman (585320) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237347)

I have a good question!!!

How do I know which one is on my computer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Would someone care to tell me a quick method to know for
sure!!

Try transferring some data!!!!!!!! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6237434)

If it's fast it's Hi-Speed, or FireWire!!!!

If it's slow it's Old Slow USB!!

if it's really slow it's probably a Null Modem Cable on your Serial Port, or maybe ADB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HTH!! HAND!!!

Same with CD-RWs? (1)

beldraen (94534) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237350)

This is a side note, but I got my Toshiba laptop with CD-RW and it quoted 16x burn speeds. The software shows x16, but it certainly does not burn at that speed, more like 12x. I wasn't too thrilled about it, but the laptop wasn't bought for that purpose so I let it slide.

Pay it no mind. . . (1)

bplipschitz (265300) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237351)

it's just Big Brother, 2+2=5 and all that.

I believe I'll have a Victory Gin and Tonic. . .

Powerbook now has USB 2 (4, Funny)

Jon Abbott (723) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237360)

In other news, my Powerbook G4 with USB 1.1 now has USB 2! Imagine that. :^)

And in addition... (5, Funny)

toddestan (632714) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237363)

USB 2.0 "Hi-Speed" ports will be painted bright yellow, come with custom rims, and include VTEC stickers. They may not quite put out 480Mbps, but they sure will look like they do.

This isn't new information, just misinformation! (5, Informative)

Burnon (19653) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237365)

The USB standards documentation has made this clear for a long time - years. USB 2 does add some new requirements to the spec for transfers at full and low speeds. So, to ship a USB 2 product, your hardware has to support some slightly different features, even if it can't do high speed transfers.

The same can be said about USB 1.1, which defines a low speed mode with a max speed of 1.5 Mbps. Your mice, keyboards, and other devices quite possibily use this mode, as it's cheaper to build. Just because you've heard that USB 1.1 has a max speed of 12Mbps, don't assume that all USB 1.1 devices are built to use that speed!

So, the rule of thumb is, don't equate USB 2 with high speed transfers. No big deal, if you ask me. USB 2 is the name of a technical standard, not a data rate!

At this rate... (1)

some1somewhere (642060) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237369)

Perhaps I can renumber my CPU from 2.0Ghz to 2.2Ghz?
or hard disk from 80Gb to 90Gb?
or...

heck, why dont I just renumber my good old faithful 486 to a 786?

'Just cause they got 4 legs don't make a cat and dog the same thing'

Uhh.. wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6237372)

Confusing. Whatever.. i'm just going to continue with my policy of using USB for low-speed, peripheral devices, so I don't need USB2. I don't know about you all but i personally prefer my high-speed, high-bandwidth devices, like my drives, to be connected via interfaces that don't use *polling* :P I'm using that CPU for other stuff, thanks..

Same old tricks (3, Funny)

jared_hanson (514797) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237373)

I remember when Microsoft renamed Windows 4 to Windows 95. Mass upgrading occurred as people thought they were 91 sequential versions outdated.

Hmmm... (1)

Dark Lord Seth (584963) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237383)

Well, guess who isn't going to buy that USB memory stick after all! Guess I'll be using floppies for a while longer then, at least they don't try to rip me off claiming a 5,25" is a "Full Speed" floppy while 3,5" are considered to be "Hi-speed". Ah well, thank god we still got PS/2 and the trusty serial and parallel ports. They suck, but at least we won't get ripped of with them. Who said legacy connections are dying?

In other news… (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6237384)

5 1/2 inches is renamed to 9 inches.

USB naming has always been goofy (5, Interesting)

cant_get_a_good_nick (172131) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237386)

My fave is that USB 1.1 tops out at "Full" speed, while faster USB 2.0 is "High" speed. Shouldn't full speed be the fastest? These guys didn't think to forward proof themselves?

Is it OK if... (5, Funny)

mikeophile (647318) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237389)

I pay for the renamed USB laptop with $1 bills that I "renamed" to $100 bills?

Now I understand (1)

read-only (35561) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237390)

It all makes sense now. I was looking for a USB cable at the local computer superstore the other day... and everything was labeled "USB 2". My hardware is a bit older, so I thought it was probable that I had USB 1.1 or something. Not being sure, I swallowed my pride and asked they guy why everything was labeled "USB 2" and what the difference was between USB 2 and USB 1.x.

His repsonse: "Uhhhhh...."

I thought his head was going to explode.

Re:Now I understand (1)

cant_get_a_good_nick (172131) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237427)

See Question 2 from the FAQ [usb.org] .

Adding insult to injury (2, Insightful)

N7DR (536428) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237393)

And if I presented you with a choice of two otherwise identical devices, one of which was labelled "Hi-speed" (sic) and one of which was labelled "Full-speed", you (or the salesman, or Joe Sixpack) would immediately be able to tell which was faster, wouldn't you? What do you mean, you wouldn't?

"High" and "Full" eh? (2, Funny)

ckessel (607295) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237396)

Whoever decided this constituted a reasonable distincation was definitely high on something and full of something else...

Great! (1)

Dr. Bent (533421) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237397)

I guess that means I can just change my first name to "President" and become the leader of my own country. Makes perfect sense. Now all I need to do is find a personal assistant whose last name is "of State" and I can broker my own peace deal in the Middle East.

How do these people sleep at night?

Athlon XP (0, Flamebait)

Jason1729 (561790) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237400)

This is the same sort of marketing that AMD uses with their XP processor speeds. I was watching the computer hour on the home shopping network a few weeks ago (it's funnier than any comedy show), and they were selling an XP 2000+. The sales snake kept emphasizing the "plus" which means it's better than just a normal 2GHz machine.

We, as consumers, allow AMD to get away with deliberately confusing marketing, so why should we be surprised when other organizations do the same thing? My current system is my first Intel since my 286 because I couldn't stand the though of buying into AMD's scheme.

Jason
ProfQuotes [profquotes.com]

Full Speed and Hi-Speed? (1)

xluserpetex (666816) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237403)

Full Speed = 12 Mbps
Hi Speed = 480 Mbps

Shouldn't "Full Speed" be more than "Hi-speed"?

In other news (1)

spaic (473208) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237407)

Intel has decided to rename their Celteron CPU to Intel Xeon, the old Xeon will further on be labeled Xeon Hi-Speed.

stoopid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6237419)

In other words slashdot posts some rumours out of thin air and the editors lack the mental capacity to check up on that. what is next, posts about if nathaly portman has cybernetic implants in her boobs with firewire in her nipples?

What else is new? (1)

Bowie J. Poag (16898) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237421)



Don'tcha just love it when marketing people make engineering decisions?

Java 1.1...Java 1.2.. *NO* wait, that'll never work! Lets call it "Java 2"! That will clear everything up!

Jesus..

Un-professional (5, Insightful)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237425)

Okay, so when I started maintaining my first opensource project many years ago, I pull that one too : I released something one day, version 0.8.0, put it up for download on my web page, announced it and, a day or two later, I figured it was so great that I just changed the version number to 1.0.0 and re-released it. Then later again, I discovered a small typo, so I corrected it, repackaged, and re-released as version 1.0.0 because the change was so small.

Net result ? the last 1.0.0 tarball was broken, and people would send me bug reports regarding 0.8.0 and 1.0.0 and I wouldn't know which was which. There were several different tarballs of the thing with the same version number, or identical tarballs with different version numbers out there on the net and I looked like a bloody idiot. That's when I learned the hard way that when something is released, it's frozen and that's it, and if something changes, it'll be in the next version and too bad if the version I just released sucks.

So USB 1.1 != USB 2 ? well, too bad if some lusers are confused, USB 1.1 is USB 1.1, not USB 2. Even if marketing or support considerations come into play, it's still USB 1.1 feature-wise, not USB 2. Renaming USB 1.1 to USB 2 to con people isn't just a cheap trick, it most importantly shows a complete lack of professionalism, and it's the support people who will have a hard time answering calls about non-working USB 2 devices.

Firewire (5, Informative)

blackmonday (607916) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237431)

If you're doing anything heavy-duty externally, use firewire. USB, whatever flavor, is a bad choice because is host intensive (CPU heavy) and relies on a communication method that is inferior to firewire. Think Carouseling around between devices, versus a direct connection in the case of firewire.

Use USB for your mouse and scanner, for anything heavier use firewire whenever possible.

USB 1.1 is now called 2.0 (1)

Adhemar (679794) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237439)

USB 1.1 is now called 2.0

That's only hyping it by a factor 1.81

I know a company who the called the 4.0 version of its main product Windows 95

That was multiplying the version number by a factor 23.75

Try to beat that!

(In fact, it has beaten itself. There's even a version 2000)

Oh my god, they killed USB 1.1! (1)

Cranx (456394) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237445)

You bastards!

Where have I heard this before... (1)

sootman (158191) | more than 11 years ago | (#6237446)

Oh yeah, now I remember...
Lambert: Excuse me, sir, but before I go, I ought to have told you that Mr Verity does tend to exaggerate. Every figure he gives you will be ten times too high.
Husband: I see.
Verity: Mr Lambert, what is the length of the Comfidown Majorette?
Lambert: Ah. Two foot long.
Husband: Two foot long?
Verity: Yes, remembering of course that you have to multiply everything Mr Lambert says by three... when he says a bed is two foot long, it is in fact sixty foot long, all right?

(Thanks, http://www.humorlinks.com/python/sketches/TheBuyin gtheBedSketch.htm )
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