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The Power Behind the SCO Nuisance

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the luke,-i-am-your-father dept.

Caldera 821

akahige writes "Forbes has a fairly detailed story about the sordid history of The Canopy Group and all the various companies they've sued -- Microsoft (who they beat) and CA (this case is still pending), among them. Before joining Caldera, Darl McBride sued IKON Office Solutions, for whom he worked -- and won. And it also seems that a bunch of Canopy power players also sit on SCO's board of directors. The short summary is, 'these guys are professional litigious bastards -- be exceptionally wary.'" A local user's group is planning a protest for tomorrow. Reader myst564 writes: "After reading all of this SCO press I remembered that SCO once offered up all of their 'Ancient UNIX' (their words, not mine) source to the world while retaining all copyrights (i.e, no OSS license). Interestingly enough it WAS located here but isn't any longer: SCO's Ancient Unix. What's more you can read about the original release here at: Linux Today. I downloaded the source myself way back then but never did anything but delete it! Anyway, check out this comment. It's interesting that this was predicted in 2000!"

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Here's a working "Ancient Unix" link.... (5, Informative)

i_want_you_to_throw_ (559379) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242429)

You did not count on the Way Back machine Herr Doktor SCO?

Here's a working link.. [archive.org]

Enjoy!

Even better, you can still download the code... (5, Interesting)

myst564 (196476) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242480)

Yeah that's right, you can still download the code [planetmirror.com]

Re:Even better, you can still download the code... (4, Interesting)

MickLinux (579158) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242666)

So isn't this the place to start with the MD5 hash checking? I mean, that's something to work with.

Unfortunately, I am *not* a coder any more, and probably don't have the space, and definitely don't have the time to do this. But someone else could.

SCO disicriminates against handicapped unix users! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6242491)

I mean, come on, who's the genius that thought up [CTRL][ALT]{TROLL] to login in the first place?!!!

Re:Here's a working "Ancient Unix" link.... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6242512)

I followed up the same trail as you. Unfortunately, the license cost $100 and there never was a direct download link. The Wayback Machine link just shows you how you could have gotten it, back when it was still offered.

There probably weren't enough takers, even at $100, to pay for the coffee and cokes in the SCO employee lounge. That's how useful "Ancient UNIX" is, other than in the context of the present legal wranglings.

Re:Here's a working "Ancient Unix" link.... (2, Interesting)

mirko (198274) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242514)

These licenses permit hobbyists and enthusiasts to have access to the source code of these historic releases, for personal and non-commercial use, and to share experiences and code updates with other authorized individuals having corresponding licenses. SCO has received numerous favorable responses from UNIX enthusiasts around the world, including messages such as, "Future computer historians will greatly appreciate what you have achieved!" and "I've wanted access to this material for nearly 20 years! Well done!"

The keyword has been put in bold: it now looks more like ibm's problem than Linux problem as Linux is supposed to be exchanged a non-commercial way (even though the GPL predicts a reasonable fee may be asked for in order to amort some expenses)...

Re:Here's a working "Ancient Unix" link.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6242613)

it now looks more like ibm's problem than Linux problem as Linux is supposed to be exchanged a non-commercial way
Nonsense. If you're exchanging it, you're hardly using it in a "personal" way, are you?

FYI (4, Informative)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242592)

"The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. P.O. Box 7745
San Francisco, CA 94120-7745
United States of America"

The current SCO is NOT the same as the former SCO. (Now the Tarantella Group.)

If you read the article, you'll see that the current SCO was formerly Caldera. Caldera bought the Unix rights from SCO, the old SCO became Tarantella (which was one of their products IIRC...), and then Caldera renamed to The SCO Group.

That source offer was made by people with no management connection to McBride...

Re:Here's a working "Ancient Unix" link.... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6242646)

Desktop Linux users should also note this important fact: The Canopy Group also owns Trolltech, makers of the Qt library... which is the basis for KDE. Indeed, TrollTech employs many core KDE developers.

Over the last few years, one of the last resort arguments used by KDE developers faced with the unpleasant truth about Qt has been to claim that TrollTech can be trusted. Clearly this is not so.

Perhaps some explanation is in order. The Qt library is GPL -- which means that anyone wishing to write non-open source applications for the KDE desktop has to pay around $3500 per developer to TrollTech (this is far in excess of the cost of developing Microsoft applications)... not only that, but TrollTech violate the GPL in many ways. In effect, TrollTech (and Canopy/SCO) becomes the gatekeeper and tolltaker of the Linux desktop. And who knows what other litigation they have planned -- not least of which will be the joke of the century, the TrollTech's "promise" regarding the GPLed version of Qt... the Free Qt foundation.

Do not give these vipers anymore ammunition. Do not use software tainted by Qt and TrollTech.

Re:Here's a working "Ancient Unix" link.... (2, Informative)

DataPath (1111) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242661)

It's still up at caldera.com
Here's a link to their license:
http://shop.caldera.com/caldera/ancient. html

PLEASE!! IT'S GNU/SCO (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6242431)

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Re:PLEASE!! IT'S GNU/SCO (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6242442)

Looks like you spent a little too much time oogling goatse.cx and missed out on the frist psot.

I've been hypnotizezed! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6242519)

The eye... it keeps STARING at me!
I feel that it can see into the depths of my soul!

Re: I've been hypnotizezed! (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242587)


> The eye... it keeps STARING at me! I feel that it can see into the depths of my soul!

No, the 'O' in 'SCO' isn't an eye.

And it's you that's "staring into the depths"!

Re:PLEASE!! IT'S GNU/SCO (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6242525)

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What in the fuck is goatex ? Will someone please explain.

Re:PLEASE!! IT'S GNU/SCO (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6242566)

I'd be happy to enlighten you..

There's a FAQ on the myterious gotex here [goatse.cx] . It will explain evertything.

Re:PLEASE!! IT'S GNU/SCO (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6242591)

I thought it was a brand of tampons for goats.

Turns out it's actually a firm that breeds goats in New Zeland. No, really! [kikogoats.com]

Then the company sounds parasitic. (5, Interesting)

zptdooda (28851) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242434)

Itâ(TM)s a small fish that feeds on big fish. Not symbiotically either.

âBut it is very good at getting what it wants from other companies.â

Thatâ(TM)s because (law) practise makes perfect.

So then SCO isnâ(TM)t suing IBM because IBM is illegally interfering with implementing their business model, suing (IBM in this case) is their business model.

What then are they really contributing? Is SCO really a software company? What is it? Maybe it contributes within Canopy, but not for a wider good.

Re:Then the company sounds parasitic. (1)

Yohahn (8680) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242571)

I understand that once upon a time, you were required to show you were working for the public good in order to be given articles of incorporation.

Is there any way to legaly recind their articles of incorporation?

What happened to those days?

Re:Then the company sounds parasitic. (3, Insightful)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242574)

So then SCO isnâ(TM)t suing IBM because IBM is illegally interfering with implementing their business model, suing (IBM in this case) is their business model.

Hopefully, this is where common sense kicks in during the suit. Let's say SCO actually wins its suit against IBM. The damage award would become hotly contested, with each side throwing out their fictitious numbers to be considered. Since SCO is the plaintiff here, they have to put a dollar value on the damages first, and $1 billion just sounds mammoth, but not totally out of this world, considering that IBM is a $20 billion a year company.

Are they contributing anything to the IS industry? Of course not. But this is America, dammit, where playing the victim can often be the quickest means to success.

Re:Then the company sounds parasitic. (0, Troll)

Seahawk (70898) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242582)

Can anyone please tell me what impact this has on europeans???

As I see it the americans can continue with their sillyness, but none of this would come far in an european court!

So feel free american society - Get rid of the opertunity of using linux - that might even make the IT industry in Europe a bit more competitive!

Re: Then the company sounds parasitic. (5, Insightful)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242655)


> What then are they really contributing? Is SCO really a software company? What is it?

Sounds like the so-called "technology firm" - a bunch of lawyers with a big patent portfolio and nothing better to do for society than shake down innocent passers-by, and use the proceeds to buy up more patents.

Feeling brave??? (5, Funny)

monkey_tennis (649997) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242443)

Quote: "these guys are professional litigious bastards"

Given the statement that's a fairly brave thing to say in a public forum :)

Ooooh. Scarrry. (1)

BWJones (18351) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242444)

The short summary is, 'these guys are professional litigious bastards -- be exceptionally wary.

I guess this might make more than a few folks here leery of posting anything critical of these bastards eh?

This is great news for Linux (4, Insightful)

PhysicsGenius (565228) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242447)

No wait, hear me out.

The GPL has never been tested in court. SCO's claim that they own the Linux source code is clearly ridiculous--how can a person own an idea? So there's no doubt in my mind that Linux will emerge victorious in the end, which makes GPL, and therefore GPL/Linux, even stronger!

So bring it on, we welcome the test! Any thoughts?

Re:This is great news for Linux (5, Insightful)

ldspartan (14035) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242498)

I disagree. This court case will not be a test of the GPL at all, it will be a test of the lawyers on either side. My understanding is that SCO alleges that IBM breached their license of whatever it is that SCO owns and inserted it into the Linux kernel. It has nothing to do with the GPL, and the case promises to be so mind numbingly complex that little quality case law will come out of it.

I used to think of SCO as a drunk in a knife fight, wildly stabbing about in the hope of drawing blood. This article indicates to me its more like a duel between two masters. I now understand why IBM has been so slow to act in this case, they understand their opponent and are preparing for a fierce battle.

This is very much bad news.

--
lds

Re:This is great news for Linux (1)

HBI (604924) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242658)

A fight between lawyers is not like a duel.

The more closely matched the combatants, the more likely a compromise emerges. The problem for SCO is that a compromise doesn't help them at all. They need a solid win.

Just watch with interest, nothing else you can do anyway.

God, not again (3, Insightful)

siskbc (598067) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242521)

Let's not, eh? A weak test isn't a test. And I don't really think IBM gives that much of a shit about the GPL compared to beating the shit out of SCO. Also, as mentioned ad nauseam on here, allowing SCO to even make the braindead contention that the GPL screwed their IP could be nothing but bad for Linux in general. Look, if SCO's CEO says the GPL screwed them, other companies' CEO's might listen and prevent their CIO's from implementing linux. We'd just as soon avoid that, I expect.

Re:This is great news for Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6242616)

Boy, are you off base.

You sound a lot like the fabled north american natives that gave their land away for trinkets thinking the Europeans were idiots for giving their stuff away. "Who can own a tree?".

Obvious opportunity (5, Funny)

worst_name_ever (633374) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242451)

these guys are professional litigious bastards

Thanks for the libel, we were wondering who we were going to sue today. See you in court!

Sincerely,
The SCO Corporation

Re:Obvious opportunity (4, Insightful)

tuffy (10202) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242488)

Thanks for the libel, we were wondering who we were going to sue today. See you in court!

It's only libel if it's not true. And it'll be hard to prove one isn't a professional litigious bastard while suing someone else for being called that :)

SCO - Abhor, Junk, Ignore?? (1)

jkrise (535370) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242455)

All of the above.

Please... let's get the 'right' SCO pulicity in here please. Not alarmist Forbes articles.

Mmmmm (-1, Offtopic)

judzillah (623267) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242456)

Linux crunchies. Is that a cerial?

Re:Mmmmm (5, Insightful)

ksheff (2406) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242600)

The Linux @ Work section on Forbes seems to be authored by pro-MS people. To them, linux is something only fanatics use. Unfortunately, it appears that most of what they are currently suing over was done by them before their current lawsuit happy management was in charge. It's bad when you wish Ransom Love was back in charge of Caldera/SCO/whatever they want to be called.

Impressive !!! (4, Interesting)

da5idnetlimit.com (410908) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242462)

Bill Baxter - Subject: Not Open Source, I'm afraid. ( Feb 23, 2000, 00:01:50 )
Note that these releases are not open source. SCO retain rights to the source code. Maybe they even hope that some of their code will wind up in linux, so that they can then sue, and render the Linux license terms invalid. Or would they be that spiteful? My guess == yes.

Really a good hunch, this one...

But, even if they retain the rights, the fact they had them published publicly make the source open knowledge, no ?

Re:Impressive !!! (3, Informative)

Xentax (201517) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242533)

Hit the "wayback" links and read the License Agreement SCO was offering these sources under.

It's sufficiently restrictive such that you most certainly can't copy the code into a GPL'd product -- not legally, at least.

Of course, that's assuming the source SCO's providing you (for 100 bucks, by and large) is your ONLY way of accessing the code. The case IBM and the Linux community at large will make (I'm pretty sure) is that the violations SCO claims are NOT violations because SCO's code wasn't the only means of obtaining that code, or at least the algorithms in question.

Xentax

Re:Impressive !!! (1)

bmongar (230600) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242542)

Yes, it makes it public knowledge, but that is only an issue in trade secrets not copyright.

The lyrics to songs are public knowledge but you can't perform in public without paying the artists association.

Re:Impressive !!! (2, Informative)

JanneM (7445) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242575)

Their suit against IBM is based largely on trade secret missappropriation. So it is very relevant, should any of those "trade secrets" turn out to be in that code.

Re:Impressive !!! (2, Interesting)

Ender Ryan (79406) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242544)

But, even if they retain the rights, the fact they had them published publicly make the source open knowledge, no?

IANAL, but no, probably not. But any trade secret claims they have that are in that code would be void I think.

Re:Impressive !!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6242647)

Unfortunately not. Doesn't work that way. Besides they had a statement you had to agree to before you could download the source:

These licenses permit hobbyists and enthusiasts to have access to the source code of these historic releases, for personal and non-commercial use, and to share experiences and code updates with other authorized individuals having corresponding licenses. SCO has received numerous favorable responses from UNIX enthusiasts around the world, including messages such as, "Future computer historians will greatly appreciate what you have achieved!" and "I've wanted access to this material for nearly 20 years! Well done!"

Re:Impressive !!! (1)

Arker (91948) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242656)

But, even if they retain the rights, the fact they had them published publicly make the source open knowledge, no

My understanding is it wouldn't affect copyright, but it does nullify any trade secret status. Which is what they're suing IBM over, after all...

I got a plan!! (3, Funny)

MongooseCN (139203) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242464)

Lets all invest our money in SCOs stock!! Then they are guaranteed to tank and go out of business in no time! It's time we made this tech bubble burst work FOR us.

Re:I got a plan!! (4, Funny)

Tenebrious1 (530949) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242579)

Lets all invest our money in SCOs stock!! Then they are guaranteed to tank and go out of business in no time! It's time we made this tech bubble burst work FOR us.

Hell, why not just get all /.ers to toss in $20 and BUY SCO? Then we could forget about all this crap and get on with news that really matters... (what's Natalie up to these days?).

For the /.'ed (2, Informative)

Gortbusters.org (637314) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242466)

This is what Linux Today says:

Santa Cruz Operations often referred to as "SCO" but known internally as "S-C-O" has made a number of straight UNIX source codes available to the public. The source code for:

Mini UNIX
UNIX V6
PWB UNIX
UNIX V7 (which also covers Editions 1-5, and the 32V)

Re:For the /.'ed (1)

Maserati (8679) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242541)

Well, there aren't any trade scerets in this stuff (anymore).

I'm saving a copy for posterity.

Re:For the /.'ed (1)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242641)

Well, there aren't any trade scerets in this stuff (anymore).
...since they were all leaked to the Linux kernel. ;)

[attn mods: note the winky; thanks]

WHO CARES?!? (-1)

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Uphil Battle (2, Insightful)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242484)

Well IMHO...

SCO is going to have a harder time making a case because the Linux community is EXTREMELY tech savvy and we are past the beginning of the information age. Most people absorb info pertaining to topics of interest on a daily basis and geeks even more so.

Should the GPL or Linux be in danger, you have a couple million experts out there waiting to testify or share evidence AGAINST SCO. Though the may be litigious geniuses, they are fighting an uphill battle.

Re:Uphil Battle (2, Insightful)

ldspartan (14035) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242558)

They don't have to convince the Linux community, they have to convince 12 jurors and a judge. (And appeals courts, but who's counting.)

Oh, and you'd be surprised at the barrier of entry for being an expert witness.

I really don't think the community will be of any use in this case.

More Power to SCO (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6242485)

I thoroughly enjoy watching Linux be destroyed.

The Gay Linux Conspiracy will be forever ended.

Linux is un-American, pro-commie bullshit.
Linux is the OS of choice for Sexual Deviants, losers
and islamic terrorists, time for it to die.

LinuxToday link (seems slow .. here's the text) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6242493)

Bill Baxter - Subject: Not Open Source, I'm afraid. ( Feb 23, 2000, 00:01:50 )

Note that these releases are not open source. SCO retain rights to the source code. Maybe they even hope that some of their code will wind up in linux, so that they can then sue, and render the Linux license terms invalid. Or would they be that spiteful? My guess == yes.

Low-hanging fruit gone? (3, Interesting)

IceAgeComing (636874) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242502)

There once was a time when anyone wanting to get rich quick could join the Bureau of Indian Affairs or start a railroad. I guess those times are gone and stepping on toes is becoming the order of the day.

I'm trying to remain positive and think that this is part of an evolution toward revolution. Maybe someday we as a society can shame these people away.

Mormons Attack SCO Building!! (-1)

pkcs11 (529230) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242508)

They want to keep BYU UUG uninvolved, but use BYU UUG to organize the event? I'm calling the press out on that one.

Fairness is what is going to get linux killed (5, Insightful)

peripatetic_bum (211859) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242509)

These guys in Utah are no dummies. The crunchies in the Linux community should be paying more attention.

I know which side I'm on, and I know everyone is pretty sure they know what side they are on, but I cant help getting the feeling that Linux side is relying way to much on the Fair principle and forgetting that it is quite difference from Justice in the legal systems.

What I am trying to say is that
Justice does not equal Fairness.
Ie It may not be Fair what SCO is trying to pull, but the legal courts are also concerned with what is Just and in this we are talking money and if the legal courts are about anything, they are about money. Making sure there are legal grounds to protect property (money).

Thus, What I see is the linux community simply yelling ,"That's not Fair!" while SCO continues to pound away. How many of us had the "Life-isnt-always-Fair" revelation?

Is the Linux community about to get the same?

Trolltech [QT Makers] is owned by those guys? (3, Interesting)

dexterace (68362) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242527)

If you take a look on their homepage [canopy.com] , you can spot TrollTech's Logo! What are the interests of these people in TrollTech and QT?

Re:Trolltech [QT Makers] is owned by those guys? (1)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242589)

hmm ... they fund them ? :-)

Yup (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242645)

If you read the article you will see that TrollTech is indeed owned by the Canopy Group.

Why am I not surprised?

Given the TrollTechSCO/Caldera connection, KDE could be in for a world of hurt...

Re:Trolltech [QT Makers] is owned by those guys? (2, Informative)

MonkeyBoyUk (682144) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242615)

Looking at Trolltech's site and using their search facility you can find references to SCO as a supported platform of QT, nothing too scary.

For example: TMake 1.3 Release Notes [trolltech.com]

Re:Trolltech [QT Makers] is owned by those guys? (0)

broeman (638571) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242663)

I didn't find anything on Trolltech's homepage, but their portfolio could show ownership of shares, not full ownership of companies. Maybe they own 10%?

Do the Right Thing? (1)

biddlej (445351) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242528)

It would also be nice if we could get someone with a boom box pumping out "the Free Software song."

If I were them, I'd stay away from Sal's Pizzeria with that boom box.

Joining the protest? (5, Informative)

lynx_user_abroad (323975) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242529)

From the protest link:

To close, let me re-iterate that this needs to stay legal:

1) Go onto their property
2) Talk to ANY customers entering and leaving the premesis
3) Disturb normal business activities
4) Block traffic or people on the sidewalk

Perhaps there was meant to be a NOT in there somewhere?

Also... (4, Interesting)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242543)


> And it also seems that a bunch of Canopy power players also sit on SCO's board of directors. The short summary is, 'these guys are professional litigious bastards -- be exceptionally wary.'

I can't find the link, but someone posted to one of the (many) Slashdot SCO stories last week with a link showing that about half a dozen board members had bought large numbers of shares at greatly discounted prices just a few weeks before SCO gave IBM the original ultimatum. (When I say "discounted" I mean far below even the 60Â/share that SCOX was worth back then.)

Coincidence?

Someone please post that link again, if you have it.

Re:Also... (1)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242627)

Heh. Given the Feds' aggressive approach to high-profile insider trading (granted, none of these people are famous in their own right, as Martha Stewart is, but they've made themselves famous, or at least infamous, by going after IBM) that seems like a pretty clear-cut method of counterattack for Big Blue. "Your honor, we move for dismissal on the grounds that the plaintiffs are currently under FTC investigation ..."

SCO Ancient Unix Software License Agreement (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6242548)

SCO Ancient Unix
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1.7 SOURCE CODE means COMPUTER PROGRAMS written in certain programming languages in electronic media form and in a form convenient for reading and review by a trained individual, such
as a printed or written listing of programs, containing specific algorithms, instructions, plans, routines and the like, for controlling the operation of a computer system, but which is not in a form that would be suitable for execution directly on computer hardware.

1.8 SOURCE CODE PRODUCT means a SCO software offering, primarily in SOURCE CODE form. Such offering may also include OBJECT CODE components.

1.9 SUCCESSOR OPERATING SYSTEM means a SCO software offering that is (i) specifically designed for a 16-Bit computer, or (ii) the 32V version, and (iii) specifically excludes UNIX System V and
successor operating systems.

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includes the right to modify such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT and to prepare DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT based on such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT, provided that any such modification or DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT that contains any part of a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT subject to this
AGREEMENT is treated hereunder the same as such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT. SCO claims no ownership interest in any portion of such a modification or DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT that is not part of a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT.

(b) Personal use is limited to noncommercial uses. Any such use made in connection with the development of enhancements or modifications to SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS is permitted only if (i) neither the results of such use nor any enhancement or modification so developed is intended primarily for the benefit
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(c) LICENSEE may produce printed and on-line copies of documentation included with the SOURCE CODE PRODUCT as necessary for use with the DESIGNATED CPUs. All copies must include a legally sufficient copyright notice and a statement that the documents include a portion or all of SCO's copyrighted documentation, which is being reproduced with permission.

(d) Commercial use by LICENSEE of SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS or of any result, enhancement or modification associated with the use of SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS under this AGREEMENT is not permitted. Such commercial use is permissible only pursuant to the terms of an appropriate commercial software agreement between SCO or a corporate affiliate thereof and LICENSEE. For purposes of this AGREEMENT, commercial use includes, but is not limited to, furnishing copies to third parties in a manner not permitted by Section 8.4(b).

(e) SCO also grants LICENSEE a personal, nontransferable and nonexclusive right to make copies of DERIVED BINARY PRODUCTS and, subject to U. S. Government export requirements and to Section 8.4(b), to furnish such copies directly to other LICENSEES who have an equivalent Software License with SCO before or at the time of furnishing each copy of a DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT.

2.2 (a) Any notice acknowledging a contribution of a third party appearing in a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT shall be included in corresponding portions of DERIVED BINARY PRODUCTS made by LICENSEE.

(b) Each portion of a DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT shall include an appropriate copyright notice. Such copyright notice may be the copyright notice or notices appearing in or on the corresponding portions of the SOURCE CODE PRODUCT on which such DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT is based or, if copyrightable changes are made in developing such DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT, a copyright notice
identifying the owner of such changes.

2.3 No right is granted hereunder to use any trademark of SCO (or a corporate affiliate thereof). However, LICENSEE must state in packaging, labeling or otherwise that a DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT is derived from SCO's software under license from SCO and identify such software (including any trademark, provided the proprietor of the trademark is appropriately identified). LICENSEE agrees not to use a name or trademark for a DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT that is confusingly similar to a name or trademark used by SCO (or a corporate affiliate thereof).

2.4 A single back-up CPU may be used as a substitute for the DESIGNATED CPU without notice to SCO during any time when such DESIGNATED CPU is inoperative because it is malfunctioning or undergoing repair, maintenance or other modification.

3. LICENSED SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS

The SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS to which SCO grants rights under this AGREEMENT are restricted to the following UNIX Operating Systems, including SUCCESSOR OPERATING SYSTEMs, that operate on the 16-Bit PDP-11 CPU and early versions of the 32-Bit UNIX Operating System with specific exclusion of UNIX System V and successor operating systems:

16-Bit UNIX Editions 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 32-bit 32V

4. DELIVERY

SCO makes no guarantees or commitments that any SOURCE CODE PRODUCT is available from SCO. If available, and upon acceptance by LICENSEE of the terms of this AGREEMENT, SCO will provide LICENSEE one (1) copy of such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT via its FTP site established for such purpose.

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5.2 LICENSEE acknowledges that the SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS, the media, and any immediate product (including processes) produced directly by the use of any such SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS are subject to export controls under the U.S. Export Administration Regulations and the export regulations of other countries. LICENSEE may not export or re-export, directly or indirectly, the SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS, the media, any related technical information or materials covered by this AGREEMENT, or any immediate product (including processes) produced directly by the use of any such SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS to any country that is in violation of U.S. Export Administration Regulations and/or the export regulations of other countries unless an appropriate authorization from the U.S. Commerce Department and any other relevant government authority has been obtained.

5.3 LICENSEE agrees that its obligations under Sections 5.1 and 5.2 shall survive and continue after any termination of rights under this AGREEMENT.

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6.2 LICENSEE shall pay all taxes (and any related interest or penalty), however designated, imposed as a result of the existence or operation of this AGREEMENT, except (i) any tax imposed upon SCO (or a corporate affiliate thereof) in the jurisdiction in which LICENSEE is located if such tax is allowable as a credit against United States income taxes of SCO (or such an affiliate) and (ii) any income tax imposed upon SCO (or such an affiliate) by the United States or any governmental entity within the United States proper (the fifty (50) states and the District of Columbia). To assist in obtaining the credit identified in (i) of this Section 6.2, LICENSEE shall furnish SCO with such evidence as may be required by United States taxing authorities to establish that any such tax has been paid. If SCO is required to collect a tax to be paid by LICENSEE, LICENSEE shall pay such tax to SCO on demand.

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7.2 LICENSEE may terminate its rights under this AGREEMENT by written notice to SCO certifying that LICENSEE has discontinued use of and returned or destroyed, at SCO's option, all copies of SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS subject to this AGREEMENT.

7.3 If LICENSEE fails to fulfill one or more of its obligations under this AGREEMENT, SCO may, upon its election and in addition to any other remedies it might have, at any time terminate all the rights granted by it hereunder to LICENSEE. Upon such termination LICENSEE shall immediately discontinue use of and return or destroy, at SCO's option, all copies of SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS in its possession.

7.4 In the event of termination of LICENSEE's rights under Sections 7.2 or 7.3, (i) all fees that LICENSEE has become obligated to pay shall become immediately due and payable and (ii) SCO shall have no obligation to refund any amounts paid to it hereunder.

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8.5 On SCO's request, but not more frequently than annually, LICENSEE shall furnish to SCO a statement, listing the location, type and serial number of the DESIGNATED CPU hereunder and stating that the use by LICENSEE of SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS subject to this AGREEMENT has been reviewed and that each such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT is being used solely on the DESIGNATED CPU (or temporarily on a back-up CPU) for such SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS in full compliance with the provisions of this AGREEMENT.

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Oh my fucking GOD! ( (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6242594)

I can't believe I FINALLY got FIRST POST

They still running GNU/Linux (5, Interesting)

lederhosen (612610) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242560)

OS, Web Server and Hosting History for sco.com
OS Server Last changed IP address Netblock Owner
Linux Apache/1.3.14 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.7.1 OpenSSL/0.9.6 PHP/4.3.2-RC 17-Jun-2003 216.250.140.112 NFT
Linux Apache/1.3.14 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.7.1 OpenSSL/0.9.6 PHP/4.0.3pl1 28-Nov-2002 216.250.140.112 NFT
Linux Apache/1.3.14 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.7.1 OpenSSL/0.9.6 PHP/4.0.3pl1 12-Aug-2002 216.250.140.125 NFT
SCO UNIX Netscape-FastTrack/2.01 26-Mar-2002 132.147.210.109 Caldera, Inc.
SCO UNIX unknown 24-Mar-2002 132.147.210.109 Caldera, Inc.
SCO UNIX Netscape-FastTrack/2.01 10-Oct-2001 132.147.210.109 Caldera, Inc.
SCO UNIX Netscape-Enterprise/2.01 30-Mar-2001 209.1.8.14 Cable & Wireless
SCO UNIX unknown 29-Mar-2001 209.1.8.14 Cable & Wireless
SCO UNIX Netscape-Enterprise/2.01 23-Dec-2000 209.1.8.14 Cable & Wireless
SCO UNIX unknown 22-Dec-2000 209.1.8.14 Cable & Wireless

Re:They still running GNU/Linux (1)

will_die (586523) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242604)

However if you goto the site where they are hosting all the lawsuit stuff it is being done on IIS.

Support (1)

Kai_MH (632216) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242569)

I may not be able to attend the protest/demonstration, but they have no full support, whether they use legal or illegal actions while doing so.

Why SCO will prevail in lawsuit (4, Funny)

ReelOddeeo (115880) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242577)

It has now become clear to me that SCO has a very good chance of winning every single one of their claims.

By observing the public statements made almost daily by SCO and their spokespeople, the secret of their strategy has emerged and I now clearly see it. There is a very real and serious danger here.

Really, I must hand it to SCO. A brilliant legal strategy.

I don't believe the open source community has previously contemplated this particular type of legal attack.

SCO's strategy is simply this: they will win all claims, because IBM's lawyers will be unable to present a good defense, because IBM's lawyers are unable to concentrate, due to their inability to stop laughing. This will be especially unfavorable if this laughing behavior carries over into the courtroom.

Instructions for obtaining a license... (1)

Anti Frozt (655515) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242580)

After reading the instructions for obtaining a license, this piece caught my attention.

  • These licenses permit hobbyists and enthusiasts to have access to the source code of these historic releases, for personal and non-commercial use, and to share experiences and code updates with other authorized individuals having corresponding licenses.

So let's say everyone who has worked on Linux obtained these licenses. Wouldn't this allow them to freely share the code with each other. Question is, can IBM's contributions to Linux be classified as non-commercial use?

Also, does this cover the "infringing code" that SCO claims IBM copied?

Top 3 things SCO/Caldera learned from Linux (1)

johnthorensen (539527) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242581)

3) Licenses are more powerful than any other known force in existence in the whole wide world.

2) You don't exactly have to *sell* software to make money in software.

and the Number One thing SCO/Caldera learned from Linux....

WORLD DOMINATION!

Laugh. It's funny.

-JT

Enough yet, tough guy? (-1, Interesting)

Theodore Logan (139352) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242586)

Take this! Now take that! Not so tough anymore, huh? And there's more where that came from! Here's one more for ya! C'mon, get up!

You may think I'm trying to portay the SCO-IBM dabble here, but it's actually more of a description of how I personally feel with regards to this neverending stream of similar Slashdot frontpage SCO-IBM Round SorryLostCountAlready stories.

We need an icon for this. And if we can have games.slashdot.org and mac.slashdot.org, why not an IBMandSCOfightitout.slashdot.org? And why even stop there? Maybe "news for nerds, stuff that matters" is a little to general these days? I propose "news about the SCO-IBM fight, stuff about the SCO-IBM fight." Maybe even the name Slashdot is in need of a revision? Poll-fodder, definitely.

PS. Yeah yeah, IBM is not even mentioned in the write up, but who cares? This is Slashdot, nobody reads further than the title anyway. What, they're not mentioned there either? Aw, I was exaggerating anyway: people don't read the title either.

Start planning for withdrawal symptoms... (4, Funny)

jazman (9111) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242598)

Never mind that stuff about decaffeinated coffee. What about weaning people onto deSCOffeinated Slashdot once this is all over? There'll be millions of geeks worldwide going "need..... SCO...... news......." and shaking.

poor Tux (4, Interesting)

KingRamsis (595828) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242602)

it is ironic that the OSS movement main goal is to avoid corporate lock down and give freedom for the end user.
...until Tux became the darling of IBM and that dragged us into a sleazy corprate war, i think the whole matter stinks especially when lawyers creep in.
Maybe its time to question the benefit of corporate support to Linux.
IIRC SCO said that whatever IBM put into the kernel magically turned Linux from a "toy bicycle" OS to an enterprise grade OS, and in another /. article the source code that found its way to the kernel was like 60 lines of code, so I'm suppose to believe that 60 lines of code is all what is needed to make an enterprise OS out of a toy OS?
yeah sure..

So, now we know the real reason for fear... (5, Interesting)

tizzyD (577098) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242612)

It's not the legitimacy of the case, whether or not IP was stolen from SCO. It's all about lawyers, people who make their money be suing, buying, and financially bullying others. Thus, I predict there is no real IP violation here. The reality is that the case is vague enough and can be argued effectively by effectively lawyers to make it look like there is a violation. Whether or not there is one or not is immaterials, not germaine to the case.

Does this strategy perhaps demonstrate the lack of any real basis to the case? Or is it that the case is vague enough so that there's the opportuninity for legal FUD to churn cash?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Oh my fucking GOD! ( Score 11, Really Offtopic ) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6242623)

I can't believe I FINALLY got FIRST POST

Canopy companies business practices (4, Insightful)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242622)

Canopy companies sometimes share more than a common parent. They form joint ventures and buy and sell one another's stock.

So they're buying each other's stocks, raising the prices and then selling them to outsiders at a profit.

In this cozy company, SCO even leases its office space from Canopy--a fact disclosed in Securities and Exchange Commission filings, along with the fact that SCO's chief financial officer, Robert Bench, has a side job as a partner in a Utah consulting firm that last year billed SCO for $71,200.

So they're renting space from the parent company, at possibly below market rates, making their own profits look bigger OR at above market rates making the parent companies profits look bigger.

But I'm confused how the CFO, who has a fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders of SCO, can also be a partner of a company (hence having a fiduciary responsibility to his partners) that consults for SCO. He has cross-loyalties. Either the contracts with the firm are too generous, benefiting his partners at the expense of the shareholders OR the contracts are too strict screwing over his partners to the benefit fo the shareholders.

Re:Canopy companies business practices (2, Insightful)

Vengeance (46019) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242670)

Mmmm, sounds like a corporate scandal waiting to explode.

How do we get the SEC ticked off at 'em?

duplicate post! (-1, Troll)

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Stickup Artist (1)

Michael_Burton (608237) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242634)

Forbes' account of Darl McBride's history of contributions to the world of technology has given me some perspective, and a lot more insight. I finally understand where McBride's coming from.

Who'da thunk that the man was a stickup artist?

Oh my fucking GOD! ( Score 11, Really Offtopic ) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6242660)

I still can't believe I FINALLY got FIRST POST

The mafia way. (1, Funny)

macdaddy357 (582412) | more than 10 years ago | (#6242659)

That article revealed the names of people IBM could easily deal with the mafia way...

"SCO is basically owned and run by The Canopy Group, a Utah firm with investments in dozens of companies. Canopy's chief executive, Ralph J. Yarro III, is chairman of SCO's board of directors and engineered the suit against Microsoft in 1996. Darcy Mott, Canopy's chief financial officer, is another SCO director, along with Thomas Raimondi, chief executive of a Canopy company called MTI Technology (nasdaq: MTIC - news - people ). In this cozy company, SCO even leases its office space from Canopy--a fact disclosed in Securities and Exchange Commission filings, along with the fact that SCO's chief financial officer, Robert Bench, has a side job as a partner in a Utah consulting firm that last year billed SCO for $71,200."

Buy 'em a pair of concrete shoes, and make 'em sleep with the fishes. I don't think these guys have any idea who they are messing with. Some of the guys at IBM are not boy scouts. Capiche?

Said it once, I'll say it again... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6242671)

If you all are so sure SCO is going to lose this court case, and that the executives are doing a pump-and-dump stock scheme,

Short sell their stock. If its value goes down, you make money.

Its value has about quintupled since this whole thing began. You could stand to nearly double money you short sell into SCOX if you're right.

Pbbbbt. You can put your money where your mouth is.

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