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Senator Orrin Hatch a Pirate?

CowboyNeal posted more than 11 years ago | from the kettle-retorts-to-pot dept.

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Stigmata669 writes "Remember a few days ago when Senator Orrin Hatch decided that software piracy was punishable by destruction of computers? Well a bored and unemployed Sys. Admin in Houston smelled a rat when he was rooting through Hatch's website source. As it turns out Sen. Hatch is a common software pirate himself."

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I live in utah (0)

dextr0us (565556) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249687)

I live in utah, and i'm glad to say, i don't think orrin hatch will recieve another term.

Re:I live in utah (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249753)

You're an idiot. I live in utah too and even though Orrin Hatch is scum, the only way he won't be reelected is if he decides not to run.

Not to mention the fact that the seniority system in the senate pretty much means that if he isn't elected utah takes a hit as far as influence goes. Not that utah has a lot of influence, but he is the most influential utah politician in washington right now.

Re:I live in utah (5, Informative)

sunoxen (414996) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249830)

I'm also from Utah, an ardent Democrat, and there's no chance in hell Hatch will be kicked out of office.

The problem is that he already has a ton of power and pull in Washington where seniority rules. He's chairman of the most esteemed committee in Washington, and has blessing from the Church.

The only person that has a shot to beat him is someone like Rocky Anderson, Salt Lake's Mayor, (also featured on Insomniac tonight) and they would make him out to be the next coming of the devil. After all, he's for (shock) environmental concern, and civil liberties! Utah is a recessive state. Or at least for now...

Face it, Utah politics is as complacent as it gets, and probably why Orrin can say this kind of silliness and get away with it.

Re:I live in utah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249851)

How can you be so sure?
This is his fifth term!
http://www.senate.gov/~hatch/index.cfm?Fuse Action= Biography.Home

Re:I live in utah (0, Redundant)

uncoveror (570620) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249868)

First he advocates committing a crime, destruction of private property to combat piracy, then it turns out he is a pirate. Senator Hatch should be censured.

yes, he is a pirate (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249688)

a butt pirate.

you know (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249723)

Calling Orrin Hatch a butt pirate on slashdot has pretty much been the highlight of my day.

It was very cathartic.

Re:yes, he is a pirate (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249850)

seeing as how he's in utah, maybe a butte pirate?

Shiver me timbers! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249689)

Ready... aim... Fire! [senate.gov] Slashdot him!

Information for Masons (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249732)

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renounce the blasphemy and rejection of the deity of Jesus Christ, and
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masonry, the Grand Inspector Commander. I renounce all the gods and
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Re:Shiver me timbers! (4, Insightful)

Ice_Balrog (612682) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249824)

First of all, it probably wouldn't work. I would bet that the US Government has plenty of bandwidth.
Second, if you were to take that site down, you would take down every senator's site, including the sites of some good senators. Its isn't right to do that just because of one dumbass senator.

If you think that's bad... (5, Funny)

Infernon (460398) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249690)

If you think being a pirate was his only crime, think again-- he's charging 15.98 for his CD's [altapacific.com] !!! That's just robbery!!!

Re:If you think that's bad... (1)

rekkanoryo (676146) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249711)

That's not robbery. That's highway robbery.

He's the Dread Pirate Robberts! (4, Funny)

beldraen (94534) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249770)

..because no one would be afraid of the dread pirate Orin!

Re:He's the Dread Pirate Robberts! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249840)

this is in referance to one of the best movies ever, The Princess Bride...

not the fire swamp!

Oh no! (-1, Offtopic)

The_dev0 (520916) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249692)

Someone set her up the bomb!

Sensationalism... (5, Insightful)

RobPiano (471698) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249693)

The article title is just alittle bit senstational... The senator's web designer didn't register *free* software (you have to pay for commerical use only). He was in violation of the software license. Obviously nobody on slashdot has ever violated a software license (if not please direct me to all that shareware you registered in under 30 days).

It hardly damages his stance against downloading music.

I'd say the only thing really damaging there is that he's from Utah.

Oh well, keep fighting the good fight.
-Rob

Re:Sensationalism... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249703)

We aren't public officials calling for the destruction of copyright violaters. He is, and that's what he's guilty of. It doesn't matter if the software is free if you violate the license (as in GPL violations).

MPU (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249714)

You're right. Hatch isn't the pirate, his web designer is, but it doesn't make it any less funny and ironic. :P

Mr. Hatch to Mr. Web Decorator (4, Funny)

SunPin (596554) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249821)

(Avoiding the filter is an art. Art rules.)

YOU ARE SO FIRED!

(had to do it)

Re:Sensationalism... (5, Insightful)

SirGeek (120712) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249719)

The article title is just alittle bit senstational... The senator's web designer didn't register *free* software (you have to pay for commerical use only). He was in violation of the software license.

And ?

This is no different from what he's claiming everyone else is. He IS a commercial site (He isn't someone doing their family web site). He is a "commercial" entity (in a broad sense). He's using it to promote his "business" (politics).

I would simply notify the creator of the JS stuff and have them get charges brought up on violating their IP (use the DMCA since it is act 1st, think later).

Re:Sensationalism... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249759)

RTFA. It is free for non-profit use. The frickin company that makes the software even agrees that he doesnt have to pay. The only thing wrong is that his webmaster forgot to register the freeware like the license requires.

Re:Sensationalism... (1)

modecx (130548) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249866)

Yes, it is free for Non-Profit use, but Hatch's site didn't qualify.

[snip from the wired article]
When contacted Thursday, Woolley said the company that maintains the senator's site had e-mailed Milonic to begin the registration process. Woolley said the code added to Hatch's site after the issue came to light met some -- but not all -- of Milonic's licensing requirements.

RTFA yourself, YSOB.

Re:Sensationalism... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249760)

If you bothered to RTFA you would have read that the creator WAS notified:

"They're using our code," Woolley said Wednesday. "We've had no contact with them. They are in breach of our licensing terms."

Re:Sensationalism... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249799)

By definition politics is not commercial.

Re:Sensationalism... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249823)

You obviously don't understand today's politics...

Cf. haliburton, enron, microsoft, music industry, media...need I go on?

Re:Sensationalism... (1)

Phosphor3k (542747) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249817)

Non-Profit Business. RTFA, Ass.

Re:Sensationalism... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249846)

Judging by the way he lines his pockets with RI money, wouldn't you call his appointment a for-profit business? :)

Re:Sensationalism... (3, Informative)

timeOday (582209) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249853)

No, it is not a commercial site. However, the copyright owner still had requirements (registration), which Hatch's staff did not meet. But the fact that registration rather than money was required is immaterial. (If not, the GPL is certainly null and void, since it doesn't require payment either)

Re:Sensationalism... (4, Funny)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249744)

Screw the hypocrisy angle!

His idea to be able to remotely destroy or disable somebody's computer is idiotic.

I know I'm flogging a dead horse here, but isn't time we got politicians with a clue?

Re:Sensationalism... (5, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249745)

He was in violation of the software license. Obviously nobody on slashdot has ever violated a software license (if not please direct me to all that shareware you registered in under 30 days).
Umm, we're not the ones advocating blowing up computers of infringers.

It certainly DOES damage his stance. I can't imagine he knew about the violation, which is a great argument against his idea. There are a lot of parents out there who don't particularly want their computers to explode, even if their kids are making unauthorized copies of intellectual property.

Re:Sensationalism... (2, Insightful)

The Evil Plush Toy (513809) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249752)

Unfortunatly, the "everyone else is doing it" defense won't fly infront of a judge. Yes, we all do it, and we all get away with it because no one has any particular reason to check on us as an individual. However, the Senator made a reason when he opened his mouth about piracy. Kind of a "people in glass houses" lesson to be learned here.

You're a subscriber, tell me... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249773)

...are you pleased with your purchase? I was once a sub. but gave it up in disgust after the constant dupes (the editors don't read their own site) and pushes for more pageviews/money. Subscriber perks? Not really.

Re:Sensationalism... (4, Funny)

topham (32406) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249779)

The whole point was "pottle, kettle, black".

Re:Sensationalism... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249790)

This is a bit off topic, but does anyone else think that $900 for frickin java script menu code is a bit excessive? Almost anybody could buy a java script book and learn how to program the thing by themselves for a lot less than $900.

Re:Sensationalism... (5, Insightful)

DataPath (1111) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249839)

It might be a bit overhyped, but the facts are still facts. He seems to believe that after two warning shots, "pirates'" computers may be remotely destroyed. His webmaster was illegally using software, which would, under the terms Sen. Hatch is seeking, would make it a target for destruction.

I think if he REALLY understood the implications of what he was proposing, he'd cry himself to sleep at night in shame.

Think about what he was proposing:
1) Give companies the right to remotely destroy physical property.

2) There is no mention of any review process - think of what Microsoft would be capable of doing to any of its competitors[1] - legally destroy their infrastucture

3) Software piracy is so wide-spread that it could seriously destroy the U.S.'s economic backbone.

4) A public school where some of the kids after hours get together and play video games - would those computers be exempted? How many caveats and exemptions would there have to be?

5) Organizations like the BSA and the RIAA have sent violation notices falsely (finding OpenOffice available on FTP and mistaking it for MS Office, confusing a Professor's MP3 encoded lectures for copyrighted music). What's to prevent mistakes where people's work is destroyed? Personal files? Financial records?

The U.S.'s lawmakers these days are just too blind-stupid about technology. And it doesn't appear to be changing. Oh yeah, and they're too easily bought by lobbyists.

That is all.

[1] competitor, n. - anyone who produces software.

Re:Sensationalism... (5, Insightful)

Blue Stone (582566) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249854)

The senator's web designer didn't register *free* software

More correctly, the senator's web designer didn't register *copyrighted* software. Free or paid for, is the copyright owner's choice. The cost is not the issue.

It damages his *incredibly fanatical* stance against copyright infringement, because he was all "holier-than-thou" and now it's been pointed his fly was open the whole time.

Set your own house in order, before chastising other people, would seem to be the relevant... thingy.

Re:Sensationalism... (5, Informative)

sweetooth (21075) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249863)

Senator Hatch is selling cds from his site as well. That would make it qualify for commercial uses and require a $900 registration fee as well. So, based on those criteria the maintainers of his site are the pirates. However, if you follow what the BSA says about software "theft" the senator is actually responsible for the actions of the people hired to do the work for him, just as a company would be responsible for the actions of thier employees. It remains to be seen if the senator will be allowed to simply use the non profit version or not.

This does damage his stance against copyright violaters as this makes him look very hipocritical. Software piracy is nothing more than copyright violation just as trading music and movies is.

Question: (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249696)

Hi,

How do I get one of these front page ad/stories to advertise my website? I would love to get a story like this to publisize my website. I dont know how much it costs though.

Please some advise me on how to post a ad/story of my own. Thanks!

Software piracy is bad (2, Funny)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249701)

That's why software should be free?

Re:Software piracy is bad (2, Funny)

zzyp (659456) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249716)

Yeah, I agree :)

Seriously, I wish more people would consider using Open source. In the lab where I work, I have managed a few converts.

Re:Software piracy is bad (2, Funny)

shawnce (146129) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249855)

That's why software should be free?
Actually the software in question is free since his website is not for commercial purposes. The apparent violation is that of license agreement; which requires registration and an in source link.

Free software is most often not "free" in the sense it often comes with purposely restrictive licensing agreements and this is an example of that.

(not saying free / open / etc. is good or bad, just pointing out the facts)

I got dibs on blowing up Hatch's computer! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249702)

Yeah, you hypocritical scum!

durr (0, Flamebait)

Afbc0m (623144) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249707)

Anyone want to say something intelligent instead of making stupid comments that only ruin it for others?

Sure (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249825)

Hah. You've been punk'd, as the kids say.

You want intelligent, go to spacepotato.com. All you'll find here are savage trolls warring against groupthinking, chai-sipping GNU/Hurd wannabies.

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2002. Slashdot publishes 1,000,000th rumor passed off as actual story. The story generates 480 comments, 263 of which agree with the article, and 107 of which point out it's a rumor and are modded down as redundant. The remaining comments are all "first posts." or posts that contain any rational insight are modded "troll."
2002. CmdrTaco married to a human female, reports are that she does not have 46 chromosomes, however. Fent does display tendency to retardation.
2002. Slashdot parent corporation VA Research^W Linux^W Software stock worth 35 cents. Rumors that AOL, Microsoft, or even Jimmy the hobo who lives under the Longfellow Bridge may buy it.
2003. VA Software bought by Microsoft for a cup of coffee and a donut. All Microsoft-critical articles mysteriously disappear from Slashdot. Bill Gates as Borg logo replaced with Bill Gates as God. (Taco suggested that in order to be "God," or his vision of God, Gates would have to be seen in a NAMBLA T-shirt. Luckily good taste prevails in favor of the old man image in glowing aura.)
2004. CmdrTaco loses virginity, well, not sex with men virginity, that's long since gone, and not sex with anime blow up dolls, this time, real sex.
2004. The WIPO Troll returns again, showering Slashdot in 45,000 copies of the same post: "Lick my crotch hairs." Slashdot, despite running on 18 redundant IIS/8.0Beta6 servers, buckles under the load. The term "Slashdotted" is replaced with "WIPO-Trolled."
2004. Slashdot officially shut down. Millions of screaming, unwashed geeks invade Redmond campus and lynch Bill Gates.
2005. Linus Torvalds and Anal Cox found dead along with six penguins, a tub of crisco and several used condoms. FreeBSD users are glad the insanity is dying.
2005. CmdrTaco rumored to have had sex again, even with constant Viagra therapy, it took this long. He complains, I can be ready to go again in five minutes if I was looking at a nude man, to the dyslexic Fent.
2006. CowboiKneel found dead in hotel room with 56 pizza boxes covering his bloated corpse. Three suffocated gay prostitutes are extracted from beneath his body as police remove it with a backhoe.
2007. CmdrTaco actually has sex again, this time plugging Fent in the ass for a more manlike feel.
2007. BSD is still officially "dying." No word on when its demise will take place. FreeBSD 9 is delivered in perfect working order in a coherent superior, commercially viable and useable fashion with real documentation, the same practice followed since inception. Linux lunatics, after the death of Cox, are still trying to perfect the Trident driver while ignoring the existence of the GeForce 9 [Anyone have one of these? There are only 3 known Trident based cards left in the whole world? Please Contact Marcelo Tosatti. Expect a short, rude reply.]. Netcraft dies along with all the surveys they held on Microsoft and Linux servers are lost as well.
2007. CmdrTaco starts new weblog to replace Slashdot, creatively named Dotslash. Remainder of Linux users flock to the site and immediate WIPO-Troll it out of existence.
2007. Box running FreeBSD for 6 years sets world record for Unix uptime on consumer hardware.
2008. CmdrTaco has sex with his wife for the first time without thinking of men. He has dawned on the extra sexual pick me up for his twisted mind, small children.
2009. Marcelo Tosatti finally releases a version of the 2.4 Linux Kernel that is useable 2.4.29-RC2099.alpha.stage.99 (not -STABLE!). Fuck you Marcelo, YOU SUCK as a MAINTAINER.

Thank You For Catching This (0)

mrs clear plastic (229108) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249712)

This article is a great catch for you folks!

It's nice to find something that puts his
foot in his mouth!

Again, thank you for catching that article!

MCP

Re:Thank You For Catching This (0)

pair-a-noyd (594371) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249746)

He should get a foot up the ass too....

Way to advertise yourself Laurence Simon (2, Insightful)

saden1 (581102) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249718)

This guys knows how to advertise himself. Imagine getting your name out there in the mass median and the fact you are unemployed.

Re:Way to advertise yourself Laurence Simon (2, Funny)

Surreal_Streaker (636407) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249774)

in the mass median

Sounds dangerous.

Re:Way to advertise yourself Laurence Simon (2, Informative)

endquotedotcom (557632) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249812)

Yup. Here's his site [blogmosis.com] . Pretty funny guy.

Re:Way to advertise yourself Laurence Simon (1)

Motherfucking Shit (636021) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249843)

Imagine getting your name out there in the mass median
I think politicians have prior art, from all those campaign signs...

there's a much easier way to do it (2, Informative)

Capt'n Hector (650760) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249720)

it's a lot easier and software-licence free to do it using css. All you need to do is hide the html part of each menu, and when the menu title is moused-over, the css, and something like two lines of JavaScript, will display the menu. No muss, no fuss.

Re:there's a much easier way to do it (2, Informative)

GreyPoopon (411036) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249767)

it's a lot easier and software-licence free to do it using css.

And it only works with CSS1-compliant browsers. This is not a limitation you want when you're trying to convice everybody in John Q. Public that your warped ideas are actually good ones.

Having said that, I think with some work you can get the CSS menus to at least show up as nested lists on non-compliant browsers.

Re:there's a much easier way to do it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249809)

And this will only work with JavaScript enabled... personally, I'd go with CSS.

Please! (4, Insightful)

Mensa Babe (675349) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249726)

Don't call him a "pirate," unless he was proven guilty of abordage! Otherwise we just sound silly, claiming that Dimitry was not a pirate, but Orrin Hatch suddenly is. Please don't be so inconsistent. Pirate is a pirate. A person guilty of copyright infringement is a person guilty of copyright infringement. Please don't use incorrect meanings of words, at least on Slashdot.

Re:Please! (1)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249763)

Don't call him a "pirate," unless he was proven guilty of abordage! Otherwise we just sound silly, claiming that Dimitry was not a pirate, but Orrin Hatch suddenly is. Please don't be so inconsistent. Pirate is a pirate. A person guilty of copyright infringement is a person guilty of copyright infringement. Please don't use incorrect meanings of words, at least on Slashdot.
You're not a Mensa member, are you?

Oh, wait, you are. It should have been obvious to me.

Thank you. (0, Troll)

Mensa Babe (675349) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249856)

You're not a Mensa member, are you? Oh, wait, you are. It should have been obvious to me.

Thank you, you are very kind. After all of the insults I got here on Slashdot just because I am a woman, your complement was a very nice surprise indeed.

American Heritage 2000 (dictionary.com) (3, Informative)

Adam9 (93947) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249793)

piÂrate
n.

1.
1. One who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without commission from a sovereign nation.
2. A ship used for this purpose.
2. One who preys on others; a plunderer.
3. One who makes use of or reproduces the work of another without authorization.
4. One that operates an unlicensed, illegal television or radio station.

What's your point?

yeah... (1)

LBArrettAnderson (655246) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249742)

and everyone knows that the senator is the one who made his site! who cares if his hired webmaster uses unliscenced JS? it's not the senator, i'll tell you that - he probably doesn't even know about it.

Re:yeah... (4, Interesting)

MrLint (519792) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249797)

He may not be at fault but as the 'leader' of his political presence, he is responsible. And since he is advocating vigilante 'justice' and seems to be will to throw out 'innocent until proven guilty' he of all people deserve the stiffest penalty. I'll tell you if that bill passes I bet you more than a new DMCA complaints are gonna be leveling against the govt. And those licenses that allow free personal and govt. use? Well they wont allow free govt. use anymore.

Re:yeah... (2, Interesting)

Motherfucking Shit (636021) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249861)

who cares if his hired webmaster uses unliscenced JS? it's not the senator, i'll tell you that - he probably doesn't even know about it.
Try telling that to, say, the BSA - "So our webmaster was using some pirated software, we didn't know, it's not our fault!" - and see how far that gets you...

Is this about the menus (-1, Redundant)

nickgrieve (87668) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249743)

Did not bother to read the article (mod me down, I need to burn karma, posting at +2 makes me self conscious)

Yeah... some guy in yesterdays 5 mins hate pointed this out. Same guy?

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1, Redundant)

Eric Destiny (255168) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249748)

in soviet russia, orrin hatch pirates you!

Seriously, how do you think he's lived this long? That's right. Organs purchased on the Russian black market.

One Comment (0, Offtopic)

idiotfromia (657688) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249750)

Mwahahaha!

I do (4, Interesting)

drteknikal (67280) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249755)

I register all my shareware, or uninstall it before the stated evaluation period ends. If you do otherwise, shame.

I do not install unlicensed software in production environments. My personal computer is different, but I still conform to the license requirements or remove the software.

You're talking to sysadmins here -- you'll find relatively few pirates in the bunch. You might rethink your accusations in light of your audience.

And... (4, Interesting)

Loki_1929 (550940) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249756)

If someone actually destroyed the server hosting his website, he'd be the first person lining up to put them in jail. Come on, Hatch, of all the things to take a ridiculous stand on; copyrights? Is $18,000/yr really that important to you?

I'd like to see how Hatch's constituents react when they find out he's the one who authored the law that let the music company destroy their computer because little Johnny wanted to hear the latest trendy music hit.

And yes, I understand that no such bill would ever make it anywhere, but for a high-ranking Senator to even suggest such an idea is absolutely unforgiveable. There's no excuse for violating imaginary property rights, but there is an excuse for willfully destroying the physical property of someone? I don't know whether he's really serious about such an idea, but assuming for a moment that there's a bit of sanity left in his noggin, I think he needs to choose his words more wisely. The fact is, this simply cannot work out well for him, and will only provide fuel for his critics and those who would like to take his seat.

Quite frankly, the man has no concept of what he's talking about, and needs to sit down, shut up, and listen to what others have to say for a change.

Re:And... (1)

drteknikal (67280) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249780)

Remember, Orin Hatch is one of those who "just don't get it" -- or is your memory that short?

Re:And... (1)

sparkz (146432) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249828)

Surely, as he writes Christian music, he'd want it to be heard by as many people as possible?

  1. Steal the music
  2. Be converted by it
  3. Never steal again
I'd have thought he'd be happy with that!

We should beat him with a sack of doorknobs (nt) (1)

neoform (551705) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249758)

nt

I perfer to get my porn from him personally (5, Funny)

hrieke (126185) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249761)

http://www.senate.gov/~hatch/index.cfm?Fuseaction= Students.Utah [senate.gov] And click on the MyUtahSearch.com graphic...

Re:I perfer to get my porn from him personally (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249832)

Mod this down, it may not be redundant, but at least the other post gives credit [kuro5hin.org] .

Mod up (0, Redundant)

Adam9 (93947) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249841)

Hah. Domain hijacking at its finest.

Can't say much about the man's politics... (1)

GoofyBoy (44399) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249860)

... but at least he has taste!

Re:I perfer to get my porn from him personally (1)

agent dero (680753) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249867)

Nothing goes better together than Big Naturals and Politics

Maybe it's Mrs. Hatch?`eeeeeeyy.....

Ha ha ha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249764)

The funniest thing is that I saw this on The Rule of Reason [blogspot.com] hours before I saw it here. (Scroll down four stories and see for yourself.)

Seems like nobody likes Hatch anymore. Yay!

Even better... (3, Interesting)

ktakki (64573) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249769)

Go to Sen. Hatch's web site [senate.gov] and click on the "MyUtahSearch.com" [senate.gov] graphic on the right hand side of the page. It redirects you to a [not safe for work] pr0n site.

[Thanks to The Turd Report [kuro5hin.org] for pointing this out on K5.]

k.

Re:Even better... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249806)

Haha, this is a classic.. but hey, at least the Senator's site warns you that you're leaving their site (and they give you a 1 second delay too! woo!)

Put up or shut up (1)

rot26 (240034) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249771)

I was really hoping someone would challenge Hatch to allow them to audit his personal and office computers for infringements. I'd even let the BSA get involved if they had the guts.

HACK THE PLANET!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249772)

They're trashing our rights!! They're trashing the flow of data

Slashdotted already (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249775)

30 minutes or so since it was posted and its already unaccessible for me.

NoBody's Perfect. (5, Insightful)

anubi (640541) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249776)

No matter how hard we try ( that is, even if we attempt to try ), we are gonna break somebody else's interpretation of what's right all the time.

I think this episode just verified that observation.

The scary thing is that because none of us are perfect, anyone with an axe to grind can mill through the most innant details of our personal lives and bring it to the public attention, that of our wife, boss, friends, co-workers, etc.., highly magnifying what they think we did wrong.

This could be quite a way for one to harass another.

Like, now Senator Hatch himself has gone onto public record as advocating destruction of other's private property.. what if instead of some government official talking about destruction of other's property, it was somebody else talking about it? Where are we going to draw the line between a "patriot" and a "terrorist"?

What is crime? (1, Insightful)

fm6 (162816) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249782)

People have different definitions of right and wrong. But all definitions of wrong action have one element in common: it's something somebody else does.

Just in cased you missed it.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249783)

...here's the URI to his website. Enjoy :D http://www.senate.gov/~hatch/ [senate.gov]

Re:Yeah, but SCO code is non-migratory... (3, Funny)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249784)

So...let me see if I have this straight...slashdot is running an article on an elected official doing something illegal?

We're gonna need more space if this is the start of a trend.

A LOT more space.

Rotten Egg (1)

KarmaOverDogma (681451) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249800)

Looks like the Rotten Egg that Orrin Hatched may be all over his face.

A politician who's a hypocrite? (2, Funny)

Rai (524476) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249804)

Oh my god, what a rare and shocking revelation.

While it is quite funny is see our politibots when they get caught in their hyrpocrisy, I hope I wasn't the only one who wasn't surprised to read this.

Wowee (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249805)

Not only a senator but an AI pioneer to boot. notice the license

i am the license for the menu (duh)

Not only is the AI developed by Sen. Hath's team self-aware (notice the use of the pronoun "i"; fake AI might use "I" but this is clearly the real thing ignoring grammatical conventions as if they meant nothing) but it is also capable of irony (i.e. "duh")

Watch out, the Matrix may have you yet!

Ahhhh (1)

Obscenity (661594) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249808)

This article is like.. well.. like drinking a coke, (or pepsi) after a long session of coding. Refreshing, and very satisfactory, and giddy in a way of what one has accopmlished. The satisfaction of seeing him caught at his own game is awesome. Uh oh, underwear check!

ha ha, i run linux (0, Troll)

b17bmbr (608864) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249811)

bo ahead, try and hack me. all the microsoft backdoors will be of no use. all my base are belong to me!!!!

Woah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249814)

#1- Make java script menu
#2- Sell for $900
#3- Profit!

The hardest part of the whole thing was probably starting up google to search for java script examples.

$900? (0, Flamebait)

Mike Hicks (244) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249815)

Hmm. I just have a problem with someone charging $900 for JavaScript code that is easily viewable by almost any visitor to a site. It's common practice to steal bits of HTML and JavaScript, so I'm surprised people would get so annoyed when they try to sell code for use on the Web..

javascript (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249833)

he stole JAVASCRIPT and I'm supposed to care?

But is he a pirate? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6249834)

Or a butt pirate?

Note to moderators: +5 Witty.

Well it does look a tad hypocritical (4, Insightful)

zptdooda (28851) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249842)

It's the glass house idea. I know it isn't piracy per se, but it's a close enough cousin.

Before a person in office criticizes an action, they should make pretty darn sure that they don't even have the appearance of being tainted by the act or anything close. Delegate the role. But check.

The bar is lower for nonpublic figures. Our words don't weigh as much in the public eye.

Now he'll have to be the brunt of embarrassing questions like "why should your computer not be destroyed?" It just weakens his stance.

It's the webmaster's fault, not the Sen. himself (3, Insightful)

petman (619526) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249848)

Surely the Senator didn't create the page himself? He might not even know what the Javascript is for. Sure, if he knew that the webmaster was doing something wrong, and he didn't stop it, then he would be at fault, but there's no proof of that here.

Of course, my opinion above is from a common sense perspective, rather than a legal one.

the term that comes to mind (1)

squarefish (561836) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249849)

is 'hail to the theif'

I've heard this phrase a lot lately!

excuse my naiveity (1)

Savatte (111615) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249852)

but is it really possible to remotely fry a motherboard or break my hard drive? And if it is possible, how come this hasn't been written into some worm yet?

GIF dead at the early age of twenty... (2, Funny)

Donald Knuth (677635) | more than 11 years ago | (#6249862)

I just heard some sad news on talk radio - GIF patent US4,558,302 was found expired in its patent office filing cabinet this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the internet community will miss it - even if you didn't enjoy the litigation, there's no denying its contribution to bandwidth conservation. Truly a compression icon.
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