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RIAA Warns Individual Swappers

CowboyNeal posted more than 11 years ago | from the shutting-it-down dept.

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Joey Patterson writes "CNET News.com reports that the RIAA has sent cease-and-desist letters to four individuals for allegedly pirating its music on P2P networks." They have yet to publicly release the names of who they have contacted, but 4 of the 5 were Verizon subscribers involved with their previous high profile case.

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Thank God (3, Insightful)

Keri Immos (681622) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252659)

I've had enough of paying twenty bucks for a CD so some lazy kid doesn't have to get a job.

Re:Thank God (-1, Flamebait)

rkz (667993) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252683)

Yeah I feel the same way as the parent, I think CD prices would go down if RIAA companies didn't have to invest millions trying to impliment copy-protection. Piracy is driving the price of CDs much higher than they would have been, in 1996 I could buy a CD for £12 but now in 2003 it costs me around £18... I blame the pirates!

Re:Thank God (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6252819)

since napster and kazaa music sales in the uk have increased 5% the prices have still gone up i personaly recon its because the uk has its own music so is less dependent on the states dont get me wrong i like alot of states side music but in the last few years its been geting more and more sterile while there have been alot of good bands comeing out in the uk (the streets for example) and i've notised my self likeing less and less american stuff its practialy all gangsta rap now and it all sounds the same also since copy protection have can't buy certain cds i dont have a proper cd player i use my pc for everything and they dont work on the pc the only choice i have is kazaa i agree piracy isn't good but its growing because of disatisfaction with the music and cost there trying to treat the symptom not the problem

Re:Thank God (3, Insightful)

Snaller (147050) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252687)

Actually its the "artists" who are lazy, they expect to keep getting paid for a the same job. You try that in another other business.

What do you mean? (0)

Keri Immos (681622) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252705)

I do the same job day in and day out, and I keep getting paid...I don't see a connection.

Re:Thank God (5, Insightful)

j_rhoden (214320) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252847)

Actually, it's the "artists" who are some of the hardest workers in the buisness. They're either in the studio recording, out touring to support their album, doing promotional work, or hundreds of other things that they have to do to sell enough albums so they don't get dropped by their record label. Now, of course, I'm not talking about your Aerosmith/Britney Spears/Metallica super acts that pretty much can do what they want. I'm talking about bands that aren't superstars and still have to actually tour and promote most of the year. Those guys deserve to get paid, they work their asses off for it.

Re:Thank God (2, Insightful)

91degrees (207121) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252710)

Yep. It's a well known fact that competition increases prices.

Re:Thank God (1, Insightful)

merlin_jim (302773) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252724)

I've had enough of paying twenty bucks for a CD so some lazy kid doesn't have to get a job.

I was gonna mod this a troll, but it doesn't really count. It's really just incomprehensible. I fail to see how this story can possibly lead you to that conclusion... I would think, if anything, this story supports the opposite conclusion.

So here's wishing for the [Stupid, -1] moderation.

ARE YOU AN IDIOT (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6252741)

If they catch more people getting songs for free, they can lower prices because they won't have to cover for freeloaders!

MY GOD.

How do people like you get mod points?

ARE YOU? (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252813)

Yes, but why would they?

Their other option is to not lower the prices, and make more money.

Re:ARE YOU AN IDIOT (2, Interesting)

PhilHibbs (4537) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252966)

If they catch more people getting songs for free, they can lower prices because they won't have to cover for freeloaders!
That doesn't stand up at all. I'm not saying that p2p music copying is right, and I don't do it myself (ok, I did, once, on a friend's computer; I wanted to listen to the Soviet National Anthem, so I downloaded it with Kazaa), but downloading music from the internet harms no-one. The only possible cause of harm is if you were going to buy the music otherwise. Personally, I have bought only two music CDs in the last 5 years. My entertainment spending goes on other things these days, such as DVDs, games (computer and tabletop), and travel. Having said that, I think the RIAA are generally right to go after the infringers themselves, rather than the tools.

Re:ARE YOU AN IDIOT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6252993)

I dont think the RIAA cares about the "Soviet National Anthem". It changes ever week doesnt it?

Re:Thank God (1)

Salgak1 (20136) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252809)

And, oddly enough, CDs were 20 bucks a pop PRIOR to the rise of P2P networks. So, here's to a [Deserves a major Larting, -5] moderation. . .

Mod parent up! (+5, Insightful) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6252759)

The truth gets buried way too often due to opposing view points.

Re:Thank God (-1, Offtopic)

merlin_jim (302773) | more than 11 years ago | (#6253006)

Whoo-hoo! I have a freak!

Do you hate everyone who provides critical feedback? Users are all the time saying reply, don't mod... and in this case there was no mod which fit how I felt about your comment... It wasn't a troll or flamebait, it wasn't redundant, and I believe that overrated is ALWAYS unfair, but it was certainly negative... so I responded letting you know how I felt about it.

And now you hate me forever.

Well pooh on you. :D

which one of these is simoniker ? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6252666)

slashdotpollz

In other news... dead horse beating spreads (4, Funny)

youaredan (668702) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252672)

News at 11 - The recent trend beating of dead horses not only continues but quickens.. is there hope for rationality?

Re:In other news... dead horse beating spreads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6252756)

I agree, how many times are we going to read about how the RIAA is dealing with individual infringers? Isn't this like the 6th time this story was posted?

Re:In other news... dead horse beating spreads (2, Insightful)

cshark (673578) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252901)

Yes, but this one dictates that they already have taken action, not that they are about to take action. This story should scare and offend you.

FIRST BIZZNATCH (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6252674)



You love it.

What so special (1)

it0 (567968) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252678)

Everybody knows it's illegal to distrube copyrighted material? If it's p2p or ftp or http or ...

Just wouldn't think that it would be usefull for an organisation as the RIAA to send everybody C&D letters, costs a lot of money. Which they have but not that much..

Re:What so special (2, Funny)

wille_faler (679453) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252744)

Maybe they will raise the prices to fund the C&D letters..

Re:What so special (5, Funny)

Monoman (8745) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252750)

"Just wouldn't think that it would be usefull for an organisation as the RIAA to send everybody C&D letters, costs a lot of money."

I think they plan to save a lot of money by using bulk mail and address everything to "Resident". :-)

Re:What so special (4, Insightful)

Verteiron (224042) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252994)

Everybody knows it's illegal to distrube copyrighted material? If it's p2p or ftp or http or ...

This is exactly right. When the RIAA went after Napster, everyone was all for going after individual users and leaving Napster alone. Well, it's too late for Napster, but now a judge that isn't smoking crack has agreed that Grokster and Morpheus aren't responsible for the copyright violations, and the RIAA is now forced to go after individual users who are breaking the law.

Is it a bad law, one that no longer applies to the world we live in? Maybe. But it's still the law.

This the way it should be enforced.

Just Wondering... (2, Interesting)

LordYUK (552359) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252680)

Okay, if I remember correctly verizon fought the fight and lost, and is now forced to hand over internet logs or whatever of individual users. I assume (key word, assume) this is only for the people that use Verizon as an ISP, right?

And people stay with them.... why?

I mean, isnt it time to get a new provider? If everyone left, then maybe they'd fight the fight again...

Re:Just Wondering... (4, Insightful)

MImeKillEr (445828) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252732)

Yes, but Verizon today, Road Runner tomorrow.

The RIAA (and anyone else) can simply point to the Verizon lawsuit as presidence in any future case where they want the names of "pirates".

Personally, I'd like to see the C&D letters the RIAAs henchmen sent out. I'd bet Hillary Rosen's soul (assuming she actually has one) that they're demanding payment for "infringing" on the "artitst's rights".

Re:Just Wondering... (1)

Nit Picker (9292) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252769)

The article said that Earthlink (EL) was the source of the fifth name. EL yielded when the appeals court ruled against Verizon.

Re:Just Wondering... (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252874)

EL yielded when the appeals court ruled against Verizon.

So Earthlink said {AOL} ME TOO! {/AOL}?

Re:Just Wondering... (5, Insightful)

Octagon Most (522688) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252779)

And people stay with them.... why?

I mean, isnt it time to get a new provider? If everyone left, then maybe they'd fight the fight again...


I seem to remember Verizon refusing to turn over the subscriber names to the RIAA and fighting a court battle for their privacy. Only after losing that fight and being ordered by the courts to turn over the information did they finally consent. And even then they waited until the imposed deadline. Now you are advocating that everyone leave a provider that resisted and fought the RIAA? Just because they ultimately lost in court? Good luck finding many with the balls to challenge the RIAA. I've never used Verizon for any service, but I'd hardly fault them for this.

Re:Just Wondering... (1)

Metasquares (555685) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252829)

Aside from the fact that this sets a legal precedent for any ISP, that would be punishing Verizon for trying to defend their users' privacy rights. Would AOL or MSN (Just using two popular ISPs as examples) fight for your rights just as ardently?

Re:Just Wondering... (4, Informative)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252938)

Would AOL .. fight for your rights just as ardently?

In a word, NO. They ratted a customer to the US Navy without any legal basis for doing so. Check here [wiredstrategies.com]

Re:Just Wondering... (2, Insightful)

Teflonatron (202441) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252897)

If you notice from the article, it says 4 out of 5 were from verizon.

The fifth was from Earthlink, who turned over the account name due to Verizon loosing its court case.

Re:Just Wondering... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6252981)

It's "losing its court". Don't make me come over there! (Point for "its")

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that's stupid (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6252692)

How much could a Verizon subscriber pirate?

I mean come on, I have Verizon and it ain't too fucking fast.

I mean ya it's fast but you're not gonna put the Recording Industry out of business with Internet from Verizon...

That's the last straw. . . (5, Funny)

bplipschitz (265300) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252694)

no more individual swapping for me--it's whole truckloads of illegal immigrants from now on!

Re:That's the last straw. . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6252722)

Ya instead of peer to peer file trading i'll just trade my peers!

Re:That's the last straw. . . (0, Flamebait)

eggstasy (458692) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252746)

You may be joking but you do have a point.
What's hurting the american economy more, 4 or 5 people swapping files or the hordes of illegal immigrants pouring in all the time?
I wish people would worry about serious things instead of meaningless virtualities such as an mp3.
With so many people being mugged, raped and murdered, politicians seem to spend half their lives worrying about petty little details such as wether people should or shouldn't have the right to do what they want with what they purchase.

Re:That's the last straw. . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6252890)

It's not that simple though. Yes illegal immigration will damage an economy. Then again so will file swapping, if there is no return on the investment needed to produce the music in the first place companies are just not going to bother then we all loose out

Yes it's a very simplistic arguement, but accurate

Re:That's the last straw. . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6252929)

Illegal Immegrant don't hurt the American economy actually.

They hurt American workers, yes this is true.

But they help American businesses by providing cheap labor with no unpleasant unions or rights.

So for business it's good and thus is ultimatly good for the economy. The fact that it fucks over American workers, well, American workers have been getting fucked ever since the "Founding Fathers" pissed on all the poor farmers that helped them defeat the British.

Trust me if illegal immegrants actually hurt corporations and businesses that border would sealed tight in an instant.

I mean after September 11th when the government "claimed" it was going to shut all the borders businesses started whining and complaining really loud because they got scared they might have to pay American workers at least minimum wage! Of course if that happened prices would go up on strawberries, oranges, "made in U.S.A." garments and other niceties so when it really comes down to it most people aren't really interested in closing the border. You want the price of your "Made in the U.S.A." underwear to go up 5 bucks? I didn't think so...

It won't work (3, Funny)

fireboy1919 (257783) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252933)

The RIAA doesn't have that many illegal immigrants for you to steal. They only pretend to have that many so that they can tell the government how much they're losing in illegal immigrant sales. Plus, it's really hard to get a truckload of immigrants through p2p because the copy protection on illegal immigrants (DNA) is a lot more difficult to bypass than traditional forms of media.

You'll have to keep pirating songs instead.

The usual scare tactics (4, Interesting)

leeroybrown (624767) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252698)

As usual the RIAA is resorting to the use of FUD to stop people swapping music. College Students, High School Kids and Lone P2P Users are very easy targets for a massive corporate body.

It may even be working to a certain degree.

Re:The usual scare tactics (4, Interesting)

EvilTwinSkippy (112490) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252987)

Kind of like ants are an easy target for a human. The problem is that there are so many, and the way the law of the land works, they have to kill each one individually. (No RAID or newpapers.)

Sure they are going to try to make examples out of some folks, but they are just going to be playing whack-a-mole.

Now, do I personally like that people distribute copyrighted material on p2p networks? No. I think the practice is wrong. (Then again, so is xeroxing sheet music for the chuch choir.)

The Music industry is perfectly legally correct. The problem is the same as if I was legally correct in proceeding through a green light while a Mac truck was blowing the red in the other direction. I end up in traction regardless of how many tickets the truck got.

Re:The usual scare tactics (1)

twisty7867 (542048) | more than 11 years ago | (#6253012)

Hey, massive corporate body or not, it's still illegal. When you go to Best Buy and shoplift CD's, they're not like, "oh well, you're a high school kid, college student, or lone shoplifter, guess we'll have to let you go...".

I admit it (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6252702)

I was one of them.

-Senator Orrin Hatch

Re:I admit it (1, Funny)

Justatad (630151) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252757)

Remember kids - when you're sharing mp3s, you're spreading communism!

Re:I admit it (1, Funny)

wayward_son (146338) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252849)

No, no, you have it all wrong.

When you're sharing mp3s, you're spreading terrorism!

lol (1)

messiuh (206505) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252703)

Hmm, in other news; the US has gone under Martial Law because it was found 1 out of very 4 breathing beings steal music.

How can they target 4 people out of millions?

re: lol (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6252735)

gotta start somewhere, right?

Re:lol (3, Insightful)

Cruel Angel (676514) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252957)

The premise is very simple. Target a few, vulnerable people, and watch the rest squirm. If they don't squirm enough, Target a few more in the next batch.
You don't haave to punish everyone, just enough so that the majority are scared of punishment. And you have to mean business.

There is a story of Sun Wu (Sun Tzu Wu of The Art of War), who is demonstrating the effectiveness of his strategies and rules. He give an order (turn tight I think), and the soldiers (actually a group of the king's concubines) giggle. He says that if the troops do not follow orders because they are not clear and well spoken, it is the generals fault. He then gives other orders (turn left). They giggle again. He says that if the ordes are spoken clearly, but not followed, it is the officers fauult. he then order the two lead women killed. After some argument with the kin, they are killed. The next orders he gives are followed.

It's a similar concept, except that RIAA is going after the followers, instead of the leaders, which breeds resentment, not respect.

Can you download me now? (3, Funny)

suso (153703) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252704)

Good...

Cease and... (4, Insightful)

BJZQ8 (644168) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252713)

Desist? I wonder if they will go further than that, since it's going to be hard to prove anything beyond something appearing in a log somewhere. Is downloading music illegal, or just posession? If this was a criminal trial, they'd be a long way from a burden of proof, but again, this is probably a civil matter...

Re:Cease and... (3, Insightful)

kaltkalt (620110) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252775)

in a civil trial, and possibly a criminal one, a jury could reasonably conclude that the log showing you downloaded a 10,303,334mb file named "Metallica_Enter_Sandman.mp3" on such and such day is evidence that you downloaded a copyrighted song. downloading = copying. copying without permission is the 'crime.' Of course, it is a malum prohibitum crime and not a malum in se, no matter how much they try to convince the world otherwise.

Re:Cease and... (5, Insightful)

Octagon Most (522688) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252868)

a jury could reasonably conclude that the log showing you downloaded a 10,303,334mb file named "Metallica_Enter_Sandman.mp3" on such and such day is evidence that you downloaded a copyrighted song.

I find it inconceivable that the name of a file in a log is sufficient proof of criminal conduct. If I rename workout_log.xls to bush_assassination_plan.doc am I guilty of a criminal conspiracy to kill the President? No, of course not. If there is sufficient evidence of illegal activity a search warrant would be required to look at the actual content of a file. But, you're right about one point. These days a jury could conclude almost anything despite the evidence or the facts.

Re:Cease and... (1)

peerogue (623472) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252896)

Hopefully, in Gnutella at least, one does no longer download files by names but by SHA1. So, yes, I downloaded the file urn:sha1:ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ234567 but I swear I thought it was the latest Linux kernel, and it turned out to be some popular MP3 song.

This is very possible with magnet URIs where you only have the SHA1 URN and possibly a name attached to it, but cannot be sure the two are matching.

Since no download log can tell them what name I thought the file had, it's hard to sue anyone for trying to download in the first place.

Re:Cease and... (1)

UCRowerG (523510) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252909)

Ok. I'm trying to remember that scene in "Legally Blonde" where they discussed those two terms....
come on coffee, don't fail me now!

Ok. Coffee failed. Google prevails. Definitions from http://www.law.cornell.edu/

malum prohibitum [cornell.edu] : An act which is immoral because it is illegal; not necessarily illegal because it is immoral.
malum in se [cornell.edu] : An innately immoral act, regardless of whether it is forbidden by law. Examples include adultery, theft, and murder.

Re:Cease and... (2, Informative)

Albert Pussyjuice (675113) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252936)

Copying without permission? But you've been given permission by the person sharing it in your example. The RIAA doesn't have a store where mp3s are available for download but you can only download if you have permission.

If I went in to Best Buy, and they gave me a free album - I would not be breaking the law, would I? This is the same with P2P networks. The only violation of copyright law comes on the distribution end, which is not what you cite in your example.

Downloading copyrighted material isn't against the law. It's sharing copyrighted material that has got the RIAA up in arms.

Re:Cease and... (1)

gui_tarzan2000 (625775) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252963)

I wonder what the outcome would be if you handed them a scratched Metallica CD and explained that you have a legally purchased (albeit damaged) copy of that very same song... ???

(snip) a jury could reasonably conclude that the log showing you downloaded a 10,303,334mb file named "Metallica_Enter_Sandman.mp3" on such and such day is evidence that you downloaded a copyrighted song.

"My theory on evolution is that Darwin was adopted. - Stephen Wright"

Re:Cease and... (1)

peerogue (623472) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252989)

There are some countries where publishing some material is illegal, but actually downloading the same material is perfectly legal.

For instance, I believe that in Germany, it is illegal to share MP3 files that are copyrighted, but downloading them is just fine. Please correct me if I'm mistaken, it could be another European country.

Wow actually going against people who broke the la (5, Insightful)

bmongar (230600) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252718)

Wow actually going against people who broke the law? I didn't like that the RIAA was going after all these middle men who provided sharing services and software but the file swapers actually broke copy right law. I think this is a much fairer tactic. They also started with warning letters instead of a bagillion dollar lawsuit. I think this is the way they should handle copyright infringement.

Re:Wow actually going against people who broke the (1)

messiuh (206505) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252740)

No, they are going against 4 people that "broke the law". I sure didnt get a letter, did you?

Re:Wow actually going against people who broke the (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6252768)

Better that they're going against 4 people that "broke the law" than them deciding everyone is doing it.

This is a helluva lot better than dumbass laws being passed giving them the right to decide whose a "pirate" and to destroy their computers

Re:Wow actually going against people who broke the (4, Interesting)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252979)

"broke the law"

Why the quote marks, dude? They *did* break the law. You may not like the law, anymore than you like the speed limit, but it's still the law. Going after the P2P software guys was like going after the auto manufacturers because they enable speeding violations. And logic bombing an alleged transgressor's PC is just plain wrong. Going after the individual -- speeder or downloader -- is the right and fair way to do it.

If you don't like the law -- speed limit or copyright -- you can break it, and hope you don't get caught, obey it grudgingly, or speak out to your legislators to get it repealed.

The "Napster Era" is over, friend. We wanted to be able to sample and acquire music online at a fair price, and it is now available. We wanted the Powers That Be to lay off the P2P technology itself, and now that's happening, it seems.

Time to move on. You want to do 90 in a 55 MPH zone, that is your prerogative. I do it myself occasionally. It's just not a news story, or a movement, or a cause celebre, any more, and that's fine.

This is completely unfair! (-1, Flamebait)

notque (636838) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252786)

I am a file swaper, and I would not swap files if it wasn't so easy.

The RIAA shouldn't target me, the person breaking the copyright law! They should target the software which allows me to pirate without even trying.

See, during just this post, I downloaded 15 songs by a band called "Zao." I don't listen to Zao, and will probably never even listen to those songs I just downloaded.

It was just so pathetically easy that I thought I might as well.

I'm sure I've downloaded at least 50 gigs worth of music, but I really don't even listen to music. I listen to NPR, and Sports Talk radio.

Why am I a pirate?

It's too easy.

Blame the software companies, get the software out of my hands, and the RIAA will get the exact same ammount of money from me. I'll listen to about the same ammount of music (not very much), and I'll go back to having some harddrive space.

Re:This is completely unfair! (1)

Surak (18578) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252852)

The RIAA shouldn't target me, the person breaking the copyright law! They should target the software which allows me to pirate without even trying.

Okay, then they should target The Apache Foundation [apache.org] for Apache, Microsoft [microsoft.com] for it's IIS product, AOL/TW [aol.com] for it's AOL Instant Messenger software, basically anybody that makes anything that uses TCP/IP and/or UDP to do file transfers. Which would be pretty much the entire software industry.

Those crooks that make software! Software should be illegal! People shouldn't use computers! We should only have special purpose devices dedicated to viewing content. General purpose computers make pirating too easy.

C'mon...you don't REALLY think that do you?

Re:This is completely unfair! (1)

notque (636838) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252937)

I was really trying to be funny, but I'm getting way more enjoyment reading others responses to my sarcasm than any +5 funny ever could.

Re:This is completely unfair! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6252856)

I really hope that was a parody. If not, it was utterly ridiculous.

Re:This is completely unfair! (1)

xaraya (635792) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252893)

The RIAA shouldn't target me, the person breaking the copyright law! They should target the software which allows me to pirate without even trying.

It's rather simple to kill someone with advances in technology for weapons as well, but that doesn't mean that gun manufacturers are blamed for the all the murders that take place. Rather extreme analogy, but the uses the same logic.

Re:This is completely unfair! (1)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252910)

We should definately sue the P2P companies for new hard drives. Then we can sue the HD companies for getting us into trouble with RIAA. Then lets sue RIAA for something... hrmm... not sure what yet, but we'll think of something...

Sue the RIAA (1)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 11 years ago | (#6253013)

sue the RIAA for producing the content in the first place and tempting you to copy it.

Re:Wow actually going against people who broke the (5, Interesting)

tyllwin (513130) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252826)

Yes, this is the way that they should address copyright infringers, but sad that this won't work in the way that those with a rosy-eyed view of our American legal system would hope.

Even if these people were totally innocent of any civil or criminal wrongdoing (which I doubt) the cost of successfully defending themselves would bankrupt them -- not, of course, that innocence is any guaranteee of victory.

And, if they were in fact guilty of some civil tort, they would face paying for, not the actual damage that they may have caused, but rather huge *statutory* damages.

Great system: Cause some RIAA member $1.25 in damage, and face $1.25 million in costs. Nothing like equal justice under law.

$1.25 in Damages? (1)

goldspider (445116) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252984)

If you know where to legally get 80 gigs of music for $1.25, than you certainly know something I don't.

Verizon now hosts RIAA website (5, Interesting)

wilstephens (535110) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252723)

Anyone else find this [netcraft.com] ironic?

Re:Verizon now hosts RIAA website (1)

Pogue Mahone (265053) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252789)

Must've been part of the settlement ;-)

Re:Verizon now hosts RIAA website (2)

corporal_clegg (547755) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252794)

It was once said that a capitalist is someone that would sell you the rope that you would hang him with. Hmmmm....

Re:Verizon now hosts RIAA website (1)

chef_raekwon (411401) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252808)

Anyone else find this ironic?

i find this more scary than anything else...

Re:Verizon now hosts RIAA website (2, Funny)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252820)

RIAA sure does everything in their power to annoy people... Windows 2003... *sigh* ;-)

I don't buy CDs (5, Interesting)

NeB_Zero (645301) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252738)

I stopped buying CDs once this whole situation with copyrights and piracy came about. I barely download music, and strictly listen to others' CDs or stream obscure music from free sites. The last CDs I have purchased were independent, and CHEAP. I have not purchased a CD from a major music label in years, and do not plan to until prices for 10 songs goes below 20USD.

Just my $0.02 .

Re:I don't buy CDs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6252767)

10 songs for US$20?! Bloody hell, at the local music shop in Scotland here it costs about GBP40 (~US$ 60?) for about eight CDs if you're careful which ones you get!

Re:I don't buy CDs (5, Funny)

Jim_Hawkins (649847) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252864)

Just my $0.02 .

Heh...at least you have $0.02 to spare. I did purchase some CDs from the major music labels...

...been living in a box ever since... :-(

Re:I don't buy CDs (1)

NineNine (235196) | more than 11 years ago | (#6253007)

and do not plan to until prices for 10 songs goes below 20USD.

Where in the hell are shopping where CD's are $20+?? You must be shopping at the big-super-mega stores. Shop at your small, local retailer. I don't remember paying any more than $15 for a new CD... well, ever.

It's like the lawsuit lottery! (5, Insightful)

ramk13 (570633) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252739)

There's no question that thousands of people pirate music, and have tons of it stored illegally on their computer. We know the whole thing is just a scare tactic by the RIAA. They could never prosecute 10% of who pirate music. It's like speeding. They'll catch whoever they can to deter everyone else.

The only thing is you have much better chance at getting caught going 90 in 60 than you do with 40 GB of mp3s on your hard drive. So they've got 9 people so far. 9 lucky winnners of the RIAA lawsuit lottery! I'm pretty sure this will stop just about no from 'buying their tickets.' (i.e. pirating)

Re:It's like the lawsuit lottery! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6252806)

speeding has been going on for a lot longer than P2P file trading.

as the technology to swap increases so will the methods to catch you.

VASCAR -> RADAR (and its variations) -> VASCAR from the air -> Laser.

The police forces available to catch speeders is large compared to the number of enforcers available to catch the traders.

Unfortunately for the RIAA they don't own the medium that people choose to break their "rules". The governments own the roads that they catch us on.

Re:It's like the lawsuit lottery! (1)

Dim_Slashdot (615563) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252927)

I feel pretty safe. Download.com shows 2,439,826 downloads for Kazaa. Even if that is the only P2P program they are watching I am not worried.

4 in 2.5 million? My odds are better of getting struck by lighting while making love to Britney Spears on the lawn of the White House.

trading files (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6252743)

File traders are felons. There is no excuse for their behavior. We, the RIAA, propose to extend the sentence to life in prison for heavy copying, or death in extreme circumstances. If you don't, criminals will fill the streets, the music industry will be over, and (shhhh) you won't be seeing those big bucks.

Yeah....and? (4, Insightful)

Surak (18578) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252753)

They can't take *everyone* to court. They'll make an example out of these few and it'll stop some of the people, but the majority of p2p file shareing of music and movies and such will continue as usual because users will be secure in the knowledge that RIAA/MPAA can't spend a gazillion dollars chasing everyone down. It's like trying to kill all the mosquitos in the forest with a fly swatter.

Re:Yeah....and? (2, Insightful)

pfdietz (33112) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252887)

That is true of most forms of law enforcement. In fact, a law that is used against a small fraction of potential violators can reduce crime by those not targeted, particularly if the penalty (if caught) greatly exceeds the benefit of the crime.

Re:Yeah....and? (5, Insightful)

Winterblink (575267) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252968)

I agree. But I think the reason these things get so much attention is that the RIAA isn't just being bitchy, they're utterly ruining peoples' lives over this stuff. Take for example the student some weeks ago that admitted his guilt and offered to fork over his entire goddamn life savings as compensation-- which the RIAA gladly did, instead of simply saying 'ok, he learned his lesson'.

I totally agree with you that they can't take everyone to court and that others will continue mooching files. However, I also look at it your post and wonder if your thinking would be adjusted if they smacked you with a gajillion dollar lawsuit; that's my issue with people taking an apathetic stance on these things.

Note to self... (4, Funny)

derrickh (157646) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252777)

-Cancel Verizon DSL Service.
-Check stash for those drunken nude Hilary Rosen pics...just in case.

D

Re:Note to self... (1)

Viduliya (39839) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252975)

Please include the following warning also with those pictures:

WARNING: Viewing these pictures may irreparably damage the viewerâ(TM)s eyesight by causing psychologically induced blindness as a protective measure for the brain. To put in other words, if ugly was electricity then your eyes are the fuse that protect your brain.

Why... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6252793)

Does the RIAA's computer systems still exist? I would have think they would have angered the wrong group of hackers/cracker enough times by now to have only a smoking crater where their computers used to be...

Re:Why... (1)

MacDork (560499) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252914)

only a smoking crater

Don't you watch the daily show? They're called Freedom Holes.

Letter delivery? How? (4, Funny)

Kaz Riprock (590115) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252841)


Thank goodness I never check my verizon.net e-mail address!

Obligatory Star Wars quote (4, Insightful)

wayward_son (146338) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252880)

"The more you tighten your grasp, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."

Because the best way to generate business is to treat your customers like criminals.

Re:Obligatory Star Wars quote (1, Insightful)

goldspider (445116) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252926)

"Because the best way to generate business is to treat your customers like criminals."

Newsflash: People who illegally copy music ARE criminals!

And how can you call them customers when they aren't buying the music?

Gripe/Rant About RIAA Posts (5, Informative)

goldspider (445116) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252892)

OK I'm going to spend a few kharma points to get my point across, but I have made a few observation about the nature of these RIAA stories that just have gotten under my skin.

First of all, these people aren't 'swapping' anything. That implies a trade where one item (or file) is exchanged for another one, with an implied transfer of ownership. They are COPYING music from one another, not trading it (and trading CDs is NOT illegal, contrary to what some seem to believe).

And that brings me to rant #2. It's easy to regard the RIAA as an Evil(tm) organization when you read (and believe) some of the things people claim the RIAA believes/practices. People here have claimed that the RIAA wants such things as making individual backups of personal CDs, and playing said backups on their computer illegal, and that is simply not true! People make these claims without providing a shred of evidence to back up their assertions. They might as well be accusing Hillary Rosen of violating young children, with as much proof they base their statements on.

Please read this article [pbs.org] which clarifies many of the misconceptions about the RIAA's position on fair usage. I think some of you will be very surprised (I know I was).

Is the RIAA perfect? Not even close. But putting words into their mouth for the sake of tricking people into thinking you know something they don't is no way to conduct an honest and meaningful discussion.

I wonder about this... (1)

Monkeylaser (674360) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252898)

Were the people who were sent cease and desist letters particularly large scale in their file sharing? Or were these just dudes on a 56k modem downloading a couple hundred megs of MP3 fils every now and then?

It occurs to me that if we were able to figure out how the RIAA is picking out people to sue, we could perhaps find ways of spoofing their detection processes. I know there are some anonymous p2p programs out there, but I also wonder if not following the profile of the guys who got targeted by this stuff might also be helpful.

Anyone got any ideas as far as this goes?

C&D for 1 file! (5, Interesting)

k1llt1me (680945) | more than 11 years ago | (#6252925)

I received, or I should say my ISP received a C&D from the RIAA a couple of months ago for a single file that I had downloaded over eDonkey. They are certainly not just going after the "big fish".

Oh crap! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6252956)

I better start checking my mailbox!

I don't see the big deal (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6252996)

Comcast users who are found to be sharing files get an email from the **AA (forwarded by Comcast) telling them to remove the file.
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