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New G5 Power Macs "Fastest Desktop In The World"

pudge posted more than 11 years ago | from the want dept.

Desktops (Apple) 1283

In the hardware part of his keynote address at WWDC, Jobs officially introduced the G5-based computers previously leaked on the Apple store.The new G5 machines, with the IBM 970 processor, use the "world's first 64-bit desktop processor" (and the "fastest 64-bit processor ever") but run both 64-bit and 32-bit apps natively, and run up to 2GHz. The bus is 1GHz ("fastest ever") and it is designed for dual processing and full symmetric processing.

Beyond the many numbers, the bottom line is that the new machines have a new architecture, and that the memory speed is now the bottleneck, not the processor or bandwidth speeds. So they can have up to 8GB of 128-bit DDR RAM, as it is efficient to keep data in memory. The memory bandwidth is one of the most talked-about features of the new architecture.

USB 2.0 is now included, as are FireWire 400 and 800, Bluetooth, AirPort Extreme, and digital audio in and out. The 4x SuperDrive is now standard, and it can house up to 500GB of internal storage.

For video, the GeForce FX5200 is standard on low-end models, Radeon 9600 Pro on high-end models.

The case of the new machines is redesigned too, from the ground up, focusing on decreasing noise and heat. It is an aluminum enclosure, with ports for FireWire and USB on the front, and a door on the side to get into the box. It has four distinct "thermal zones" with computer-controlled cooling with its nine (yes, nine) independent fans. And it is much quieter than its predecessor.

The G5 is 10 percent slower than the P4 and Xeon in SPEC int scores in single-proc units, but 20 percent faster in FPU scores, and the dual-proc G5 beats the dual-proc Xeon in all SPEC scores.

The models are a single 1.6 GHz ($1999), single 1.8GHz ($2399), and dual 2GHz ($2999). They will ship in August. A 3GHz processor will be available from IBM in 12 months.

Apple notes that recompiling apps for the 64-bit architecture is easy, and in some cases can be done in minutes.

There was no word about the heavily anticipated redesign of the 15" PowerBooks.

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1283 comments

Thanks (5, Informative)

pudge (3605) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276380)

Thanks to iPalindrome on irc.arstechnica.com for his running transcript of the keynote address.

Re:Thanks (1, Funny)

eMartin (210973) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276414)

I'd thank him too if I could have gotten in.

But damn! Three stories for one keynote? And what's with hogging the FP to your own story?

Re:Thanks (5, Funny)

j_presper_eckert (617907) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276471)

I wish I could get my greedy lil' paws on one of these toys. Quite a step up from the ol' 733MHz G4. Sigh.

Is it really powered by the souls of dead ancestors?

/I want an Oompa-Loompa NOW

if post(this) != post(first)... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6276390)

if post(this) != post(first)...

I will bathe myself in chlorine bleach, and then roll around naked on a heap of lyme.

As always, links to pictures will be posted.

YOU FAIL IT...HARD! (-1)

crow_t_robot (528562) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276447)

Suck it Trebek...
Suck it long,
And suck it hard.

BTW, if you didn't get the e-mail, crapple blows.

Knock yourself out! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6276391)

Power Mac page [apple.com]
Apple store [apple.com]

Re:Knock yourself out! (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276609)

Apple been Slashdoted?

well (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6276398)

If by "fastest" you mean "slowest". Or by "world" you mean "this here bathroom stall".

USB 2.0 (5, Funny)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276399)

Is this the *fast* USB 2.0 or the USB 2.0 that used to be USB 1.1 but got renamed USB 2.0 so as to not confuse consumers?

Re:USB 2.0 (1)

Gr33nNight (679837) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276419)

Good thing im not a consumer, or I wouldnt be confused. Oh wait...

Re:USB 2.0 (4, Informative)

levik (52444) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276560)

Well, considering they specify that there's a USB 1.1 port on the keyboard, I would assume that the 2.0 they speak of is the high-speed one.

If that's not the case, I as a consumer would be confused indeed.

Announcing 3Ghz within a year? (5, Interesting)

Drakonian (518722) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276400)

Interesting tidbit there. Doesn't that make some people want to wait for the extra year? I thought hinting at anything to come in the future was very much against Apple policy.

Re:Announcing 3Ghz within a year? (-1, Troll)

laserlights2000 (661582) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276453)

I've noticed that an increase in mac clock speed is actually noticeable, especially in comparison to pc clock speeds. I suppose it might be because our PCs today are fast enough to handle most application,s where as on macs, they are trying to find every ounce of power

Re:Announcing 3Ghz within a year? (4, Insightful)

r84x (650348) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276468)

The difference in policy regarding announcements of future advances may be a result of the processors being made by IBM now. I think it is an IBM announcement more than an Apple one.

Re:Announcing 3Ghz within a year? (5, Funny)

Uart (29577) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276489)

Yes, and unless I suddenly win the lottery, or aquire a mass of wealth before then, I probably won't be getting one until it hits 4ghz. :-(

Time to start looking for my piggy bank

Re:Announcing 3Ghz within a year? (4, Insightful)

BeBoxer (14448) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276603)

Doesn't that make some people want to wait for the extra year?

I suppose some people might wait, but don't underestimate the pent up demand for a high performance Mac. Apple's customers have already been waiting a looooong time for this machine. I don't think announcing that there will be a speed bump in a year will do much to the short term sales of the new boxes. Maybe in six months people will start holding off for the promised 3GHz boxes, but not now.

Technical details here (3, Informative)

Theaetetus (590071) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276409)

Apple's site finally updated: here [apple.com]

-T

Dual 2GHz 970s for $2999 (3, Informative)

BoomerSooner (308737) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276415)

Sun should be very scared. Their Dual 1.2GHz 64bit offering is $14,995. Ouch!

Too bad I have to wait until August to pick one up. Oh well I guess that gives me time to think up a good excuse for why I need one and my wife should be okay with it.

Re:Dual 2GHz 970s for $2999 (3, Funny)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276490)

If you're a tech-savant [e.g. coder, cs, etc..] and your wife is a tech-n00b try muddling something about "multi-port resource deficiencies..." :-)

Kidding. As if I would know how to manage money or a girl. I read /. damn it!

Tom

Re:Dual 2GHz 970s for $2999 (2, Informative)

jmaatta (550428) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276493)

Apple's and Sun's 64-bit products are meant for a *bit* different purposes.

Re:Dual 2GHz 970s for $2999 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6276623)

Not at all -- Apple is trying to steal what's left of Sun's workstation business, and they are evangalizing UNIX developers heavily.

Them are some graphics, eh? (3, Funny)

xdistak (568587) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276420)

For video, the GeForce FX5200 is standard on low-end models, Radeon 9600 Pro on high-end models. Canadian bias!

GF FX 5200 sux0rs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6276634)

I just wasted good money for a 128MB FX5200 video card. It stinks. Slower FPS than my old GF2 Ti 32MB card in most every 3D game. I was so disappointed wit hit that I had to go spend another $150 and get a Radeon 9500 (not even the 9700 or 9800) which BLOWS THE FX5200 AWAY BADLY in fps, and in overal picture quality. The *only* thing the FX5200 has going for it is that "Dawn" fairy/pixie graphics demo, and now you can even make that run in an OpenGL wrapper. Definitely recommend the Radeon cards. Right now thay are the king-daddy-paw-paw. Nvidia really pooped thier corporate britches with the whole FX 5#00 product line.

Image Mirror. (5, Informative)

technix4beos (471838) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276421)

Head over to:

http://www.beosjournal.org/wwdc/ [beosjournal.org]

for some pictures of the new case.

Re:Image Mirror. (5, Informative)

Drakonian (518722) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276536)

Here are some pics from Apple's site. I don't know what to think of it... Hmmmm.

Apple G5 Gallery [apple.com]

Re:Image Mirror. (1)

darkov (261309) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276542)

Am i the only one who thinks that the new case is a bit dull? I understand "clean lines" and all that but the handles seem a bit silly and it reminds me more of PC box. Surley they could have had a lot more fun with a clear plastic and aluminum combination.

Re:Image Mirror. (1)

chrish (4714) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276626)

I agree, in my opinion (YMMV) that's a pretty ugly and drab case... almost like something from 1984. My PC has a very nice (and functional) Lian-Li aluminum case that looks much better.

Must be Popular (1)

Meneudo (661337) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276422)

Yeah... I saw it on the website for a second there... then I clicked a link. It must be getting a lot of hits cuz i can barely get the Apple Store.

USB 2.0 (-1, Redundant)

mrwonka (131100) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276424)

is that usb 2.0 Full Speed ? or usb 2.0 super duper full speed ?

This might be useful.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6276433)

When building your very own chess supercompter! [slashdot.org]

:-)

DDR? (1, Flamebait)

Surak (18578) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276434)

Why does Apple use DDR as opposed to say RDRAM or some other higher-speed technology? I mean, it might not be 64-bit compatible, I don't know, but they don't put it in their 32-bit machines either.

Ok, okay, I'm sure a thousand people are going to call me clueless now... :-)

Re:DDR? (5, Informative)

Rasta Prefect (250915) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276516)

Why does Apple use DDR as opposed to say RDRAM or some other higher-speed technology? I mean, it might not be 64-bit compatible, I don't know, but they don't put it in their 32-bit machines either.

RDRAM last time I checked had higher total bandwidth than DDR, but fails to be faster where it counts - latency. Latency on non-sequential read/write is where the memory bottle neck is.

Re:DDR? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6276528)

Because RDRAM is dead, no one has ever used it besides intel and even they had to give it up and move to DDR in the end.

I'm wondering about the graphics though. FX5200 is a really piss poor excuse for a video card, and 9600pro is hardly high end either...

Re:DDR? (1)

w3weasel (656289) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276539)

RDRAM is proprietary and not an open standard, and it has a licensing scheme that makes the RIAA look like mild mannered buisiness men. RDRAM is faster clock cycle but but with narrower (much narrower) pipes, resulting in equal or slightly lower perfomance than DDR ram.
DDR is much more likely to become/remain the industry standard in RAM, and it is no longer the apple policy to use non-standard hardware.
RDRAM is faster than DDR like a 3.0Ghz P4 is faster than a 2.0Ghz G5 ; )

If it's that fast... (-1, Troll)

caluml (551744) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276437)

Seriously - who needs that much speed in a laptop?

Re:If it's that fast... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6276561)

Other important questions:

- Do you actually need to be *that* smart?
- Would it hurt you to be just a little less attractive to the opposite sex?
- Could you please be just a wee bit less awesome?
- 640K should be enough for anybody, shouldn't it?

Re:If it's that fast... (1)

madprof (4723) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276619)

People who will be running apps in a year or two. You think they can't find uses for that much processing power? :-)

The Dream System. (4, Interesting)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276439)

â Dual 2GHz PowerPC G5
â 8GB DDR400 SDRAM (PC3200) - 8x1GB
â 2x250GB Serial ATA - 7200rpm
â ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
â Apple Cinema HD Display (23" flat panel)
â Apple Cinema HD Display (23" flat panel) + Apple DVI to ADC Adapter
â AirPort Extreme Card
â Bluetooth Module
â SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW)
â Apple Keyboard & Apple Mouse - U.S. English
â Mac OS X - U.S. English
â Logitech Z-680 THX 5.1 Speakers & Monster 2-meter Cable
â AirPort Extreme Base Station (with modem and antenna port)
â APP for Power Mac (w/ or w/o display) - Enrollment Kit

Subtotal $12,632.95

Re:The Dream System. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6276521)

It's a shame there won't be any good games to take advantage of all that power :P

Re:The Dream System. (1)

Chuck Bucket (142633) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276611)

that is the main reason folks like us will be waiting to compare the specs of this 'fastest ever...' to an AMD 32/64 equiped box.

CB

Re:The Dream System. (0)

EverStoned (620906) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276616)

I'm so tempted to ask for a Beowulf Cluster..but that's just greedy..

Fastest vaporware? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6276443)

Fastest desktops.. now? When you can't have one? You see, when these ships, we'll have Athlon64 on the desktop too, so you're not competing with P4s or 32bit Athlons any more.

Worlds first 64bit desktop ? (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6276448)


So this is just my imagination ?

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/ [microsoft.com]

Re:Worlds first 64bit desktop ? (2, Informative)

frightenedmonkey (647424) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276557)

What, you mean for those hundreds of Itanium workstations?

Re:Worlds first 64bit desktop ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6276577)

can u buy it fucktard?

apple.. (0)

joeldg (518249) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276449)

I am kind of disillusioned with apple.. they seem to be all huff an no blow oftentimes.. i.e. their webservers that were going to "revolutionize web serving" or whatever.. oh well, they at least "look" nice for the ladies and men who read cosmo. Guess we will see.. I won't totally give up them yet... they at least have a unix'ish core for the OS now, which is really what has brought me back to apple...

Re:apple.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6276574)

I am kind of disillusioned with apple.. they seem to be all huff an no blow oftentimes..

I feel the same way about your mom sometimes.

WHY? (1)

Shaman (1148) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276452)

Why would they put 2nd-rate (or in this case, third-rate) video in a machine like this?!?

Re:WHY? (1)

TheCrazyFinn (539383) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276630)

Umm, It's got more Video than the average user needs standard (I was expecting a Radeon 9200 as the default), with the Radeon 9800 Pro as a BTO option.

If you need the speed, you can have the fastest card on the Market.

new gstring "fastest orgasm in the world" (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6276459)

Just thinking about Natalie Portman in a g-string was enough to make me explode in my pants

Woah... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6276460)

If I wanted to be running the fastest desktop in the world, I'd be impressed.

Personally though, I want to be running the fastest applications in the world...

But that's just me. I don't choose my computers for asthetic appeal :).

First? As if! (3, Interesting)

toriver (11308) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276464)

"world's first 64-bit desktop processor"

I am quite sure there are some people out there who used Alpha-based workstations back when Digital made them.

Re:First? As if! (4, Funny)

quantaman (517394) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276585)

"world's first 64-bit desktop processor"

I am quite sure there are some people out there who used Alpha-based workstations back when Digital made them.


I'm sorry there appears to to have been an error. Please check all power connections and restart your computer. If you are still experiencing trouble with your Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field please contact Apple and marketers will be on hand to help you with any problems you may be having.

Re:First? As if! (2, Insightful)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276587)

I think AMD tried to say the same too. AMD's site also claimed they were the fastest 64 bit processor even though Alpha is _still_ ahead and Itanium was still marginally ahead of Opteron. Nevermind the fact that you couldn't have bought the Opteron at the time they claimed that.

In fairness, I think they might claim that the Alpha and other processors were put in "workstations" not necessarily desktop class.

Re:First? As if! (2, Insightful)

Adelvillar (96720) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276594)

Not server, not workstation... desktop processor. First 64-bit for Joe and Jane Sixpack with some money.

Impressive, technica blog says 3 Ghz in a year (2, Informative)

Ars-Fartsica (166957) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276465)

I have to hand it to Apple, the machines look to meet and beat the performance of the fastest PC (3 Ghz Xeon) on a bake-off of photoshop. Thus the performance args against the Mac desktops are addressed. Part of the ArsTechnica blog indicates 3Ghz in a year.

Of course, issue is still price. $3000 at the top line is about 30% rich in my opinion, but Apple likes its margins fat, what can you say.

Re:Impressive, technica blog says 3 Ghz in a year (3, Informative)

brucehoult (148138) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276620)

Of course, issue is still price. $3000 at the top line is about 30% rich in my opinion, but Apple likes its margins fat, what can you say.

Uh, I just went to the Dell online store and configured a Precision 650 with dual 3.06 Xeons, a DVD burner, 512 MB RAM, 150 GB IDE drive, and no monitor.

$4354

Great (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6276470)

Maybe those dunderheads that were doubting this on Friday will eat crow.

Naahhh.

G5 Will Not be Released until Q3 (5, Funny)

drgroove (631550) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276472)

Apparently, the G5's aren't entirely house-broken, yet.

G5-based computers previously leaked on the Apple store

Arg! I'm obsolete... (3, Funny)

agent oranje (169160) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276479)

As a PC user, I was used to buying a machine and having a processor with double the clockspeed a year down the line... And now Apple has pulled the same trick :(

Oh well. I'm not going to complain... The specs on those machines were unbelievable - I'm just glad Apple is no longer lagging behind in the specs anymore, and the prices on those machines are reasonable to boot.

Gimmie.

/.'ed the entire Mac community. (1)

svenjob (671129) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276482)

I think we've succeeded in /.'ing the entire Mac community. Their store is down and their site is slow. No to mention all the links list in these comments. Come to think of it, the only site with G5 info that is not slashdotted is... slashdot. Hmm...

SORRY but "/.'ed the entire Mac community." (1)

z-kungfu (255628) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276588)

...my ass. It was the Mac community that brought it to it's knees. Though I admit having the rest of the geeks in on it helped. The return of Apple is near, leave your PC's and come on over to the dark side...

G5 tower pic (1)

usfGPM (235370) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276484)

I'm not sure if it supposed to be so green, but I got this link to the pic of the G5 case off of macrumors.com mirror site.

http://www.oisdata.com/g5.jpg

I'm sure that better pics will be turning up, but this was the first one I found.

are they pretty? (5, Funny)

SockLegend (304331) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276491)

All that technical jargon...they didn't even tell us what colors they come in!

Also of note. (-1, Troll)

TheKey (465831) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276495)

It's going to be the most expensive desktop ever. :D

Seriously, even if it is more powerful than a PC, the value is still going to be the PC's advantage. I suppose that's opinion though.

Yeah right. (1, Interesting)

Gay Nigger (676904) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276504)

I'd like to see some independently-verified benchmarks before I believe that it's the "Fastest desktop in the world". I seriously doubt ol' bullshitter Stevo would tell the full truth.

Re:Yeah right. (1)

druske (550305) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276612)

I'd like to see some independently-verified benchmarks before I believe that it's the "Fastest desktop in the world". I seriously doubt ol' bullshitter Stevo would tell the full truth.
Ah, well, remember that Steve Jobs has been known to inhabit his own little world. :)

(Just a good-natured poke from somebody who just loves his little iBook...)

For what? (1)

MyPantsAreOnFire! (642687) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276506)

I'm not a Mac'er, but I was curious -- This thing is obviously fast because of the impressive hardware, but what good is that speed? I know that graphics apps were at one time huge on Macs, and needed this kind of horsepower. What do you run on Macs nowadays that needs this speed?

Re:For what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6276600)

I often leave a Mathematica program running overnight to do an optimization. With a G5... I would do the same thing, but with a larger search space.

Re:For what? (1)

mcwop (31034) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276621)

Video rendering (e.g. from Raw DV to compressed Quicktime/mpeg4). Rendering effects into video (transitions etc...).

Re:For what? (2, Funny)

jsupreston (626100) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276628)

Eric's Solitaire Suite, of course.

My wife says her Powerbook G3 w/1GB RAM is fast enough, but the PC side of the house says faster is better. I bet I could lose in solitaire a lot faster w/a dual G5!

Re:For what? (1)

NDPTAL85 (260093) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276633)

Graphics apps you dolt! They're still available on Macs you know.

Oh baby (0, Flamebait)

ickoonite (639305) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276511)

We've been waiting for it for so long now.

And now watch and laugh as x86 users take that classic Mac argument - MHz doesn't matter - and try to use it against every Mac user. But dear x86er, only yesterday, you said that MHz did matter!? I'm so confused...

The tables are turned. Now you have something very pretty, you have Microsoft Office, you have some decent games, you have pro applications, you have UNIX, you have open source...

It's all there, and the speed argument is over. This is what every geek has been waiting for.

iqu :D:P

Re:Oh baby (2, Insightful)

realdpk (116490) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276610)

*ahem*

This geek has been waiting 'til he can buy a apple or apple clone motherboard down at the local computer shop, plus CPU. 'til then, there's very little chance I'll try out the mac platform.

Last I remembered... (1)

exp(pi*sqrt(163)) (613870) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276524)

...SGIs fitted on my desktop. In fact, they have a smaller footprint than PCs. Can we sue Apple for misrepresentation in advertising?

Overtaking the "Slashdot effect" (3, Interesting)

doorbot.com (184378) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276529)

For those of you who were trying to get regularly updated info on the release of the G5, you may have noticed that most of the Mac sites are specifically requesting their users do not refresh the page continually. Likewise, most sites have taken their forums offline (even Ars Technica, who is not a "Mac-only" site).

Is this the new Slashdot effect? Mac users going ballistic over Apple's latest release and posting and reloading their favorite sites continually?

On a side note, is it just me, or is the new design very "bland," even "unoriginal."

Caught me by suprise (1)

icemax (565022) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276530)

Apple did a REALLY good job keeping this info under wraps untill really recently. 64 bit desktop, affordable, 1ghz memory bandwidth.... the price/performance is definetly there!

show me the benchmarks (2, Insightful)

obsid1an (665888) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276535)

As amazed as I would like to be by these claims I can't help but be a little aprehensive. Could Apple really have closed the over one year gap Intel has (or had) in technology? Going from Pentium 3 speeds to speeds surpassing the latest from Intel & AMD? I'm not going to swallow that claim until I see some independent benchmarks.

This article looks like an Ad. (-1, Flamebait)

HanzoSan (251665) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276538)



The fastest computer ever? Please. I want to see the powerbook version, it could make a fast laptop but thats about it. Pentium 4, Itanium, AMD Clawhammer all smoke this new computer.

Dear Apple (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6276540)

Dear Apple,

I am a homosexual. I bought an Apple computer because of its well earned reputation for being "the" gay computer. Since I have become an Apple owner, I have been exposed to a whole new world of gay friends. It is really a pleasure to meet and compute with other homos such as myself. I plan on using my new Apple computer as a way to entice and recruit young schoolboys into the homosexual lifestyle; it would be so helpful if you could produce more software which would appeal to young boys. Thanks in advance.

with much gayness,

Father Randy "Pudge" O'Day, S.J.

Monitar! (1)

cenobita (615440) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276544)

Am I the only one wondering whether or not we'll see some new displays to go along with this? :)

AGP? I don't want no stinking legacy bus. (0, Troll)

Thinkit3 (671998) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276546)

PCI-X has nearly the same bandwidth. Why put legacy crap on this? What's next? A 5 1/4 floppy?

For music (5, Interesting)

ericdano (113424) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276551)

Damn you Steve Jobs. You introduce something perfect for the Music world yet again. The Emagic 1000 note demo was very cool, but thinking about all the plugins one could use in Protools or other programs.....plus Optical Inputs.....the drool factor is extreme.

So, Steve, I'm going to be saving my money again to get one of your products. The last one, a 9500 bought in 1996 has lasted very well. I wish I could say the same for the Pentium PC I bought in 1997.

I look forward to making tons of recordings and music with this new rig!

And so it goes... (5, Funny)

Waffle Iron (339739) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276554)

Mac arguments through the years:

1994: Your peecees suck so bad because they're soooo slow. Our CPU benchmarks kick your butts. We are the speed kings!

1999: So what if your peecee CPUs are faster than ours. It's not about speed, it's about quality. Speed is totally irrelevant. You're all just speed whores.

2004: Your peecees suck so bad because they're soooo slow. Our CPU benchmarks kick your butts. We are the speed kings!

Shrooms! (0, Flamebait)

blunte (183182) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276559)

Steve Jobs must be back in the shrooms again.

Or maybe there was a misprint. Should be:
"Fastest Desktop in My World".

SPEC results (5, Interesting)

Florian Weimer (88405) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276570)

The SPEC results are really interesting. Single-processor integer performance (which matters most at least for me, although CPU performance is hardly interesting for me these times) is slightly worse than Intel's flagships, but the clock rate is also significantly lower.

However, the most interesting part is that they used GCC to compile the SPEC suite, and not some special compiler to make hardware look good in benchmarks (in contrast to some vendor compilers). Given that all the software I run has been compiled by GCC (with the exception of a few Lisp programs), the numbers are a bit more relevant than the usual SPEC results for me.

On the other hand, you could claim that Apple chose GCC on the Intel platforms to make them look bad in this comparison...

dissapointment (1)

null-sRc (593143) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276571)

only 20% faster in fpu?

and 10% slower in int?

than a p4?

and it's supposed to compete with the optetron/itanium?

how dissapointing... :'(

"fastest desktop in the world" (1)

rocco2nr (632976) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276575)

Calling this computer the "fastest desktop in the world" is like calling the McLaren F1 the "fastest car in the world."

I don't know about you guys (0, Offtopic)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276578)

but I have a huge apple-shaped boner right now.

I'm trying to see who wants to buy my pc as we speak. Windows is so 1984.

In other news, Apple is going to ship these with a no-button mouse, simplfying the input device to ease new users into their new faster-than-thought systems, as well as pissing off /.ers everywhere.

I guess I'm a "switcher" now (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6276583)

Apple will never replace my Linux boxes because there will always be a place on my desktop for open source, but these announcements today are pretty impressive. Unlike some of you, I don't follow Apple news so I really didn't expect them to pull this off. I've never bought an Apple, but the Wintel stuff is suddenly looked *real* old-hat. I'm still debating it, but I think these new G5s will make a dent in my budget. :)

--zb

Dear Randy (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6276586)

Dear Father O'Day:

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I'm happy to answer your letter by letting you know that YES we will be releasing an entire hLife ("homo-life") software line. You'll be able to recognize it in stores by the small stylized logo depicting a large cock entering a tight anus with an Apple logo on it. ("Suddenly it all comes together" indeed!).

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AltiVec (3, Informative)

ikewillis (586793) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276598)

Perhaps the most interesting aspect of these new systems will be seeing how AltiVec performs now that the processor has a bus with sufficient bandwidth to keep the AltiVec unit supplied with instructions and data. On the older G4s the AltiVec unit could execute instructions faster than the bus could supply it with instructions and data to process.

Looking for a job? (5, Funny)

jspectre (102549) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276606)

Apparently someone got sacked over last week's "leak".

Looking for a new job [apple.com] as a Web Publishing Manager? Apply at Apple Today!

Comparison isn't fair (0, Flamebait)

mofochickamo (658514) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276608)

For 3000 bucks, you'd have to compare the G5 against 2 or 3 P4 based systems. Otherwise it's like AMD comparing an Athlon based system against a Pentium Pro based system.

SPEC scores.. Xeon? (0, Insightful)

Cthefuture (665326) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276613)

The G5 is 10 percent slower than the P4 and Xeon in SPEC int scores in single-proc units, but 20 percent faster in FPU scores, and the dual-proc G5 beats the dual-proc Xeon in all SPEC scores.

Which Xeon? The 2 Ghz Xeon?

'Course the SPEC benchmarks arn't everything and this is just a very limited test, but damn, those G5 scores ain't nothing special. It's both slower and faster, it almost balances out. And on top of that, you know the regular 'ol Xeon is commonly available at 3+ Ghz. That's still hella faster than the Mac any way you look at it. Not to mention if you had two of them.

I do have to give Apple credit for getting the prices down. Still, a Dual 3 Ghz Xeon machine is cheaper and much faster.

Of course I'm ignoring the nice Apple designs and workable functionality (even if OS X has craploads of overhead and slowness).

if it read (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6276614)

New G5 Power Macs "Gayist Desktop In The World" then it would be correct

9 Fans Huh (1)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276618)

9 fans. I wonder what the MTBF for the fans are?

Or are they using super-high-quality fans and that explains the relatively high prices?

9 fans is only 9X as many as early systems had for years -- or an infinite number more fans than the late, and often unlamented, Cube. Is this progress, or does it just let me go out and tell people my system has more fans than yours?

Why do I care? I want a reliable system, which more complexity always works against.

Oh, man - about time! (4, Interesting)

Moses Lawn (201138) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276631)

Aluminum cases? Yeah BABY -- no more cheesy plastic! For years now I've been impressed by Apple's being the only computer shop doing anything whatsoever with industrial design. Ever since I saw the original Mac in the mid-80s I've been impressed by the 'fit and finish', for want of a better term, of Macintoshes versus the basic generic shitbox clone PCs. However, ever since the iMac New Way I've been really, really disappointed by the cheapness of the desktop cases, especially of the high-end towers. If you want me to pay extra, give me something that looks worth the price.

From what I can tell of the WWDC pictures, things have finally changed. These things look sweet, even if they do look just like the last 5 years worth of towers. Plus it sounds like they kick ass performance-wise. All I have to do now is convince myself why I should go and drop 3 grand I can't afford for no other reason than to connect with the iPod I don't have.

Why only 8GB RAM?! (1)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | more than 11 years ago | (#6276636)

According to the specs there will be only 8GB RAM. why?! It is after all a 64-bit system, isn't it?
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