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Mom Meets Linux - A Lindows 4.0 Review

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the any-key dept.

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JimLynch writes "We just put up the first review of Lindows 4.0, with a twist. I actually gave it to my Mom to see if she could use it. Find out if Lindows 4.0 passed the "Mom Test.""

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frist pist (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6286997)

I win suckaz. ACs rule

a new slogan (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6286999)

Linux: Nerd tested, Mom approved.

Re:a new slogan (2, Funny)

mikeee (137160) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287113)

No, that would be

Mom tested, nerd approved.

Re:a new slogan (1, Funny)

Greedo (304385) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287162)

Depends if he still lives at home.

no (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287190)

It would be:

You're a faggot, you stupid homosexual faggot.

Yeah, so did I (4, Funny)

Nix0n (649693) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287000)

I actually gave it to my Mom

I gave it to your mom last night, as well.

That's nice. (1, Offtopic)

Prince_Ali (614163) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287032)

It is always good to have access to more distros than just one. I assume you didn't also give her Lindows 4.0 since that wouldn't do her any good. So what was it, Redhat? Debian? Tell us what you gave her!

Re:That's nice. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287094)

Knoppix me harder!

Re:That's nice. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287233)

Be Gentoo to me baby!

Re:That's nice. (-1, Flamebait)

Nix0n (649693) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287130)

Tell us what you gave her!

ChlamydiaOS 3.11, with the 2.4.18 kernel, patched with the HIV, HERPES, and WARTS patches.

Given 9 months, I'd be willing to bet the bitch manages to install GNU/ShitMachine.

mother test (5, Funny)

noah_fense (593142) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287001)

my mother can't stay awake for a whole movie, let alone try and learn a "new" OS

Re:mother test (4, Funny)

Steve G Swine (49788) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287101)

my mother can't stay awake for a whole movie, let alone try and learn a "new" OS
Oh, you'd be surprised what your mom can learn - she surprised me!

(This has been a generic "your mama" joke. Resemblance to any actual mom, living or dead, is purely coincidental.)

Re:mother test (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287286)

The fact that you're so soft that you had to post that with a disclaimer just reeks of LAMER!

Re:mother test (2, Insightful)

TedCheshireAcad (311748) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287226)

Well his 'mom test' was whether or not his mom could open up OpenOffice and type a document. Amazing.

My mom... (4, Interesting)

i.r.id10t (595143) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287023)

... has been using computers damm near 15 years. She still calls me occasionally for a reminder on how to get a console window in Win2k (can't call it a DOS window can I?) so she can copy files to her floppy drive from c:\docs

Re:My mom... (0)

drivers (45076) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287175)

Why don't you just create a desktop ICON to start CMD and call it "DOS Prompt" (it's ok.. that's what it is after all). When I set up image disks for laptop customers I set up all their requested applications with desktop icons (actually in folders on the desktop like "Communications" etc.). I mean if she knows how to use the dos prompt to copy files then let her.

This topic is actually interesting to me as my grandma (80+ years old) wants to get a computer next week and get on the internet. Somehow the idea horrifies me, partly because I figure I'm going to get sucked into tech support, and partly because I'm afraid she's not going to understand the inevitable hoaxes, spam, scams, security problems, pr0n being forced onto your screen if you click on the wrong link, spyware, email viruses... *shudder*

Re:My mom... (1)

darkov (261309) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287187)

Why doesn't she just copy the files using the file manager program thing? Seems like a lot of work to copy files. Is this the (bad) influence of a Unix weenie?

He failed to mention that... (4, Funny)

2names (531755) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287025)

his mom is an electrical engineer, so of course she won't be able to understand Lindows...

If it passes the Mom test, (1)

rock_climbing_guy (630276) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287026)

then it must be *better* than Windows. Heck, first thing you know, they might have something that passes the PHB test.

I agree generally, a few additions... (5, Interesting)

numbski (515011) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287029)

While I'm a mac user now (was windows, then linux, then OS X) I'd like to see a few more things done to round it out:

Easy VPN setup (mentioned in the article already, but very important..PPTP and IPSec)

Start the user off as a user with sudo privelages, but not as root...touchy I know for user privs, and it starts off a whole load of but "it's not important" but "oh yes it is" all over the place. OSX manages it nicely, I see no reason why Linux can't do the same.

Bundle an office client. It's KDE...KOffice isn't there by default? ???

I think that's about it. Other than of course throwing in a dock and putty a happy mac face on it. :P

Re:I agree generally, a few additions... (1)

gordon_schumway (154192) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287213)

Bundle an office client. It's KDE...KOffice isn't there by default? ???

You seem to have forgotten that Lindows is trying to sell you free software with their $99 annual subscription.

Re:I agree generally, a few additions... (1)

BigBir3d (454486) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287271)


Price: $49.95 for operating system, $49.95 for Click-N-Run software library access.

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Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287035)

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Hmmm... (1, Offtopic)

Descartes (124922) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287036)

Well, my mom works for a software company. I don't think this is a very difficult test.

The one Mom-Test failure (4, Insightful)

aridhol (112307) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287037)

They indicated only one Mom-Test failure: Mom (in her role as an average user) looked for MS Office. To me, this is an example of Linux's biggest problem on the desktop: mindshare. Until we can convince people that there's more out there than Microsoft, it won't matter how friendly we can make Linux.

Linux needs advertising in the popular media. Sure, I can see Linux ads in computer magazines; however, when I turn my TV on, I see ads about how much money you can save by switching to .NET. We need advertising to gain the mindshare we need to become popular. A friendly desktop is a good start; now we have something that we can advertise. Now we need to get the word out there.

Re:The one Mom-Test failure (2, Interesting)

GMontag (42283) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287182)

Your statement is even less shocking than it sounds and more on point than it looks.

A few years ago I was contemplating a new ISP, so I called several in the DC area (Erol's, ATT, etc.) and asked the "order takers" if their systems supported UNIX and/or Linux. ALL BUT ONE asked "What version of Windows are you running?", then they asked if I was running a Mac when I said "no, not Windows, UNIX". (no, I did not go into satire mode and say "X Windows" either :-)

The one that understood right away? AOL and they would not "guarantee compatibility between their system and emulators or 'non-standard' methods".

Go figure.

Mindshare (4, Interesting)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287192)

A friend just got back from an interview at NYU for grad school (MBA). For his job he reviews companies such as Red Hat. He told me when he ellaborated on what he writes about and mentioned Linux, the interview asked, "Isn't that the one with the cute little penguin?"

There's very little marketing of the penguin to the general public. (Red Hat has their, well, red hat... IBM has just their logo and targets corporate users, etc.) Yet this non-techie person at NYU knew something of the mascot. With that and other stories I've been hearing I think Linux is slowly gaining some mindshare, even will little marketing.

Re:The one Mom-Test failure (2, Insightful)

leifm (641850) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287220)

I think the biggest problem Linux would have as far as mass desktop acceptance would be with what I would call TechTV geeks. Those wannabe geeks that think if they just keep buying weird crap for their machine it'll make them know what the hell they are doing eventually. Those people won't use Linux a) because it removes them from what they think they know, and b) because their USB2 video capture toaster oven doesn't have drivers on Linux.

Re:The one Mom-Test failure (5, Insightful)

*weasel (174362) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287239)

didn't the mindshare concept die with the dot com'ies?

i mean, counting eyeballs, mindshare ... weren't these things that marketroids just sold us when we had money and no idea where to put it, and so those best at marketing directed us to nice approachable terms that reflected the 'newness' of the market, and inevitably led back to lining their pockets with our money?

'mom' failing to find a way to write a document seems to me to be a failure of the program-centric interface - rather than something 'task-centric'.

why didn't they just have a 'compose' button or something on the interface?
eg compose->[email | IM | local document | code]
eg browse->[my documents | internet | network]
and then launch an app accordingly. WHAM! mindshare problem solved.

'mom' didn't even immediately assume there was a 'start' button if you notice. which should tell you that she doesn't immediately assume that's how desktops should work. she wanted/needed to write a document, and when she discovered lindows 'L' was apparently set up to mimic the windows 'start' she -then- figured that Office must have been there somewhere. because it was trying to be just like her trusty old windows box.

don't fall into the 'mindshare' trap. windows is most vulnerable -because- it takes experience and training to know how to use it and predict how new apps/features should behave.

mindshare indicates the problem is insurmountable marketing challenges (education and exposure)- and if you'll notice, the only solution to the 'mindshare' is ... marketing. rather like shamans of old, creating the boogeyman so they can be the savior.

Before the Lindows bashing begins... (5, Insightful)

thoolihan (611712) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287043)

A thought for GNU/Linux users, BSD users, Mac users, and even MS users:

The more the desktop market becomes fractured, them more open standards have to be. The more companies will be willing to release hardware documentation (let the community write drivers, instead of attempting to write for 8 OSes). So, even if you don't like this distro, consider that the 'the average home user' buying a distro like this might still be a good thing.


Re:Before the Lindows bashing begins... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287266)

I dont think that there is/should be any need for distro-bashing, aslong as you are looking at the intended audiance and goal of that distro.

Sure, if Lindows was trying to peg itself as a power-user-geek distro for Linux, and came at us with this. Most people would shake their heads and be rather annoyed.

But, the goal of Lindows is to bring linux out of a 'geek-toy' world, and into the real market with real 'avg' users able to install it, run it and not have a steep learning curve to get over.

If Lindows was doing a *bad* job at its goal, was hard to install, you had to tweak 1001 different things to get working. Then sure, by all means, bash it. But, the only people I can see trying to bash Lindows as it stands now, are the people who want to keep Linux as their own elite little 'geek toy'.

If we want companies to start writing software for Linux, supporting Linux, having true cross-platform standards and sticking to them, we need as many people using Linux as possible. Need to create the user base before the companies will take notice, and Lindows is a step in the right direction to expanding that user base.

Re:Before the Lindows bashing begins... (1)

Squidgee (565373) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287288)

Lindow Bashing?! It's Linux, whos gonna bash it...

Ohh, they prolly don't notice the L.

The Mom Test (-1, Redundant) (637314) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287045)

You have to dig for it, but here it is for your enjoyment!
The "Mom" Test
We recognize that we're a bit jaded after doing so many OS reviews over time. So we sat our mother down in front of the Lindows box and had her use it. We offered no help, no assistance and no advice on how to use Lindows. We simply put her in front of the machine and let it boot to the desktop.

The first thing she saw was the tutorial. She didn't need much coaching for most of the desktop; she's been using Windows for a while so she grokked what most of the icons were for. When she got to the Click-N-Run icon she paused to listen to the audio about what it was and how to use it. A more detailed tutorial of Click-N-Run might be a good idea for new folks like Mom.

After closing out the tutorial she spent some time clicking here and there. She wanted to open an office suite but couldn't initially find how to do it. She eventually put her cursor over the "L" button in the taskbar and opened up the menu. Since we didn't offer any assistance, she was intent on finding Microsoft Office on the box. After a few minutes we had mercy on her and told her that MS Office wasn't available in Lindows but there might be a counterpart to it. At that point she noticed the button in the menu (we had installed it earlier when we started this review). So she clicked it and chose Writer to get started writing her documents.

While the lack of MS Office seemed to puzzle her, she didn't have much trouble actually using the Lindows desktop. Interestingly enough, she didn't bother much with Click-N-Run once she found her office suite. But this is less a comment about Click-N-Run than it is about our mother's single-mindedness when completing tasks.
click on image for full view

All in all, we feel that Lindows pretty much passed the "Mom Test." It would probably be helpful to Lindows ease of use if OpenOffice was included as part of the default setup (with icons put on the desktop by default) rather than submerged in Click-N-Run. We're not sure how well Mom would have done if we hadn't already installed OpenOffice. She might or might not have realized that Click-N-Run was the place to go to download it.

Umm... (5, Insightful)

twifkak (177173) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287052)

Sorry, but in my case, Windows doesn't even pass the "Mom test."

Re:Umm... (1)

joel_mac (575677) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287164)

...and this is surprising?

Re:Umm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287216)

I think you mean, "the giggle test."

Re:Umm... (1)

Xibby (232218) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287225)

Take it to the next level. Windows doesn't pass the Grandma test. I wonder how Lindows would do...

Re:Umm... (3, Funny)

Realistic_Dragon (655151) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287259)

My mother used to run VMS 'for fun'. I don't think I would dare show her Lindows and ask her what she thinks, she might cut my head off and feed it to the dog before catapulting my decapitated body into Michael Robertson's back garden.

4.0? (2)

jas79 (196511) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287053)

Did they went through 4 major versions in one year?

I hope that they are planing to slow down when the reach the same version as red hat.

Re:4.0? (1)

mahdi13 (660205) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287275)

I guess so, but it's been almost a year-and-a-half now. The 1.0 was released January 2002

Good to see they fixed the pricing problem, only $49.95 for the OS and another $49.95/year for the click-n-run
But I can't find the individual pricing for the click-n=run on their site, the best I can find is the Lindows Plus ($49.95 value) which includes the C-n-R for one year

Meat Mom (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287055)

I gave the meat to your mom... she was screamin' "LUNIX!!! LUNIX!!!" []

Lunix is ghey (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287058)

Windows XP is faster, more stable, and easier to use than any GAY/Lunix system will ever be.

What is all this bullshit about Lunix being free, at sharereactor you can get windows and office for free also, so what is the bi difference?

Re:Lunix is ghey (1, Troll)

Shriek (261178) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287205)

What is all this bullshit about Lunix being free

Is Lunix a new Linux distribution from SCO? If it is from SCO then it is definately not _free_

Lunix: Lunatic's Unix

Problems regarding accounts or comment posting should be sent to CowboyNeal

Mom Meets Linux, (4, Funny)

T40 Dude (668317) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287060)

but can I meet your Mom ??

my mom... (1)

dema (103780) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287063)

...has enough trouble using OS X, something tells me I wouldn't want her near Lindows.

Mom meets Linux (0)

Faust7 (314817) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287064)

"Son?? Help!!!"

Re:Mom meets Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287097)

Oh mom, STFU and RTFM. We can't have any mothers who aren't clueful enough to STFW. Now go away before I LART you, clueless newbie!


What a coincidence! (2, Funny)

L. VeGas (580015) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287073)

I actually gave it to my Mom

I gave it to your Mom, too!

Re:What a coincidence! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287116)


not troll - mod parent up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287196)


Re:What a coincidence! (1, Interesting)

Nix0n (649693) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287229)

+2 Funny ?

I got there way before you did [] , and went from positive karma to "bad" in 2 minutes.

That said, I don't think I'll ever understand the slashdot moderation system.

Re:What a coincidence! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287261)

Maybe because he has a "funny" reputation?

Re:What a coincidence! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287279)

The slashdot moderation system is giving ordinary people (or "kreti och pleti" as we say) the power to look at two comments that are similar, and then mod one down and the other one up. There is no clear explanation why this happens, but it seems to be very random who is favoured and who is not.

Gentoo passed my test (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287075)

My Mum (Yes, we call them mum in other parts of the world) is well suited for gentoo linux. Here is what she does

  1. Checks her online bank account (konqueror works fine)
  2. Plays some games (Im talking about kde's jezzball, tuxracer, and some old windows games running in wine

Of course she dosen't emerge stuff, she just logs in on the kdm.

Re:Gentoo passed my test (-1, Troll)

Horny Smurf (590916) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287204)

mmmm Your mom likes to play jizzball?

I tried... (2, Funny)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287079)

Me: Mom, try Lindows 4.0
Mom: what's that
Me: New OS
Mom: new what?
Me: New operating system just like wind...

Re:I tried... (2, Funny)

kurosawdust (654754) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287246)

Up until the "ZZZZ" part, I was thinking you had enlisted the emacs psychiatrist as some kind of a surrogate mom. Now I realize that you probably just have a really buggy version of emacs.

Huzzah! (1)

Monkeylaser (674360) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287083)

Hm. That Mom test is more or less conclusive. I think I now have a way to have linux computer which my father (the most dangerous of technophobes, a lawyer) could probably handle using.

Looks like it'll be dual-booting for me sometime soon. My question though, is this a good OS for a Linux newbie such as myself to get started on, or is the GUI deceptive about the nature of Linux to the point when I move to a more hardcore style of linux that I'll be totally lost?

Mom Test? (1)

greysky (136732) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287088)

Don't you mean the "Aunt Tillie [] " test?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Re:Mom Test? < -- RIGHT!!! (-1)

Big_Ass_Spork (446856) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287131)

Damn, you beat me to this joke!!! ESR demands that you not test OSS on your mom. You must use your Aunt Tillie...

-- BAS

MILF! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287096)

Oh er um maybe not...

frightening (-1, Troll)

Boromir son of Faram (645464) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287105)

I'm glad to see that Lindows failed with flying colors. Before you mod me down, let me explain.

Linux owes much of its success to its position as an elite, powerful operating system, reserved for the best and the brightest of society. This allows us to turn any Micro$oft FUD about "usability" against them. It is our weakness which makes us strong.

For Linux to maintain its place as the champion of server and desktop OSen, we must resist the temptation to dumb it down for ordinary "lusers."

Re:frightening (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287176)

Ah yes, the Linux elitist, making things hard for Linux users for no reason. Whether it's telling people to RTFM, referring to Microsoft with a $, or laughing at usability studies on GNOME done by Sun, the Linux elitist has all bases covered.

Re:frightening (2, Interesting)

aborchers (471342) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287194)

For Linux to maintain its place as the champion of server and desktop OSen, we must resist the temptation to dumb it down for ordinary "lusers."

Sputtering nonsense. Linux is powerful enough and flexible enough to handle desktop and server applications. What is lost by making desktop variants available for less elite users?

Or have I just been trolled?

Re:frightening (2, Insightful)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287252)

yeesh, buddy, don't pull a muscle patting yourself on the back so much...

Usability and functionality don't have to be mutually exclusive, and there's nothing "elite" about a system that has such a usability barrier. Although, that might be a neat way to pawn off user requests - "oh, you don't need that mod, do you? You're such an elite user, you know..."

Re:frightening (4, Interesting)

Squidgee (565373) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287253)

I diagree.

Due to the Open Source nature of Linux, it's very simple to be dumbed down. You can have "Dumbass Distro" and "Poweruser Distro". All the normal computer people buy Dumbass Distro, and it probably comes pre-installed (Lindows Boxen). All the people who feel limited by it (Err..) can go ahead and install the Poweruser Distro. Hey, and if you can't do that, then yer not ready.

Lindows updating proceedures... (3, Funny)

Akardam (186995) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287111) is also focusing on lower system maintenance with a Zero Maintenance Initiative â" which makes it possible for the user to upgrade the OS, apps or drives with one click.

I see how this could be nice. Whenever I upgrade drives (hard, optical, floppy, or otherwise), it's a 5 or 6 click process... which is precicely the amount of times the screw falls off the end of the screwdriver and dissapears somewhere in the case with a metallic click, to be heard rattling around just waiting to short something.

- Akky

P.S. For the brain dead, yes, I presume that they meant drivers.

Hmmm.... (4, Insightful)

mykepredko (40154) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287201)

I feel like this "feature" is going to make or break Lindows. I can see there being a problem with updating that will screw up all the users and kill Lindows forever.

Sadly, when Microsoft does this several times a year people just shrug and wait for the patch of the patch.

I just don't know if Lindows will be able to survive if they don't implement the update process in any way less than perfect - they don't have the acceptance and power of the Redmond giant.


rh9 is just as easy-to-use as lindows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287118)

i installed RH9 as an OS on a machine I bought for my parents
they are extremely happy with it and i don't see lindows as having any advantages. it costs money. it sucks. odds are it is still unstable as hell (the first version wouldnt even complete the install process). RH9 still passes the mom test, and doesn't suck!

YM:\\ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287122)

Your mom!

About Time! (1)

Elpacoloco (69306) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287123)

My mother would certainally benefit from this.

Linux might or might not benefit. On one hand, this is it's chance to lose it's image as a cryptic, nerds-only OS.

On the other, this open linux to AOL people.

Mother I'd like to Fuck! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287132)

Mmmm, that mom was hot. What I would do to be one of the author's friends so I could hook up with her!

Re:Mother I'd like to Fuck! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287234)

she's obviously easy too. Just think about what a lamer her husband must have been to have a kid like that.

If this guy's mom is like my mom... (5, Interesting)

foxtrot (14140) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287140)

his patience is to be commended.

My mom, about a decade ago, took a class on Word Perfect. She learned what all those F-keys do, which is really useful since nobody seems to use Word Perfect anymore Alas, she brought home one piece of information that is useful for pretty much anything having to do with computers, and only one such piece of information:

"Read the whole screen".

I never realized how much stuff I just scan through when I do something on a computer. Like, when you're installing something, it may note "This action will consume 100 megabytes of space on your hard disk drive and will take a few minutes. Continue? [Back] [OK]": My mother will specifically read the entire thing. She'll ponder on that hundred megabytes. She'll consider whether or not a storm is likely to show up in a few minutes. And as you know, no dialog box ever has that little text in it.

I see "100 meg", "few minutes", instantly click [OK] and wander off for another Coke.

My mother reads EULAs.

I click [I Agree] while crossing my fingers with the other hand.

And as such, it drives one or the other of us bonkers if I ever have to show Mom how to do something on the computer. Either she's frustrated 'cause she's not sure what's going on, even though I try to slow down, or I'm about to pull my hair out wondering why she just doesn't click something, ANYTHING, DAMMIT!!


Anyhow, whether or not Linux is ready for Mom, I'm not ready to try to teach Mom Linux.


Re:If this guy's mom is like my mom... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287209)

Don't tell her about dmesg.

Re:If this guy's mom is like my mom... (1)

Squidgee (565373) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287217)

I've had the same issues. If not with the mom, then with the dad.

Usually I get a "Why do you have to be such an asshole" comment, or some demeaning "computer person" comment. =p

I usually leave him to mess up his own computer, and go back to my Mac.

Jim's Mom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287141)

Jim's mom has a huge thumb [] .

Re:Jim's Mom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287185)

Huge thumb []

What about the Dad test? (5, Funny)

BinaryCodedDecimal (646968) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287145)

It passes if he hasn't managed to delete some critical files after using it for 2 hours.

screenshots (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287150)

in case you're interested in how much they mucked up kde, here's a couple screenshot []

Review to view another thumb (0, Offtopic)

moorg (537751) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287158)

We have all read hundreds of reviews of the latest software. Some are really interesting, others are combed through to get to the screen shots.

Note to reviewers:
If you are going to provide a thumbnail screenshot, then link to the larger image - at least make the larger image actual size, not another fuzzy scale-down.

ok, confusion here. (1)

Flabby Boohoo (606425) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287168)

The title of the story is "Mom meets Linux", but Lindows is built on Debian (per the article).

I don't get it. Is debian a Linux distro or a variant of Linux? If a variant, why is it not "Mom meets Debian"?

Re:ok, confusion here. (2, Informative)

EricWright (16803) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287265)

A quick and dirty explanation is that linux is a kernel. Debian, Red Hat, Suse, Mandrake (and a few dozen more names I'll omit) are operating systems built on top of the linux kernel. These are linux distributions, so your first statement is correct.

Re:ok, confusion here. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287281)

Isn't Debian just a repackage of the Linux kernel with some extra apps? then, why is it not "Mom meets Linux"?

Two can play your game, you rogue.

It's not "Mom meets Debian" because it's debian+lindows.. leaving out the "Lindows" would be leaving out important details. ....You whore

heh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287171)

Any reason to actually read the article on this one? I mean... if the article concluded with "mom" having a bad experience with Lindows, you know it wouldn't have been posted here.

Print Version here (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287177)

Save yourself
[next page -->]
some time and
[next page -->]
click on the print version []
[next page -->]

You thief (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287228)

With sites losing advertising revenue and today's high bandwidth costs, directly linking to a printable version -- with the entire article on a single page -- is tantamount to thievery.

You might as well throw a brick through the window and loot the place. Thief.

Of Course.... (0, Redundant)

eigerface (526490) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287178)

Lindows won't be considered a viable alternative to (insert MS-OS here) until my Grandma can install and run it.

Re:Of Course.... (2, Funny)

twstdr00t (78288) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287211)

I don't know about your Grandma's capabilities... but mine *is* running Lindows, and she is running 2.0.

dumbing down? (4, Insightful)

PaulK (85154) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287180)

The most glaring issue that I see, was the ability to run "apt-get," without a root password.

Ok, so Lindows can replace Windows on the desktop at home, so that the average user can be productive.

But have we really done ourselves any favors?

It seems that we have done nothing more than create a windows "clone", with a brand new feature set of security problems.

Do we really want to compete with microsoft at that level? They have far more experience in the insecurity realm than we do.
They'll beat us to death with experience.

For those of you too lazy to read the review (1, Funny)

Surak (18578) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287181)

Here's a quick summery:

"Lindows is a good OS! My *mommy* even said so."

"Oh yeah, well MY *mommy* has a better OS than *your* mommy!"

"Does not!"

"Does to!"

"Argh! I'm telling!"

Not much different than the usual stuff you read about operating systems on Slashdot.

What about Aunt Tillie? (1)

Chyeburashka (122715) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287193)

Aunt Tillie [] wants to know if she will be able to use this. Also Penelope, who would like to ditch Melvin.

XP Mom Test (2, Interesting)

ToadMan8 (521480) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287198)

Shit, my mom doesn't pass the Windows XP mom test, she wouldn't stand a chance. Then again, I get confused on how to make programs run on a mac. Like that download to make them go thing is hard. Linux, you compile or unpack, easy enough. Windows you install. Apple, what.. this un-stuffing and copying around.... I don't understand how programs don't run with only one big file either. Come to think of it, when you screw up your configuration, how can you delete the .ini or .conf to start over and get the programming running.

must be quite the mom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287219)

my wife (mother of my child) still asks me how to turn on my computer... and last i checked, i keep the power button in the same place as everyone else.

on a power strip hidden behind the monitor, in a tangle of cords next to 2 other power strips.

This Test seems a bit weak (5, Insightful)

Plug1 (588101) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287250)

I know that this test wasn't stiving to be scientific or anything, but it appears that he had his mom play with Lindows for a couple of hours. Wouldn't a better test be to have her use Lindows for a week or so totally replacing her normal windows machine? This would offer better insights into what typical users of Windows are looking for in an OS and how Lindows can better meet thier needs. Just my 2 cents

...been considering Lindows (1)

jpnews (647965) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287256)

I've been considering Lindows as my first non-Microsoft PC OS. Fearing that I would be unable to handle the learning curve of choosing and installing a linux distro AND a suitable desktop GUI, I decided that Lindows might just be the perfect introduction to the *nix environment.

I was not aware that a new version (4.0) was forthcoming. After RTFA, I'm quite sure that Lindows is "where it's at." Anyone care to clue me in to any disadvantages of Lindows versus some other solution?

Debian Does Dallas? (4, Funny)

heironymouscoward (683461) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287267)

Designed by Gurus, built by hackers, crashed by mothers?

Domesticated Pengiuns?

"The OS Your Mother Would Have Made You"

"Linux and Apple Pie"

"Linux, with extra chicken soup"

sorry... the idea of a 'mom test' blew my mind. my mom (at 65) has been using computers for more than 20 years, and i don't think there is any proof that age is a barrier to using linux. how about 'tried lindows on people with a measured IQ of one hundred'.

New Meaning for MILF? (1)

MoMo King (672967) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287269)

Mother, Isn't Lindows Fabulous!?

Price... (2, Interesting)

Silvertre (472395) | more than 11 years ago | (#6287270)

I thought companies couldn't charge for linux based software? Am I misunderstanding something or are they wrong charging $50 for a copy?

Leon Uris, Dead at 78 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6287290)

Best-Selling U.S. Author Leon Uris Dies

Tue June 24, 2003 12:18 PM ET
By Grant McCool
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Best-selling American novelist Leon Uris, best known for "Exodus" about the creation of Israel and "Trinity" on the conflict in Ireland, has died in New York, his ex-wife, Jill Uris, said on Tuesday. He was 78.

She said by telephone from Aspen, Colorado, that the novelist died on Saturday at his home on New York's Shelter Island after suffering from various ailments.

Jill Uris said the author had lived on the small island off Long Island since 1989 and that a new book, "O'Hara's Choice" -- a historical fiction about the U.S. Marine Corps -- was scheduled to be published by HarperCollins in October.

"He completed it in the spring," she said.

Uris' novels reflected his experiences as a Marine in World War II and as a war correspondent. His first novel, "Battle Cry," was published in 1953 when he was 29 years old and it was turned into a film.

Apart from "Exodus" in 1958 and "Trinity" in 1976, Uris was also known for his screenplay, "Gunfight at the OK Corral," a 1957 movie directed by John Sturges with Hollywood stars Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas.

In 1956, six years after becoming a full-time writer, Uris reported on the Middle East conflict.

Born in Baltimore, Maryland in 1924, Uris attended schools in Maryland and Virginia, but never graduated from high school. At 17, he joined the U.S. Marine Corps and served in the South Pacific. After World War II, he married the first of his three wives and worked briefly as a driver for a newspaper.


His 1988 work, "Mitla Pass" was a largely autobiographical account of the Sinai campaign of 1956.

The book's editor Herman Gollob, a former editor-in-chief at publisher Doubleday, described Uris as a "committed Jew" and a larger-than-life character.

"He was a handful. He was one of those great sort of Hemingway-esque he-men authors," Gollob said. "He was a story-teller, he had a great ego but he was a warm, great friend and he could be a ferocious enemy as well, that's the way he saw life.

"The books he wrote were great epics, sagas of people caught up in history. He was a man of incredible appetites, hard-drinking, hard-living, a man of passion and commitments," Gollob said.

The 600-page "Exodus" was published in 1958, translated into 50 languages and became an international best-seller. It told the story of the establishment of the Jewish state of Israel through the experiences of several characters.

Uris followed it up with "Exodus Revisited" in 1960.

By the time "Trinity" was published in 1976, he had established his reputation for long, dramatic stories. The main characters in his book about Ireland were a Roman Catholic rebel and a Protestant girl trying to find their way in a country with deep religious and economic divisions.

Uris married three times. He leaves five children from two of the marriages.
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