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Anybody have a binary? (3, Interesting)

dhovis (303725) | more than 10 years ago | (#6289013)

Does anybody have a precompiled binary of Konq available for download? I'd be interested to see how it compares to Safari.

By the way, are there any Konq users out there who could comment on the effect of Apple working on KHTML and KJS has had on their browser over the last 6 months or so? Has Apple contributed big improvements, or has it been more incremental?

Re:Anybody have a binary? (1, Informative)

Otter (3800) | more than 10 years ago | (#6289166)

Note that this isn't going to help you run Konqueror in MacOS. You'll need Qt/X, the KDE libraries and an X server for that. Try Fink. This is a native version of Qt.

By the way, are there any Konq users out there who could comment on the effect of Apple working on KHTML and KJS has had on their browser over the last 6 months or so? Has Apple contributed big improvements, or has it been more incremental?

Well, Konqueror has been improving rapidly, but then it's always improved rapidly. The developers seem very happy about the Apple contributions.

Re:Anybody have a binary? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6289284)

Note that this isn't going to help you run Konqueror in MacOS. You'll need Qt/X, the KDE libraries and an X server for that. Try Fink. This is a native version of Qt.

why? why do you need qt/X? i was under the impression that with this, you can substitute qt/mac for qt/x and have native widget thingamabobs.

Re:Anybody have a binary? (5, Informative)

ickoonite (639305) | more than 10 years ago | (#6289444)

You'll need Qt/X, the KDE libraries and an X server for that.

You are misinformed. This [befunk.com] makes it quite clear, I think, that X11 is not needed for running KDE applications - notably Konqueror. Yes, it's quite OK to make "ooooh" noises at the eye candy.

iqu

Re:Anybody have a binary? (3, Informative)

Otter (3800) | more than 10 years ago | (#6289535)

Huh, I guess I'm mistaken. Is that the Konqueror from the kdenox package? How far along is it?

If that's what it is, I wouldn't say I'm _that_ wrong -- the only app in that package is a non-standard Konqueror, and there certainly are X dependencies elsewhere in KDE. But maybe this will be the catalyst to get more non-X development going.

But how to build one yourself? (1)

Reblet (671563) | more than 10 years ago | (#6299217)

Although the screenshot is cool, I'd like to compile some KDE apps myself. As such I downloaded the kdelibs (which is an obvious requirement for KDE apps), but the configure script will happily report that I don't have X.

Did anyone have success yet in compiling KDE stuff using Qt/Mac? And if so, can you give some directions on how to do it? :-)

Re:But how to build one yourself? (3, Interesting)

ickoonite (639305) | more than 10 years ago | (#6299540)

Wasted quite a few hours today trying to work out how the hell I could make it compile. There are some diffs here [wiw.org] but I had a lot of problems applying them (not overly familiar with patch, to be frank). In the end I gave up as I was pretty much getting nowhere, but it was detecting my native Qt/Mac compile.

Any help from anyone will be much appreciated!

iqu

At last! (-1, Offtopic)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 10 years ago | (#6289143)

Free the Trolls! You have nothing to lose but your license!

"I'm not a Troll; I'm an _Ogre_!"
- Shrek

Re:At last! (2, Funny)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 10 years ago | (#6289196)

"No, I should be moderated an Ogre!"

Hey, with this topic, shouldn't anyone who's moderated 'Troll' be on topic? :)

If you're having trouble with the FTP on Safari... (1, Informative)

ZackSchil (560462) | more than 10 years ago | (#6289442)

Make sure to set OS X to use passive FTP. Active has been disabled because of security reasons.

Finally! (1)

redune45 (194113) | more than 10 years ago | (#6289592)

I've been waiting months and months for this to finally come around.
Had loads of plans for my native mac build of Qt
But it actually came too soon - still don't have a mac to use it on.

Cool, now what? (2, Insightful)

saitoh (589746) | more than 10 years ago | (#6289906)

I understand that this is an intrical part of KDE and (as someone mentioned previously) Konquerer, but what else (or more specifically, where else) can I use this for? I've used windows a lot, switched the OSX, and have used BSD (but not with X) so this is new to me. Can anyone point me in the right direction as to what this adds to OSX's availible software base? Thank you.

Re:Cool, now what? (5, Informative)

dhovis (303725) | more than 10 years ago | (#6289947)

Basically, this means that any GPL (or GPL compatible) KDE app can now be compiled for MacOS X and use native widgets. When Apple decided to use KHTML and KJS to build Safari, they develped their own adapter library called kwq (pronoucned "quack") to stand in for Qt so they wouldn't have to license the commertial version of Qt.

So now something like KOffice should be able to be recompiled into a "native" MacOS X application. No more need to run X11.

Re:Cool, now what? (1)

ipjohnson (580042) | more than 10 years ago | (#6351098)

> No more need to run X11.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that. I still like having my X session next to my quartz. its nice to be able to export back to my mac.

the other apps too... (2, Informative)

chasingporsches (659844) | more than 10 years ago | (#6290021)

thank you, god, it's finally here. and, i've already got it set up. but i'm not really concerned with running Konqueror inside MacOS... i love safari. but what i am interested in running is Kate and Konsole, which are IMHO the best text editor and console combination ever. i use Kate for all my development, and currently do it on MacOS inside of the X11, which sucks, because it takes like 5 minutes for the apps to start. hopefully this will make life a lot easier!

Re:the other apps too... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6292371)

how did you get it set up?

No joy on my attempt

Re:the other apps too... (1)

Farley Mullet (604326) | more than 10 years ago | (#6293964)

Me neither:

. . .
dyld: /usr/local/qt/bin/uic can't open library: libqt.3.1.2.dylib (No such file or directory, errno = 2)
make[4]: *** [listboxeditor.h] Trace/BPT trap
make[3]: *** [sub-designer] Error 2
make[2]: *** [sub-designer] Error 2
make[1]: *** [sub-tools] Error 2
make: *** [init] Error 2
farmhouse%

And I wasn't 100% confident about getting arts, kdelibs, kdebase and koffice to all compile cleanly against qt-mac. But I'll probably go back to if after more people who know what they're doing have given it a shot.

Re:the other apps too... (4, Informative)

Otter (3800) | more than 10 years ago | (#6294662)

I solved it by making symlinks in /usr/lib to libqt.3.1.2.dylib and the other dylib, instead of to linking to the links as the INSTALL file suggests. I'm hoping to get a more expert answer, though.

Re:the other apps too... (2, Interesting)

chasingporsches (659844) | more than 10 years ago | (#6297987)

i only got Qt/Mac setup in /usr/local/qt by following the install directions. its kinda annoying to compile though, you have to like read the PLATFORMS file for more info. they need to make it simple for people like me that don't like to RTFM. i like ./configure, make, and make install.

KDevelop for OS X? (2, Interesting)

AvantLegion (595806) | more than 10 years ago | (#6290490)

I'm a soon-to-be Mac owner, and as much as I'm looking forward to giving the development tools (and, soon, Xcode) a try, what I would die to have is KDevelop for OS X.

Re:KDevelop for OS X? (1)

CoolMoDee (683437) | more than 10 years ago | (#6290601)

now why would you want to die for it? then you couldn't use it...talk about taking one for the team! CoolMoDee

Re:KDevelop for OS X? (1)

AvantLegion (595806) | more than 10 years ago | (#6291038)

How about "I would kill for it". Better?

Now, what was your address again?

Re:KDevelop for OS X? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6292509)

Redmond
That big house

Re:KDevelop for OS X? (2, Informative)

dhovis (303725) | more than 10 years ago | (#6342802)

KDevelop is available through Fink [sourceforge.net]. You'll have to run X11 [apple.com] for that version, though.

Who wants to get sued? (5, Interesting)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 10 years ago | (#6290704)

Trolltech is a division of Ray Noorda's Canopy Group [canopy.com]. Another division of the Canopy group is a small Unix IP company called SCO. You might have heard of them...

Scary huh?

My understanding though is that Canopy has a relatively small stake in Trolltech, unlike SCO. I'd be curious to know what reason Canopy has for investing in a small software house with strong links to the open source movement. Call me suspicious, but "SCO" (Caldera) was, until a few months ago, a leading force behind a whole new Linux distribution (United Linux) and was making large quantities of sourcecode public.

I hope really Trolltech are run by honest, decent, managers who know what they're doing.

Amazing but true. SCO once owned Trolltech (2, Interesting)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 10 years ago | (#6291591)

This article in forbes [forbes.com] discusses the canopy group and mentions that they once owned troll tech. Its unclear if they still do.

I hate to bring this up with trolltech doing such a public service. I suspect they must not fit the canopy group mold. But their technology is at such a base and hard to replace level one should be aware of who might own it.

The canopy group by the way has already sued MS and won and another company McBride used to work for and won. they know how to use their IP... as a war club.

Re:Amazing but true. SCO once owned Trolltech (3, Interesting)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 10 years ago | (#6292869)

Trolltech is certainly still on Canopy's front page, but I read somewhere the current stake is something like 5% - obviously Trolltech are interesting to Canopy, but it's hard to know if this is merely as something that might be a legitimate source of revenue, or something to abuse if Canopy can find some way of invalidating or undermining the GPL.

They're definitely a scary outfit, and I sincerely hope that there's nothing to be scared of as regards Trolltech.

What's the link? (3, Insightful)

AvantLegion (595806) | more than 10 years ago | (#6291680)

Trolltech develops the Qt API.

SCO is suing IBM over the Linux kernel.

Qt != kernel. They are in no way related.

Re:What's the link? (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 10 years ago | (#6292881)

Read a little about Canopy's history. Suing over IP issues appears to be their standard MO. They, again as Caldera, sued MS over DRDOS, for example, after buying the rights to do so.

SCO willingly released the Linux kernel with their changes under the GPL repeatedly, but they're still suing over it. I really, really, would like to know what Canopy's intentions are with Trolltech.

HOW does Trolltech make money? (1)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 10 years ago | (#6293416)

I'm confused. Troll tech both sells Qt and gives Qt away under GPL. I'm guessing that Qt makes money by selling to developmers who dont want to GPL their own products.

but this raises a point that I've seen varied opinions on. Does linking against a GPL lib make your product GPL'd? Some say yes some say no. which is it?

After all you can system call to a GPL program without GPL'ing your own. SO its not quite clear where the line is

anyhow if one can call trolleck libs without GPLing your source why would anyone bother to purchase Qt.

Re:HOW does Trolltech make money? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6295290)

The library in this case is released under the LGPL. Which means that your own code can be released under any license you want (presumably some sort of commercial license) and you only have to provide source to Qt upon request. Not your whole program.

Re:Who wants to get sued? (1)

tyrione (134248) | more than 10 years ago | (#6305795)

Having an investment stake in owning a minority portion of a company is indeed quite different than a Subsidiary of a Parent Company.

No worries here.

Apple's New Product. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6291333)

NEWS BULITIN - Cupertino, CA

Rumors came to an end today. In a press conference, Steve Jobs announced the new Apple user input/output device. The device, called COCK(R), it is a radical shift in human interaction devices. COCK(R)'s enhanced as it also contains feedback support.

Basically COCK(R) looks like a shaft with two balls at the end. A user places the shaft into their mouth and keeps the balls pointed towards the monitor. There are sensors on the balls that track the motion of the COCK(R) in relation to the monitor. The user must look at the area on the screen to move the mouse. Thrusting of the shaft results in click actions. Additional functions may be provided by mapping licking and coddling the balls.

Since the device is used by one's mouth, bio-metric security can easily be used on OS X. COCK(R) has a built sampling device which can match saliva to specific users on the computer. As such, the user will have access based on their spit.

Feedback exists in several forms. First the shaft may increase in size to better fit the user's mouth. This usually takes a couple of minutes. There is also the ability to give the user a slight shock given error conditions on the computer. Additionally, in severe error states, a milky substance will be emitted from the COCK(R) to signify an error condition to the user.

Questions at the press release signified mixed opinions on COCK(R). There seems to be resistance to using such a device in the non-Macintosh community. Steve Jobs acknowledged this problem. As such, the current mice will still be available when purchasing Macintoshes. Currently Apple is marketing towards current users of their platform. "Product testing showed us that long-term Mac users were most willing to use COCK," Jobs stated.

Despite resistance, Apple does not feel it will hurt their sales, only increase them. Jobs said "We at Apple hope that COCK will be as important as our switch to G3 based computers. As such, our marketing staff are fully committed to convincing every one that COCK is the best."

Now that Steve Jobs released COCK(R) onto the world, he hopes sales will increase steadily. One mac fan stated "COCK is the best IO device in the world. Even the milky error substance tastes great!" Apple's stock has not significantly dropped or rose. However, Apple's online store estimates that sales of COCK(R) will rise in the next two weeks.

Kant wait for Konsole (3, Interesting)

smoon (16873) | more than 10 years ago | (#6292623)

Kan anyone Kompile Konsole and release the binary?

It is _way_ better than terminal.app. Once you get used to 5-10 terminal sessions with buttons on the bottom of one window to access them all it's hard to go back.

Does this mean that KDE in general could run on Mac? ie.: replace the 'bouncy bar' with the KDE window manager, multiple screens, etc. Or is that a window manager/X-windows thing that won't work on top of quartz?

iTerm? (4, Informative)

feldsteins (313201) | more than 10 years ago | (#6294630)

iTerm [versiontracker.com] also allows for tabbed terminal windows. Tried it once for a few minutes, so I don't know much more about it. YMMV.

Re:Kant wait for Konsole (3, Informative)

kalidasa (577403) | more than 10 years ago | (#6304731)

Does this mean that KDE in general could run on Mac? ie.: replace the 'bouncy bar' with the KDE window manager, multiple screens, etc. Or is that a window manager/X-windows thing that won't work on top of quartz?

I'm nearly certain you can run KDE on a Mac with fink and X11 (I am certain that you can run Gnome on a Mac this way, having done so myself). You can use KDE apps on a Mac in X11 rootless if you install KDE via fink. But I'm pretty sure that you won't be able to run Aqua apps from a KDE desktop, only from an Aqua desktop (regardless of whether or not X11 is running in rootless mode with KDE apps).

I'm gay, I'm out, I'm Apple (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6298184)

We are queer. We are here!

Be warned (2, Interesting)

anarkhos (209172) | more than 10 years ago | (#6298925)

Using Qt does not make your app follow the human interface guidelines, nevermind various mac conventions which aren't mentioned in the guidelines.

mac problem (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6299164)

I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a Mac (a 8600/300 w/64 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.

In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.

I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 300 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.

Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.

Re:mac problem (1)

chasingporsches (659844) | more than 10 years ago | (#6299941)

running MacOS X on 64MB of ram is equivalent to running Windows XP on 64MB of ram. it can be done, but why you would want to is beyond me. put OS 8.5 or 9.1 on that box and i'm sure it'll work for ya... i've got a 5500/225 running 9.1 at home with 64MB of ram and don't have a single problem with speed.

you have been trolled (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6300578)

he is a windows moron posting this crap on every apple topic. welcome to slashdot.

/. power! (2, Funny)

hatrisc (555862) | more than 10 years ago | (#6301789)

I've already downloaded mine, so let the slashdotting commence!) Now you can run a Mac-native version of Konqueror alongside Safari!"

bastard, just because you can control when slashdotting begins, doesn't mean you have to brag about it.

dcgui-qt now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6303506)

Maybe someone can (or can help me) compile dcgui-qt for OSX native now! It is a great Direct Connect alternative client that I've been using in X11 for a while. http://dc.ketelhot.de/. They have their own forums for help.
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