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More Cheap Linux PCs

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the bottom-fishing dept.

Hardware 326

prostoalex writes "The low-cost Linux PC market so far dominated by Lindows got a new entrant. According to News.com, Linare plans to sell a $199 no-monitor model with 1GHz VIA CPU, 128MB RAM, 20GB HDD, KDE, OpenOffice. An extra $50 would get the user upgraded to a 2GHz Athlon. Company is located in beautiful Bellevue, WA, which, as News.com noted, is quite close to another Seattle suburb - Redmond, WA."

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clitorish fish (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289304)

"penis fish" is an IDIOTIC handle. Lick me, btw.

Re:clitorish fish (-1, Flamebait)

penis fish (671987) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289334)

So is spelling it "clitorish." Suck me hard. Also, visit # on DALnet. Be sure to lick my cock while you're there. Thanks.

Re:clitorish fish (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289416)

did you just troll yourself... how sad

LINUX IS FOR TERRORISTS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289690)

All good, law-abiding, patriotic Americans will buy Windows XP [microsoft.com] .

Will they donate to linux development? (5, Insightful)

Thinkit3 (671998) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289313)

It's only right that if they make money off linux, they should donate to those who work on it. If they would advertise it, I'd be more likely to buy from them.

Re:Will they donate to linux development? (1)

Tzu Sun (682339) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289663)

What better ad than being posted in Slashdot? Hell at those prices I might pick up one next monthâ¦. Hold on ... whatâ(TM)s the shipping going to cost?

Re:Will they donate to linux development? (5, Interesting)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289727)

It's only right that if they make money off linux, they should donate to those who work on it. If they would advertise it, I'd be more likely to buy from them.

'Right' or 'wrong', we both know that's not going to happen with a $199 PC.

The PC market isn't known for its huge margins to begin with; I'll bet that in that particular sector *every* cent counts, and someone else would leap in and release a $5-cheaper machine without the donation.

Like it or not, that's what would happen.

sounds cool (4, Interesting)

adamruck (638131) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289321)

lindows still has the market on cheap linux laptops though

More importantly... (1, Funny)

Glonoinha (587375) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289450)

Are Windows2000 Pro drivers available for all the components?

Re:More importantly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289493)

why don't u go and find out

Re:More importantly... (5, Funny)

croddy (659025) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289495)

why not check the CVS repository at microsoft.com?

Re:More importantly... (-1, Flamebait)

Directrix1 (157787) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289607)

why not check the bitkeeper suppository up Linus's ass?

More info please (0)

visualight (468005) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289324)

What about the video? Is it on board or not included or what? I think not included would be better myself.

Perfect match (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289330)

A system no one could love running an OS no one wants.

And for another $50 ... (4, Funny)

DogIsMyCoprocessor (642655) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289331)

you can get your "Linare" upholstered with fine Corinthian leather.

Re:And for another $50 ... (4, Funny)

leshert (40509) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289625)

I understand they used to have a naugahide option as well, but between the ban on importing British naugas due to BSE concerns and the protests by PETA, they've withdrawn that one.

broken website..? (0, Interesting)

subk (551165) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289332)

Gee they tout linux, but their own web menus don't work in mozilla?? What gives.?

Re:broken website..? (2, Insightful)

visualight (468005) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289365)

Work with my mozilla. I'm using 1.4b from ubl.

Re:broken website..? (1)

cookiepus (154655) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289657)

Glad to see they're keeping with the spirit...

Re:broken website..? (0, Flamebait)

jlanthripp (244362) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289455)

Gee they tout linux, but their own web menus don't work in mozilla?? What gives.?

They sort of half-assed work in Mozilla (the drop-down menus don't show up, but the top links in the bar work). Konqueror doesn't even show the links in the menu bar at all.

Oh well, it's not like I was planning to buy anything from them - I use and sell whitebox workstations and refurbished HP servers.

Cheap linux PC (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289340)

That's like saying "Fat Linux Programmer"

It goes without saying.

Re:Cheap linux PC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289376)

I weigh 130lbs, thank-you-very-much

Re:Cheap linux PC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289392)

You're about two feet tall, right?

How is this a Linux PC? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289342)

How is this a Linux PC? I can see the flames now if Dell started selling Windows PCs, and not just PCs.

in simpler terms (1, Insightful)

SweetAndSourJesus (555410) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289362)

It's a PC that's got Linux [linare.com] on it.

Clear enough?

hopefully (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289343)

'Linux != cheap' in the minds of the (m)asses.

Re:hopefully (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289390)

well hopefully they understand the 200 bucks is going for the hardware not the operating system

wont work , support costs to much (3, Interesting)

pigscanfly.ca (664381) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289347)

I dont see how they can offer twenty four hour support for $19.95 (price of OS if purchased with support option sepearate from computer) .

Re:wont work , support costs to much (4, Informative)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289388)

to quote the article

Linare will try to offer better technical support than do current $200 PC makers by outsourcing technical support to employees in India who don't cost as much to hire. It will also sell its products in India, not just to countries such as the United States, where Microsoft holds more sway, Sundaram said.

"Because we are going to keep the operating expenses low, it gives us a good profit margin,"

Re:wont work , support costs to much (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289395)

How is $19.95 expensive?

Re:wont work , support costs to much (1)

nmg (614483) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289580)

He meant expensive to Linare.

Re:wont work , support costs to much (4, Funny)

ePhil_One (634771) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289402)

I dont see how they can offer twenty four hour support for $19.95

Sure, they only support it for twenty four hours after you purchase it.

Re:wont work , support costs to much (2, Interesting)

shepd (155729) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289424)

Easy!

- 1 GHz VIA Processor with Motherboard (built in everything) - $50 US
- 20 GB JTS (heh... probably not that bad) HDD - $40 US
- Keyboard + Speakers + Mouse - $2
- Case with 100 watt power supply - $15
- 128 MB RAM - $15

(wholesale prices, of course)

Total: $122.

Lots of room for profit.

Contact them =) (4, Informative)

Andorion (526481) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289356)

I just called the number, 1-877-77-LINUX, and apparently there's one person who knows the technical specs on the PC, and he was away from his desk!! I was curious what (if any) dvd/cd drive it had, what graphics card it had, if it came with a floppy drive, and if there was any ethernet option.

I'm about to leave work, so someone else try calling and finding out =)

~Berj

Re:Contact them =) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289454)

It looks like another sticker-only company.

That's where the OEM doesn't actually do anything but design a cool sticker to put on the front of the hardware that someone else made.

Re:Contact them =) (4, Funny)

rmarll (161697) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289621)

Who cares if she knows the answer, she's hot!

http://www.linare.com/images/prod_left.jpg

That's right kids, even if your two bit operation is barely off the ground a hot receptionsit and a proper slashdoting can get your linux clients banging your door down in an instant!

include the cost of a monitor (2, Informative)

dh003i (203189) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289359)

Add $70 or $134 for a 17 or 19" monitor, respectively. So, it's really $270 to $370 dollars for a full system (of course, people need not buy monitors if they already have one).

Re:include the cost of a monitor (2, Interesting)

jroysdon (201893) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289464)

Plus at least $50 shipping.

I recall that Lindows PCs from Walmart had a huge shipping markup (like $100). Looks like the shipping is more reasonably priced at ~$15 now.

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Questionable Quality (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289371)

I would be concerned about the quality of a $200 PC.

Re:Questionable Quality (0)

tarquin_fim_bim (649994) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289476)

Mod parent up +5 insightful

Actually, I wouldn't. (3, Insightful)

Peter Cooper (660482) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289636)

I'm in the UK. Computer components cost more here, yet I could build a perfectly fine PC for under $200. I actually keep tabs on how much it'd cost me to get a basic rig up and running for, incase my machine explodes, whatever, and I need something to tide me over.

You can build a regular Duron 1.3Ghz box including case, keyboard, mouse, 30GB HD, 128MB RAM, and using onboard video, sound and LAN for about £140 including the 17.5% sales tax.

Generally US retailers bizarrely don't include the tax (even though you're gunna pay it anyway), so deduct 17.5% from my figure, that's £119.15.. which is just over $190.

These guys are in the US, and they're trade.. so they're getting their parts at well below $200, and probably have a margin of 50%, excluding labor, which, admittedly, could be the deal breaker in the bloated US salary market.

Looks like a good choice for a router (4, Insightful)

Aardpig (622459) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289373)

I'm currently looking for a cheap computer to use as a router/firewall/internet gateway for my home network. This looks like a good solution; just bang in the spare wireless & ethernet cards sitting in my bits box, bridge them together, and then hook in my USB ADSL modem. Stuff on some iptables rules and some intrusion detection, and I've got just the setup I need. Best bit is, I won't be paying for the two expensive things I don't need: MS Windows and a monitor.

Re:Looks like a good choice for a router (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289584)

How about just buying a fucking router?

Re:Looks like a good choice for a router (4, Informative)

Aardpig (622459) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289683)

How about just buying a fucking router?

Because most routers I have come across have broken functionality, broken security, and don't have much scope for expandability. What if I want to use my router as a proxy web server too? Or as a DNS caching server? Or to host a website for my home network? Or as an NTP server so all my machines have their clocks in sync?

Re:Looks like a good choice for a router (4, Interesting)

Cyno (85911) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289656)

Hell at 2 Ghz you could throw on a database, web server and some cgi scripts, caching web proxy, mail server, internal and external DNS, samba and NFS file servers and still have spare cycles for your fav network game server.

Slap in a firewire card you could serve several hundred gigs of movies, music, content and porn to your whole neighborhood.

Computers like that are simply too powerful to put in the hands of anyone who can afford $250.

Re:Looks like a good choice for a router (2, Insightful)

tux_deamon (663650) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289662)

Yeah... but the likes of Netgear, Linksys, SMC, and D-link all already provide SOHO solutions to those ends (WiFi NAT Switch), and sell for considerably less (especially when considering TCO -- ie. electricity and noise).

Don't get me wrong... I realize a full fledged *nix NAT box would be considerably more flexible, not to mention more fun. :)

Re:Looks like a good choice for a router (1, Informative)

condition-label-red (657497) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289770)

I have been using used Dell desktops from Used-PCs.com [used-pcs.com] for routers, firewalls, etc. They are surprisingly quiet and cheap (sub $100 in some cases).

More friendly than what?? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289374)

Linare provides home users a more user friendly and a reliable operating system

I love statements like that, More friendly and reliable than what?? A TRS-80?? Mac?? Silly marketing

Re:More friendly than what?? (3, Interesting)

Otter (3800) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289602)

Some other quotes from the Linare site:
  • Linare helps companies to deliver against the challenge by Linux/ Open Source technology.
  • Linare benefits users by providing One Stop Solution for migrating to Linux.
  • This is the operating system home users have been looking for which makes the home users life easier with desktop and many other open source application.
I suspect this is more a case of extremely poor English than misleading marketing. I'm amazed that it's a US-based company -- most Taiwanese companies have better English on their sites.

And for another few bucks... (0, Flamebait)

tempest303 (259600) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289389)

...can I get GNOME instead of KDE, too, so I can actually spend time using it and not just configuring it and figuring out the menus? :P

Re:And for another few bucks... (1)

pe1rxq (141710) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289439)

Well at least they sell it with openoffice installed. Unlike lindows were you can spend some quality time trying to install it through click&run.....
It looks like they deliver a pretty usable set of software... (don't know how its setup but if it comes preinstalled not much can be fucked up :)

Jeroen

TIVO! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289391)

Is this the same VIA chipset that can be used to make a TIVO replacement? Anyone happen to know what the computers look like, if they happen to have an extra PCI slot, and if they are fanless?

Re:TIVO! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289429)

"Anyone happen to know what the computers look like"

Here's a pic [goatse.cx] . 0rds943r4

Mini-ITX (5, Informative)

aking137 (266199) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289405)

The so-called Mini-ITX servers, which have possibly already been mentioned on Slashdot, are one way to go if this is what you're looking for.

They're like a regular PC, but in a much smaller box (perhaps the size of two 5.25" CD-ROM drives stacked on top of each other), and are often fanless (no, that doesn't mean they overheat, it means they're designed not to need one...), resulting in much less noise and much less power consumption. Many are cheap, and they make ideal Linux/BSD boxes for all kinds of things - web/mail/dns/anything server, backing up your data (or each other), monitoring security cameras for movement, etc. Here's a few examples for more information:

Here [ramms.co.uk] , here [linitx.com] , here [mini-itx.com] , here [openbrick.org] , here [ultim8pc.co.uk] .

Some of them do actually officially support Linux/BSD AFAIK, such as the OpenBrick and LinITX.com.

-Andrew

Wow... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289406)

A 2Ghz Athlon computer for the price of the processor?

Nice. I'm in.

RAM? (4, Insightful)

tunabomber (259585) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289407)

Is anyone else tired of low end machines that have an excessively fast processor with way too little RAM? Sure, you can always upgrade, but since this machine is destined for non-techies, it should work well out of the box.
I'd rather have a 600 Mhz machine with twice as much RAM so that KDE doesn't run like a slug.
Maybe 128 MB would be excusable if they turn the anti-aliasing and other shiny eye-candy off by default.

Re:RAM? (5, Insightful)

canadiangoose (606308) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289585)

Yeah, that drives me nuts too. Some of my less technical friends have asked me why their computers are so slow, and when I tell them they need more memory, most of them don't believe me. The usual arguement is "the store would never sell a computer that doesn't have enough memory, the problem must be elsewhere."

I usually pull a stick of RAM out of one of my own boxes and lend it too them for a week or so. They usually end up buying more RAM.

It's really amazing how much trust people put in companies. It's even more amazing that companies get away with all the crap they pull.

Re:RAM? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289614)

No. 128MB should be more than sufficient for word-processing and card games. Gamers won't be buying these systems anyway. There aren't that many Linux games to begin with.

The RAM affects the price point, which is the raison d'etre of the system - all the basic capabilities you had in a new system three years ago, but at very low cost.

You want bells and whistles, so you will buy something more expensive. That's how it works.

Re:RAM? (2, Informative)

TCM (130219) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289675)

I wouldn't call a VIA 1GHz processor excessively fast. I have a VIA C3/800 in my server. It runs at 28ÂC when idle, fanless with a big copper heatsink on top. That's the main reason why I have it. The speed? It's enough for an all-purpose home server (DNS/Mail/SMB/HTTP/Routing). File transfers via FTP go at 11.5MB/s with 10-20% load (using Intel 82550 chips though). A PII/400 is faster for floating-point stuff. AFAIK the older C3s had a FP unit running at half the clock speed. The newer Nehemiah type processors are supposed to have FP units running at full speed. However, in no way can VIA CPUs be compared to an Athlon or Pentium at the same clock speed and, given their power consumption, this is not always a drawback as I said above.

But still a valid point, 128MB seems low these days. I don't know how much a full-blown Linux desktop environment uses but I wouldn't want to run Windows with 128MB (that is if I actually wanted to run anything else besides the OS).

Once again (5, Insightful)

The Bungi (221687) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289408)

You get what you pay for. Literally.

The more of these dime companies release crap boxes, the more Linux will be thought of as a crap OS, the kind of thing your redneck friends buy at Wal-Mart because they can't afford a real PC from Dell or Gateway with the "good" OS.

Sounds crappy, but that's where I see this going. Keep it up.

Re:Once again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289567)

Would it help Linux if people tried to sell disgustingly marked-up Linux PCs? No.

Linux' lack of expense is probably the only advantage over Windows which will be salient to anyone who isn't up on OSes. Otherwise, Linux has two big disadvantages: it's different from Windows (which most of the market already worked hard to learn) and won't run the games. The first will never entirely go away, even though great progress has been made, and the second will only go away when there are enough boxes out there attached to people who will buy.

Will this happen by selling massively expensive Linux machines? No. Anyone who wants an expensive Linux machine can already buy an expensive PC and put Linux on it. Everyone who wants that has it.

Re:Once again (2)

Mr_Tulip (639140) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289609)

I tend to agree that Linux name may be somewhat tarnished by its bundling with bargain bin hardware.

real PC from Dell or Gateway with the "good" OS

Regardless, if people buy the product, this is a good thing, as the quality will improve with time.

Compare this with the changing views on Japanse electronics 20-30 years ago, for example. A bit later, non-american cars in the US. I'm sure there are other and better examples of this type of 'evolution' of brand names.

SuSE in the mix also.... (4, Informative)

haut (678547) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289409)

Last time I looked at Walmart's site at the Lindows PCs I noticed they had inexpensive computers [walmart.com] preloaded with SuSE 8.2. I don't know if the sales are competitive with Lindows, but its good to hear that another Linux desktop option is out there.

ITX motherboard most likely (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289414)

1Ghz via? Probably a VIA ITX box so no you cannot upgrade the CPU do your research please...

Trying to run XWindows with only 128MB of ram (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289418)

I tried that and it sucked. Maybe I did it wrong. I'd ask for a ram updgrade if I were ordering one of these.

Re:Trying to run XWindows with only 128MB of ram (2, Informative)

ksheff (2406) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289596)

Running X with only 128MB of RAM isn't the problem. I have machines that have run linux & X for years with much less memory than that. X isn't the problem. It's most likely KDE. I had it on a PII-450 w/ 128M and KDE was very slow. It was like being on a 486 again. Firing up Mozilla on a P-166 w/64M of ram was more responsive.

Unfortunately, the default environment for these machines is KDE. I'm not sure if the 1GHz Via chip & the rest of the system can compensate for the lack of memory and still provide a responsive machine.

"Beautiful" Bellevue, WA (3, Funny)

donutello (88309) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289419)

Obviously you haven't been there. It's suburban hell with blonde soccer moms in SUVs.

This sounds really sweet for a low-end computer user. I know a couple of people I'm going to recommend this to. They will probably blow away the OS and use Windows on it, though.

Re:"Beautiful" Bellevue, WA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289572)

Yes beautiful soccer moms :)))))))

Re:"Beautiful" Bellevue, WA (4, Funny)

dlb (17444) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289670)

Bellevue isn't suburban hell. It's generally a nice place to live.

Renton is suburban hell. Des Moines is suburban hell. Kent (and pretty much anything near 167) is total suburban hell. I'll take the blonde soccer moms in Bellevue to the 80's haired, cameltoed proles in that shithole area south of I90.

Re:"Beautiful" Bellevue, WA (1)

leshert (40509) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289762)

..and Redmond is the 'strip mall' version.

Seriously, I don't understand why being based in Bellevue is an issue. There are plenty [real.com] of other [click2learn.com] companies in the Eastside area who've competed with Microsoft, and some [nwsource.com] that have even hauled them into court.

The reality is that, largely because of Microsoft, the greater Seattle area is a software development corridor, much like Mountain View, CA, or Boston, and it would be surprising if there weren't competitors to Microsoft there.

Question (1)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289431)

Who among us buys the cheapest ??, always and expect quality

Its the quality that counts for most people. The after sales service had better be spectacular

Amazing how much leaving out Windows saves you (3, Insightful)

beavis88 (25983) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289433)

Hell, the OS alone will cost more than the hardware required to run it soon, at this rate. That's certainly the case with the Windows Server versions (although frankly if you spend more on licensing than hardware, you're going to be unhappy...).

Subscription fees? (1)

dioxn (640015) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289434)

I didn't see any mention of yearly subscription fees ala Lindows. This may do well in the low cost desktop arena if they have a 'Click N Buy' analogue without the fees.
This could be Mom's new PC =)

Legal Problem With "Linare" Name (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289437)

"Linare" sounds much too close to "Windows", and consumers are certain to be confused! Microsoft will have no choice but to litigate to protect their brand.

No they won't... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289494)

They already licensed it from SCO

XINE mp3 player and XMMS media player? (2, Funny)

Idou (572394) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289438)

http://www.linare.com/linos.htm

Is it just me, or did someone in Marketing get mixed up?

Decisions, decisions... (4, Insightful)

mikeophile (647318) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289446)

Do I buy a $3000 G5, or a dozen 2Ghz Athlons loaded with ClusterKnoppix? [bofh.be]

Re:Decisions, decisions... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289541)

G5

Re:Decisions, decisions... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289673)

Why?

Re:Decisions, decisions... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289548)

Do you want to run OS X or Linblows?

Well worth the $$ (3, Insightful)

bc8o8 (683988) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289453)

These types of systems will be great for many people who are trying to get invlolved in the Linux community who are either a) afraid of attempting an install (afraid of losing any other OS's on the system) or b) just want a second system to play around with Linux on Also, even if you ARE going to use M$ why not just spend the $250 and install a pirated copy of win2k?! The same system with winXP installed would probably cost you a few hundred dollars more!!!

This market segment's future? (2, Informative)

akgunkel (567825) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289472)

I'll be interested to see what this segment of the market looks like in a couple of years.

I picked up one of the cheep $200 Lindows PCs mentioned in an article here last monday to play with. When it arrived on Friday the modem card wasn't installed correctly (it was screwed into the case but not actually in the PCI slot) and the HD was dead. I'm waiting on a replacement HD. (I'm still hoping it will make an ok toy.)

Based on the photocopied sheets in the box I assume the DOA percentage of these machines is pretty high. I would hope that increased competition would have a positive effect on this, but at these low margins I won't bet on it.

The thing I really wonder about is whether anyone will still be selling Linux PCs at $199 in two years or if they will move slightly higher to be able to afford some form of quality control.

Quite Close? (1)

dlb (17444) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289478)

Not only are Redmond and Bellevue one of the largest suburbs in the area, they also border each other. The MS campus is so close to Bellevue, you could throw an old copy of Microsoft Bob out the window and it would probably land in Bellevue city limits.

But come on, just because MS has its headquarters here doesn't mean there can't be a unix/linux presence. Sun has one of its regional offices in downtown Bellevue. IBM is across the lake in the 206.

They seem to have a lot of faith in their product (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289481)

From the source of their site:

Something makes me think the site wasn't written using a Linux app.

Email Client (0, Troll)

the_pooh_experience (596177) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289497)

Well according to this page [linare.com] , their email client is KMail [kde.org] , the increasingly popular Outlook -styled-email.

While I applaud their efforts, and I am sure I am nit-picking, wouldn't it be like a Eudora [eudora.com] -styled-email-client, or at least an Outlook Express [microsoft.com] -styled-email-client? I mean Outlook [microsoft.com] is more like a complete Personal Information Manager (PIM), for better or worse...

Why no monitor? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289508)

The sort of people who are going to be attracted to a low spec, cheap PC with an easy to use OS will want a monitor.

Why is no one doing a complete PC, with decent RAM, video and so forth for, say $400-$500 range?
Dont these cheapo Linux PC just cheapen the image of Linux?

Complete for cheap = possible (3, Informative)

StRex (32430) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289784)

Just one example I was able to locate quickly - not intending to plug Dell in particular, but here's a few highlights of a system they have for $449:
  • 2.2 GHz P4
  • 256 MB 266 MHz DDR SDRAM (offer this week to free upgrade from 128MB)
  • Windows XP Home
  • 48x CD-ROM, plus a separate 48x CD burner (the burner is a free upgrade they have this week)
  • 30 GB hard drive
  • 17" monitor
  • integrated graphics w/shared memory (IMO the only really sucky part of this system)
  • keyboard, wheel mouse, speakers (integrated AC97 audio on mobo)
  • integrated 10/100 Ethernet
  • 3 PCI slots

Greatest PC ever: not a chance. But really good for $450, and I think meeting your specs of "decent" quality.

Depressing (0)

CubicDDD (556754) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289512)

Must be depressing to sell an OS by putting together code developed by other people .... hey ... wait a moment ...

anybody bored? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289515)

wednesday might as well burn some karma..
from terraserver.com/includes/provider_stats.inc
conn.ConnectionString = "Provider=SQLOLEDB.1;Persist Security Info=False;User ID=terraweb;Password=1mag3s;Initial Catalog=tsv6;Dat a Source=terradb01"
now I just need a few terrabytes of space..

Creation of a blue collar computing segment (5, Interesting)

jjohnson (62583) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289545)

I have a suspician based on the successful sale of these low-cost, Linux based PCs. The PC market has been stable for a few years now, since the failure to drop prices below $500-700 means that a large segment of the population effectively can't own new home PCs. With $200 PCs available that are relatively useful, the market is expanding downwards to include a new class of computer users: the working poor.

What this means, I think, is that we're starting a new generation on cheap PCs that will be more maintenance heavy than Dells and Apples. This will have the same effect that cars have had over the last forty years: since new cars are so expensive, and the only option for the poor to own one is to get a used one or an extremely cheap one. There's a pool of talent/skill that gets built in the lower classes around practical maintenance.

In other words, the same way that my brother's Lexus is worked on by someone with a high school education who tinkered a lot with cars, the sysadmins of tomorrow will generally come from blue collar backgrounds, while the white collar users will move further out of the ability to generally maintain computers. In a business, the IT department will become less educated overall, while having a much stronger base of practical skills.

I'm already seeing this at my workplace, a manufacturer of household commodities. Lots of the factory workers ask if they can buy/have old PCs that we're getting rid of; several have built their own from old pieces they scrounged. We have a developing pool of computer knowledge that comes from nothing but the tinkering of people who can't afford to do otherwise.

While I dislike the possibility of computer expertise segmenting along economic lines (for social reasons), I do see some benefits: clearer cut job descriptions and areas of expertise, and increased adoption of open source software simply because of the price. To get to that $200 price point, you need Linux (or BSD...)

Re:Creation of a blue collar computing segment (4, Insightful)

frdmfghtr (603968) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289678)

I agree that computer expertise segmented along economic boundaries is a bad thing; the following thought came to mind while I thought about it:

If the working poor are using the cheap PCs and Linux as opposed to the Wintel machines out there, all that practical experience could conceivably serve a grander purpose: "street smart" computer users who with a little more formal training could be sysadmins and jump into the IT sector with the corresponding higher wages.

Being "less educated" with the greater set of "practical skills" is not necessarily a bad thing. When Microsoft advertises its MCSE program, encouraging people with (and I nearly quote) "no computer experience needed!" to apply, I put people with practical skills above those with a zero pervious experience and a nicely framed certification certificate.

It's a simple case of "book smarts" versus "street smarts." "Book smarts" can get you the honors at graduation; "street smarts" get the job done.

My $b10 for the day.

Re:Creation of a blue collar computing segment (1)

jjohnson (62583) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289711)

"street smart" computer users who with a little more formal training could be sysadmins and jump into the IT sector with the corresponding higher wages.

Except that if the blue collar moves into the IT positions, there will be corresponding drop in wages because businesses will get skilled workers cheaper. I don't see this as a path up the ladder for those "street smart" users, and that's the social angle I dislike: education with computers, practical or formal, should be reflected by higher wages.

That Model on the Linare Web Page (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289547)

...exactly what does she have to do with the systems that they are selling?

where are they being sold (2, Interesting)

slobarnuts (666254) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289615)

is it me or dont they even have pictures of their own product?

This picture [linare.com] is of a friggin MAC. This picture [linare.com] is of a what appears to be a dell

I dont trust companies that cant even get pictures of their own product. And as someone said before, cant quote product specs when asked.

I bought a $199 Linux PC at Frye's (2, Interesting)

MarkWatson (189759) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289618)

Maybe I was lucky, but the box I bought has been very relible for the few weeks that I have had it :-)

Seriously, the hardware seems OK - the salesman said that they had sold a lot of this model (totally made in China, with a Chineese Linux that immediately got replaced with a fresh SuSE install) - and no returns so far.

Anyway, I love cheap commodity hardware! That said, I wouldn't mind a dual G5 system.

-Mark

Funny. Looks a lot like a Mac... (1)

Bagheera (71311) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289626)

Why is the pic on the Linare PC page a Mac?

http://www.linare.com/linpc.htm

Only two blocks from Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6289679)

Linare is located on 156th two blocks south of the Microsoft campus.

Check out the PC picture (1)

Double-O-Penguin (683449) | more than 11 years ago | (#6289715)

Ummmm... is it just me, or does it look like they ripped off a bunch of Apple's cases? Take a look at the Linux PC link... Maybe that's why they can sell it for less... they got the cases at a 5-finger discount?
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