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First Review of the Treo 600 Smartphone

CowboyNeal posted more than 11 years ago | from the kicking-the-tires dept.

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jlouderb writes "Handspring debuted the biggest product at last week's lCeBit show in New York. Lots of news articles were written about the Treo 600, but I actually got to borrow one of the few prototypes for a day." Looks like the only real negatives are that there's no protection for the screen, and no removable battery, otherwise it's a tight little device. It'll be interesting to see the release model in action.

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What the hell? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6307939)

Is this turning into cellpdadot.org? Every other article seems to be about a cell phone or a PDA.

WHOS YOUR DADDY? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308033)

Whos your daddy? Me! I'm your daddy, yeah... your DADDY!! Why am I your daddy? Cuz I did it to your momma, yeah.... your MOMMA!!!

Re:WHOS YOUR DADDY? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308045)

That's not possible, because I'm YOUR daddy. I did it with YOUR mom, first.

Hey fags! (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308293)

I bet you two ACs are happy that you can now drink each others cream without fear of political persecution!

gimme gimme gimme (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6307943)

top shit i want one!!

first post fools!!

Re:gimme gimme gimme (0, Offtopic)

fishynet (684916) | more than 11 years ago | (#6307950)

you mean 2nd post?

Re:gimme gimme gimme (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6307959)

damn too slow :(

Will it be always on (5, Interesting)

HiKarma (531392) | more than 11 years ago | (#6307945)

One thing that highly annoys me about our current Treo 300, at least with Sprint, is that it's not an always on data device.

GRRRRRRRR. Why don't they know this is what we want?

You must log in to surf the web or do IP, and while you are surfing, your phone is busy -- people can't ring you! And yet people said the Treo was doing a good job of PDA/Phone integration -- just shows how low the bar is there.

The Danger/Sidekick does always on. Is this entirely the carrier's fault, and do some carriers do it right with the Treo 300? Is there hope they will do it right with the 600?

Re:Will it be always on (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308004)

This isn't 100%. While an active data call is running, you can't get a phone call on a 1x network. If you are in the dormant mode (you are still logged in to the network and can receive IMs for example), phone calls do come through. GPRS does not have this limitation which is why the sidekick and Treo 270 don't have this issue but neither of those units can do data and voice at the same time either. You just get interuppted for a voice call. The 3g networks should (in theory:)) fix this limitation

Re:Will it be always on (3, Interesting)

davidm25 (606820) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308169)

But before saying GPRS is better, it should be pointed out that sprint's implementation of 1X is like 3 times faster than GPRS in real world testing.

Re:Will it be always on (2, Informative)

freitasm (444970) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308223)

GPRS allows for simultaneous voice and data calls. It's just the devices are not capable of this.

Re:Will it be always on (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308040)

Always-on doesn't exist, yet... There are different classes of GPRS devices, and none in the market today allow simulatenous call and data connections.

Have a read in our GPRS [geekzone.co.nz] article to find out more about speed, devices and capabilites...

Re:Will it be always on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308503)

You're misled if you think Sprint is making you do what you do. You simply have a last generation device. You want a 3G device. I have a sweet last gen device, the Kyocera Smartphone 6035. Very similar to what you have. It's very good at what it does, but it is from the previous generation.

All the newer devices will be 3G and have data access that is not modem access. It's the evolution of the networks and the infrastructure takes time. Breathe, relax, it's mostly here now. You just need to buy the new stuff.

- theed

Re:Will it be always on (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308596)

The Blackberry that I have is also always on - I have tried surfing, receive emails and making a call at the same time just for the heck trying.

When the data is heavy it is a bit slow - it's the limit of the data network. But for normal uses yes, all of them can be done at the same time...

Perfect (2, Funny)

BigDork1001 (683341) | more than 11 years ago | (#6307958)

New web browser that allows you to surf any web siteâ"including JavaScript enabled sitesâ"and even download software

Five-way navigation for optimal one-handed use Oh yeah, I need to get me one of these.

Re:Perfect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308166)

Yeah, I needed one too so I bought one... Sony Ericsson P800. I hope you enjoy your wait.

lCeBit? (2, Funny)

fishynet (684916) | more than 11 years ago | (#6307960)

new trade show huh?

Okay, but... (2, Funny)

tds67 (670584) | more than 11 years ago | (#6307965)

Still, after about a day of using the device for Web browsing, e-mailing, making phone calls, and taking pictures, we came away impressed.

Yes, but how well does the file sharing work?

hmm, not sure what to think (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6307977)

Am I the only one who finds the timing of this release to be a bit suspect. With Palm announcing the acquisition of Handspring, I don't trust purchasing anything else from them for the time being. But maybe that's just me.

Re:hmm, not sure what to think (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308479)

This was discussed in an interview. The device will be labeled a Handspring Treo for its introduction and most likely some time after it. Eventually, it will be named the Palm Treo and will begin a new line of Palm-branded smart phones. It will be supported for as long as Palm is in existence.

Okay, but... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6307980)

Still, after about a day of using the device for Web browsing, e-mailing, making phone calls, and taking pictures, we came away impressed.

I'd be impressed to see a bill for how much that usage must cost.

Re:Okay, but... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308011)

actually, with sprintpcs vision, you get unlimited data access, thus all of what was done (Besides phone calls) could be done as much as one wants.

Re:Okay, but... (1)

davidm25 (606820) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308150)

Some one has to port a voice over IP to the treo 600:) Phone carries have the must insane price plans this side of the airlines

Re:Okay, but... (2, Interesting)

mpost4 (115369) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308050)

Depends on the provider, I could spend all day on the web on my cell phone and not raise my bill. I have sprint and have added wireless web, so I can use my minutes for wireless web minutes, and I have unlimited nights and weekends. and if I start a call before peak minutes it counts as off peak minutes. so I could stay on-line all day, in theory, to bad I don't have a better battery. but the only problem is that it is only a 14.4 modem if you do dial up instead of using the direct net connection that vision has. I use this net access all the time.
my plan is as follows
500 peak minutes
unlimited off peak
unlimited sprintpcs to sprintpcs calls (I do have many friends that have sprint too so this pays off)
and wireless web (use my minutes for web access)
All of this for $50 a month, I think I have a good deal

Re:Okay, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308139)

Amateur radio is lame and only fags listen to Elton John.

No screen cover (2, Interesting)

silverbolt (578120) | more than 11 years ago | (#6307989)

I would imagine that the screen would be susceptible to scratching without some kind of cover. They probably would sell the screen cover separately. Otherwise, seems a pretty cool device.

That's it, it's already ruined for me (4, Funny)

orpheus2k (166678) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308000)

We entered "Whassup!!!" in only a few keystrokes.



That's great, thanks for showing me how easy it is to scare off all my friends and coworkers.

Re:That's it, it's already ruined for me (1)

IthnkImParanoid (410494) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308229)

They can't be geeks. They must be from marketing or management. A real geek writes a variant of 'I am l33t' into every telecommunications device she tries for the first time. The part about scaring off friends still applies, of course, though it's likely that has already happened if they read slashdot.

Another PDA/Phone (5, Interesting)

IdleLay (682465) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308005)

For some reason I no longer have to have the latest and greatest. For the sheik in geek is now the trusted and reliable. My best PDA - Palm III, best mobile - Nokia 5110. After spending many years and lots of money to make sure that I have the latest and greatest, I now think "WHAT A FOOL" I was to have been taken in by the hype! Gosh I'm either getting old or starting a trend.

Don't take this the wrong way... (1)

gilroy (155262) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308175)

Blockquoth the poster:

For some reason I no longer have to have the latest and greatest ... Gosh I'm either getting old or starting a trend.

The former.

Re:Don't take this the wrong way... (1)

davidm25 (606820) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308206)

Or maybe he just got unemployeed;)

Re:Don't take this the wrong way... (1)

mpost4 (115369) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308219)

Or he wants his investment in technology to pay off, by haveing it last more then 3 months. My cell phone is the same one I got back in 2000, and I refuese to upgreade (at lest untill sprint gets a bluetooth capable cell phone, and from what I read it will be the sony ericson T608) I will admite I upgreaded my palm pilot 3 times in the same time, but that was because I need more memeory, I am not finaly on the Tungsten T.

Re:Don't take this the wrong way... (1)

Jason1729 (561790) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308232)

I think it's option C, getting smart about what is greatest. These "communicators" do a half-assed job as a PDA and as phone.

You can't use the PDA while on the phone, it's a lot bigger than a modern cell phone, costs more than both devices, makes it difficult to upgrade because then you lose you phone and PDA and have to replace both and lose all your accessories for both, same thing if it breaks. In the specific case of the treos they have a thumb keyboard which is useless for any adult male with normal-size hands.

There is no way I'd replace my Visor Deluxe with one of these pieces of crap even if they offered a straight trade. If it broke, I'd buy a used Visor Prism.

Jason
ProfQuotes [profquotes.com]

Re:Don't take this the wrong way... (3, Insightful)

tftp (111690) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308358)

There is no way I'd replace my Visor Deluxe with one of these pieces of crap even if they offered a straight trade. If it broke, I'd buy a used Visor Prism.

My Visor Deluxe broke last winter - the LCD bias disappeared, I guess, but I have no schematic drawings to fix it.

For several weeks I was determined to replace the thing. I looked at Palm, Handspring, Sharp and Sony products, looked long and hard. Every time it seemed that I need that a little bit faster CPU, or that more memory, or that better resolution of the screen... I couldn't decide. This went on for some time.

But in the meantime I needed something to replace the lost device. I had IBM ThinkPad T240 at the office; it is an older (and slower) mini-notebook. I adopted it. Guess what, I still haven't bought the replacement PDA (and the manufacturers went through several upgrades already :-) The notebook is maybe 4x heavier and larger, but it is a real computer, with 6 GB of HDD and 192 MB RAM, and I can do some real work on it. The thing boots Win98 and RedHat 9.0 now, runs OpenOffice, and I can compile Qt apps. To me, returning to an unreadable 160x160 screen is unthinkable. Even the best modern PDAs - with hi-res color screens - are not as good as a standard 800x600 color screen of the T240.

Some features are lost, of course - a notebook does not fit into a pocket, and can't be operated on a few second notice. But I found that it does not matter, since I don't do anything on a few second notice anyway :-) I am now glad that I haven't invested into the pricier PDA back then, because I don't really need it. I decided that I will buy a PDA only when I can explain to myself how I am going to use it, and why I want to use it this way.

Re:Another PDA/Phone (3, Insightful)

deadsaijinx* (637410) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308225)

getting old, happens all the time. People drop out of the pimping race. But they are always replaced by a newer crowd of people with what seems an excess of funds. You are not starting a trend, you are continuing a trend as old as humanity itself.

Price (2, Insightful)

D4rkSt4lker (678569) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308007)

I REALLY want to get one of these, but the price is just not worth it. C'mon really, $599, $699, or $799?! I'm just sticking with my current setup: A Laptop, Samsung N400, Samsung USB Cable, and the extra $10 a month unlimited vision.

Re:Price (2, Insightful)

davidm25 (606820) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308022)

Wait 6 months or a year. The treo 300 started off at 500 bucks and is done to 199 on amazon. Of course by then the treo 900 will be annouced:)

Re:Price (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308053)

If you ask me, $599 for a Palm/phone combo, with a 500MHz IBM 970 and 256 megs of built in flash memory, is an absolute bargain. You try getting anything close to that spec with even half of those features.

Re:Price (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308073)

You can generally knock about 10-20% off the price if you use the Gentoo version instead. Just buy the phone with -funroll-loops and -fomit-batteries. Gentoo is awesome!

Slide-out keyboard (4, Interesting)

lpret (570480) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308018)

It seems to me that a phone/PDA device could really benefit from a slide out keyboard a la Tugnsten T or Sharp Zaurus. Save real estate while adding functionality.

Re:Slide-out keyboard/fold up keyboard (1)

adzoox (615327) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308137)

And to think Sharp disagreed with their own innovation! Ala Zaurus 5600 [kelkoo.co.uk] vs Zaurus 5500 [sharp.co.uk]

Flip cover (1)

cloudless.net (629916) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308313)

I don't really understand the advantage of the slide-out, especially the one in Tungsten T. Yes it makes the device shorter, but at the same time it is thicker too, so it doesn't really save real estate. I would rather prefer a flip cover, as it protects both the screen and the keyboard.

A good machine (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308032)

Handspring deserve to well with the new Treo 600. As well as being an excellent combined cellphone and PDA, it's also probably the first commercial user of IBM's superb new 970 chipset. At 500MHz, this 64 bit marvel uses up barely half a watt of power, and there's some nifty powersaving modes in there too to prevent it using up battery time when not in use.

The 970 is a fifth-generation PowerPC based CPU, and the PPC is itself a decendent of the 68000 series, now rechristened the so-called Dragonball, so it's no suprise to see Handspring use it. It's thanks to this awesome power that the Treo 600 can encode and decode MPEG4 on the fly, which is perfect for mobile videoconferencing.

A superb product. A superb implementation, quality work, and a beautiful design. Can't wait to see the Treo 601!

Re:A good machine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308100)

The PowerPC is NOT a descendant of the 68000 from Motorola, they have NO common architecture and were not even similary laid out. The Dragonball IS a 68000 descendant and is NO WHERE close to the ARM processor that is in the Treo.

Re:A good machine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308127)

Technologically you're right - the designers of the PPC were not looking at the 68000 when they were built. Historically however, the PPC was designed as the next generation of chips taking over from the 680xx range. Apple pretty much demanded the thing, and other users of 68000s such as Atari and Commodore were poised to switch over but business problems with both entities put paid to that.

The AIM group certainly intended the PPC to be the replacement for the 68000. As such, from a business standpoint, it most certainly is the decendent.

I'm certainly glad Handspring has adopted it.

Re:A good machine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308159)

First of all, the first guys post was a troll, a PPC970 in the Treo, yeah right. Secondly, the PPC has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE 68K. It was NEVER "designed to replace it". PPC is primarily derived from the IBM POWER chips. It uses some bus logic from the failed Motorola 88K RISC chips, and that is about as close as it comes to having ANYTHING to do with the 68K. Hell, SGI, HP, and DEC all originally used the 68K in their workstations, does that make the MIPS, PA/RISC, and Alpha chips "descendants" as well?

Re:A good machine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308244)

Of course MIPS, PA/RISC, and the Alpha chips are not business descendants of the 68k range. Not one of those three CPUs was built by Motorola.

The PPC, OTOH, was, and Moto did intend to phase out the 68k and replace it entirely with PPC based CPUs. The major 68k-based computer manufacturers that didn't design an entire new CPU architecture for their own personal use also intended to switch to the PPC.

Someone needs to learn a little history.

Re:A good machine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308373)

What history are you talking about, yours or realities? The PPC was to fill in for the failed 88000 series. Moto never intended to fully replace 68k, since they sell 68k to this day, yet you don't see any 88k based ANYTHING running around. Moto was backed into a corner by the fact that they dropped the ball on RISC, and every major 68k user they had had bailed. Apple certainly was NOT going to go with the 88k, as they realized even back then that it would pidgeon hole them and make them completely dependant on Moto. So PPC was Moto's last shot at keeping their premiere customer. PPC was PRIMARLY designed by IBM. ONCE AGAIN, PPC is a single chip POWER (less a few instructions) with 88K bus logic. What other major 68K customers were left. Atari and Commodore, yeah right, real major. The ST's never went anywhere, and by the time all this was transpiring, Amiga was limping along, hardly MAJOR. Now one could consider NeXT, they used the 88k in their NeXT Dimension boards, and rumour was they had dual processor PPC units before Stevie nixed the hardware sales. But even then, calling NeXT a major player was dubious. SGI and DEC didn't design the MIPS for their own personal use (DEC did go on to design Alpha to replace MIPS though, but this was after they ditched 68k and had already switched to MIPS), so that theory holds no water as well.

Re:A good machine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308160)

MMMMM...yeah. Good thing you didn't post by name either troll.

+2 Excellent Troll (1)

binaryDigit (557647) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308130)

Excellent troll. You actually conned someone into giving you an "informative". I esp. like the PPC being a decendent (sic) of the 68000 series and decoding MPEG4 on the fly. Keep up the good work.

Re:+2 Excellent Troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308155)

If the 970 is incapable of encoding or decoding MPEG4 on the fly even at 500MHz, then I'd say it's performance is dangerously close to useless. Apple's new iChat AV requires a 32 bit G3 or G4 only slightly faster than that, and that has to copy with a 32 bit architecture, and sharing the system with an OS and all the associated bloat.

Re:+2 Excellent Troll (1)

binaryDigit (557647) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308174)

No, you missed the point. The Treo uses an ARM cpu running at like 133Mhz, NOT a 970. The guys post was a complete troll. The 970 would leave a mini keyboard brand on your hand it'd get so hot. Not to mention that the chip itself would be half the size of the unit.

970 at 500MHz != dual 970s at 2GHz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308333)

The Treos certainly have contained ARM chips, but I'm rather glad to see a switch to the more powerful architecture for the 600. Heatloss at 500MHz is highly unlikely to be an issue, even at 1.2GHz heatloss and efficiency are considered good enough that an Apple PowerBook isn't considered an unlikely possibility.

I'm surprised though they've fit all that into such a small unit. There must be some remarkable engineering going on, or else IBM is packaging the 970 into a much smaller unit.

Re:+2 Excellent Troll (1)

davidm25 (606820) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308189)

Besides we all know the Treo 601 has a power pc 601 chip in it. Where else do you think the name came from?:)

SSH? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308036)

Now if someone could just write a decent SSH client......TopGun SSH hasn't been updated in years.

Stop Forcing A PDA Into A Phone... (4, Insightful)

mgeneral (512297) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308047)

I am really tired of seeing PDA's that are being crammed into a phone. It really doesn't work. The phone ends up being to big, and the PDA is barely usable.

Instead, put a phone into a PDA. Yes, thats right, take our best PDA's, the Zaurus, the IPAQ's, Palms's, etc...and add a phone into them.
Now I know that sounds odd at first. How does it differ.

First, get over the idea of holding a phone to your ear. Its simply not practical anymore. PDA's don't fit your head. And before you know it, most states will outlaw using a handheld phone in the car anyway.

Instead, use a headset that attaches to the PDA. For instance a Jabra [jabra.com] , or Jabra-like device. Ideally, using Bluetooth built into the PDA for wireless headset convenience.

IMHO, the combo PDA with a built in phone and wireless headset would make the ideal solution.
In the meantime, I'm through with these so-called integrated devices that are barely usable.

Re:Stop Forcing A PDA Into A Phone... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308080)

You apparently have missed the Sony Ericsson p800. (Don't need a link, look it up for yourself)

Contrary to your post I wish they'd integrate even more stuff into phones - your arguement was stupid. What's the difference between morphing and chicken and egg like you said.

Re:Stop Forcing A PDA Into A Phone... (2, Informative)

Dynedain (141758) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308099)

The Tungsten W [palm.com] already does this. I have a friend who has one. She says its a total pain in the ass to answer your phone when it rings. Unfortuneately she requires the functionality of a palm-based pda/phone, but AT&T didn't carry anything else. She would have prefered the Samsung I330.

Stop forcing the user into a phone... (4, Insightful)

fm6 (162816) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308186)

Unfortuneately she requires the functionality of a palm-based pda/phone, but AT&T didn't carry anything else. She would have prefered the Samsung I330.
The choices cell providers force on you are strange and irritating. I want a GSM/GPRS phone with Bluetooth, so I can continue to use my m515 PDA. But neither T-Mobile nor AT&T offer Bluetooth phones. You can get a package from Amazon.com [amazon.com] , but I wonder what they support is like when you use a third-party phone?

Which is an example of something that really bothers me: U.S. cell companies do not like phones that talk to other devices. When I got my first cell, I would have liked one with IRDA, to talk to my Vx and my laptop. No way. I'm guessing that they don't want users to put together their own solutions -- they make too much money selling them hardware. Maybe I'm paranoid.

Buy your own phone... (1)

SPYvSPY (166790) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308280)

I'm on T-Mobile in NYC. I bought a Sony Ericsson p800 (the best PDA/phone on the market today, BTW) and put my SIM into it and it works...no problem. T-Mobile even helped me configure the WAP and GPRS service. You do realize that you can buy almost any GSM phone and use it, right?

Consumerist hypocrisy? (1)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308324)

Americans complain about being locked into contracts or the limited selection of telco-provided phones, but OTOH they aren't willing to pay the real (unsubsidized) cost of phones. If people accept the fact that the phone has to be paid for one way or the other maybe they'll stop complaining. It would also help if there were higher-profile ways to buy unlocked, unsubsidized phones.

Not really (1)

SPYvSPY (166790) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308345)

How hard is it to go to expansis.com and buy a kickass european market phone (that even ships with a US power adapter)? It's easy. I love the fact that I can buy the best phones and use them so easily, and even get support for these phones from T-Mobile's help desk.

Re:Buy your own phone... (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308556)

I knew I could buy my own, but (as I think I made it clear) I'm wary of the risks. Maybe there aren't any...???

Re:Stop forcing the user into a phone... (1)

mgeneral (512297) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308307)

Yeah, that bothers me too. Even if I wanted to use the Treo, or the Tungsten, or the Sony/Ericson, etc...my cell phone provider doesn't support them. It has become iritating to find compatible devices and carriers, and I live in a major metropolitan area, too!
To some degree, I think you are right. I think the carriers like have a stranglehold on the products that are available verse what they allow you to use.

Re:Stop forcing the user into a phone... (2, Informative)

chrsbrwn (14235) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308322)

AT&T wireless online and my local AT&T wireless have the following Bluetooth capable phones in stock:

  • Sony Ericsson T68i
  • Nokia 6310i
  • Nokia 3650

A friend of mine has the T68i through AT&T and uses the Bluetooth capability of it extensively (there is software for Mac OS X that allows you to use Sony Ericsson bluetooth phones to control various functions on the Mac).

Note that this doesn't mean that I dont' agree with you -- I would prefer their to be far more handset choice than there is.

Re:Stop forcing the user into a phone... (1)

Jmstuckman (561420) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308387)

I think T-Mobile offers the T68i for bluetooth. T-Mobile offers the T300 for sure (an infrared phone.) It works great for data.

Both AT&T and T-Mobile offer Bluetooth phones. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308540)

Why do you contend otherwise? Just go to attws.com or t-mobile.com and buy a Bluetooth phone.

Re:Stop Forcing A PDA Into A Phone... (1)

sethanon (26295) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308106)

I agree, my low-end Clie is the same height and thickness of my reasonably small phone and fits nicely into a pocket. If I could ditch the phone and just keep the PDA with its full size screen, I'd be very happy.

As for the headset, it should certainly be available as an option but when the flip-top for my PDA is folded out the whole thing is pretty much the same size as a standard land-line handset. Put a mike down the bottom, a flat-panel speaker and maybe a keypad in the lid, add some GSM support and Bob's your uncle.

Re:Stop Forcing A PDA Into A Phone... (3, Insightful)

davidm25 (606820) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308115)

This has already been done by both RIM, motorola, and Palm (tungeston w). Ever review complains about the having to use an ear bud and the sales of those products in general has been poor. If you live a data centric world it makes a lot of sense. If you live in a voice centric world you will be unhappy. I have heard that other cultures besides the US are a lot more handsfree accepting.

Re:Stop Forcing A PDA Into A Phone... (0)

tds67 (670584) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308140)

You bring up an interesting point. Why does everything have to be "combo"-ized in the first place? For convenience? If that's the case, then I want a refrigerator, toilet and cable TV in my car.

Re:Stop Forcing A PDA Into A Phone... (2, Interesting)

metsfan (549341) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308143)

Have you actually USED a Treo? I have a Treo 270, and while it's not perfect, I would never again go back to carrying around two devices.

The PDA part is hardly unusable, and it's adequate (though not great) as a phone. In fact, even if it wasn't a phone, I think I'd still like it better than any of the other PDAs I've had, simply for it's small size.

Re:Stop Forcing A PDA Into A Phone... (1)

Jedi Holocron (225191) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308214)

WORD!

Re:Stop Forcing A PDA Into A Phone... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308264)

word up.

i use the data stuff more than the phone stuff, I hardly ever even answer the phone, but I like to have it around.

like, cater to my needs and shit.

Works for me... (2, Interesting)

moodboom (191676) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308309)

*I* am really tired of people spewing who have never even used what they're bitching about.

I'm sure you can plug a little corded earphone into the Treo.

I actually use an old Visor with a Sprint phone module [airprime.com] (got mine for $12 [ebay.com] . I don't mind holding it up to talk, but 90% of the time I use the corded earphone, talking during my daily commute. That said, I would prefer the smaller footprint of a Treo.

Re:Stop Forcing A PDA Into A Phone... (1)

snero3 (610114) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308392)

this is the first sensible thing I have heard anybody say all day

Re:Stop Forcing A PDA Into A Phone... (1)

SensitiveMale (155605) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308518)

Ok, let's follow the logic.

First you say "I am really tired of seeing PDA's that are being crammed into a phone. It really doesn't work. The phone ends up being to big".

then you say "Yes, thats right, take our best PDA's, the Zaurus"

You complain that the phone is too big but you want to put a phone into one of the largest PDAs?

BTW, being forced to use a headset sucks. It is a pain in the ass to always carry around and if you don't have one then your phone effectively isn't a phone.

Classic Geek... (1)

James Littiebrant (622596) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308051)

What was the first thing that the geeks who beta tested this phone did? Input "Wassup" into the sms client...

Can't really call it a REVIEW (3, Interesting)

securitas (411694) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308085)


Sorry Jim, but you can't really claim that this is the ''First Review of the Treo 600.''

It's not a review because it's a PROTOTYPE. It's a BETA. (Say it in your best Dr. Evil voice with me). Even the headline on the article in PC Magazine calls it a PREVIEW. So it's a hands-on preview at best.

Let's aim for some journalistic accuracy here, something that's woefully lacking in most of what passes for technology press.

That said, I like your stuff. Keep up the good work.

Possible replacement for my SideKick/Hiptop? (3, Insightful)

armaghetto (240282) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308086)

I'm getting kinda pissy about my sidekick.

I paid 300 bucks for the thing, then get told that the trade in for the color version is to pay another 300 bucks. "If I had just waited" (early adopter mantra, I know) a few months, I could have picked this thing up AND gotten java script support on the thing, AND had a real Palm OS device AND a color screen for the same amount.

I've gone from loving my sidekick to just thinking it's alright. After seeing this device, i'm thinking about a divorce.

Re:Possible replacement for my SideKick/Hiptop? (1)

jchristopher (198929) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308227)

The sidekick looked cool, but has been a big disappointment. Do I understand correctly that there is STILL no way to load your own apps on it?

sadly, no. (1)

raygundan (16760) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308297)

That is correct, sir.

Unless you are one of the lucky blessed developers.

There is also still no two-way sync.

Dvorak (1)

scubacuda (411898) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308125)

When are we gonna get Dvorak on these little keyboards?

Re:Dvorak (3, Interesting)

outlier (64928) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308180)

I type Dvorak on my PC and qwerty on my Treo. Because the interaction styles for the two keyboards are so different (whole hands vs. thumbs) there's no real problem converting back and forth.

Also, the efficiency of Dvorak (about 5-10% faster than qwerty) comes in part from the switching from hand to hand between characters. This isn't particularly helpful in a small keyboard. Perhaps one of the one-handed Dvorak layouts would be efficient for one-thumb typing...

Carrier's fault (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308152)

In short yes it is the "fault" of the carrier. Sprint is CDMA however when you are not actually sending or receiving data you can receive calls. Ex. If you are sending you pass word to check you email you can not receive calls however once you receive email to you phone and are simply reading it you can. It's the same with GSM providers like t-mobile. When packet data is being sent you can not receive call. Data is beingsent in bursts. When data is not being sent calls can be received.

Re:Carrier's fault (1)

memmel2 (660484) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308210)

This is just plain wrong. It depends on the OS/chipset. It's quit doable the chipsets are multi-channel unless there so buggy that its broken.

I need to know... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308181)

Is this Treo 600 small enough to fit in my ass in case I'm held in a seedy communist North Korean or Iranian concentration camp? I have no need to wear a watch and tell time using my cell-phone.

Plus, I have trips to Tehran and Pyong Yang coming up...

Two more negatives (1)

X_Caffeine (451624) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308188)

What's up with that low-res screen? I'd take a high-res grayscale over low-res any day. It's all about the TEXT, man.

Also, after carting around a Danger Hiptop for a while, it's completely changed my expectations of a phone/PDA. Without always-available wireless web, you might as well be carrying around a notepad and a pencil.

Re:Two more negatives (1)

davidm25 (606820) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308224)

No its not about the text. It is about the porn http://java.sun.com/industry/news/story/47181.do And actually it probably isn't about color or resolution. It is about readibility in every day situations like when your outdoors

low-res screen (1)

cloudless.net (629916) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308348)

The previous treos are more focused on PDA functionalities. But Handspring figured out the phone market is much bigger, so this time around they designed a smaller, more phone-centric device. I believe they could only fit a low-res screen there, and by the way the low-res is more energy efficient.

no removable battery (4, Interesting)

jchristopher (198929) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308209)

I've been using a Treo 180 for about a year and I've been very happy with it. But I'm puzzled by Handspring's refusal to put on a removable battery.

That's just standard in the cell phone industry (witness the wide selection of replacement batteries on eBay). I know they say it will just make the phone larger, but I'm not buying it. Take the Ericsson T28 phones, for example. The battery is removable, just it is shaped precisely to the phone and takes up almost no space.

Another thing that bothers me is the Treo's poor battery life. We already know that Palm devices last for weeks, so that can't be the problem... natural assumption would be that the phone side of it is sucking up all the juice, except that there are plenty of phones that get 1 week or more, and the batteries are not large.

600 has much longer-lasting battery (1)

theodicey (662941) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308494)

While the 180 did have a small battery (Handspring claimed 2.5 hours talktime, I got a bit less), the 600 will have a 1800 mAh battery which is supposed to give 6 hours. Compares well with many phones...

There will also be a 1200 mAh battery sled released at/around the same time as the Treo 600, which does the same job as a replaceable battery for those who need one.

Re:600 has much longer-lasting battery (1)

jchristopher (198929) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308580)

The problem is that after a year or so of daily charging (necessary with the Treo) your internal battery will be dead, with no way to replace it. Lame.

Pocket PC Phone Edition (-1, Troll)

cloudless.net (629916) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308278)

Haven't you heard of it yet? Learn more about it here [microsoft.com]

Treo 600 is a wicked device (1)

VikingBrad (525098) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308285)

Smaller than the current Treos but with better screen, keyboard & battery life.

Are there are good games for small colour Palms?

All I really want now is a someone to port rdesktop to PalmOS then everything would be sweet

Cheers

VikingBrad

Re:Treo 600 is a wicked device (1)

belarm314 (663118) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308553)

well, they have ported VNC, it would seem.

at least, the alpha linux geek at my university was running VNC on his Tungsten T the other day...

Strom Thurmond, Senator, dead at 100 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308291)

Strom Thurmond, Senator, dead at 100

I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Former South Carolina Senator Strom Thurmond was found dead in hospital this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to segregation and politics. Truly an American icon.

No bluetooth etc (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308310)

The lack of bluetooth is a deal breaker for me....really dumb decision...as even if you don't wanna use the phone as a wireless modem a wireless headset can come in awfully handy...

I would have loved to have had WiFi....but that's a pipe dream in a cell phone for now.

The low res screen and lack of removable battery are also big minuses,

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Decisions, decisions... (1)

kremvax (307366) | more than 11 years ago | (#6308330)

Everything but wifi and GPS....

Which lends itself to a tough choice..

The new palm/Garmin iQue 3600 has palm os, integrated GPS, mp3 player, etc... And should be able to chew on an sd-wifi card

And Amazon is taking pre-orders now! [amazon.com]

What a fantastic year, just to have choices like that though.

Kremvax

160 x 160 is old school (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6308571)

I would accept a bigger device to have a better screen. 160 x 160 doesn't cut it on a hand-held device anymore. The Palm Tungsten W looks like a better choice, even though it is less phone-like. What is up with HandSpring anyway?
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