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Altered Carbon

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the not-just-for-golf-clubs dept.

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tep-sdsc writes "Richard Morgan has a problem. His first novel, Altered Carbon, will be a tough act to follow. It is set in a future world that could rival Heinlein's Future History and Niven's Known Space. There's enough material here for a career, not just a (great) first novel." OK, so you know he likes it -- now read on for the rest of Tom's review.

It would be easy to describe this book as "cyberpunk meets noir," but that would be a disservice to the reader, the author and the book.

Although this book is set in a future that is seems to be heavily influenced by the punk movement, with computers, hackers, weapons, and leather, this is no superficial, cartoon world setting for a quick romp through cyberspace. There is a depth and texture here that promises, and delivers, as a setting for a novel that could end up as influential as Vinge's True Names, or Stephenson's Snow Crash or Spillane's Mike Hammer.

The main technological trapping of this setting is the ability to digitize, store and transport human consciousness. Peoples' consciousnesses can, and are, digitized and loaded out of and into their bodies on a regular basis. The state uses this to punish criminals by storing their minds "in the stack" (digital prison) and the wealthy and powerful can have themselves "backed up" like yesterday's spreadsheets. Interstellar travel is via "digitized human freight." Human bodies ("sleeves") can be rented, bought and sold, to provide containers for these digitized minds. And this is just the background.

This is also a hardboiled detective thriller, easily the equal to Chandler or Hammett in both plot and characterization. There is a complex plot, the de rigueur dames and guns, but also some important themes that are surprising for the genre. The plot is never formulaic, with a depth and enough unexpected twists and turns to keep the reader guessing well into the last chapter.

The protagonist, Takeshi Kovacs, is no simple hardboiled detective; he's a cashiered UN "Envoy," qualified to do anything from holding a beach head or planning a military invasion, to taking over a government from within. People with this training are barred from public office and high government positions on most settled worlds. And Kovacs has been offered a job he can't refuse by one of the richest men in twenty planets: "Kovacs, find out who killed me."

On a deeper level, this novel asks some real hard questions, that get to the heart of what it means to be human. If you can digitize, back up and restore people, what is the meaning of death? Is the "soul" digitized, or just your memories? Does it matter? When bodies can be rented and exchanged, just what is "identity"? When people can buy new bodies and live for centuries, amassing power and wealth, how will that affect their humanity? Will they become more than human, or less? How will this effect human society? These issues are all raised subtly, this is no sermonizing sociology text masquerading as a novel.

But Morgan's novel remains at its heart a well-crafted detective story. No matter how corrupt the society, no matter how powerful the rich, in the end, justice comes from the smoking barrel of a hired gun, working for some fast cash, plus expenses. This books tries, and succeeds, on so many levels, that can only hope that this will be just the first novel from this new author. Somewhere, Chandler and Hammett are saying, "Ya' done good, kid. Now kiss the dame and get outta here."

(As I was finishing this review, I discovered that Morgan's second novel, Broken Angels, which continues Kovacs exploits, has just been published by Gollancz in the UK. I'll gladly pay international shipping to get my hands on this second book as soon as possible.)


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Hello (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6312559)

I smell funny

IMPORTANT! THE LINUX GAY CONSPIRACY! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6312600)

Update: "Fist Sport" explained. (05/17/01)

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It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality,' which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.

What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:

Linus Torvalds [microsoft.com] is an anagram of SLIT ANUS OR VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.

Richard M. Stallman [geocities.com] , spokespervert for the Gaysex is Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of MANS CRAM THRILL AD.

Alan Cox [microsoft.com] is barely an anagram of ANAL COX which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.

I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual [goatse.cx] propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, [Buy At Amazon [50megs.com] ] is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for SECONDARY RIM and CORD IN MY ARSE. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.

Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail [microsoft.com] , which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for "Felch Male" - a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, "felching" is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into "e-male."

As far as Richard "(cock)Master" Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted [salon.com] on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following:

RMS: "I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance," he says. "It's about being able to question conventional wisdom," he asserts. "I believe in love, but not monogamy," he says plainly.

And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo [comp-u-geek.net] slut [rotten.com] !

Speaking about "flaming," who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual [goatse.cx] perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children [slashdot.org] . To quote from the article linked:

"I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'

Is this why you were touching your penis [rotten.com] in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too?

We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as "Slashdot's resident Gasbag." Is there any more doubt? For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual [goatse.cx] terminology found inside the Linux "Sauce Code," a "Gasbag" is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, "piss-pipe"), then his homosexual [goatse.cx] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.

Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.

In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The Slackware [redhat.com] distro is named after the Slack-wear fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes. Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of CLAW ARSE, a reference to the homosexual [goatse.cx] practise of anal fisting. The Mandrake [slackware.com] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for DARK AMEN and RAM NAKED, which is what they do.

Another "distro," (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like "Disco," which is where homosexuals [goatse.cx] preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian [mandrake.com] , an anagram of IN A BED, which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares. "Woody" is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male penis [rotten.com] , glistening with pre-cum. But far sicker is the phrase "Frozen Potato" that they use. This filthy term, again found in the secret homosexual [goatse.cx] "Sauce Code," refers to the solo homosexual [goatse.cx] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.

And Red Hat [debian.org] is secret homo [comp-u-geek.net] slang for the tip of a penis [rotten.com] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.

The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For example, the "supermount" tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland. "Automount" is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to mount each other [comp-u-geek.net] automatically.

The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of "mount points." These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main one is obviously /anus, but there are others. Militant fags even say "There is no /opt mount point" because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.

More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love 'man', even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out 'man'. In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.

Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherit gayness. For example, people are often told of the "FAQ," but how many innocent heterosexual Windows [amiga.com] users know what this actually means. The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!

Some more proof of Linux's inherent gayness has come to my attention. Readers of Slashdot [slashduh.org] , a prominent Linux evangelism site, often compete to get the "First Post" on a new story. While this may at first seem like harmless inanity, "first post" is actually an anagram for the much more sinister FIST SPORT, obviously referring to the disgusting homosexual practice of "fisting", whereby one man forces first his clenched fist then the rest of his queer arm up into the lower intestine of another man. How any proper Christian person could find pleasure in this practice is abhorrent.

Also on Slashdot, half of the postings to these articles begin with, in big capital letters, I ANAL, which requires no explanation, and is so blatantly filthy it boggles the mind.

Even the title "Slashdot [geekizoid.com] " originally referred to a homosexual [goatse.cx] practice. Slashdot [kuro5hin.org] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous hemosexuals [geocities.com] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, http://www.goatse.cx/ [osdn.com] .

The editors of Slashdot [slashduh.org] also have homosexual [goatse.cx] names: "Hemos" is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from "Homos." But even more sickening is "Commander Taco" which sounds a bit like "Commode in Taco," filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement [pboy.com] . (The best form of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these "Taco Commodes" have special "Salsa Sauce" (blood from a ruptured rectum) and "Cheese" (rancid flakes of penis [rotten.com] discharge) toppings. And to make it even worse, Slashdot [notslashdot.org] runs on Apache!

The Apache [microsoft.com] server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual [goatse.cx] activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, The Village People [olsentwins.com] , featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.

And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.

To summarise: Linux is gay. "Slash - Dot" is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And BeOS [apple.com] is for hermaphrodites and disabled "stumpers."

FEEDBACK

What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do. I'm scared I actually read this whole thing. I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people. This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this. And actually take the time to do it too. Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early. - Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux "Sauce code" once. Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase "Monolithic Kernel"?), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo [comp-u-geek.net] -calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.

You must work for the government. Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes. If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours. - Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual [goatse.cx] child molesting Linux advocacy. Hell, they've given NAMBLA [nra.org] free reign for years!

you really should post this logged in. i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you. - mighty jebus [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the "Open Sauce" movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina [bodysnatchers.co.uk] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am the unknown liberator [xenu.net] .

ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS - Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society. This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson [rotten.com] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism [zillabunny.com] .

Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works. I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum. I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely [queernet.org] in case you're interested.
(Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly - who are the real crazies - people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?) - double_h [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux "sauce code" is riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: "Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow." And anyway, the PS2 [xbox.com] sucks major cock and isn't worth the money. Intellivision forever!

dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church - Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, NT [linux.com] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them. Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church [atheism.org] . Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to salvation.

Secondly, this message is for every man. Computers know no colour. Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by A Black Man [stileproject.com] . Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.

And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to "Pearl Necklace" for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them. - phee [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl [python.org] (standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to "Pearl Monocle", "Pearl Nosering", and the ubiquitous "Pearl Enema".

One scary thing about Perl [sun.com] is that it contains hidden homosexual [goatse.cx] messages. Take the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it? But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to each other! As Larry "Balls to the" Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation [goatse.cx] , Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of "colon kissing," whereby two homosexual [goatse.cx] queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as "Parameter Passing".

And PHP [perl.org] stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration. Didn't you know?

Thank you for your valuable input on this. I am sure you will be never forgotten. BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars? Mars rulaa. - Eimernase [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I DO know that homosexual [goatse.cx] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.

That's inspiring. Keep up the good work, AC. May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again. Yours, Cerberus. - Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

*sniff* That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord [atheism.org] 's work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.

However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an "extension" to the Linux "Sauce Code," for the sake of "interoperability." (The slang term they use for non-consensual intercourse - their favourite kind.)

In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the "Samba Mount," into their homes. Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the "Samba Mount" collapses due to "overload," and needs to be "rebooted." (i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many Linux users boast about their "uptime" in such situations.

Inspiring stuff! If only all trolls were this quality! - Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible. I recommend +1, Underrated, as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation [slashdot.org] . Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened "Bender"???

If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived forever! Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!

It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this. - Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity [catholic.net] that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.

As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it. When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?! - Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of "Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours," but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a "number two," as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.

I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you. - Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I sincerely hope you're Natalie Portman [geocities.com] .

Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading. Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it. As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time. 10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass. Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software. Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins. Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that. Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise. For concision is the soul of derision. Way. - Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

What the fuck?

I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed. In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos [comp-u-geek.net] tend to be full of. Thank you again. - Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well bugger me!

ooooh honey. how insecure are you!!! wann a little massage from deare bruci. love you - Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Fuck right off!

IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD [linux.org] , which is an acronym for Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator) across the whole community, so it has been released into the Public Domain [icopyright.com] . You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL [apple.com] (Gay Penetration License, according to geekacronyms.org [geekizoid.com] ) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest feces-encrusted [rotten.com] cock. I would have put this up on Freshmeat [adultmember.com] , but that name is KNOWN to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.

Come to think of it, the whole concept of "Source Control" unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like "Sauce Control," which is a description of the homosexual [goatse.cx] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And "Open Sauce" is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later. Obviously, "Closed Sauce" is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.

Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of "soggy biscuit" that open "sauce" development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, The WIPO Troll, FreeWIPO, Bring BackATV. Further contributions are welcome.

Current changes: This version is based on the all-too-rare backup copy sent to FreeWIPO [5u.com] by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text. Re-reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links). Even more spelling fixed. Additional stuff done in preparation for the future. Addition of F.I.R.S.T.P.O.S.T. for the sake of decent folk everywhere!

Previous changes: Yet more changes added. Spelling fixed. Feedback added. Explanation of 'distro' system. 'Mount Point' syntax described. More filth regarding 'man' and Slashdot. Yet more fucking spelling fixed. 'Fetchmail' uncovered further. More Slashbot baiting. Apache exposed. Distribution licence at foot of document.

ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... Up your ass!

LOUD SUCKING SOUND EMANATING FROM BUFFALO, NY (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6312668)

DAILY REMINDER: Hillary Clinton [senate.gov] doesn't just stand by...she actively works to offshore American High-Tech [tata.com] !

first (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6312562)

post

Re:first failure (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6312578)

YOU FAIL IT!!

YOU ARE THE FAILURE!!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6312761)

See? You stupid little, rotted cunt - YOU ARE THE FAILURE! No fp, bitchtits.....

Suck your cunt and try again.....fucker.

ps, eat a dick.

FIST PROST (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6312569)

FIRST POST MOTHAFUCKAZZ

Re:FIST PROST (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6312598)

Your mission is a failure YOU FAIL IT!!!!

YOU ARE THE FAILURE!!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6312738)

Fuck off and die you lazy sack of shit-covered bitchtits....

Suck my dick, bitch!!!

ps, fuck you, bitch.

How does this impact my lifestyle? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6312584)

I'm all for radical concepts and such, but topics such as this just leave me cold.
I'm unwilling to consider or follow new ideas which may be due to strict religious upbringing while being raised in a brothel.

That leads me to my relationship with my father who I never met. In order to overcome that hardship I turned to Java while making my applications Open Source.

What do you think?

SIRIUS BLACK DIES AT THE END OF TEH NEW HP BOOK! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6312594)

Suck on dat, bitchez

Ahhhhh look at all the lonely people

Hello (Score:1)
by Anonymous Coward on 18:15 Friday 27 June 2003 (#6312559)
I smell funny
[ Reply to This ]
first (Score:1)
by Anonymous Coward on 18:16 Friday 27 June 2003 (#6312562)
post
[ Reply to This ]

Re:first failure (Score:1)
by Anonymous Coward on 18:17 Friday 27 June 2003 (#6312578)
YOU FAIL IT!!
[ Reply to This | Parent ]

FIST PROST (Score:1)
by Anonymous Coward on 18:16 Friday 27 June 2003 (#6312569)
FIRST POST MOTHAFUCKAZZ
[ Reply to This ]

Sounds good (1)

Dashmon (669814) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312596)

And since I'm in nead of more reading-fodder, I'll go and see if I can get it tomorrow. Anyone know if it's available in Europe yet? Slashdot is too American-centric! :P

Re:Sounds good (1)

YomikoReadman (678084) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312661)

If you don't mind waiting a month or paying alot extra for express/Internation Airmail, The Barnes & Noble online store will ship the book overseas to Europe.

Re:Sounds good (3, Interesting)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312702)

I just order stuff from Amazon.co.uk, even though I live in California, I prefer the cover art of books rolled out in the UK, i.e. Pratchett novels with the decent Kidby and Kirby covers, rather than the hideous covers released in the USA.

Gollancz also happens to be Pratchett's publisher. Seems to take an interest in some of the better fiction.

Re:Sounds good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6312985)

Though unfortunately Amazon.co.uk [amazon.co.uk] seems to be down at the moment

Re:Sounds good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6312715)

The book was originally published by Victor Gollancz in the UK last year.
It should be available at on the www.amazon.{co.uk,de,fr}

Re:Sounds good (-1, Flamebait)

Soothh (473349) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312722)

Hmmm, american-centric, imagine that, a server (and its workers) located in america, being american-centric. lets just drop everything and cater to foreign bastards.

Re:Sounds good (1)

Dashmon (669814) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312773)

Geez man. I was kidding. Notice the ':P'? It's been said as a joke more.. perhaps you need to pay a little more attention to what you read?

Re:Sounds good (1)

Jad LaFields (607990) | more than 11 years ago | (#6313072)

Yeah, even the current poll has this joke.

Re:Sounds good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6312749)

Altered Carbon has been available in Europe for ages. I can't think why this is just getting reviewed now. He has another book out now and it's also available in Europe in paperback. It's called Broken Angels and it's pretty good as well.

Re:Sounds good (3, Informative)

frankthechicken (607647) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312789)

Well, considering Richard Morgan is British, I am fairly sure you can find his book in your favourite local WHSmiths [whsmith.co.uk] or even the sequel [whsmith.co.uk]

Re:Sounds good (1)

pacc (163090) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312856)

Mirror, anyone? ;)

Punk??? (0, Funny)

conner_bw (120497) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312604)

Although this book is set in a future that is seems to be heavily influenced by the punk movement, with computers, hackers, weapons, and leather

Is that leather concept some joke "Ink & Dagger" version of punk rock? Seriously, how are any of those things punk?

Re:Punk??? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6312662)

He means 'punk as in cyberpunk.

Wow (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6312615)

This sounds even more gay than CmdrTaco's proctologist.

Srashdot ist fr mrn (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6312621)

Mod -1, trollse.cx [slashdot.co.in]

Too bad he used the UN (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6312630)

Too bad he used the UN as a character/influential institution -- the story looks dated already.

Re:Too bad he used the UN (4, Interesting)

nerdygeek (242847) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312827)

In the book the UN is much weaker than it would wish to appear, where the rich are considerably more powerful and influential and seemingly beyond the UN's grasp.

So if you're going to be naughty remember to be rich too.

No future for UN? (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312902)

Too bad he used the UN as a character/influential institution -- the story looks dated already.

Well, there's always a place in the US government for an organization willing to postrate before the mighty prez or da house.

You were expecting a League of Extraordinary Nations, mebbe?

In case of reverse-hyper slashdotting (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6312631)

It would be easy to describe this book as "cyberpunk meets noir," but that would be a disservice to the reader, the author and the book.

Although this book is set in a future that is seems to be heavily influenced by the punk movement, with computers, hackers, weapons, and leather, this is no superficial, cartoon world setting for a quick romp through cyberspace. There is a depth and texture here that promises, and delivers, as a setting for a novel that could end up as influential as Vinge's True Names, or Stephenson's Snow Crash or Spillane's Mike Hammer.

The main technological trapping of this setting is the ability to digitize, store and transport human consciousness. Peoples' consciousnesses can, and are, digitized and loaded out of and into their bodies on a regular basis. The state uses this to punish criminals by storing their minds "in the stack" (digital prison) and the wealthy and powerful can have themselves "backed up" like yesterday's spreadsheets. Interstellar travel is via "digitized human freight." Human bodies ("sleeves") can be rented, bought and sold, to provide containers for these digitized minds. And this is just the background.

This is also a hardboiled detective thriller, easily the equal to Chandler or Hammett in both plot and characterization. There is a complex plot, the de rigueur dames and guns, but also some important themes that are surprising for the genre. The plot is never formulaic, with a depth and enough unexpected twists and turns to keep the reader guessing well into the last chapter.

The protagonist, Takeshi Kovacs, is no simple hardboiled detective; he's a cashiered UN "Envoy," qualified to do anything from holding a beach head or planning a military invasion, to taking over a government from within. People with this training are barred from public office and high government positions on most settled worlds. And Kovacs has been offered a job he can't refuse by one of the richest men in twenty planets: "Kovacs, find out who killed me."

On a deeper level, this novel asks some real hard questions, that get to the heart of what it means to be human. If you can digitize, back up and restore people, what is the meaning of death? Is the "soul" digitized, or just your memories? Does it matter? When bodies can be rented and exchanged, just what is "identity"? When people can buy new bodies and live for centuries, amassing power and wealth, how will that affect their humanity? Will they become more than human, or less? How will this effect human society? These issues are all raised subtly, this is no sermonizing sociology text masquerading as a novel.

But Moran's novel remains at its heart a well-crafted detective story. No matter how corrupt the society, no matter how powerful the rich, in the end, justice comes from the smoking barrel of a hired gun, working for some fast cash, plus expenses. This books tries, and succeeds, on so many levels, that can only hope that this will be just the first novel from this new author. Somewhere, Chandler and Hammett are saying, "Ya' done good, kid. Now kiss the dame and get outta here."

(As I was finishing this review, I discovered that Moran's second novel, Broken Angels, which continues Kovacs exploits, has just been published by Gollancz in the UK. I'll gladly pay international shipping to get my hands on this second book as soon as possible.)

YOU ARE ALL LOSERS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6312634)

...and your empoverishing "free" software ideals are laughable. I work for Microsoft, have a beautiful $300,000 condo, and have on more than one occasion cheated on my wife with the girlfriends of loser Linux hippies just like yourselves. Most of them do it because they're tired of eating ramen noodles while watching Diablo II.

In addition to being an arm of the communist party, so-called "GNU" software robs America of jobs and contributes to homosexual behaviour. Fight Stallman and Slashdot's "ideals" now - voice your vociferous opposition to this economically-destabilizing movement.

Re:YOU ARE ALL LOSERS (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6312848)

Youre post reads:

I am a pathelogically lying dickface who has never gotten laid, and I'm upset that Linux users are so much more intelligent than me.

You're a stupid fucking 14 year old virgin troll on slashdot. you live in your parents basement, and all you do with computers is play The Sims.

I hope you read this, and even for a secon realize what a pathetic peice of shit you are.

You suck at life. Quit.

Re:YOU ARE ALL LOSERS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6313007)

Your post reads:

I'm a whiney bitch.


Only lameass lunix zealots would succumb to such a trollish post because we know they're telling the truth and we need to hide our homosexual tendancies from the world.

Please rape my ass.


Go home and die.

Re:YOU ARE ALL LOSERS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6313071)

And, indeed your post reads as:-

I'm the trouble starter, punkin' instigator
I'm the fear addicted, danger illustrated

I'm a firestarter, twisted firestarter
You're the firestarter, twisted firestarter
I'm a firestarter, twisted firestarter

I'm the bitch you hated, filth infatuated - yeah
I'm the pain you tasted, well intoxicated

I'm a firestarter, twisted firestarter
You're the firestarter, twisted firestarter

I'm the self inflicted, mind detonator - yeah
I'm the one infected, twisted animator

I'm a firestarter, twisted firestarter
You're the firestarter, twisted firestarter
I'm a firestarter, twisted firestarter

More Human than Human? (3, Funny)

donutz (195717) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312636)

When people can buy new bodies and live for centuries, amassing power and wealth, how will that affect their humanity? Will they become more than human, or less?

Well if we are to believe White Zombie, I'd say More Human Than Human [lyricsdepot.com] :


I am the Astro-Creep a demolition style hell American freak yeah
I am the crawling dead a phantom in a box shadow in your head
Say acid suicide freedom of the blast read the fucker lies
make me do it again...yeah

more human than human

i am the jigsaw man-I turn the world around with a skeleton hand
say-I am electric head a cannibal core a television said yeah
do not civtimize read the motherfucker-psychoholic lies
into a psychic war I tear my soul apart
and i eat it somr more

more human than human

solo

I am the ripper man a locomotion mind love american style
yeah i am the nexus one i want more life
fucker i ain't done yet

more human than human

Re:More Human than Human? (2, Funny)

GodHead (101109) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312721)

We really need a (-1 stupid) mod.

Re:More Human than Human? (1)

donutz (195717) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312876)

We really need a (-1 stupid) mod.

Well, until that day, we'll have to stick with all the other minus one mods.

Do you mean stupid as in "whack" or stupid as in "duh"?

Re:More Human than Human? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6313040)

Or, you faggots could just enjoy some fucking Zombie, instead of feltching each other and listening to goddamn Coldplay and The Cure, you bunch of dry-docking tossers....

-1 UberGhey would be a nice mod. I've got a game for you to play, it's called Hide and Go Fuck Yourself.

Re:More Human than Human? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6312736)

Yay! The band that owes it's entire success to Beavis and Butthead!

God I can't believe people seriously listen to White Zombie.

Sci-Fi and Music? (0, Offtopic)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312748)

Sorry man, but it totally escapes me. It's like Silent Lucidity without the music, it's kinda flat. Perhaps if you connected a short passage to something relevent it might work.

Probably my favorite sci-fi inspired tune is Rush's Red Barchetta, but I'll leave that for others to discover all together. (Peart's a genius, BTW)

I assume it touches on copying (4, Interesting)

binaryDigit (557647) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312645)

If you can digitize and store, you can therefore copy. I wonder if the book goes into this possibility (or does it rule it out in some fashion, technical or otherwise). Also, it can also theoretically be "tweaked", and it would start to sound much like Blade Runner and fall into the, how do you know you are what you think you are category.

For my tastes though, such abilities are a bit too open ended (kinda like time travel), and its fine if it is just a portion (e.g. TT as a mode of transportation) vs central to the story.

Re:I assume it touches on copying (4, Informative)

Freedom Bug (86180) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312765)

Copying is very much illegal, but is an integral plot point. The rich & powerful & kinky use it to good effect.

But it's not central to the story: it's a detective story. I think you'd enjoy it.

Re:I assume it touches on Hacking (2, Insightful)

LeoDV (653216) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312769)

If minds have become data files that can be backed up, transferred and used, then it means they can also be broken into, edited and altered. So I wonder if the book goes into that possibility.

Re:I assume it touches on copying (1)

aallan (68633) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312824)

If you can digitize and store, you can therefore copy. I wonder if the book goes into this possibility (or does it rule it out in some fashion, technical or otherwise).

You're going to have to read the book, the technology is so central to the plotline (and it is a murder mystery after all) that I can't comment (either for or against your assumption) without seriously spoiling the plot.

Al.

Re:I assume it touches on copying (1)

SnarfQuest (469614) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312917)

The RIAA does not allow copying.

Unauthorized People Only (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312920)

If you can digitize and store, you can therefore copy.

Seems a book Hilary Rosen would have been willing to write a forward to, eh?

Re:I assume it touches on copying (5, Funny)

Azghoul (25786) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312931)

So you really could go fuck yourself?

Sorry.

Yet another for the stack (4, Interesting)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312646)

Sounds like a winner, something for the summer reading list (which has MC's Prey, The DaVinci Code and Bryson's Short History of Everything in the heap) Plowing through Potter 5 at the moment.

A thought on futurist expectations and realities... a book just smacked down a movie. Bound and printed paper outstripped The Hulk on opening weekend for both. Between the proselytizing of digital media and ebooks (which appear to be failing) a sheaf of dead tree beat out the largest opening weekend grossing movie (not adjusted for inflation for .. er .. inflating hype purposes ;-) I think that's a neat irony.

Did the butler do it? How about the Butler v5.021? A concept related to me back in astronomy (hence the space travel connection) was digitizing people and the prospect of making copies of them (religious ramifications sure to follow) How a person may fork and how they cope seems ripe for novel exploration

Last, no mention of Bladerunner and/or replicants?

Re:Yet another for the stack (1, Funny)

EpsCylonB (307640) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312923)

Plowing through Potter 5 at the moment.

And you admit it ?

Re:Yet another for the stack (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312950)

And you admit it ?

Hey, I enjoy a good yarn, and as non-US books tend not to sugar-coat stories to satisfy some conservative religious zealots (who probably never miss a Springer show...) it's OK. Besides, it gives me an informed opinion. poke poke

Re:Yet another for the stack (1)

EpsCylonB (307640) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312986)

Besides, it gives me an informed opinion. poke poke

I tried to get past the first page I really did, but... well... it's a fvcking childrens book.

Re:Yet another for the stack (1)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | more than 11 years ago | (#6313033)

Hey, I enjoy a good yarn, and as non-US books tend not to sugar-coat stories to satisfy some conservative religious zealots (who probably never miss a Springer show...) it's OK.

Wait ... you're saying that the Harry Potter books aren't sugar-coated? I think you need to start reading some real books. The Potter books are relatively entertaining (though rather poorly written), but they're still targeted at children.

Of course, you were probably just aching for an excuse to attack the "US conservatives," even though they really don't play much of a role in the books that are published.

Re:Yet another for the stack (1)

warpSpeed (67927) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312939)

MC's Prey

That was one frightning book! I normaly do not like horror, but this book was really good... I like his work in general too. It also read like a horror flick. I could picure the movie in my mind. I will not be surprised when some movie studio latches on to it. Lots of room for cool special effects.

Re:Yet another for the stack (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312971)

[MC's Prey]

That was one frightning book!

I find he's a very good writer for establishing and maintaining suspense, which alas, doesn't translate to the screen on damn bit. Give 'em just enough information to worry about what could happen next and then jump to whatever Bob & Ray are doing for a few pages to let the reader stew.

Sounds like that Arnold Movie (1)

wornst (317182) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312649)

This sounds kind of similar to the swartzenegger movie that came out a few years ago - the 6th day. I think that is what it is called, either way, a person's "personality" was stored in some media and then could be re-inserted into a cloned body if something happened to the "original" body.

It wasn't a bad movie actually, Arnold just didn't have a good sidekick that he seems to require in all of his money films. Anyway, the book sounds interesting and I enjoyed your review.

Difference between "Theme" and "Message (5, Interesting)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312655)

These issues are all raised subtly, this is no sermonizing sociology text masquerading as a novel.
goodness.

There are few things as annoying as reading a book with a friggin' message, which is usually what I feel like I'm getting with a Micheal Crichton (watch out - genetics can be bad! Uh - oh - beware time travel in the wrong hands! Whoops!).

Now, I can deal with a theme, like what you get from watching a Miyazaki flick like "Spirited Away".

I've often felt that most technology (notice the word "most", not "all" - the jury is still out on the usefulness of gas chambers and "Boong-Ga Boong-Ga" [wired.com] ) is neither good or evil - it's all in how its used.

Like in this case. Is it wrong to download your personality into a computer or another body so you can live "forever"? Depends on the circumstances, and it looks like the author is letting humanity's response to it play out what's good and bad about it, and where it can be used and abused.

Anyway, sounds like an interesting book - I think I've seen it on PeanutPress.com, so maybe I'll have something else to read since I finished with Potter the day it came out ;).

Re:Difference between "Theme" and "Message (5, Funny)

Arslan ibn Da'ud (636514) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312832)

Is it wrong to download your personality into a computer or another body so you can live "forever"?
I'm pretty sure this is illegal under the DMCA.

This isn't exactly groundbreaking... (5, Interesting)

theoddball (665938) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312656)

John Varley wrote a short story ~30 years ago that I believe was called "The Phantom Of Kansas." People got personality "recordings" to live forever, and the protagonist got hers stolen...and then got killed about 4 times, trying to figure out who kept doing it. Twist was, she had no idea what the previous girl had known...
It's a twist on detective fiction. You're trying to solve a case--but you get extra chances. But every time around, the killer gets smarter, learns more about the victim...

Original or no, I might have to pick this one up. I need to read some new, good SF again. *sigh*

Re:This isn't exactly groundbreaking... (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312693)

That sounds a lot like David Brin's recent Kiln People, where a detective sends out multiple copies of himself to work on his cases.

Re:This isn't exactly groundbreaking... (1)

Freedom Bug (86180) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312861)

Considering that I'm having trouble keeping the two apart during the discussion, you definitely have a good point.

If you love one, you'll love the other.

However, they are very different books, both with some very cool concepts, and a good detective story.

It's probably just that I read too much and things get jumbled together in my brain. I read for pleasure, and don't retain much. (Which is cool, I can reread good books many times and they don't get old...)

Bryan

Re:This isn't exactly groundbreaking... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6312706)

That sounds alot like Ayanami Rei's character from Shin Seiki Evangelion. She is killed while piloting her Eva several times, but is reborn into a clone of herself with only the memory of up to the first major accident during the initial activation test. However, the third iteration was somewhat aware that all that had happened.

No it's not, but.... (2, Insightful)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312868)

that doesn't mean he might not bring some new thoughts to the basic issues. This boils down to basic questions that were being asked much longer than 30 years ago.

It is also a common theme in other art forms where reality need not be considered- like film.

What is interesting to me is that all these formats cannot use the current situation as it limits the ability to play with what defines sentience. It seems always not too far off that humans will be able to 'bottle' their essence or some facsimile thereof. Yet it does not happen. Some of my favorite stuff to deal with these questions appears in Ghost in the Shell, and the Reality Dysfunction books.

For now we are stuck with humans being in the bodies they have for better or worse. I think much of the allure of these stories lies in the fact that many people are quite discontented with that- for many reasons. (mortality, obesity, weakness, etc.)

But all this rambling to tell you- yeah- there is nothing new under the sun.

more sociological questions (5, Funny)

forgetmenot (467513) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312657)

More questions the books raises:

1. If you can download your conscious into different bodies... how would you know if that gorgeous babe you're in bed with is really.... a babe? 2. Would it matter? 3. Would it finally be acceptable to ask your wife to get a new body for your birthday?

Re:more sociological questions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6312929)

1. If you can download your conscious into different bodies... how would you know if that gorgeous babe you're in bed with is really.... a babe?

Three words: Being John Malkovich.

Re:more sociological questions (1)

Carpathius (215767) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312959)

Actually, John Varley also deals with this in his books. While he isn't proposing that one can store conciousness, he does propose a future in which medical procedures such as sex change are trivial -- and accepted. In one book of his, the main character starts off as male, and shortly into the book switches to female.

It actually does pose interesting questions, and one major effect of the simplicity of sex change is the absence of long term marital relationships.

Sean.

Copyrights? (3, Funny)

tunabomber (259585) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312660)

When people can buy new bodies and live for centuries, amassing power and wealth, how will that affect their humanity?

Well, for one thing, the people on Slashdot will bitch a lot about the 1000+ year copyright terms.

Re:Copyrights? (1)

donutz (195717) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312696)

Well it would certainly require reworking the laws about copyright. Assuming that copyrights don't become eternal (sorry Disney) for corporations, if people can live forever...in some cases it might be in the best interests for the copyright to remain with the author, assuming the corporation can maintain control of them (and I'll assume by then, they'll certainly have the means to do so, whether we want it or not).

Re:Copyrights? (1)

aallan (68633) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312858)

Well it would certainly require reworking the laws about copyright. Assuming that copyrights don't become eternal...

Wasn't there a Heinlein story about this, damn I'm going to spend the entire evening pulling books off my shelves at home and trying to figure out what it was... something to do with artists could be creative anymore since everything had been "done", and it was depressing all the creative types...

Al.

Re:Copyrights? (1)

kisrael (134664) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312936)

Are you thinking of "Melancholy Elephants" by Spider Robinson?

Re:Copyrights? (1)

Nynaeve (163450) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312855)

Moreover, since you are now a data stream, can you copyright yourself? What do you do if you are "pirated"? :)

Sequel? (1)

wo1verin3 (473094) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312682)

>> Altered Carbon

Is this the sequel to altered beast?

What About Harry? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6312686)

Where's the Harry Potter book review?

amazon (1)

lordrich (647355) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312690)

Oh, a slashdot book review. Would that be why amazon.com is giving a time out?

Re:amazon (1)

Cy Guy (56083) | more than 11 years ago | (#6313013)

Oh, a slashdot book review. Would that be why amazon.com is giving a time out?

Amazon seems to work fine for me, plus it's another 10% cheaper there [amazon.com] than from BN.com

Dude! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6312694)

I think I'll wait for the movie.

Morgan's second book is out! This is Old News?! (2, Informative)

nerdygeek (242847) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312710)

I've just finished Altered Carbon and would highly recommend it. However Morgan's second book is already out (in the UK): Broken Angels. I've already got mine imported from the UK... I guess the reviewer is a whole book behind.

Anyways, have a look at Amazon.co.uk

Re:Morgan's second book is out! This is Old News?! (1)

nerdygeek (242847) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312771)

Nothing like replying to your own posts... I just saw that the reviewer mentioned the new book at the bottom of his review. So all due credit there then. Splendid.

Decoupling mind and body (4, Insightful)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312725)

On a deeper level, this novel asks some real hard questions, that get to the heart of what it means to be human. If you can digitize, back up and restore people, what is the meaning of death?

That subject is a recurrent question in the Culture series of SF novels by Ian M. Banks : in the Culture, people's mind states are regularly backed-up, people change bodies, can be "restored" in younger bodies after death, ...etc...

Banks portrays the Culture society as bored, its people always seeking thrills in ultra-dangerous activities, joining the Culture's secret services sections called Contact and Special Circumstances usually because it adds spice to life. He also describes people who voluntarily engage in dangerous activities without being backed-up, or let themselves grow old and die naturally, and generally describes quite well the choices those people make in a Culture where death, poverty and suffering are banished.

Read Banks, you'll be glad you did. Some Culture novels (not in order) :

Excession
The player of games
Consider Phlebas
Look to windward

Re:Banks (1)

naNoox (223207) | more than 11 years ago | (#6313014)

I've been trying to get into Banks for several months now, but it seems that many of the Culture novels are out-of-print, including several that you mention above.

Where do you recommend that I start? Is there a "Book 1"? How can I get a hold of the ones that are OOP?

Nanoox

Frederick Pohl's Heechee series (3, Informative)

peter303 (12292) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312734)

Pohl's ten or Heechee novels deal with digitized consciousness. One alien race keeps them in a pouch on the body as instant advisors- sort of like Dune's Other Memory. In other Pohl novels humans get digitized into the computer and find an alternative digital universe, not unlike the Matrix. Digitized humans can live at electronic speeds, or much faster than in the flesh.

Rent-a-body (1)

phasm42 (588479) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312782)

A bit OT, but I have a vague recollection of some movie where a character rents a body to be able to attend a conference or business meeting across the country. I don't remember if it was central to the story or just part of it, but does anyone remember the name of the movie, and if it was similar to what the reviewer was talking about, renting a body?

Re:Rent-a-body (1)

hermango (619774) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312951)

The short story was called "We Purchased People."

Re:Rent-a-body (1)

Tancred (3904) | more than 11 years ago | (#6313016)

I think this is the movie you're referring to:

X Change [imdb.com]

Not a great movie. I like that sort of thing if done well, but I turned it off somewhere in the middle.

appears to be similar David Brin's Kiln People ... (5, Informative)

lyapunov (241045) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312811)

Kiln People has similar background and is also a very engaging book about privacy, what it is to be human, and intellectual property rights. Brin does an excellent job a putting in humor as well.

While I have not read Morgan's Altered Carbon I know that I will because of the fun I had reading Kiln People and thinking about the philosophical questions present in Kiln People.

While on the topic one of the reasons that I enjoy's Brin's work so much is that he does a superb job of creating a believeable society and political structure given an amazing scientific advancement and its supporting technology or if something in physics was altered a little. Read the Practice Effect for an example of the latter.

Cheers and thanks for the review. I now have something else to read since I finished Harry Potter 5 so quickly.

Broken Angels available in Canada (3, Informative)

rwaterhouse (459007) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312820)

I just ordered it from amazon.ca [amazon.ca]

Re:Broken Angels available in Canada & _US_ (1)

Cy Guy (56083) | more than 11 years ago | (#6313047)

It's also available in the US from Amazon [amazon.com] , but still only in hardback of course.

Re:Broken Angels available in Canada & _US_ (1)

Cy Guy (56083) | more than 11 years ago | (#6313078)

My mistake, you can get it in paperback [amazon.com] as well. Though it appears both the hardback and paperback are through Amazon resellers not from Amazon itself.

Good interview with the author (3, Informative)

doyoudig (574696) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312854)

http://www.computercrowsnest.com/sfnews/newsd0202. htm

OHHHH I thought they were talking about (1)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312863)

this [discover.com]

I guess not.

Planetside (1)

aliens (90441) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312865)

Planetside works on the assumption that your body is worthless and you can regenerate in new body when the first gets hacked and blown up good.

Buggy at first, supposedly been getting better.

How about Frequencies? (0, Offtopic)

Mister Black (265849) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312926)

Has anyone read Frequencies by Joshua Ortega? If so, would you recommend it or not?

Violent? (3, Interesting)

thentil (678858) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312928)

I flipped through this book in B&N recently, but thought it was too violent, which usually doesn't interest me. After reading your review, and a review at SF Site [sfsite.com] where the reviewer commented

"This is not usually my kind of book -- extreme violence and tough, wise-cracking detectives don't turn my crank. But Richard Morgan kept me reading. Some of the draw was sheer momentum -- the plot is complex, with much action and many marvelous twists -- but the real strength of Altered Carbon lies in the complex and subtle characterization, which takes Kovacs far beyond hard-boiled stereotypes."

I guess I'll have to give it a try...

I've read this book... (4, Informative)

grassy_knoll (412409) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312930)

and It's worth your time.

Getting beyond the thumbnail film-noir meets cyberpunk, the book does cover some interesting questions.

Backing up humans is covered, but so is religious opposition to the process. Copying humans is likewise considered, as is modifying the flesh in unusual ways ( picture a very hot chick. now picture a very hot chick who secretes XTC when she's turned on. ) and some of the more usual ones ( installing the consiousness of a male in a female body ).

But dont think this is some preachy isnt-the-future-cool diatribe. Its complex plot is, as others have said, worthy of Dashel or Hammet with a similar man-against-system feel.

Overall, it gave me the same feel that Neuromancer gave me when I read it; a future darkly lit in a form that stands outside traditional genres.

Too bad he uses the UN (0, Offtopic)

greenmars (685118) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312933)

Too bad he uses the UN as a character/trusted institution -- already seems dated.

Broken Angels (5, Informative)

Flave (193808) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312940)

I agree -- Altered Carbon is an amazing book. I couldn't put it down and read it in two sittings.

So when I heard that Broken Angels was out, I bought it ASAP (it's been available for a while here in Canada). you cannot imagine my disappointment at this classic textbook example of sophomore jinx! As much as I loved the first book, I hated the second and it took all I could muster to even finish it. Whereas the first book was tight, focused, gripping and exciting, the second is the exact opposite; slow, plodding and irretrievably dull.

Hopefully he'll find his muse again in future installments.

No need to read. (0, Troll)

Jack9 (11421) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312943)

I consider spaceflight and alien species within the realm of remote possibility. Any book that somehow "ignores" the primal fear of death (which is what any society involved with personality swapping would need to overcome) rediculous. This book is obviously a peice of trippy trash and I have a hard time understanding why anyone would WANT to read about such fantastical crap. I don't see people lining up to read a fictional tale "involving a future global decision to make chinese new year 'suicide with your pet day'" because it's equally ridiculous.

Carbon? (1, Funny)

buckhead_buddy (186384) | more than 11 years ago | (#6312958)

Being a Mac user, it should be noted that Altered Cocoa will be better! :-)

sleeves? (1)

*weasel (174362) | more than 11 years ago | (#6313021)

and just how is it that humanity can justify growing a human body and then essentially reformatting it for use by the rich - but doesn't want to touch the subject of copying?

jeebus - we can't even use waste from abortions to try to cure nerve damage here in america, yet in the future we can grow entire humans and then destroy their sentience and/or soul?

real technology has shown us that a clone is not the original, nor is it a soulless, mindless husk - but an equally viable and unique individual.

this book makes the machines in the matrix look humane. at least they let the grown human live out a life in their pod.

Digitization means loss of data, no? (1)

TechScared (212975) | more than 11 years ago | (#6313070)

We all know that CDs don't sound exactly the same as the vinyls. Same can be said for the vinyls I guess in fact, as it does not compare to a live music.

Wouldn't digitizing a human conciousness result in a "loss of data"? I couldn't even begin to imagine how one would re-insert the digital data into the human brain again, let alone extract it in the first place. But I guess that's the premise of the book - that it is possible to duplicate the original as close as possible.

We are said to be using only 3-10% of our brain. I wonder whether in the book's world, the technology behind the digital duplication would have unlocked the rest of the brain. Otherwise, that what you may end up with is merely 1% of your "analog" brain.

Sounds like a fun book though, not that I have time to read any "fun" books these days...

cheers.

Does it have Heinlein's extreme right-wing view? (2, Insightful)

egg troll (515396) | more than 11 years ago | (#6313096)

That's what I really disliked about Heinlein: He was very right-wing. Starship Troopers was basically a pro-military propaganda piece (if you read it next time, replace "communist" or "russian" with "bugs" and see how spooky it is.) While I certainly can't begrudge someone their viewpoint or say they can't write how they feel, I just couldn't enjoy Heinlein because of it.

But that's just my opinion....
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