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EMI and Sony Lose Lawsuit Over Crippled Music Disks

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the good-start dept.

Music 407

neves writes "A brazilian consumer has sued EMI and Sony, and won! The reason was a copy protection technology in the best seller album "Tribalistas" that didn't play in his car. You can read about it in Folha de São Paulo (babelfish translation here), brazilian biggest newspaper. They must be very afraid, since EMI vice-president defended the company himself in a lawsuit involving less than US$ 350,00. A more detailed report is in my music site Agenda do Samba & Choro (babelfish here), where we release some of the lawsuit files to make it easier for others to sue them. Since last year, we are calling for a boycott (babelfish) of copy protected albums. The companies appealed, and said that they will take the case to the Supreme Court, because it is a 'question of principles'. The consumer is sueing them again, because all new EMI albums in Brazil are being released with copy protection and won't work in his car."

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Stinky Woo woo (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6321862)

FOST pirts tyou

you freakers

I wonder how effective this will be... (-1, Insightful)

norculf (146473) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321869)

Brazillian case law means little in courts in the United States.

Re:I wonder how effective this will be... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6321886)

Well, as you US guys don't matter for us brazilians, we too don't matter about you guys, so...

Re:I wonder how effective this will be... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6322044)

the pun doesn't translate itself well. a pity, I was laughing to guffaws.

Re:I wonder how effective this will be... (2, Informative)

kayen_telva (676872) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321893)

and ?
I didnt realize the only things that matter
in the world happen in the US.

Re:I wonder how effective this will be... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6321908)

I know but I am raking in the karma anyway.

Re:I wonder how effective this will be... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6322133)

just most of the things that matter happen here then the rest of the world tries to be like us and at the same time hate us.

Re:I wonder how effective this will be... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6321898)

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Re:I wonder how effective this will be... (5, Interesting)

shepd (155729) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321899)

Yeah, but if selling these defective CDs becomes illegal in Brazil, USians could always import all their music from there if they want to be guaranteed error-free CDs.

Re:I wonder how effective this will be... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6321926)

But the music will be in Brazillian.

Re:I wonder how effective this will be... (3, Insightful)

paganizer (566360) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321939)

Maybe this is a joke, but...
Wouldn't your posting this information on slashdot:
"buy your CD's from Brazil in order to get media that isn't crippled" ... be considered, in all actuality, as a violation of the DMCA? you are informing people of a way to violate copyright protection schemes.
Just a thought.

FREENET=FREESPEECH

Re:I wonder how effective this will be... (5, Informative)

jonblaze (140753) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322070)

No.

Sec 103 of the DMCA amends Title 17 of the U.S. Code to prohibit circumvention of a technological measure that effective controls access to a work.

It then goes on to define the relevant terms thusly:

"(A) to 'circumvent a technological measure' means to descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological measure, without the authority of the copyright owner; and

(B) a technological measure 'effectively controls access to a work' if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, requires the application of information, or a process or a treatment, with the authority of the copyright owner, to gain access to the work."

Re:I wonder how effective this will be... (1, Redundant)

rocjoe71 (545053) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322005)

Translation: Brazillian case law means little *TO ME*.

Another Chewbacca defense (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6321873)

In the "Chef Aid" episode, Chef is accused of trying to steal the song "Stinky Britches," which he really wrote many years ago. The record company takes Chef to court, and they hire Johnny Cochran to prosecute Chef. The whole town is wondering if he will use his famous "Chewbacca Defense," which he used during the O.J. Simpson trial. Here's a transcript:

Ladies and gentlemen of the supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider: (pulling down a diagram of Chewie) this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk, but Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now, think about that. That does not make sense! (jury looks shocked)

Why would a Wookiee -- an eight foot tall Wookiee -- want to live on Endor with a bunch of two foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense!

But more importantly, you have to ask yourself: what does that have to do with this case? (calmly) Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense!

Look at me, I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca. Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense. None of this makes sense.

And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberating and conjugating the Emancipation Proclamation... does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense.

If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.

Later in that same episode, Cochran has a change of heart and defends Chef when Chef sues the record company. Again, he uses the Chewbacca Defense, although with some minor changes:

Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, you must now decided whether to reverse the decision for my client Chef. I know he seems guilty, but ladies and gentlemen... (pulling down a diagram of Chewbacca) This is Chewbacca. Now think about that for one moment -- that does not make sense. Why am I talking about Chewbacca when a man's life is on the line? Why? I'll tell you why: I don't know.

It does not make sense. If Chewbacca does not make sense, you must acquit!

(pulling a monkey out of his pocket) Here, look at the monkey. Look at the silly monkey! (one of the juror's heads explodes)

Eventually, Chef wins the case and all is well.

Funny (4, Insightful)

T40 Dude (668317) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321877)

how the the indutry's seep pockets didn't help them in court ( at least in Brazil).

Re:Funny (3, Funny)

Hogwash McFly (678207) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321929)

The previous post was brough to you in association with babelfish

Re:Funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6322147)

You sure typed that up fast! Should've spent another 2 seconds reading it over maybe.

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6321878)

Frurst post fpfpfp! -Anonymous Trolloser

HAND ME SOME TOLIET PAPER! (-1, Flamebait)

I POOP ON FAILURES! (685242) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321889)

::gets up from atop your post::

Ah yes! I just let a steamy load off on your post. Yes, thats me taking a dump on your failed attempt at first post.

I POOP ON FAILURES!

EMI AND SONY SO FUCKING FAIL IT! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6321882)



You love t.

Yeah! (0)

tds67 (670584) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321883)

Before all the records come in this format, she is necessary that the people take an attitude: He has boycotted records anticopy!

Yeah! Fsck records anticopy!

CarMac! (4, Funny)

Capt'n Hector (650760) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321884)

so if I hook wheels to my G4, I can sue too?

Re:CarMac! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6321943)

hhmmm, A G4 with wheels. No one will take you seriously driving a ricer. So. no you can't sue.

Tribalistas sample (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6321885)

Those of you into Brazilian music know how good this band is, but for those who don't know, here's a link [tinyurl.com] to a sample of their amazing work. Truly one of my favorites.

Re:Tribalistas sample (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6321890)

I didn't know the goatse guy made music...

GOATSE, (nt) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6321920)

(nt)

Re:Tribalistas sample (1, Informative)

kayen_telva (676872) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321924)

Im not touching that with a ten-foot pole !! Why the f@#!$ di you use tinyurl ??/ Heres the real link http://www.allbrazilianmusic.com/en/reviews/review s.asp?Status=MATERIA&Nu_Critica=855

Re:Tribalistas sample (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6321957)

Who's the dipshit that rated this "informative"?

Modded up Informative TWICE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6321974)

3y3 4m t3h b3$t tr011 3v3r!!!!!111 lolol stupid slashdot mods. just give up. the trolls win.

Help, my brain hurts (5, Funny)

Skater (41976) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321887)

If you find that this process is little thing, the recorders you do not agree.

I'd like to read the articles, but...

--RJ

Re:Help, my brain hurts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6321972)

I'll fix that, for US$ 350,00

Crippled disks? (4, Funny)

Hogwash McFly (678207) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321902)

August or September is marked for the third album of Otto, already baptized "Without Gravity"

Well if you put Holy Water on your CDs what do you think's gonna happen when you try and play them!?

Re:Crippled disks? (1)

Arker (91948) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321977)

August or September is marked for the third album of Otto, already baptized "Without Gravity"

Well if you put Holy Water on your CDs what do you think's gonna happen when you try and play them!?

I think 'christened' would probably be a better translation. ;)

Limitations of USian capitalist model (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6321904)

This shows one of the main limitations of the laissez-faire capitalism that USia endorses over the more rational policies implemented in the rest of the world. When corporations are as unfettered as they are in USia, getting them to agree on things like CD-ROM standards is a herculean task - each corporation is assured that it has the One True path.

In Brazil OTOH they're more used to being told what to do by more socialist governments, and the idea of a standard is more easily applicable to the way they work within regulations anyway.

Re:Limitations of USian capitalist model (1)

Crashmarik (635988) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321963)

Ok I'll be the goof

what is the ia supposed to be ?

Re:Limitations of USian capitalist model (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6322053)

America - Brazilia - Canadia = USia

Re:Limitations of USian capitalist model (1)

Crashmarik (635988) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322100)

Sorry Must have missed that event

Let me know if Boston and Miami Amalgamate. ;-)

mod parent up (1)

daniel23 (605413) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322152)

as it answers the question! informative

Re:Limitations of USian capitalist model (2, Interesting)

daniel23 (605413) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322140)

I don't speak Portuges so I'm at a loss as to explain this en detail but it reminds me of other renaming of that "USA" moniker I've seen (like VSA, amiland,..) which I tend to explain as the expression of the speaker's/writer's enstrangement towards the militar/political/economical conduct of said country by writing its trademark in a strange way.
Call it an linguistic attempt of anti-propaganda.

Re:Limitations of USian capitalist model (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6322121)

Well considering the abject poverty of most of brazil and its 9,000 GDP and europe's stagnation I believe I will take the united state's way of doing things.

They can keep their cds that can play in a car.

Excellent news! (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6321906)

Thank God someone had the initiative to actually do something about this! My only contribution has been to vote with my wallet, not purchasing any music that comes in a crippled format and encourage others to do the same. As much as I hate the "just sue them" philosophy, it seems to have worked in this case. Perhaps the time has come for us to vote with our lawyers rather than our wallets.

Not only that ... (0)

telstar (236404) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321909)

...he's suing them because all the music was in another language!

In related news.. (5, Funny)

Kwil (53679) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321910)

..President George Bush has recently announced that the CIA and FBI have received "reliable information" from Microsoft and the RIAA indicating that Saddam Hussein has relocated to Brazil, hotbed of godless Communism and Linux supporters, where he is currently setting up WMD factories with funding from Osama Bin Laden, who is expected to be arriving there shortly to personally oversee the distribution.

The President has announced that he is specifically not taking the nuclear option off the table, though he declined to comment further on what exactly he meant by this.

Worldwide fight ? (5, Informative)

borgdows (599861) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321914)

EMI has just lost a trial about copy-protected CD's in France too (and the consumer association behind it is now suing Sony and BMG).

you can read the complete article at : http://linuxfr.org/2003/06/26/13036.html/ [linuxfr.org] (in french)

Fine them all their money (1)

cabalamat2 (227849) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322146)

What would be a reasonable fine for the music corporations to pay?

Given that they recently forced a student to pay over his life savings, the vile evil filth should have the same done to them -- force them to turn over all their assets, including all their money, property and intellectiual property.

Under US Law (5, Interesting)

oaf357 (661305) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321921)

These CDs are illegal... the RIAA hasn't gone as far as saying that but they've said that if you buy a CD and want to make a copy of it for use in your car that doing so is okay.

I hope it does go to the supreme court so we can get rid of these CDs that infringe on my rights.

Re:Under US Law (1)

sofar (317980) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321953)

who gives a shit about US law? the US will continue to astound the world with these silly super-DMCA laws while the rest of the world gets at least a bit of value for their (insert local currency). We laugh, knowing that US law will never become world law.

Re:Under US Law (1)

oaf357 (661305) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322014)

Well. The DMCA hasn't been tested in the US Supreme Court either. Hopefully, someone will take it that far.

pay my legal fees plus 10% (1)

SHEENmaster (581283) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322144)

and I'll challenge the law for you.

"Consumers" have no "rights" (2, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6321922)

Your rights, such as they are, are outlined in the license agreement that you accept. If you do not accept the license agreement, you have no right to use the music. If you use it anyway, you are a felon. This crime is far worse than rape or murder, because it strikes at the heart of the system of natural incentives which drives our free economy. Any "rights" that the vendor chooses to grant you are gifts, pure and simple, and you certainly have not earned them. The vendor has sunk millions of dollars of capital into developing the product. They have every right to expect a return on this investment, and the fact they are generously allowing you to use the music at all is more than you probably deserve. Your role in this culture is to pay them for the work performed by their employees, who are damned lucky to have jobs (and almost certainly don't appreciate it). Pay up and shut up.

These "rights" of the "consumer" are like the "rights" of women or animals; it's an absurdity on the face of it. Slashdot has no business wasting our time with this leftist garbage. It says up there "News for Nerds. Stuff that matters." Is that what this is? Decidedly not. Competent "nerds" (technical people) are by definition conservative Libertarians, for two reasons: First, they are productive individuals and the principle of rational self-interest proves that they will not support the socialists. Second, they are by definition intelligent and logical people (they work with logic all day, do they not?) and therefore they cannot be fooled by liberal myths and nonsense like so-called "heliocentric" cosmology, "evolution", or the redistribution of wealth (organized coercive parasitism). A leftist nerd is a contradiction in terms, and therefore cannot exist.

heh heh (1)

August_zero (654282) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322055)

I love the smell of sarcasm in the morning, really I do.

Re:"Consumers" have no "rights" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6322096)


now you see what happens when you masterbate too much

Re:"Consumers" have no "rights" (1)

Izago909 (637084) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322143)

Lesson #1. America isn't free economy and hasn't been for a long time. It is a capitalist economy which is simply a glorified pyramid scheme. Those at the top make sure they stay there. "Screw the people at the bottom because the society I take so much from doesn't owe me jack."
At least in communism and socialism everyone is screwed equally and not given false hopes of a better life. Compassionate conservative must mean they wear a comforting face when they rape you for everything you are, and ever will be, worth.

I wonder.. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6321928)

Hmm... Wonder what I could do with 350,00 dollars? I'd probably try to purchase that extra zero.

Re:I wonder.. (2, Interesting)

Arker (91948) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322003)

Hmm... Wonder what I could do with 350,00 dollars? I'd probably try to purchase that extra zero.

Pretty sure that in US terms it would be 350.00, but it's not a typo. Sound odd?

In a lot of countries they reverse the roles of the comma and the period in numbers. Confused the hell out of me when I first saw it, but it's true. $350,000.00 is written $350.000,00 for instance. Disturbing, isn't it?

Re:I wonder.. (1)

green1 (322787) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322084)

>In a lot of countries they reverse the roles of the comma and the period in numbers. Confused the hell out of me when I first saw it, but it's true. $350,000.00 is written $350.000,00 for instance. Disturbing, isn't it?

from my experience that's not quite true... usually they use the , as the seperator between dollars and cents however they usually do not use the period elsewhere in the number, they will either write it straight out $350000,00 or use a space $350 000,00

Re:I wonder.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6322135)

Not in most countries of europe. We DO use the . to make longer numbers more legible. In fact I've never seen a space used in this way, there only seem to be two systems and they reverse the role of . and ,

Re:I wonder.. (0)

pVoid (607584) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322108)

Many metric systems use that notation. In fact, the US is the only place I've seen it ass-backwards.

See? It's just perspective.

Re:I wonder.. (1)

saunder3 (632099) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322048)

Some languages, including French and apparently Portuguese, use a comma as the decimal place and a period to delimit sets of three digits to the left of the decimal.

What is the Legal Framework of the Judgement ?? (4, Interesting)

leoaugust (665240) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321933)

If confirmed, the sentence would generate jurisprudence for that if they oppose to the technology of "controlled copies"

I would be interested in knowing as to what the logical reasoning and the legal framework of the case was.

Was the winning based on something substantial, or could it be just overcome by the CD producer putting up a disclaimer sticker on the CD saying the "this might not work on certain devices." Basically the intention is to understand the depth of the victory.

Could somebody help with some links or any more info??

mod up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6321956)

mod up

Greetings from Kabul (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6321936)


Junis Speaks!!!!! [bbc.co.uk]

Kabul now has internet cafes, huh? Now we know where Katz is!! =)

copy protection doesn't work (5, Insightful)

Pompatus (642396) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321937)

Copy protection is like the war on drugs. It doesn't work. It's been tried for at least 20 years and the problem has only gotten worse. Remeber code wheels? And then the classic "page 36, paragraph 3, line 7, word 2". It only serves to make life more difficult for the legitimate user.

The real solution to stop piracy is to drop the prices on software, music, and movies to a reasonable amount. A friend of mine was offered a free copy of Windows XP and turned it down because he got such a large student discount (I think $20) that it didn't matter to him. Before anyone points out loss of profit from discounted prices, if more people acutally BUY these things at a discount instead of grabbing them off Kazza, these companies would make the same money that they do today.

Re:copy protection doesn't work (5, Funny)

Darthnice (591865) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322034)

Customer: I'd like to buy MegaSoft Doors 2K3
Retailer: How does $200 sound?
C: Way too high.
R: Then $100?
C: I'll pass.
R: But that's a deal! The last guy who was in here paid $150!
C: Would you take $20?
R: If I say no are you going to download it from Kazza?
C: Yep.
R: Where is the pre-crimes enforcement division when you need them?

Re:copy protection doesn't work (1)

GammaTau (636807) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322077)

Copy protection is like the war on drugs. It doesn't work. It's been tried for at least 20 years and the problem has only gotten worse. Remeber code wheels? And then the classic "page 36, paragraph 3, line 7, word 2". It only serves to make life more difficult for the legitimate user.

I believe that one of the major reasons in introducing new copy restriction technology is to get the legal system to protect that technology. The technology itself might not be so effective but if circumventing the restriction and the software and/or tools needed to circumvent the restriction are illegal, the otherwise ineffective restriction technology is actually much stronger.

Re:copy protection doesn't work (0, Flamebait)

sugus (652326) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322150)

Before anyone points out loss of profit from discounted prices, if more people acutally BUY these things at a discount instead of grabbing them off Kazza, these companies would make the same money that they do today.

That is ridiculous.

Do you have any idea how much time and effort these multi-million dollar companies spend on pricing their products? You think they just randomly pluck a number from the air?

They choose a price to maximise profits. They're not stupid...just immoral.

is US$ 350,00 a lot of money, or a little? (3, Funny)

isolenz (466129) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321938)

The way I look at this

US$ 350.00 - A little bit of money, but waste of time
US$ 350,000 - A lot of money, well worth the lawsuit
US$ 35,000 - A fair bit, still worth the lawsuit

BUT WHAT THE HELL IS US$ 350,00

-isolenz

Re:is US$ 350,00 a lot of money, or a little? (4, Informative)

kryptkpr (180196) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321961)

People in countries other then yours commonly use a , instead of a . to seperate their "dollars" from their "cents"... whenever you see something like $ 350,00 (particuarly when this figure is quoted in the foreign media) and it doesn't make any sense to you, simply replace the offending , with an .

Re:is US$ 350,00 a lot of money, or a little? (1)

Wild Wizard (309461) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322066)

actually the correct symbol for the english readers is given in the babel translation but whoever did the /. brief stuffed up their currency conversion

and as a given rule if you are going to state a figure in say USD than you should format the number as it would be normaly seen in the US, and that goes for any other country

ps Australian and we use "." for cents and "," for readability of large values

Re:is US$ 350,00 a lot of money, or a little? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6322086)

and as a given rule if you are going to state a figure in say USD than you should format the number as it would be normaly seen in the US, and that goes for any other country

I doubt that many Americans would format an amount in foreign currency by using a . to delimit thousands. In fact I doubt that you would, though I may be being unfair as I don't know you at all :)

ps Australian and we use "." for cents and "," for readability of large values

Pretty much any English speaking country does I would have thought. It's not specifically a currency thing as you seem to be implying.

Re:is US$ 350,00 a lot of money, or a little? (1)

isolenz (466129) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322102)

Yes, this is what confused me, I am the original poster, and I have not been everywhere, but have been to New Zealand, Australia, throughout south east asia, carribean, through the states, and through all the UK, and live in canada. And I didn't quite understand the ',' notation, although I do now realize after various people posted that I have not yet been everywhere and that some places do write unfamiliar notation with currencies. Hrmmm, well, news to me.

-isolenz

Re:is US$ 350,00 a lot of money, or a little? (5, Informative)

servoled (174239) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321964)

Brazil uses the "," instead of "." to denote the decimal place, in fact a lot of countries do. Therefore, this would be $350.00 (three hundred fifty dollars and zero cents) american.

Re:is US$ 350,00 a lot of money, or a little? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6321980)

Note that in pretty much every country outside of the united states, a ',' is used in place of '.' in these numerical figures.

in the US we say $350.00, pretty much everywhere else they say $350,00

Re:is US$ 350,00 a lot of money, or a little? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6321995)

that's brazilian notation. it means $350.00 in US terms. they use that notation in many countries in europe.

learning a bit about other countries doesn't hurt anyone ;-)

Re:is US$ 350,00 a lot of money, or a little? (2, Informative)

Wild Wizard (309461) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322000)

6 Civil Special Court of the River determined that the companies change the copy and pay indemnity of R$ 1,000 to the consumer. EMI already appealed.

hmm brazillian $1,000 dollars is what was awarded
using this [xe.com] convertor i get
345.639 USD

$350 (1)

SHEENmaster (581283) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322081)

or 3.5E2 in /. terminology.

Oh RIGHT. (5, Insightful)

Faust7 (314817) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321946)

The companies appealed, and said that they will take the case to the Supreme Court, because it is a 'question of principles'.

It is difficult for me to read this sentence and not be a little angry at its blatant hypocrisy. "Principles" indeed:

The vice-president of EMI, Bannitz Luiz, affirms that she is inevitable will happen problems in situations of implantation of new technologies. "the consumer complains, we changes the product. But it is lamentable that certain people use this as extortion form "

Right, because not being able to listen to a CD in my car is an "inevitable problem." And suing them because I can't do this is "extortion." Exactly what principles do these companies subscribe to? (Don't answer.)

The only principle involved here is an affirmation of one's rights as a consumer.

Re:Oh RIGHT. (4, Interesting)

Crashmarik (635988) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321989)

Well you have to remember

When the consumer sues its Extortion.

When the RIAA sues its protecting your property rights

They may have won the battle.... (1)

Penguin2212 (173380) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321949)

They must be very afraid...

This will be a small victory, but I don't know how much of a long term effect this will have. Certianly, this won't have much of an impact in the United States or elsewhere.

I didn't buy it (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6321952)

I was in Brazil in March and I almost bought the Tribalistas CD when I saw the notice that it was copy protected.

If I can't copy the songs to my MP3 player, I won't buy the damn thing. I imagine they've lost a lot of sales.

By the way, all of Tribalista's songs are available in Kazaa, proving copy protection doesn't work. Talk about the medicine being worst than the disease.

Setting a precedence (5, Insightful)

OzTech (524154) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321959)

I haven't read the story, but this bloke is on the right track. When we buy music CD's, we are in fact purchasing a license to listen to the audio content, along with a fee for the media the licensed content is supplied on. What we end up owning is the media, and a perpetual license to listen to the content. If the media becomes damaged, our license to listen to the content is still valid. Therefore, we should be able to duplicate the content ro protect our investment in the license fee we have paid to listen to it. In summary, we are paying to listen to the music, not the media it is supplied on. By not allowing us to protect our investment, we are in fact being ripped-off. I for one, wish that more people would realise this. If they did, then perhaps more people would start to take a stance to protect their rights, when they realise that we are in fact being ripped off. The real pirates are the companies who are forcing us to purchase multiple licenses to listen to music, for which we have already paid. We need to make the courts, and policitians aware of this double-dipping that is being snuck in under the guise of "protection from pirates" In my view "Media Pirates", are people who duplicate and sell for profit, not individuals who are simply trying to listen to something they have paid a license for.

Re:Setting a precedence (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6322001)

Please mod parent up - it's insightful.

Many thanks.

- Vaguely Anonymous

Re:Setting a precedence (5, Insightful)

Qzukk (229616) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322128)

What we end up owning is the media, and a perpetual license to listen to the content.

That thought right there is what seems to scare the big guys the most. See, what they want is for you to own nothing after putting down your hard-earned cash.

They don't want you to own the cd iteself, because then you could give it to someone else since it is your physical property. They most definitely don't want you to own a perpetual license to listen to the CD, because then they couldn't charge you for each time you hear the song.

Looks like (2, Funny)

mikeophile (647318) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321969)

Brazil has really got EMI by the macarenas.

Brzailians have their priorities right (5, Funny)

thelandp (632129) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321975)

Consumers are copying music ... No es nada

Music company puts in anti-piracy system ... Who cares

You can't play music in you car while trying to seduce the seniorita ... LAWSUIT! Revolución!

Clear Labeling (5, Interesting)

jcsehak (559709) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321979)

I said it before, and I'll say it again - there's nothing wrong with copy-protected CDs - as long as they're clearly labeled as such. Label them and let the consumers decide, I say. Cases like this should really fall under false-advertising precedents.

Re:Clear Labeling (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6322033)

Surely there _is_ something wrong with copy-protected CDs if at the same time all blank media is "piracy-taxed"?

Barking Cats (5, Insightful)

The Monster (227884) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322092)

there's nothing wrong with copy-protected CDs - as long as they're clearly labeled as such.
Except that they aren't even 'CDs' anymore [smr-home-theatre.org] if they're crippled this way. Phillips and Sony worked out the standards for compact disks, and (thank God) Phillips doesn't have a music-publishing business - they've warned the major labels not to call these things CDs or use the Compact Disc logo. [usatoday.com]

A copy-protected 'CD' is a contradiction in terms.

Re:Clear Labeling (1)

dk.r*nger (460754) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322094)

I said it before, and I'll say it again - there's nothing wrong with copy-protected CDs - as long as they're clearly labeled as such. Label them and let the consumers decide, I say. Cases like this should really fall under false-advertising precedents.

Sure. But what about the ignorant "I like this music, so I'll buy the album anyway, because it works on my stereo" people? The same people who'll say "Oh, limitaions on free speech? I don't mind, I won't critisize the government anyway" ..

Democracy needs enlightened people to speak up!

babelfish everywhere. (5, Funny)

arcanumas (646807) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321981)

Babelfish translation too much in story is.
Reading article i not can.
Like Yoda speaking am.

Help.

SCO!!! (1, Funny)

RayOfLight (266465) | more than 11 years ago | (#6321983)

Obviously SCO has caused some inspiration! ;-)

Run a spellcheck on the article (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6321986)

It's suing [reference.com] not "sueing".

Don't you forget the Gummi Bears! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6321999)

"Dashing and daring, courageous and caring,
faithful and friendly with stories to share
All the through the forest they sing out in chorus,
Marching along as their song fills the air Gummi Bears! Bouncing here and there and everywhere.
High adventure that's beyond compare. They are the Gummi Bears. Magic and mystery, are part of their history, Along with the secret, of gummiberry juice. Their legend is growing, they take pride in knowing, They'll fight for what's right, in whatever they do. Gummi Bears!
Bouncing here and there and everywhere. High adventure that's beyond compare. They are the Gummi Bears. They are the Gummi Bears!" - Theme song of Gummi Bears, cartoon TV show

In related news (-1, Offtopic)

Hogwash McFly (678207) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322030)

Wendy Rowland from RODA (Rights Of the Disabled Association) is campaigning to end the usage of the term 'crippled music disks'. The phrase, along with 'crippled CDs' and 'crippled RIAA DRM bullshit' is now a part of common vocabulary due to the recent introduction of copy protected CDs from major record labels in an attempt to combat music piracy, something that has boomed in the past couple of years.

'My brother lost both legs in 'Nam. I believe that this "word", that I can't even bring myself to say, is both offensive and disgusting' Rowland says.

Rowland has also been an active campaigner against words such as spastic, leper and retard

'I have no problem with people's concern about these devices - my son is a heavy Kazaa user himself - but I believe that a new term should be associated with these disks. Please let this old fashioned word die out'

Re:In related news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6322057)

would "Playing disabled music disc" be any better?

Remember.... (1)

Nemus (639101) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322052)

After a victory, it is considered proper form to refrain from gloating over your opponent.

However, its perfectly acceptable to insult their lineage, mock the size of their respective genitalia, and generally make them feel inferior to you in every way, which, of course, they are =).

I'd be surprised if something like this managed to happen in the US though. Theres to much lean and sway in the judicial system for megacorps. If it did happen however, I can only liken Sony and EMI to a three year old sent outside into the world's largest hailstorm/tornado that hit a razor blade factory. Megacorp-Puree' anyone?

annoy the shop, leave them at the counter (2, Interesting)

Gunstick (312804) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322082)

All CD's I want to buy I take them to the cashier. Then I check if they have the mention "CD Audio" and if not or if it says "wont play on PC" I leave them there with the comment that those don't work on my system and that I'll download them as MP3 from the Internet instead :-)
Shop will have to put them back themselves. It's their fault if they sell faulty items.

there is precedence for international jurisdiction (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6322085)

It was 7:00 AM, and I was in the middle of eating breakfast.
Four strips of bacon, and some rather ugly looking eggs. My glance went
to my frying pan. I used it for many normal things, of course. I had
even used it to cook the breakfast I was eating. But there was also
another thing, that I wanted to use the frying pan for.

I had dreamed of that pan, for many years now. It had such rounded
curves, such a smooth handle. Every day, seeing the grease drip on it's
lubricated body. Every day, feeling it, touching it. I could almost hear
it calling for me. I was getting a chubby, just thinking about it. Then,
I knew, today was the day. I had to make my move.

I got up from my chair, and walked over to it. I could see it was
still dripping with grease, and bacon fat. It was so utterly greasy.
I hoisted it up, then started moving my tongue all about it. Moving it up
the front, up the back. Running it over the handle. The pan started
going over my body. It was rubbing it's greasy body all over, begging me
for more.

I began to unbutton my shirt, as I erotically mouth fucked
it. I removed my shirt, as it started teasing my chest. It
suddenly went lower, gliding over my pants, making the fabric between it,
and my throbbing manhood wet with white, creamy grease. I lowered my
pants, kicking them off, my stone hard cock begging to be released. But,
I wanted to pleasure the pan first.

I then began to rub my pink tongue around the pans handle, tongue
tickling it. I started moving my mouth over it, sliding the pan in and
out, Making it wet with my saliva, motioning my tongue in circles around
it. I slid it deeper in, consuming every bit I could, faster and deeper.
Sucking so hard, as my head bobbed back and forth. I could feel it rumble
with excitment. If pans have orgasms, it was having one. I mouth fucked
it 'till it finished its massive orgasm.

I knew it wanted to please me. I managed my underwear over my huge
unit. It went directly to my anus, smoothing it's saliva ridden handle
over it, lubing it up for penetration. It went in gently at first, a
little bit at a time, a little further each shove. I started lightly
moaning. It kept shoving, moving with more force, and speed. I started
groaning a bit, I wanted all of it in me. It started getting quite powerful,
and my anus finally gave way, and swallowed it whole. I rode it out,
groaning louder, with each push. It felt so good, I knew I was close to
orgasm, I could feel my balls tremble with delight. But, without notice,
it pulled out. I groaned, trying to pull it back in, still wanting to
feel the pleasure. But it insisted on going around front.

It smoothed itself around my massive manhood, bouncing it up and
down. It was rubbing the cock head now, soaking it with its' juices.
Jerking me at a wonderfully slow pace, that made me cringe with sensation.
It was now Jerking me faster, up and down, left and right, all around.
Moving me so fast, my balls ached as they bounced against the pan.
I moved with it's speedy motion, groaning loudly, and moving my head back,
in sexual glory. I was ready to blow, and then it happened. As I let out
one loud grunt, streams of cum shot out, dripping down the pan. It jerked
me until every hot, creamy shot, was out. It was over, I had lived my
fantasy.

Tell the artist directly (5, Interesting)

darnok (650458) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322125)

I went along to a show last week, where the artist was performing songs off his latest, copy-protected CD. After the show, there was a stall selling his CDs at the back, so went back to check it out.

Sure enough, out he came to sign copies of his CD for those who were going to buy a copy. I worked my way to the front with a copy of his CD in hand, and handed it over. I pointed out the copy protection notice, then said "although I really liked your show and your new stuff, I'm not going to buy a copy of your CD since I can't play it on my PC or in my car".

He looked a bit shocked, and asked what I was talking about. I said that the copy protection would prevent me from playing the CD on my PC or in my car, and that since that was where I listen to music 99% of the time, his CD wouldn't be much use to me. I handed him one of my business cards and told him to call me if he wanted to talk about it further - there was a bunch of people behind me waiting for their CDs to be signed...

I got the impression that he either didn't know his CD was released copy protected, that he wasn't sure what copy protection actually meant for a CD, or that he was surprised that someone like me (a 40 year old, normal looking guy, not an obviously raving half-wit) would confront him with something like this after his show.

I also got the impression that he was going to look into it further - he's a 40ish guy also, with a fairly niche appeal and presumably wife/kids/mortgage etc. like the rest of us. He probably didn't like hearing a fan tell him people couldn't play his music in the car or at their PC.

I'll check out his CD in the stores again in another month or so to see if it's had the copy protection removed.

The irony of standardization.. (-1, Offtopic)

mumblestheclown (569987) | more than 11 years ago | (#6322153)

An irony of "standardization" is that that some of the pro-open standards crowd insists on using the comma-to-indicate-decimals notation that has is used essentially only in northern europe. it's time for that convention to die.
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