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ATI's Radeon Linux drivers no longer supported?

Hemos posted more than 11 years ago | from the back-tracking dept.

Graphics 666

SuperBug writes "After viewing the previous story on Slashdot about the Radeon 9800 vs GF FX 5900, I checked out ATI's web-site which seems to have been re-designed relatively recently. It seems strikingly similar to nVidia's site regarding the driver selections. I thought "great, ths should be much better to find my drivers now. At least a little simpler." To my surprise. I found this message for Linux Graphics Drivers "Not Supported". Thinking this had to be a mistake, I took a look at the "Discontinued Products" list under the customer care link and lo and behold. Just about every recent card is there. I just wanna know, what gives?"

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possible answers? (5, Informative)

sweeney37 (325921) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330441)

Looks like they answer a lot of Linux questions in the FAQ [ati.com] .

Mike

Second Pr0st33Z (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330446)

2nd pr0st33Z.

Re:possible answers? (2, Informative)

rot26 (240034) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330456)

Looks like they answer a lot of Linux questions in the FAQ.

Yeah, but they don't answer any questions relevant to dropping Linux support, at least that I saw.

Re:possible answers? (4, Informative)

wowbagger (69688) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330470)

Funny, in the FAQ they say they supply binary drivers for accelerated 3D.

They no longer have them on the web site.

The FAQ is old, and has not been updated.

Re:possible answers? (5, Informative)

subsolar2 (147428) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330523)

ATI has only ever "Officially" supported Linux Drivers for their FireGL series of products. These drivers "unoffically" support the 8500 and beyond consumer grade products.


Nothing new here ... please move along.

Re:possible answers? (5, Interesting)

pVoid (607584) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330769)

Even further: ATI has never officially supported many NT/XP/2k drivers either...

I had bought a TV tuner card about 2 years ago, (it was brand new at that point)... the drivers went from beta to discontinued. The beta drivers were a hunk of shit. It took me hours to install them: there was no installer provided, just the drivers with .inf files, there were 6 distinct drivers for one physical card, and unless you found the exact sequence to install them in, they would BSOD the computer *during installation*. (I had to go through quite a few permutations). UN-F*CKING-ACCEPTABLE!

That is why I swore to myself that I would never buy an ATI card again (and I won't).

Re:possible answers? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330511)

Well the FAQ still states

Full-featured and optimized XFree86 drivers are available on the ATI website for the following product families ONLY:
  • RADEON 9700
  • RADEON 9000
  • RADEON 8500
  • FireGL Workstation products
The FireGL drivers are still listed if you go through the drivers page [ati.com]

Now having said all of this, ATI never supported the Linux drivers anyway. They provide documentation and tell you where to find drivers for Linux, but the drivers themselves are actually external to ATI. ATI generally provide patches to E.g. XFree86 but they do not maintain the drivers themselves. So whats new?

Re:possible answers? (2, Insightful)

CaptnMArk (9003) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330682)

This is is actually the way they should be doing things.

Maybe provide "half-supported" binary only drivers for their brand new chipsets.

But for long term I strongly perfer open source drivers (dri.sourceforge.net).

(a radeon user because of open source drivers)

Damn! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330445)

Well, that just blows hairy monkey balls!

Radeon is supported by XFree86 team (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330447)

Since ATI gave them the technical specs.

Maybe.... (5, Funny)

Graemee (524726) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330448)

The guy who wrote them got hit by a bus and they didn't find the source code.

Re:Maybe.... (4, Funny)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330496)

That damn bus is dangerous - always seems to wipe out the one guy who can resolve a sticky situation. How come it never hits the PHB's?

Re:Maybe.... (4, Funny)

hesiod (111176) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330673)

> How come it never hits the PHB's

'cuz they're never in the office, or they have good enough parking spaces to hop in their SUVs before going anywhere near a bus.

Re:Maybe.... (3, Funny)

BorgDrone (64343) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330726)

How come it never hits the PHB's?
They do, only you never hear about it because no one really cares what happens to PHB's

Re:Maybe.... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330514)

or maybe he got in the way of Steve Balmer dancing..

Re:Maybe.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330549)

Maybe he got butt fucked by the bang bus.

Re:Maybe.... (1)

Vampyre_Dark (630787) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330612)

an NVIDIA bus?

Truck number (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330631)

See TruckNumber [c2.com] at Cunningham & Cunningham, Inc. [c2.com] .

Re:Maybe.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330721)

You will be hit by a bus, a bus will hit yooooooooou!

artcle (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330458)

i was gonna post a comment about this article, but i already forgot what it was about.

anyways, back to my rub a dub dubbing.

ATI screws linux again... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330466)

What did you expect?
Then again, ATI hardware always sucked.
They were one of the last companies to figure out how to do LCD scaling on laptop screens.

IF I EVER MEET YOU I WILL KICK YOUR ASS!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330616)

IF I EVER LICK YOU I WILL ASS YOUR MEET!!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330693)

This article is all wrong (5, Informative)

phoxix (161744) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330467)

Get your binary only ATI drivers right here:

http://www.schneider-digital.de/html/download_ati. html [schneider-digital.de]

ATI's Alexander Stohr still works on these drivers (and is a lurker of the dri-devel mailing list.)

Lastly, why don't slashdot editors do some sort of background checking. What are they being paid for?

Sunny Dubey

Re:This article is all wrong (5, Informative)

phoxix (161744) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330501)

Just like to add, those drivers work on the 8500 series to 9800 series. Even if they are labled for higher end cards.

Sunny Dubey

Is that an official distribution? (1)

beavis88 (25983) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330528)

I don't read German, so I suppose it could be, but for many people, "drivers that some guy built" just don't cut it, even if he is associated with ATI in some way.

Re:Is that an official distribution? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330554)

There are no offical ATI drivers anyway, other than the FireGL drivers. So all Linux drivers are technically "drivers that some guy built", even the XFree86 ones. As far as I know, the XFree86 ATI drivers are still there, they still work, and they'll probably still get patches from ATI now & again. This is Non Event No. 452 this week alone.

Re:Is that an official distribution? (5, Informative)

phoxix (161744) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330564)

Alexander Stohr is an employee of ATI. And the drivers on the link are official, are an offical source of distribution.

Sunny Dubey

Official?! Give me a break (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330585)

but for many people, "drivers that some guy built" just don't cut it, even if he is associated with ATI in some way.
Your lame post does not cut it. As if you personally know every author of the Linux kernel, each GNU utility, KDE, GNOME, Samba, NFS, MySQL and Postgres. But that does not stop you from using their free software, idiot.

Re:Is that an official distribution? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330586)

Click the damn link dumbass, the page isn't in German. Besides, ever heard of babelfish?

And but for many people, "drivers that some guy built" just don't cut it is unfair and ridiculous. Where do you think alot of the drivers in the Linux kernel come from? Do you honestly think there's a huge team of professionals working on for example Amiga File System support?

Re:Is that an official distribution? (5, Funny)

blixel (158224) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330605)

but for many people, "drivers that some guy built" just don't cut it

I guess you don't use Linux at all then eh?

Re:Is that an official distribution? (3, Funny)

paulhar (652995) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330742)

Maybe a gal wrote them? Would that be ok?

Re:Is that an official distribution? (1)

beavis88 (25983) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330755)

No, actually, I don't anymore.

When you can buy fully supported commercial Linux distros, I don't think its unreasonable to assume you could do the same with drivers at some point.

Re:This article is all wrong (1)

tholti (544938) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330650)

Err, and now please tell me where are the Radeon drivers, since this is what the article is all about.
Don't blame the editors, better blame yourself for not beeing able to read one article instead of thousands a day. :-)
--tholti

Re:This article is all wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330692)

See that thing called a "README"? It usually wants you to READ IT.

Another place to look... (1)

splerdu (187709) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330672)

The Direct Rendering Project [sf.net] is also writing drivers for many products, ATI included. They're even mentioned and linked to on ATI's site.

Re:This article is all wrong (3, Funny)

botzi (673768) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330680)

Lastly, why don't slashdot editors do some sort of background checking. What are they being paid for?

What do you mean by "they're being paid for??".... Like they're really getting paid???? Geeezee..... That's better than school...no seriously... I mean, in the classroom you make typos=>you got punished(low mark, bullet in the head, whatever), here(/.) you make typos you got paid.....;oPPPPP

Re:This article is all wrong (1, Insightful)

haa...jesus christ (576980) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330717)

Lastly, why don't slashdot editors do some sort of background checking. What are they being paid for?

This is an excellent question - why aren't these guys calling ATI and asking them questions, like a real journalist would? I realize that Slashdot isn't a 'real' news site, and thus the operators aren't real editors, but it would make sense to have them do some of the leg work.

semi-related question: exactly what do the slashdot editors do all day (not meant as a loaded question)?

Easy! Buy a FireGL card.. (3, Funny)

Rinikusu (28164) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330469)

All of their FireGL cards still seem to "be supported", so just fork out the additional $600 or so and grab one of them. :)

or maybe... (1, Funny)

hatrisc (555862) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330471)

the thought of sco made them curl up in a little ball and hide in a corner.

Red hat supported the radeon (2, Informative)

Mark Ferguson (684950) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330473)

My radeon driver came with Red Hat 8 so while ATI might not support linux Red Hat did.

Bzzzt - Nope (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330521)

Um that probably doesn't include 3d acceleration using openGL.

Re:Bzzzt - Nope (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330741)

Exactly, I couldn't get 3d to work with RH8 or 9

p.s. I'm using a Radeon 9500

Isn't this suppored by DRI? (5, Informative)

termos (634980) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330475)

Check here [sourceforge.net] for more information. I am not sure though.

Discontinued products (4, Informative)

CaseyB (1105) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330477)

"Discontinued products" simply means they aren't manufacturing them any more, i.e. anything that isn't in the current "Products" section.

discontinued product lines (1)

pytheron (443963) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330490)

It looks like ATI have great faith in their new card(s) with this step. I hope that eventually a linux driver will emerge, but the reason for the "not supported" is likely to be due to "not written yet". Even though there are precious few games on linux to stretch a card of this calibre, if any at all.. it would be a dubious step not to support linux eventually, since you can be reasonably sure that nvidia will !

Future Support (1)

SerpentBlade2100 (625359) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330491)

I believe with all their new releases, they don't release linux drivers for a short time after the card has been on the market. I believe its always been like this with ATi, and in the past they never had support for Linux at all. I suspect to see them in a matter of weeks... unless of course I am wrong.... but I do think they take a bit more time to release them

Re:Future Support (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330558)

Why are you making this possibly crappy post? I guess I could be wrong, maybe you'll turn around in a couple weeks and I guess pump out some nice posts. I'm not sure if you're a moron or I just have a somewhat larger reaction from weasel words and fluff when you obviously are no authority in what you might be talking about. I believe you should stop posting stupid posts, although I could be wrong, maybe you are possibly a troll.

Might as well go for the obvious... (3, Funny)

Raul654 (453029) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330494)

...before someone else does.

CONSPIRACY! I say conspiracy! Microsoft is paying ATI to cut off support for the linux drivers. They secretly made a large cash payment in a bag with a big '$' on it, probably made the drop somewhere in Daily plaza. This is their new strategy -- paying blood-money to other companies to get them to cut off support for our beloved linux. It's world-wide, dammit! Why won't anyone believe me?

Re:Might as well go for the obvious... (2, Interesting)

leomekenkamp (566309) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330629)

Almost, there is no direct payment of money involved; this is just one big plot around the new GPU for the XBox II. Yeah, that's why they are doing this! "Look Bill, no linux shit on our site."

Re:Might as well go for the obvious... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330669)

Ahem, that should be "Dealey plaza"

"what gives?" (1, Redundant)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330499)

Maybe you should ask ATI?

ATI Linux Drivers (5, Informative)

Surak (18578) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330506)

ATI XFree Drivers have always been written by third parties. ATI does not support them and never has. They merely provide specs to open source developers who in turn write drivers. nVidia, OTOH, actually writes drivers, but keeps the source closed.

So you have to decide the between the lesser of two evils, I guess.

Re:ATI Linux Drivers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330579)

Lesser of two evils? I'll take the "unoficial" drivers with Open specs any day of the week thanks!

Binary drivers are only any good as long as they're supported, with Linux. Look at the poor sods with Vortex soundcards for example. Binary only drivers which are no good if you want to use ALSA, or a newer kernel. Can't get support for them and you can't keep them current.

Re:ATI Linux Drivers (2, Insightful)

phoxix (161744) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330589)

ATI XFree Drivers have always been written by third parties.

Their 3d drivers are written in-house. (Download the package and see the random @ati.com email addresses you will see).

Sunny Dubey

You are wrong (3, Interesting)

Marx_Mrvelous (532372) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330603)

ATI themselves "used to" provide an XFree86 driver themselves. you could download it from their own website, and it came with a very nice program that would auto-generate the correct Xfree86-4 config file. It looks like they're dropping support for it, now.

Re:ATI Linux Drivers (1)

Matrix272 (581458) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330646)

nVidia, OTOH, actually writes drivers, but keeps the source closed.

I could be mistaken, but I seem to remember that NVidia released their last Linux driver as a large script... IANAP, but I think having a driver as a gigantic (6.26mb) script file would qualify as "source".

Script != Source (3, Interesting)

multipartmixed (163409) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330709)

It was probably shar archive. That's where you bury a file(s) within a shell script, and it reconstitutes it on the other end.

If that qualifies as "source", then so do drivers delivered in .tar.gz files... or for that matter, .zip files, .a libraries, etc.

Re:ATI Linux Drivers (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330727)

No, no and no again. nVidia drivers come as one big tarball & script; it basically gets system info and then uses that to compile a very small wrapper around a binary only driver that you system can then load. The source is not available. nVidia are in fact the worst chipset company when it comes to documentation or source code; they do not provide any non-NDA documentation, in contrast to ATi, Matrox, SiS, S3 (Now Via), Intel...everyone, in fact.

If I were buying a graphics card for Linux these days, I wouldn't buy an nVidia simply because of this reason.

Re:ATI Linux Drivers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330751)

IANAP, but I think having a driver as a gigantic (6.26mb) script file would qualify as "source".

And that's why YANAP. It doesn't.

That "gigantic script" is all crap they've had to write up to build and install the BINARY ONLY DRIVER FILE against your kernel. There is no source for that, and it's the only part that counts.

Otherwise it would be like the gatos ati drivers: "compile this, drop it in your modules directory, and you're done"

OpenBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330510)

OpenBSD

Re:OpenBSD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330539)

... is dead as well?

FreeBSD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330556)

FreeBSD

NetBSD (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330614)

NetBSD

SCOBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330641)

SCOBSD

Darl's gone an' done it! It's time to learn 'im! (2, Funny)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330512)

Ah's getten a lynch mob 'gether! Who's with me?

We'll git dat dag-gummed, low-lying varmint, wipe dat grin offen his pie-hole, an' string 'im up fer the bears ta' git 'im!

Com'on, boys! We'll learn 'im good!

vendor asshats (3, Insightful)

TWX (665546) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330524)

It sucks when a vendor won't consider supporting their products in OSes that don't have massive market share, but it sucks worse when they stop supporting them after they've started. Many people using Linux don't have nearly as many choices for hardware as it would seem initially.

As a group, people should email or write to ATI and ask for drivers. If they've already written them, it shouldn't be too much trouble to get them to post them again. If they still decide not to provide support, we just stop using their products.

I know that the ATI Radeons are the new hotness of the video scene. Remember though, Number9, Rendition, 3dFX, and many others have held that title, only to be almost completely out of business by now (or completely, in some cases).

Cool yer jets (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330526)

Keep your panties on, SpiderBug. Most likely, the companies lawyers thought it best if the DefaultState for products is "Not Supported". Then the nimrod who redesigned their website screwed up and none of the new cards were put into the product Db.

Sheesh. Slashdot: News for Screamin' Mimis

fuckem (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330529)

fuck them cunts then nvidia all tha way!

ATI is still providing support... (2, Informative)

splerdu (187709) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330536)

Linux Drivers for ATI products

ATI actively assists qualified 3rd party Linux developers writing software for the majority of ATI products by providing them with development kits and information.


I take it this means to say they'll help out if someone wants to write Linux drivers for their products, but they're not committing to writing Linux drivers themselves.

Burn me for not reading everything before posting. (0, Redundant)

splerdu (187709) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330550)

The ATI Driver's Page [ati.com] includes an option for linux. Select "Graphics Drivers" in the first tab and "Linux" should appear in the second. Not for all products though.

Richard Huddy from ATI answered that question (5, Informative)

Rapsey (241302) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330537)

http://www.slo-tech.com/clanki/03032/03032en.shtml

Re:Richard Huddy from ATI answered that question (1)

ronaldb64 (633924) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330623)

Not off-topic. In fact, very much on-topic. Thanks for providing that link Richard (in case anyone has their filter set to 1 or higher, here's the interview with Richard Huddy from ATI [slo-tech.com] ).

NVidia vs. ATI (4, Interesting)

Matrix272 (581458) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330538)

I've been a fan of NVidia for a long time... since the Riva TNT2 came out back in the day. One of the major things that contributed to their success (in my opinion) is their driver support. For Windows, there's only 1 download for all of their graphics cards. Granted, it's about 30mb, but it works. With Linux, they've always been forthcoming with drivers, even when the kernel supports the cards (in the most basic way).

With the release of the Radeon 9800 and above, ATI is (arguably) finally catching up to NVidia in terms of quality graphics cards... it almost seemed a matter of time until something broke, and I guess the Linux drivers were the first thing. I just hope they keep their All-in-Wonder cards coming. If I ever save up enough money to buy another video card (holy crap, $400 for a modern one these days?), I'll definitely get one of those (I have a GeForce 4 Ti4600 right now).

I still like NVidia, I just hope their next card is better (and quieter) than the GeForce FX.

Re:NVidia vs. ATI (1)

osu-neko (2604) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330653)

Personally, I find NVidia cards quite annoying. Everytime I do a kernel upgrade, I have to seperately obtain and install patches, and the I have to do the same for the XFree86 drivers. It's a royal pain that I don't have to put up with on other systems where I have other graphics cards -- a simple apt-get install of the kernal or XFree gets me everything I need. I've already decided my next graphics card is going to be something *other* than NVidia -- most likely ATI...

Re:NVidia vs. ATI (3, Informative)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330743)

Speaking as someone who just installed Knoppix and the Nvidia drivers you're full of it.

Just grab the GLX and Kernel [4363 is latest] tar.gz's. Unpack them, export IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=true. go into the Kernel directory, make, go into the GLX directory, make, go into /etc/X11, edit XF86CONFIG-4 [e.g. remove dri, etc.. replace nv with nvidia], add nvidia to your /etc/modules

now either reboot or isnmod nvidia and launch startx. Boom NVIDIA drivers.

It took me a while to figure that out [specially the IGNORE_CC part] but once I did I had no troubles installing the files.

All in all if you know what you are doing it takes 3 minutes to install the drivers and GLX portions.

Tom

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A link that addresses this problem (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330561)

See this link ATI Radeon on Linux [geekounet.org] for an excellent overview of the problems with radeon support under Linux (tip, look at the manual instructions in this page and the pages to which it links, DO NOT try to run the shell script, it didn't work for me). The problem is due to old men who do not code but run a pompous little foundatation called XFree86 - they didn't insert ATI's code! After following these instructions, I was able to get dri and xv working (like directx for linux). But it was ugly and hard to find. Now my system works great, but if we want Linux to become a popular desktop, those losers at XFree86 should be forced aside for people that have coded in this decade.

What!? (2, Interesting)

toaster13 (36774) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330567)

I just bought a laptop with their graphics chipset BECAUSE of linux support. ATI better do something, quick.

Not too open source friendly... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330568)

The drop down DHTML menu doesn't work right with Mozilla. The menus are offset to the left. Looks like ATI doesn't like open source software anymore. With the performance of NVidia's and ATI's products so close to eachother, this might be the drawback which concludes the decision which card it will be next fall.

Re:Not too open source friendly... (1)

AndyMoney (621470) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330634)

The DHTML menus on their site work fine for me using Mozilla. Maybe you have an older version? I am running Mozilla 1.4 by the way on a Windows2000 setup.

Re:Not too open source friendly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330708)

Mozilla 1.4 RC2. Interestingly, the menu works as expected when I resize the window. Shift-reloading with the new window size returns to the broken menu. I'm using an ATI graphics card, maybe there's a problem with the driver.. (just kidding).

Cheaters! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330573)

It seems strikingly similar to nVidia's site

Yeah, I guess ATI needed to keep up with those cheaters at ATI.

I found the new ATI site to be riddled with optimized gifs and using stylesheets for positioning that stops working if you go "off the rail" with another browser.

What gives? (0, Troll)

T-Kir (597145) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330577)

I just wanna know, what gives?

Hopefully their website if /. can hammer it enough... that'll teach them to not help us Linux people out, or maybe we'll just have to take our business to nVidia (but then again 'doing' and 'saying' can be two completely different ballgames).

By the way I have a Radeon 9500 Pro on an XP box, and the Catylist drivers still suck... I have to throttle down the hardware acceleration functions to stop XP going screwy (well, more screwy than usual).

Reason number 673... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330591)

Reason number 673 why Linux sucks

No more UT2003 in debian (0)

StrifeCX (589172) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330613)

Damnit I just bought a 9700, overclocked to pro speeds. guess I gotta play in windows now :(

did they ever support linux? (2, Insightful)

vinays (584391) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330643)

As far as I know, their normal Radeon cards have never supported linux..

Its only the FireGL cards which do ...

However, the FireGL drivers also run the Radeon cards .. which is probably where the past assumed 'linux support' came from

Try the dri project.. (1)

mustrum_ridcully (311862) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330665)

There might be drivers available on the dri project site according to the FAQ.

The dri project page is here [sourceforge.net] .

Try doing a google search you might be able to trawl-up a link to the drivers (the radeon 8500 drivers still seem to be available) http://www.ati.com/support/products/pc/radeon8500/ linux/radeon8500linuxdrivers.html [ati.com]

their loss (2, Insightful)

thoolihan (611712) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330667)

The writing is already on the wall, people are moving to GNU/Linux. If ATI doesn't want to support them, Nvidia will sell them cards.

-t

Re:their loss (1)

osu-neko (2604) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330711)

Not until the NVidia drivers become a standard part of the XFree86 distribution. ATI currently provides much better Linux support than NVidia...

Nvidia? (1)

slackr31337 (643106) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330688)

You see... This is why I support Nvidia with my linux box.
I know Nvidia only releases binary drivers they are doing a good job supporting linux users.

Check out the forums at http://www.nvnews.net [nvnews.net] and see the linux support going on.

Who really cares which card is faster when you cant run it on your linux box? --- slackr

Radeon Mobility performance under DRI is awful. (2, Offtopic)

Netsnipe (112692) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330700)

Section "Device"
Identifier "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon Mobility M6 [LY]"
Driver "radeon"
Option "AGPMode" "4"
Option "AGPFastWrite"
Option "EnablePageFlip"
EndSection
With the above settings under XFree86 4.3.0-0ds4 (Debian), the 16MB SDRAM card on my IBM Thinkpad R40 Celeron R40 + 256MB RAM can pull a maximum of 260 fps in glxgears.

Does anyone else think this is just woeful performance? I haven't been able to get those stupid ATI binary modules to load either, so ATI better get off their arses and give the DRI project a hand or play catch up to Nvidia with their closed Linux driver support. If I can't squeeze anymore performance out of my ATI soon, I'll be voting for Nvidia with my wallet for my next desktop upgrade.

Didn't ATI just win Xbox 2.0 contract? (4, Interesting)

cacheMan (150533) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330702)

Interesting...

The real question is... (3, Funny)

emo boy (586277) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330704)

Will 3dfx's Voodoo2 12MB be able to run Half-Life 2? That's all I'm wondering...

A change for the worse, but not all doomed. (4, Interesting)

alriddoch (197022) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330707)

A search round the driver page reveals that Linux drivers are still available for the FireGL series of pro cards, and as the latest Radeon cards are based on FireGL technology, Radeon 8500 or later are supported by the driver. If you download the latest driver rpm for "FireGL X1, FireGL X1 128MB, FireGL Z1, FireGL 8800, FireGL 8700" then the package description lists "ATI Radeon 8500, 9700, Mobility M9 and the FireGL 8700/8800, E1, Z1/X1" as supported cards. Hopefully ATI will continue to produce updated versions of this driver, with new extensions, support for new versions of glibc and new versions of XFree86. It would be much better if they could list this driver in the standard section so that users would know it was available and supported Radeon cards.

I am using this driver currently with my Radeon 9000 Pro, and have had excellent results.

Not Completely Discontinued (3, Insightful)

YodaToad (164273) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330714)

I used to have a Radeon 9700 pro (until my new motherboard decided it didn't want to work with it... it's a Gigabyte GA-SINXP1394 fyi) and I used it under linux using the ATI drivers. The thing is, with the newer r300 based cards (starting at the 9000 I believe) the interface is so similar to the FireGL cards that under linux you use the FireGL drivers, not some r300 specific drivers. I looked on the ATI site and the FireGL drivers are still available under linux. Sorry, I don't remember which FireGL drivers they were (I haven't used them in awhile), but I'm sure somebody else here knows.

In a related note: Maybe ATI just hasn't had the time to move the linux driver section to the new design? Sure, that would be the wrong thing to do, but nowadays in the "release now, fix later" world it happens all the time. Just don't go bashing ATI until there's official word on the subject.

Fricken SCO (0, Offtopic)

fearlessrogue (632840) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330720)

First IBM and now ATI? No one is safe!

ATI drivers still suck. (4, Insightful)

supabeast! (84658) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330744)

I've given up on ATI because of their crappy drivers. Sure the drivers are no longer the huge bottleneck that they once were, but it's all still a big mess on Windows, and they are real bastards about just being upfront and posting decent Linux drivers for download. Since buying my Radeon 9700 Pro I have had numerous problems trying to run games on it under Windows XP and Mandrake Linux, and at this point, I'd rather just lose some performance and go back to running Nvidia cards with detonators.

Discontinued products (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6330756)

The "Discontinued Products" page has nothing to do with Linux drivers. "Discontinued Products" simply means everything except for the current line-up (Radeon 9800, 9600, and 9100); these are no longer being manufactured, but they are still supported.

The removal of the binary-only Linux drivers (not to be confused with the "radeon" XFree driver) is news to me, though.

mohahaha, Linux sux! (-1, Flamebait)

siyavash (677724) | more than 11 years ago | (#6330764)

Right on ATI! Linux sux, Go ahead, u guys make your own ATI-drivers! You free-riding code-ripper bastards!
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