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CD Duplicator Refuses Linux Job, Citing MS Contract

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the bizarroworld-is-never-far-away dept.

Linux Business 491

Jonathon writes "Seems a Microsoft imposed restraint of trade agreement and concerns about the SCO suit have prevented a New Zealand company duplicating 500 CDs for our upcoming installfest. The installfest was mentioned on /. just days ago."

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The time has to come. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337434)

.

The time has to come. EGBDF. .

Re:The time has to come. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337443)

Looking for 33d

QUESTION FOR ALL YOU SPICS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337436)

My hub has 8 ports. My cat has 8 tits. I use cat-5 to connect my nodes. Would someone care to explain?

Re:QUESTION FOR ALL YOU SPICS (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337564)

I am not a spic, wop or towel head, sir, but I believe the point is that the CAT-5 and the 8 nipple HUB is the closest a geek will come to a pussy.

SP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337437)

SP!

New Zealot Land? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337438)

Well, whatever...

New Zealand is such a stupid place... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337441)

You see stuff like this ALL the time, living here. It's amazing they can figure out how to get out of bed in the morning.

Re:New Zealand is such a stupid place... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337449)

I wonder how they can ever stay in bed, being on the wrong side of the globe.

Re:New Zealand is such a stupid place... (-1, Flamebait)

cowlum1 (685203) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337647)

your a dick

Re:New Zealand is such a stupid place... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337668)

He may be a dick, but you can't spell.

It's:

"You're a dick."

See, the "you're" is a contraction. It combines "You" with "are". "Your" is a possessive pronoun.

Didn't you graduate 3rd grade?

--
A.C.
(Not from Oz but still can't stand stupid grammatical mistakes.)

In New Zealand (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337450)

what's better?

(a) duplicating CDs

(b) sex with a mare

(c) sex with an ewe

Re:In New Zealand (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337500)

Is she a pretty ewe?

Re:In New Zealand (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337515)

the mare might get jealous...

weird.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337451)

why would anyone use linux?

Good point ... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337459)

NIGGER!@#$#@!

Re:weird.. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337461)

52x writers are under $50USD and a 500 pack of cd-rs is probably well under $100, im sure they can get some volunteers to sit and burn all the discs needed.

Re:weird.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337467)

Because it's what the k3wl h4x0rs use.

MOD PARENT UP +5 INSIGHTFUL (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337511)

...

just cause i posted it.

The Installfest (5, Informative)

Zaffle (13798) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337460)

The actual installfest site is here [linux.net.nz] .

As one of the helpers for the installfest, I can say that this is pretty much only going to help our cause. We couldn't ask for better advertising (both the NZ Herald, and Slashdot).

We will be ready, Saturday, with plenty of CDs (we hope).

Re:The Installfest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337512)

HAHAHA, you think slashdotting the site is helpful!?!?

Okay, the site *is* light-weight and can probably handle a mild one. But it always cracks me up when people are all, 'we could use the advertizing' and their site blows up into a thousand little pieces.

Re:Helping the cause (5, Interesting)

Jeffna (600646) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337607)

... I can say that this is pretty much only going to help our cause

I'd say so. I downloaded Knoppix last night after the previous installfest story piqued my interest.

Things to note:

I've used Micosoft software since I started using PCs.
I'd never used any version of Linux before.
I was very impressed with what I saw.

Congratulations guys, you just gained a brand spanking new Linux user.

Not so surprising (4, Interesting)

McAddress (673660) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337462)

Bill Gates did not become the world's most successful business by being dumb. He is doing a very good job using the whole SCO issue to take away people's confidence in Linux. He has done a nice job putting pressure on the CD copying company. He is hoping to make the name "Linux" synonymous with phrases like "infringing copyrights" and "illegal".
He is not stupid, and if Linux does not watch its back, the penguin might get slain, leaving the world without a reliable and secure OS.

Re:Not so surprising (4, Informative)

HillBilly (120575) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337482)

It wouldn't be worth the risk of a big MS contract over 500 cd's anyway, to any cd copying company.

Re:Not so surprising (4, Insightful)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337591)

True, but the very fact that they believe they'd lose that contract for being "disloyal" says a lot about how Microsoft treat their suppliers.

Re:Not so surprising (5, Insightful)

BiggerIsBetter (682164) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337493)

Well, I don't think it'll go down like that. I mean, sure, Software Images didn't get the contract for 500 CDs, but someone else (like Stebbing Recording Ltd?) did and they probably made a buck out of it. I think it is Bill that needs to watch his back, lest the a flock of hungry penguins eat all the herring while he's busy throwing FUD into the media.

Silly little companies like SI need to go out of business. It sounds like they're being MS-NZ's little bitch, and while that's good for the moment (if you like biting the pillow, that is), I don't expect they'll get any OSS business in the future. Is that a big thing? Yes, because that's the direction the market is moving and they've just blown themselves out of that game.

Re:Not so surprising (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337494)

leaving the world without a reliable and secure OS

Uh. It's not as if *BSD is dying or something. ;)

Re:Not so surprising (2, Insightful)

Narcissus (310552) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337507)

Leaving the world without a reliable and secure OS? I think some of the BSD coders would have something to say about that...

Re:Not so surprising (2, Interesting)

quigonn (80360) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337581)

SCO is about to attack BSD, too. Although all SCO claims are totally ungrounded, they know how to spread fear, uncertainty and doubt.

When is the Fall of MicroSoft Scheduled anyway? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337514)

No empire lasts forever, are the masses at the gates of the castle yet?

Re:When is the Fall of MicroSoft Scheduled anyway? (5, Funny)

BiggerIsBetter (682164) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337522)

No empire lasts forever, are the masses at the gates of the castle yet?

No, but the masses have surrounded the castle of Gates!

ahem... (-1, Troll)

zumbojo (615389) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337529)

I've been running NT kernel based Windows versions for years. Say it with me now: sta-ble. And yes, I do use Linux. Just because you are for the open source cause you don't have to pull fallacies out of your ass.

Re:ahem... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337538)

You forgot he also mentioned SECURE.

Yeah, but (0, Offtopic)

iamacat (583406) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337554)

Have you really been running it for years, without a crash in the middle? Years of uptime is commonplace for UNIX servers, with many software and even hardware updates without a reboot. Maybe you should rethink what stable means.

Re:Yeah, but (0, Offtopic)

zumbojo (615389) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337570)

I have never had a damaging crash of any kind actually, even when running some rather buggy and/or demanding applications (Blackbaud and IIS come to mind). The key is to install the patches (just like in Linux), make sure you have f*ckin' rock-solid drivers, and dear jesus use a UPS. Try it - even though it costs money to run (oh, boo hoo $200 bucks...) it works with everything.

Re:Yeah, but (0, Offtopic)

RichiP (18379) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337655)

I have worked for an ISP that serviced individual as well as corporate clients nationwide and we used a combination of Linux servers and Cisco equipment. The servers were rock-solid, with or without patching, I could (and did) administer any of the devices (router or server) via a dialup, any customization we needed we could because we had the source, never had a problem with lock-in, all the software conformed to standards, and nothing could rival the techsupport given by the community. Try it - even though it costs no moent to run (oh, boo hoo $0 bucks...) it works with everything.

Re:Yeah, but (1)

eidechse (472174) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337605)

Are those servers utilizing a gui subsystem? How about some form object/component framework (e.g. CORBA, COM)? Are they some tier in an n-tier scenerio?

Or are we talking about an NNTP, SMTP, <some other fairly simple protocol>? Or perhaps a server dedicated to a single app/purpose that exclusively runs custom code for that purpose?

Years of uptime on a server class OS isn't that interesting if the server is doing something fairly simple.

Re:ahem... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337637)

Yeah, but they discontinued NT, so unfortunately we would have to use that unstable windows 2000, or the infamous windows XP.

i'm sure we'll have a reliable and secure os... (1)

splerdu (187709) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337580)

Laws of a free market economy: some company will be there to fill the demand.

But it wont come cheap.

Re:i'm sure we'll have a reliable and secure os... (1)

eidechse (472174) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337632)

"Free market" also means free from private interference.

I don't recall a whole ton of new phone companies popping up to free customers of having to rent their phones Ma Bell.

How about price fixing?

If too much power acumulates in a single commercial entity or a small number of commerical entities the "free" market can be influenced. In those situations I don't think it's reasonable to conclude that an entrepreneur is going to suddenly show up and restore balance.

Act like you have a pair (5, Funny)

TitanBL (637189) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337464)

Later, he said Microsoft's lawyers' advice was: "It's conjecture. It depends on who, what, when, the technology, and a whole bunch of things and the Herald is not a good place to get into a legal discussion." He went on to explain: Have you ever been pussy whipped by your girfriend? Well, if you have, you would understand our relationship with microsoft.

The company's name (2, Funny)

McAddress (673660) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337470)

The name Yesterday Technology certainly describes the company perfectly, choosing Windows over Linux, that is so 1995.

Re:The company's name (3, Funny)

calyxa (618266) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337484)

but from where I sit, it's 5 hours ago tomorrow in NZ. when the programmers there put together a new build for me to test, I get 'software from the future'!

-calyxa

Re:The company's name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337623)

As opposed to choosing Linux which is so 1975.

Questions about copyrights, or the non-compete? (2, Informative)

Obliterous (466068) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337471)

Either one would be a valid, LEGAL reason for not doing the work, even if it was unhelpful. With the apearant backpeadaling, I'm likely to suspect that someone waffled after hearing about SCO's lawsuit.

It's a private company (5, Insightful)

panurge (573432) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337472)

They can sell to whosoever they like. The situation would presumably be different if they had a monopoly (I say presumably because I don't know about New Zealand law) but that can't be said of CD duplication. It's essential that companies do have the right to refuse orders without giving reasons, because every order taken on involves some degree of commercial risk ranging from nonpayment to public liability. Were this not so, it would make for some interesting scams by dishonest buyers. The best protection for buyers is that salesmen as a breed want to be able to sell to anybody with money, and that provides a certain counterweighting to the caution of the legal and finance departments.

Re:It's a private company (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337539)

It's not a story because 'some company isn't duplicating Linux CDs,' mind you. It's a story because 'some company is allowing MS monopolistic tactics to compromise various business deals, including, but probably not limited to, the Linux OS.'

This is more or less what happens with monopolies. They tell people who do good business with them that they can't do business with their competitors.

Now, I'm not saying that this is right or wrong (monopolies have to do something to stay in business, since they're so big and normal practices stop working), but it's something worth discussing.

Re:It's a private company (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337635)

> This is more or less what happens with monopolies.
> They tell people who do good business with them
> that they can't do business with their
> competitors.
>
Precisely! And that's why the only answer in this case is: Fuck both of them! Use alternatives to Microsoft products and make sure, those alternatives are printed on CD's made by companies *not* encumbered with stifling conditions.

Re:It's a private company (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337561)

They can sell to whosoever they like.

Actually; no. There are usually rules (don't know about New Zealand, but a lot of other countries have them), stating that a company can not discriminate people. I.e. they can not choose not to sell their product(s) to a specific segment of the population based on social status or ethnic background.

I have no idea what kind of laws and regulations you are referring to.

Then again, YLLMV (Your Local Laws May Vary).

yes, but it's very limited (3, Informative)

Trepidity (597) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337613)

One can usually discriminate however one wants, with the exception of certain sorts of discrimination that are prohibited. You can kick someone out of your restaurant because you think they're an ass and personally dislike them, but you can't kick someone out of your restaurant because they're black and you personally dislike black people. In some countries there are exceptions to this for private clubs (e.g. the Masters can prohibit women, and the Boy Scouts can prohibit atheists and homosexuals).

But in any case, this case is completely unrelated to that, as it's about restraint of trade and anti-competitive business practices (if it's about anything at all).

Re:It's a private company (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337642)

> a company can not discriminate people
>
Regardless of whether this is true or not, why would you *want* to do business with a company like this at this point??? The only sensible approach is to take your business to people with a far more positive impact in the world than those espousing an unnatural software monoculture.

Re:It's a private company (1)

TheMidget (512188) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337666)

Regardless of whether this is true or not, why would you *want* to do business with a company like this at this point???

Good point. Maybe because the company did not say "no" upfront, but chose to wait long enough with their refusal that they thought their customer no longer had any other options (because the event was too close).

Didn't work out in this case though, it appears that now the Linuxfest guys are pressing their CDs at Stebbing Recording Studio [stebbing.co.nz] .

Re:It's a private company (1)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337645)

Depending on the jurisdiction they MAY have the right to refuse business without stating a reason, but that doesn't make it moral.

Yes a business should have a right to refuse business, but they do have an obligation to give a reason. Otherwise the customer has no way to even know WHY they are being refused, and that pretty much voids all of those laws forbidding some reasons. If it was because they were unsure the LUG had the right to reproduce the material they should say they need proof of their reproduction rights and/or they sign some sort of indemnification document to protect the duplication shop. If it is because of a contractual obligation with Microsoft they should have to SAY so. If exclusive contracts can remain secret all sort of anti-competitive behaviour is possible with no way to ever prove anything.

Who cares (2, Insightful)

hobsonchoice (680456) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337476)

Great publicity for the event, but apart from that, who cares?

I don't know about NZ, but where I live there (and it ain't silicon valley) there must be a dozen or more businesses in very easy distance which do CD mass duplication. So here's a tip: just ask somebody else.

CD mass duplication (3, Funny)

phalse phace (454635) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337584)

The problem can easily be solved by picking up a few of these CD burners [slashdot.org] . 500 CDs? No problem!

YRO (5, Insightful)

node 3 (115640) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337481)

Since this is under YRO, I figured I'd ask: whose rights are being violated here? (I can't see any rights violations)

This seems more like a story about how evil Microsoft is. And evil they are, which is why I neither purchase nor support their software.

Re:YRO (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337503)

Since this is under YRO, I figured I'd ask: whose rights are being violated here?
The topic is Your Rights Online, not Your Rights Being Violated Online.

The automatic flood of "what does this have to do with my rights?" to all YRO threads is getting just as bad as the flood of "*BSD is Dying" posts to all BSD threads. Give it up.

Re:YRO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337576)

How about the flood of "Your Rights Online" stories are full of whining pussies who wouldn't understand IP and basic law if it jumped up and bit their dick off, but they'll whine about Linux and how Microsoft is keeping them down or something comments? Are those getting tired yet? Well GOOD.

Re:YRO (3, Insightful)

MrLint (519792) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337665)

Sounds kind of like using monopoly power for illegal restraint of trade.

Don't you just love non-compete clauses? (4, Insightful)

speedfreak_5 (546044) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337483)

Looks like they can't do anything for any of Microsoft's competitors ... but would linux itself really qualify as a competitor? I know there are many people who package distributions, but what if it was a non-commercial distro such as slackware they were trying to burn?

And as long as they mentioned SCO, I would love to see them driven into the ground for what they're doing.

Slackware (2, Informative)

A1miras (595087) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337619)

Slackware IS a commercial distro and in fact one of the oldest commercial distros.

However, your point is well taken. Just replace "Slackware" with Debian.

This could be a good thing... (4, Interesting)

evilviper (135110) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337487)

Now you have ample ammo for suing SCO for libel, slander, defamation, etc...

Re:This could be a good thing... (5, Insightful)

Dante_J (226787) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337557)

Now you have ample ammo for suing SCO for libel, slander, defamation, etc...

The trouble is Who will do the suing?

IBM? Redhat? Knoppix??? certainly not Knoppix.

Lets face it, even though this is in NZ, it sets a very nasty precedent internationally.

And although IBM have been playing it cool, as they should, with the rabid SCO flinging mud everywhere the concerning thing is that some of that mud might stick.

Feature for feature, tech for tech and even on usability grounds Linux is beginning to really become a desktop option with mountains more flexibility than Windows - any flavour of windows.

MS have played very very dirty in the past, and it would not surprise me in the slightest if it's their intention to do so again, and this case is testing the waters. Anyone remember Stacker?

However this is a delicate time for Linux in the hearts and minds of the general uninformed masses.

For the criminally insane at SCO to get some of their allegations to stick is a significant blow in Linux Marketing in the short term.

It would help significantly if IBM made an big, loud, international, and official statement about the Damage SCO is doing to their market and reputation, and threaten serious legal action.

A response form IBM like this would strengthen, not damage the reputation of Linux and Open Source software.

Rusty, Tridge, Martin, have you fellows had smoco with some IBM lawyers recently?

Keeping Track of SCO's Victims (4, Interesting)

Schlemphfer (556732) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337488)

Is this specific 500-CD deal a big thing? Of course not. But a few people in New Zealand have been measurably inconvenienced by the FUD [astrian.net] spread by SCO.

I think little by little, SCO's efforts to create FUD may inconvenience substantial numbers of people. It wouldn't be a bad idea for a website to be started, for keeping track of the myriad ways that SCO's threats of copyright infringement liability have caused tangible expense and inconvenience.

It would be a good knowledge base to have, and might come in handy for purposes of a potential class-action suit against SCO, if the company's claims of infringement are found by the courts to be without merit. In any case, this would be one way to give SCO's backers some FUD of their own.

Re:Keeping Track of SCO's Victims (1)

surprise_audit (575743) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337536)

OK, so this is heresy - bear with me...

I think it might be best to do it on a totally-provably licence compliant Windows system. Arrghhh, I can't believe I said that... Never mind. The idea being that SCO can't get it shut down for copyright or IP violations. Or pick some other OS that's absolutely not related to Unix.

Wuss! (4, Interesting)

Nucleon500 (628631) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337495)

The complete and utter spinelessness of every company in existance is getting on my nerves. SCO may be evil, but at least they're doing something. Here we have a company which won't press Knoppix CDs because of either (they won't say which) baseless and and completely unsupported FUD from an insane law firm / software vendor on the other side of the world, or language that may or may not be in a contract they may or may not have with Microsoft, which may or may not be legal. Lawyers have filled every industry with complete, namby-pamby wusses.

Besides, SCO has claimed that every single modern operating system (except Sun, they are quick to point out), is at similar risk. How could a CD company stay in business if they refused to duplicate anything McBride said was his?

Next /. headline in company's future. (4, Funny)

mikeophile (647318) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337496)

Linux Community Refuses to Give Business to CD Duplicator, Citing Questionable Ethics

Linux's image (5, Interesting)

Jarlsberg (643324) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337497)

This is further proof that the SCO debacle is hurting the image of Linux in the marketplace and in the eyes of the consumer. SCO may not have a sound case, but they are causing a lot of confusion about the legality of Linux.

There's also the part of the contract with Microsoft. This company is obviously not going to risc their probably very important economic ties to Microsoft for a mere 500 cd copy job -- no sane business person would -- but yet again we see evidence that the strong arm tactic Microsoft has employed since the DOS days (anyone remember DR DOS?) is still very much a part of their modus operandi.

IP or Microsoft (4, Informative)

den_erpel (140080) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337498)

I do not think that the SCO case made them refuse the job. When I read the article, the SCO case gives them an excuse not to do the CD duplication (of a small number, 500, of CDs).

They lose almost nothing, while they are sucking up to M$, possibly gaining much more with the obfuscated licensing. I assume M$ will gladly pay their losses, considering the press coverage this thing will get.

Re:IP or Microsoft (2, Interesting)

Jarlsberg (643324) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337546)

I do not think that the SCO case made them refuse the job. When I read the article, the SCO case gives them an excuse not to do the CD duplication.
Aren't you contradicting yourself? The SCO case haven't been tested yet and until it is, any action they take based upon the case is precautionary. So while the SCO case in itself can't force them to deny the job, they are denying it because there might the problems down the road. I'm guessing that there won't be, but hey, some people are more uncomfortable with the odds than I am.

Re:IP or Microsoft (1)

Strudelkugel (594414) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337651)


You are probably right - 500 CDs is probably too small of a job, so the company came up with some lame reasons not to do it.

What's more interesting to me, though, is the lack of comment regarding Oracle's hostile takeover attempt of Peoplesoft, which prompted Peoplesoft to file suit. [peoplesoft.com] Note that the US DoJ and a couple of state AGs have become more interested [nytimes.com] in Oracle's tactics as well, and not a mention on /. Some article about 500 CDs gets mentioned and not Oracle? If you are not familiar with the situation, Ellison told the marketplace that after they do the takeover, Peoplesoft will be shut down. He has backpedaled since then.

Such is the tech business.

slashdot crowed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337509)

Lets slashdot them!

The dumb company in question... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337520)

Give them the slashdot treatment! [swimages.co.nz]
hehe

Legality of the issue ? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337525)

I don't know how the law works in New Zealand, but I know for sure that in France (and probably in other countries where Latin right rules), it is illegal to refuse to sell goods or services without reason. In this case, the SCO thing is clearly insignificant... So I very much think that there could be a quick legal decision that would force this CD press to do the job, would the case arise in France.
Did anyone check how things work in NZ ?

I live in NZ (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337643)

I don't know of any such laws. You wouldn't get away with refusing to serve homosexuals etc.

I doubt the courts would actually even care about the issue.

And SCO (3, Informative)

zonix (592337) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337531)

CD duplication company Software Images has refused a request to copy 500 Linux software CDs for a Linux Installfest this Saturday, because of concerns the job would breach a contract with Microsoft and infringe intellectual property rights. [...] When questioned by the Herald on Friday, Software Images chief executive Allan Morton said his company's wariness of Linux was due to legal action between SCO and Linux over intellectual property issues.

This is of course total BS. If MS does somehow have a hand in this, maybe it's time to get SCO out of the way after all. The longer they stay around, even though their case against IBM is close to vapour, the longer MS can trick these companies into believing the FUD - they probably don't know any better, who can blame them?

My $0.02.

z

Slashdot: The END is Nigh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337627)

Slashdot: The END is Nigh

Or was that the Register? Extinction is a natural course. Relax.

Let them know how you feel ... (4, Insightful)

pherris (314792) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337532)

From the article:
Software Images general manager David Hill denied there was a non-compete agreement with Microsoft.

But the existence of a 15-page contract with a non-compete clause was confirmed by Microsoft competitive strategy manager Brett Roberts.

Feel free to email David at david.hill@softwareimages.com [mailto] asking him to clarify his statement. There's also a contacts [swimages.co.nz] page.

His mobile number 021 626 361 (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337551)

It's from the contacts [swimages.co.nz] page so I guess he wants people to call him their.

Dude, posting his cell? Thats cold. (1)

pherris (314792) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337593)

As every GNU/Linux fan on the planet is saying "Can you hear me now?" BTW, in case they take down or change their contacts [swimages.co.nz] page here is Google's cache [216.239.51.100] .

Re:Dude, posting his cell? Thats cold. (1)

srn_test (27835) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337612)

Well, it's not that bad - it's not like he'll be paying to receive the calls...

The last thing Linux needs... (1, Insightful)

5.11Climber (578513) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337656)

is to have a hate email/phone mail campaign against these bozos. It will confirm to Software Images and probably others that they did the right thing in refusing the order.

Re:Let them know how you feel ... (4, Insightful)

NewtonsLaw (409638) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337659)

Oh that's smart (NOT)... encourage the lunatic fringe to send the guy offensive emails so that the stories Microsoft told him about Linux users being a bunch of childish fools gains credibility.

Let's act like grown-ups here and realise that although the company's attitude may be somewhat lacking, they are within their legal right to do what they're doing whether others like it or not.

Remember, they're not the only supplier in town and if they won't do the job, there will be others who will.

Mind you, as has been stated, it's rather nice of them to turn an otherwise unnoteworthy transaction into an item of important news. Sure beats paying for advertising and you've got to admire those who use smart (spam-free) marketing tactics!

A list of possible Home Phone Numbers... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337660)

Give Him a call [whitepages.co.nz]

Our country code is 0064

Enjoy ;)

Knights of Modern Royalty (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337542)

I'm reminded of the English tradition of Knighthood. Where some subject becomes a knight and is granted
dominion over a parcel of land.

Microsoft granted this company so many parcels of foo, so long as they upheld Microsoft's honor. And on a larger scale, Isn't dominion what was promised to the RIAA, Media Cartels, others, in exchange for their "loyalty"?

Maybe I stretch things too far. But it seems the power of the common man has dwindled to nothing outside of a small space that's been allotted. Any attempts to reach beyond this space are met with resistance and punishment.

All these guys wanted to do was duplicate some cd's.
But that activity appears to be outside the domain Microsoft is willing to grant them. How have we gotten into the situation where we must beg persmission to do mundane tasks like this?

Is the large scale duplication of information getting to be a little too risque' for the peons? Gotta keep an eye on stuff like that now?

The box that makes up our collective free will is getting smaller and smaller as each cubic centimeter is parcelled off to the Knights of Modern Royalty.

Now what... (5, Insightful)

floydman (179924) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337544)

every linux supporter is somehow being effected by this SCO/Linux issue. Even YOU as a system admin. or programmer are. I mean i am a linux programmer where i work, and devlopers form the other side(MS dev.) keep on asking, whats up with this SCO thing, so are you planning to go back to Visual c with a wide smile.. . PERIOD..out of subject..

what i wanted to say is, companies like IBM, SUN, Oracle, Redhat, Suse and others are losing money, credability, business, and are instead gaining lots of headache, questions, bla bla bla...

Why the fuck dont they just group, put an end to it. They already spent billions in investments on Linux, espically IBM and Oracle(who supported Linux clustering), if they care for their business and investments, they should act, and FAST, before this thing really grows and starts to actually draw back customers who had linux on their considered solution list, knowing that Linux opened new business grounds for them, and they cant deny it, they owe linux exactly s much as linux owed them...

As George Harrison once said (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337616)

.

All good things must pass. I know, I had some great corn last night and there it was again, almost as fresh-looking as going in the other end.

.

Yeah, so? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337545)

That's what you get for using Linux, ya fuckin' cockslaps.

I need to keep quiet ... (5, Funny)

Alain Williams (2972) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337552)

and not tell my electricity supply company that I use Linux at home, just in case they decide that because some of my neighbours run M$ boxes, that they can't supply me with power any more.

Re:I need to keep quiet ... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337649)

[rant]
This reminds me of my ISP - they only support Windows. If there's a cable fault, then to prove it I have to take my Linux firewall down, power off, shove my Windows 98 caddy into the machine, reboot, and go through fscking winipcfg with them until I can convince the idiot behind the helpdesk that it's their fscking problem
[/rant]

Point being - give someone a Microsoft course and you teach them to be a parrot. Teach them Linux and they may start thinking independantly.
Keep quiet ? Yes I love being patronised by idiots who think I said 'My firewall is knackered' when I said 'My firewall is NATted'
I'll just keep quiet and let parrots take over the world.

boycotts? (5, Interesting)

buro9 (633210) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337617)

i'm usually amazed how seldom people will resort to boycotts.

whilst i would have no doubt that MS are obviously a large part of their business, it is obvious that no business survives with just one good horse in their stable.

with a good enough word-of-mouth campaign it should be possible to inform local businesses and companies of the boycott, inform them of other options, and thus remove a chunk of their potential business.

500 cds may not hurt their purse strings, but 100 x 500 will.

do we forget just how much power we have?

Finally (3, Insightful)

tsa (15680) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337624)

And finally the Linux community realizes that the SCO case is to be taken seriously...

My few cents. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337629)

As a Linux user myself for many years I now see the sideeffects of Open Source myself and started to eye for alternative Operating Systems such as MorphOS (Pegasos), MacOSX, BeOS Zeta and Microsoft Windows. There are various reasons for me to do this.

a) The Open Source community used to be a nice one, the philosophy of it was valued high in the first couple of years but meanwhile the entire situation has changed. Companies are trying to protect their IP, other companies don't work fair with the Open Source company by not backporting their changes in the original sources and so on.

b) The audience changed totally, you need to deal with more and more complaining and ranting people every day. People that are always dis-satisfied regardless what you do. Even I as Programmer need to deal with these people. I spent my time writing the programms, fixing bugs, answering technical emails, pay for the Webspace, offer the software and yet you need to deal with dis-satisfied people all overwhere which leads into demotivation of doing something better.

c) Many people wandered off from Linux and Open Source by using alternative Systems (preferabely MacOSX) thus they have a working, aesthetical, nice, round and standardized desktop environment with all tested tools. They can get their work done and don't care for Linux and it's Open Source that much anymore as they initially did. A lot of people started to work a lot less on Open Source because they don't see the need to do this anymore because they get all the software with better quality offered on their alternative System.

Here an example: A lot of GNOME developer moved away working on MacOSX these days and don't look back, while they still help with various fixes, coding etc. they still do this as funjob, they don't see the need to work as hard to make a good Desktop because they have a Microsoft independant OS (MacOSX) which offers them everything and more than GNOME for example. Of course they also see the points written by me here with all the ranting people, no fair play of companies and the general demotivation.

Face it, we all like to be honoured for our work, we all like to hear 'thank you' from the people outside that we spent our time working our ass off on the tools we offer. But the reality is that we deal more with complaining people rather than people who said 'thank you'. We all like to earn some money with what we do. Look, we sit down the entire day, weeks, months working on the Tool, we pay for Webspace and more and we don't even get the money back for the Webspace we pay once per year.

Open Source is indeed a nice thing but the times has heavily changed, complaining users, demotivation, dirty play with companies, sueing of people who wrote Open Source applications like the freecraft person. A very nice game and now it's not available anymore because he got is ass sued off.

Think about it, is it really worth the trouble ? We should concentrate back to the old roots and try making some bucks with our work, getting the webspace paid, stop the insanity with open source. it's a good idea but the license is only a hype. Like everyone can fork the code and release his own version of the software which only ends in 20 derivates which each of them still doesn't do the work it was aimed for. Not to mention that we all are individual people who work for fame, for money for being someone in the community. You work on the software because you love it because you never think about someone comming up forking it and then one day you see a derivate of your work floating around in the community and you get heavily pissed off and stop working on it and feel disappointed and have thoughts in your head saying 'what did i do wrong, why did this person fork my software' and so on. Please don't understand me wrong, think back the time when emacs got forked to xemacs. Or think back when KDE Desktop got heavily trashed by RedHat. You are itching at the egos of people with this. It's really better to start thinking about new and better ways and search for an alternative work on an alternative System.

If linux geeks were more like Los Angelians (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337630)

This place would be nothing more than a structure fire. Comeone people. Don't take this crap. Burn the mofo - or at least loot yourself one of those disc pressing machines.

Re:If linux geeks were more like Los Angelians (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337639)

Man I don't know if you're actually from LA or not, but don't screw around. I actually deliver pizzas in south central Los Angeles. Two people have been killed within the past 2 weeks within my delivery area (arlington to S. Central).

Bet its the same trick they used with ATI (2, Interesting)

marcushnk (90744) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337650)

After ATI win a MS contract for the next Xbox, they now don't support linux drivers.. whats the bet its the same sort of contract.

utter bastards.

Microsoft never told them to not to do this! (4, Interesting)

hng_rval (631871) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337658)

From the article:

Roberts said the contract with Software Images did not contain anything that prevented Software Images working with the Open Source Society or pressing Linux CDs "or anything like that".

He said Software Images made their decision before talking to Microsoft "for their own reasons".

"It's very much a Coke/Pepsi situation. If you are an ad agency dealing with Pepsi you don't pick up business with Coke."

When the Herald pointed out that Open Source software was a competitor to Microsoft, Roberts said: "I guess so, but the NZ Open Source Society isn't."

[OT] A Coke and Pepsi situation? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6337676)

"It's very much a Coke/Pepsi situation. If you are an ad agency dealing with Pepsi you don't pick up business with Coke."

Um... I work for an ad agency, and our company deals with both of the above mentioned companies. We work around the possible problems by having different teams work with the individual companies. (I think this is semi-public knowledge, but I'm posting AC anyhow, to be on the safe side.)

That said, the deal with Software Images is just a hiccup, lost business for them. I'm sure there is a long list of other companies that will duplicate for them without any trouble at all. Move on, nothing to see here.

Reliabile Duplication Services (5, Interesting)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337678)

That's right, New Zealand businesses! Software Images has helped you make a decission towards reliable outsourcing for your data duplication needs. If you need an outfit who can be trusted to handle your order, even important rush orders, Software Solutions is not your provider.

Data duplication is an important last step to any project that requires physical media for distribution. You need to know that your order is accepted and being handled and processed quickly, efficiently, and reliably. At Software Images, your data duplication order may be green-flagged by their expert account managers... only to be refused at a later date.

Your order may be refused because, on a "case by case basis", the data in question might be considered in competition with Microsoft. And as Microsoft continues to reach in to new sectors and attach new niches... who's to say if one is in direct competition or not? But you'll find out. After your order has been rejected and you are forced to scramble for another outsource provider.

Your order may also be refused if an industry competitor makes unfounded alligations as to owner of the intellectual property contained in your duplication order. No need to wait for a court ruling. No need for proof of a currently valid license. Your important job will be rejected, leaving your business high and dry.

In this tough economy, every business needs reliable outsource providers. They need to know that services will be there for that important job or rush order.

With Software Images, you won't know.

Software Images. They're not there for you. They're there for their major account - Microsoft.

Why not break into the RIAA storehouse? (4, Funny)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337680)

With all those 436x burners that they've had seized, the Linux guys could have 500 cds in the blink of an eye!

An eye punctured with shards of flying CD, of course. Hillary can oversee the whole operation! But only for a minute...AHHH!

>;C MY EYES!

Installfest is for the past (1)

justsomebody (525308) | more than 11 years ago | (#6337682)

It would seem it's time to start with CDCopyFest
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