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Star Wars - KOTOR Combats Sith

simoniker posted more than 11 years ago | from the bioware-trains-young-paduan dept.

PC Games (Games) 20

Thanks to an anonymous reader for pointing to the IGN Xbox preview of Bioware's Star Wars: Knights Of The Old Republic, the Xbox RPG that's now a couple of weeks away from release (and has a PC version shipping in October.) The article suggests that "..serious pen-and-paper role playing fans will appreciate all of the stat-heavy terminology deep within the game's menu system but run-of-the-mill Star Wars fans will still get a kick out of all of the Greedos, wookies and laser blasts going on", and according to another preview at GamePro, this title from the renowned PC RPG creators has a "..battle system [which] is perhaps KOTOR's most singular achievement - it looks like it belongs in an action RPG, but it's actually turn-based and not far removed from the Baldur's Gate fight engine."

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Knights of the Old Republic (1)

Matrix272 (581458) | more than 11 years ago | (#6349495)

I've been waiting for this game for months. It looks like a Star Wars version of Neverwinter Nights, which was awesome. The only thing I don't like is how the PC version is going to be another 4 month-long wait.

Has anybody played it on the XBox? Any reviews available?

Re:Knights of the Old Republic (5, Interesting)

Drakin (415182) | more than 11 years ago | (#6350216)

It looks close to a SW version of NWN... although, there's a few big differences.

1) You can play as only human.
2) Limited classes. Soldier, scout and scoundrel to start, with Jedi classes opening up later in game.
3) No multiplayer!

and you know what? These issues likely have the existance of SWG to blame.

Hmm... surprised nobody made a SW mod for NWN yet...

Re:Knights of the Old Republic (1)

idvah (680099) | more than 11 years ago | (#6354431)

well... considering number one, you can only play as a human at first, after that you can be almost anything, including a wookie! Once you've added that person/creature to your team. The classes aren't that limiting, you can change it as you go. Multiplayer is not there, but room for expansion is.

Re:Knights of the Old Republic (1)

Drakin (415182) | more than 11 years ago | (#6359098)

Yeah, you can be them... by having them in your party... that's a differnt creature entirely than being able to customise your character fully.

Only 3 of the classes are implimented, out of the 6 non Jedi ones (I include Force Adept in the non Jedi listings).Having the Noble, fringer and force adept classes could open up the game a lot more, giving more ways to solve a puzzle.

Oh I'm still going ot get the game. I just wish it were done differntly.

Wait for the PC version... (2, Informative)

LordYUK (552359) | more than 11 years ago | (#6349569)

The PC version was pushed back because of SWG from what I remember... but it will have an additional planet, and probably some extra quests or something revolving around said planet.

Also, it will be more like BG than NWN, as the NWN campaign quite frankly stunk. Note, I think that the appeal of NWN is for the toolset, not the boxed campaign.

Re:Wait for the PC version... (1)

Iscariot_ (166362) | more than 11 years ago | (#6354775)

I think the Xbox version will get that 'extra planet' per xbox live. Such has been suggested, but not confirmed.

Older RPGs (2, Insightful)

Gr33nNight (679837) | more than 11 years ago | (#6349877)

Am I the only one who wishes Bioware would make more RPGs in the vein of Baldurs Gate, Icewind Dale and Planescape: Torment? Those were excellent games, and took forever to get through. Im very disappointed in these new 3D RPGs, that are a whole lot of flash, but (to me) not very fun.

Re:Older RPGs (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6350415)

Or even Black Isle [] . Planescape: Torment and Icewind Dale were not developed by Bioware. Look out for Lionheart in the future, that could give you what you are looking for.

Re:Older RPGs (1)

Gr33nNight (679837) | more than 11 years ago | (#6352668)

Ah yes, you are correct. Black Isle owns me and my checkbook. Having played and beaten Baldurs Gate I and II and all the expansions, IceWind Dale I and II (and expansions) and Torment, I think its safe to say they own my life too

FALLOUT 3! (1)

Chris Pimlott (16212) | more than 11 years ago | (#6355562)

I wish...

You're not alone. (1)

LiberalApplication (570878) | more than 11 years ago | (#6353379)

Not by far. I love the amount of detail that goes into prerendered settings, and I often feel that 3d does not offer many benefits to RPGs. Flexible viewpoints and zooming and scaling don't seem to benefit immersion into a fantasy world as much as lovingly placed pixels do.

Whether or not I can walk up to a bookshelf, zoom in on a book, or pick it up and throw it won't make much of a difference to me if it looks just like every other book on every other identical bookshelf.

It's the intentional omission of certain details for the sake of tailoring a very particular impression that really makes me happy. Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale, PlanetScape: Torment, and Fallout (despite Fallout's tiling) all had very carefully and very thoroughly fleshed out worlds, with unique dialogues, unique personalities, and more than enough details to make for a real adventure.

It seems to me that most 3d RPGs aren't really RPGs. You're not playing any role any differently than you would in an action game. The pacing may be slower and the numbers behind the rules of the game-world may be revealed to you in the form of stats and skills, but if you're not crafting a role, a person for a place within a world that reacts convincingly to it, I don't think it's really an RPG.

Ugh.. (2, Insightful)

CashCarSTAR (548853) | more than 11 years ago | (#6350122)

Baldur's Gate style fighting

Count me out. That was the ugliest mess I've seen in a long time.

Give me the old Gold-Box combat. That is still wicked fun.

It's Rodians, doof! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6350178)

Greedos? GREEDOS?! *Ahem* The correct term is Rodians. Greedo was the proper name of one particular Rodian who did not, incidentally, shoot first.

Re:It's Rodians, doof! (2, Informative)

paulcammish (542971) | more than 11 years ago | (#6350443)

Two geek points to that man.

One for correcting the Rodian thing, and the other for insisting that he didnt shoot first!

Oh, and one for me for being about to post the whole Rodian thing myself.

Re:It's Rodians, doof! (1)

Crockerboy (611431) | more than 11 years ago | (#6351463)

showing my lack of geekness here, but what is this whole did or didn't shoot first thing referring too?

Re:It's Rodians, doof! (1)

MojoMonkey (444942) | more than 11 years ago | (#6351629)

Refers to the scene in the cantina.

In the Original Star Wars Han Solo shoots Greedo through the table.

In the Special Edition Greedo shoots first, misses and then Han shoots him through the table.

Re:It's Rodians, doof! (1)

ruprechtjones (545762) | more than 11 years ago | (#6355763)

Not to mention that Greedo's shot is waaaaay off to the side, the miss is missed by 2 meters. oof. At least line up the special effects with the axis of the plastic gun. thank you, I'm off to get a life now.

Star Wars and Stupidity (1)

Schezar (249629) | more than 11 years ago | (#6351637)

In the Cantina scene in Star Wars (ep IV), Greedo and Han Solo (Harrison Ford) were discussing a debt owed by the latter to Jabba the Hutt. While Greedo was talking, Han shot him under the table, killing him, to avoid paying the debt (among other things). Han Solo was a criminal and a murderer, and part of the movie was his character development from that to the noble, albeit scruffy-looking, Han we knew and loved by the end.

When Lucas "remastered" Star Wars into the super-besto modern version, he added an extra blaster-shot, making it look as though Greedo had shot first and Han was simply defending himself. Murder, after all, isn't politically correct.

Fuck you, George. I'm sure Obi-wan and Darth Vadar had one hell of a walkie-talkie fight.

Re:It's Rodians, doof! (0)

Islington_66_81 (677106) | more than 11 years ago | (#6394908)

ok your all a bunch of idiots and im sick of hearing about this greedo shot first in the new version crap. The second laser blast is a ricochet off the back wall after the blast went through greedos body. You dont hear the sound of the blast untill after you see the second shot (which i think cause this confusion) because light moves faster than sound. So han shot first in the original and han shot first in the remastered version. Now stop talking about it

This isn't our first 3D title (5, Informative)

DaveCBio (659840) | more than 11 years ago | (#6351503)

That was MDK2. Neverwinter Nights was also fully 3D, but from an isometric POV.
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