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MMORPG Subscriptions Taxed In Europe

simoniker posted more than 11 years ago | from the government-gets-orcslaying-money dept.

Role Playing (Games) 30

Thanks to GameSpot for posting an article noting that MMORPG subscriptions from players in many European countries now have 17.5 percent VAT added, implementing "an European union directive on sales of electronically delivered goods and services" which became effective on the 1st July, and was something we mentioned a few weeks back. The specific reminder came as a "..news item on Sony Online's official sites for EverQuest, PlanetSide, and Star Wars Galaxies", and it'll be interesting to see how forcefully other MMORPGs will enforce this rule.

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Who cares? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6352886)

MMORPGs are for dweebs without social skills. Turn off the computer & go outside -- your skin's gone all translucent.

Re:Who cares? (0, Flamebait)

DevinZork (685359) | more than 11 years ago | (#6352976)

People who insult those who enjoy MMORPG's are anti-socials with an itchy trigger fingure! They should be banned from society, forced to play RPG's all day long!

Re:Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6353587)

dork, i hear your mommy callin'

Re:Who cares?...said the Anonymous Coward. (1)

Zhenya (537266) | more than 11 years ago | (#6371955)

Your words, not mine.

Taxation of more than just MMORPGs (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6352888)

Those of us who post first don't need your kind of attitude harshing our collective buzz. Off with your heads.

Re:Taxation of more than just MMORPGs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6352909)

You lose... u sux0r.

Your first post --- DENIED.

Fuck! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6352998)

Fuckin' fuck fuckity fuck shit!

Mods, please don't mod me down: I have tourette's syndrome so this isn't my fucking fault!

Fuck!

This would make sense if... (4, Funny)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 11 years ago | (#6353010)

This would make sense if the taxes were going to necessary infrastructure, like dungeon maintenance, armor for the knights who police the place, sewage, dragon-polish, and the like.

Re:This would make sense if... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6354472)

Remember, this is Europe we are talking about... they definitely have a lot of sewage, dungeon and infrastructure issues that need money to be fixed ;)

Other activities (2, Funny)

Gr33nNight (679837) | more than 11 years ago | (#6353056)

Soon it will be cheaper just to get laid and do drugs all day. Sweet sweet drugs....

so'k I claim mine back (0)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 11 years ago | (#6353074)

My EQ subscription goes through on my business credit card so I'll be claiming back the VAT for that one.

Luckily for me, my customers will be paying it for me.

Thanks

Re:so'k I claim mine back (0)

laserlights2000 (661582) | more than 11 years ago | (#6353342)

one hell of a business expense if you ask me

Whew! (0, Troll)

Dr. Bent (533421) | more than 11 years ago | (#6353100)

Thank God I live in the U.S. where the tax laws are marginally less unfair [irs.gov] and opressive [cato.org] .

Progressive tax policy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6353152)

Americans are way way overtaxes. The only really progressive tax policy is one in which taxes are reduced.

Re:Whew! (1)

BigBadDude (683684) | more than 11 years ago | (#6353274)


yeah, but our taxmoney goes to usefull stuff!

for example, we pay large amounts of money to some nazi clown so he can humiliate a german EPM named Martin Schulz.

Re:Whew! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6353445)

Fair?

As Americans, we get very little value back from our taxes. Oil pipelines, corporate welfare, large companies.

When taxes go back to poor people, it's called socalism, when taxes go back to rich people it's called capitalism.

Re:Whew! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6353765)

So leave the fucking country you worthless red diaper baby. If you think communism is so much better, go live in it. If you think the only thing American tax money goes to is big corporations and that the average individual doesn't benefit from tax collection - piss off and get out. Go live in Sweden already. It's so much better there, right?

I hate people that piss and moan about how County X is so much better but don't fucking do anything about it. Get the fuck out douchebag!

Its just a matter of time... (1, Funny)

BigBadDude (683684) | more than 11 years ago | (#6353290)

before EU taxes slashdot,

after all, ./ is _the_ MMORPG.

Re:Its just a matter of time... (1, Funny)

Niles_Stonne (105949) | more than 11 years ago | (#6353679)

Watch out, or I'll poke you with my +2 flame!

O'Reilly's Safari hit too... (1)

cymen (8178) | more than 11 years ago | (#6353398)

Looks like [oreillynet.com] O'Reilly has to charge VAT on Safari for the Europeans. Sucks to be...

Why should MMORPG's be exempt? (3, Insightful)

stefanlasiewski (63134) | more than 11 years ago | (#6353422)

Many Europeans pay VAT on things like Soda, clothing, cars, etc.

Why should MMORPGs be exempt?

If you want to get rid of the VAT, that's one thing, but why should MMORPGs be favored over non-MMORPGs?

Vice Grips (1)

August_zero (654282) | more than 11 years ago | (#6355226)

Vice Taxes, you know em, you love em, it's why you pay more for smokes and liquor. "Tax the bad things so we can provide the good things" That's the battle cry of many a U.S. senator. Not only do you discourage people from doing the "bad thing" but those that still do are penalized in a manner that is positive for society.

So how about an EverQuest tax?

We can use the money to provide (f)un-employment benefits to addicts, social services to their estranged families and friends, and rehabilitation. It's a win-win scenario people!

All this shows is how much of a rip off SOE is. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6358065)

If you were playing a MMORPG from europe then these taxes would already be in there (and cheaper).

The tax only relates to companies outside the EU who up until now were using the system to bypass paying taxes and screwing the companies who are in the EU.

The fact that SOE is drawing attention to the fact isn't because the EU is evil, but that SOE are charging a silly price for the service.

Take Neocron [neocron.com] for example. A german game which is a heck of a lot cheaper then SW:G, and had (unfortunetly) a similar launch to SW:G except they had 4 full time developers and a small budget and Lucas had millions behind them.

You would expect better quality for the cash.

SOE could lower that online price by having a company within the EU handle the EU bills (pick the EU country with the lowest tax bracket).

Re:All this shows is how much of a rip off SOE is. (1)

Lurch Kimded (582588) | more than 11 years ago | (#6358449)

Take Neocron for example. A german game which is a heck of a lot cheaper then SW:G, and had (unfortunetly) a similar launch to SW:G except they had 4 full time developers and a small budget and Lucas had millions behind them.

I just hope that Lucas get better content and faster than Neocron it suffers abit from lack of stuff, worse thing is I really like Neocron.

I have to agree though it is cheaper than most MMOPRG's I have seen I think its about £30 I pay for 3 months (actually must check that!).

Re:All this shows is how much of a rip off SOE is. (1)

Winterblink (575267) | more than 11 years ago | (#6359159)

Neocron is definitely a very underrated MMORPG. It's not perfect (show me a MMORPG that is...) but for the price it's a metric fuckton of fun. The setting alone was unique, being a cyberpunk MMORFPRPG, and very well designed. Some balancing issues between classes, loot issues, but that's all standard fare for all these types of games. Dark Age of Camelot's my definite favorite, but Neocron's definitely second on my list.

ugh.. (1)

Suppafly (179830) | more than 11 years ago | (#6359106)

Its all fine and good for the EU to expect companies in the EU to collect VAT for stuff, but expecting American and other non-EU countries to collect taxes for them is ignorant. A few companies need to tell the EU to buzz off.. I seriously doubt they could extradite for such a thing.

This is shameful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6359200)

I can't believe this...They are starting to charge VAT on the subscription? I mean, when you buy the software in the first place, you pay VAT. Fine, agree with that, but to charge VAT on content delivery (in effect paying VAT TWICE) is just plain wrong.

Take 2 people, for instance, they both choose a game from a shelf in a shop. Both products are 29.99, including TAX. No, they get home and want to play said new game. One bought Planetscape, the other Red Faction II. However, while one can play with no more TAX to pay, the other cannot. He has to pay MORE TAX. This is VAT and therefore assumes that there is more VALUE attatched to an online game than one that is not. WTF! I don't agree with this, but then again, what can the little man do about anything these days...

Karem

Add to the list (1)

Notright (655797) | more than 11 years ago | (#6361140)

Anarchy Online.. just added the VAT as well.

You know what they say.... (0)

N10sb2002 (678259) | more than 11 years ago | (#6362753)

History is doomed to repeat itself.

Important thing missing (1)

Snaller (147050) | more than 11 years ago | (#6363280)

Their inept message says "these changes require that digital services be taxed at the point of consumption i.e. in your country of residence. " - what the hell does that mean? So if you live in the UK, you are supposed to pay to them? How will they know? Will Verant have to send lists to all EU countries every month telling them which people are subscribing to their services??
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