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Linus Says Pre-2.6 is Coming

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the release-early-release-often-ha-ha-ha-ha dept.

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gomoX writes "As seen on C|Net , Linus has announced that the pre-2.6 series will be starting in early July. Despite not having been able to meet the release goal for 2.6 in June 2003, the next stable version is not as far away as you may think. You can take your guess based on the fact there was a 9 month period between first test version of 2.4 and the official release of 2.4.0 on January 2001."

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fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368562)

me>u

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368566)

5th Post!

Schweeeeeeeeet (-1, Funny)

risk-dev (246265) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368569)

'Nuff said.

Oh really? (0, Insightful)

Dead_Smiley (49033) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368570)

"You can take your guess based on the fact there was a 9 month period between first test version of 2.4 and the official release of 2.4.0 on January 2001."

No you can't. Linus has always maintained that a kernel will be released "when it's done". Why would he change now?

Re:Oh really? (1, Funny)

stud9920 (236753) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368631)

Linus has always maintained that a kernel will be released "when it's done".
(Insert Duke Forever joke)

Re:Oh really? (-1, Flamebait)

JebusIsLord (566856) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368668)

Dude, he said "guess". He didn't say "you can assume it will be out in exactly 9 months".

Looking for a fight or something? This is NOT Insightful you lazy mods.

Re:Oh really? (1)

anshil (302405) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368688)

Well do you know what statics and approxomations are?

Without knowing the detail of a black box system, you can predict future behaviour of the system due to past observations. Of course not certainly, but likely.

IMHO also: thats not insightful!

Lighten up, Francis.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368718)

Jesus. The guy offers some historical perspective and you gotta be all surly... Deep breaths, man.

Re:Oh really? (3, Insightful)

blixel (158224) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368725)

"You can take your guess based on ....

No you can't. Linus has always maintained that a kernel will be released "when it's done". Why would he change now?


Dude - do you what the word guess means?

guess - a. To predict (a result or an event) without sufficient information. b. To assume, presume, or assert (a fact) without sufficient information.

I also agree - NOT insightful.

Re:Oh really? (1)

Berzelius (558040) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368794)

I bet you have never heard of an "estimated guess" then?

Important message to all Zealots (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368571)

Your lampshade has been hax0red" [osnews.com] (remember to check the moderated down comments too).

I'm posting this on top of 2.5.74 (4, Informative)

Genyin (415163) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368580)

In fact, 2.5 isn't that bad right now... certainly, it would be crazy to use it on a production system unless you really know what you're doing[1], but it's quite usable, and the scheduling has really improved.

[1] in which case you probably wouldn't use it on said production system... ;)

Oh yeah? Well, I'm on 2.5.75, buddy! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368697)

Kernel is as stable as the rocky mountains. Been compiling Mozilla non-stop in gcc for the last 3 hours with no problems.

Re:Oh yeah? Well, I'm on 2.5.75, buddy! (2, Informative)

Alan (347) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368738)

I played around a bit with .71-.73, but the big thing that got me was that my mouse speed in gnome was sped up by about 10x over 2.4. I had to set the accel down to the lowest setting in gnome to make it usable, compared to about the 25-50% setting with 2.4. Of course, there is no similar setting for GDM.

I'm guessing this is due to the new keyboard/mouse modules, but who knows. Hopefully this is one of the things that will get shaken out when 2.5 and 2.6 become more mainstream and the KDE/GNOME folks set things up to work nicer with the devel kernels.

Easy integration of new versions? (2, Interesting)

Jonah Hex (651948) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368581)

So what's the easiest way to use new versions, use something like Gentoo or Linux From Scratch? Jonah Hex

probably, yeah. (4, Informative)

pb (1020) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368600)

Even the regular Gentoo kernel has a lot of extra patches in it [purdue.edu] , including the O(1) Scheduler, and Low-latency scheduling; works great for me.

Re:probably, yeah. (1)

xenocide2 (231786) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368673)

Wasnt Ingo's scheduler integrated into 2.5?

Re:Easy integration of new versions? (1)

Drakonian (518722) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368658)

Good question. I think it should be fairly easy to do on Debian with the kernel package making utility. Anyone agree/disagree?

Re:Easy integration of new versions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368674)

Any distro can use new kernel versions...duh.

Re:Easy integration of new versions? (1)

N8w8 (557943) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368720)

I use 2.5.74 on Debian woody. The only thing I had to install in userspace was module-init-tools, for the new kernel module system. Apart from that I had no "big" problems with migrating to 2.5.

Finally! (1, Funny)

Stephen Samuel (106962) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368591)

A good escuse to crash my computer!.

(of course, a beta version of Linux is probably more stable than a release version of Windows, but I can actually do something with Linux if/when it blows up in my face.)

Re:Finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368613)

The correct spelling of the word is "excuse," Mr. Samuel.

stability (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368807)

(of course, a beta version of Linux is probably more stable than a release version of Windows

I'm posting this anonymously because I'd be ashamed to have my name tied to defending Windows. Your comment is definitely true for versions of Windows up through ME. But I've been running XP on a Sony Vaio for the past fourteen months, and I have never had to reboot. In fact, I don't even know if XP has a blue screen of death, cuz if it does I've sure never seen it. Despite its thousand liabilities and the fact that Windows helps fund a scummy corporation, I don't think that XP can be criticized for instability.

hmm (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368594)

Why is anyone using Linux when OS X 10.3 is coming out soon?

Re:hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368598)

Because OS X doesn't run on my PC.

Re:hmm (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368603)

a) Most people don't like getting it up the ass from other mac fags.
b) Most people like mice with button*s*
c) Need I say more [osnews.com]
d) You are a faggot

Re:hmm (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368604)

Because OS X is for fags.

Re:hmm (0, Offtopic)

usotsuki (530037) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368711)

I don't think an OS X release equates to a Darwin release, and OS X of course doesn't run on Intel hardware.

"You, sir, are an asshat." - Unknown slashbot

-uso.

You sir, have been trolled (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368733)

Suck it down!
yeah
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suck
suck
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Re:You sir, have been trolled (0, Offtopic)

usotsuki (530037) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368740)

I know I have been trolled, hence the quote. YFI

-uso.

What have I got to look forward to? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368599)

So what hot new features can we expect from the new 2.6 Kernel

Re:What have I got to look forward to? (5, Informative)

bethane (686358) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368606)

Being a LKML lurker, here are a few of the new features.

In-kernel Module Loader and Unified parameter support: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/rust y/patches/Module/

Nanosecond Time Patch: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0210 .3/0793.html

Fbdev Rewrite: http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0111 .3/1267.html

Linux Trace Trollkit (LTT): http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0204 .1/0832.html

statfs64: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=103 610918825614&w=2

POSIX Timer API: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=103 553654329827&w=2

Shared Pagetable support: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=103 498293902006&w=2

Hotplug CPU Removal Support and Kernel Probes

Re:What have I got to look forward to? (5, Funny)

mhesseltine (541806) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368642)

Linux Trace
Trollkit (LTT): http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0204 .1/0832.html

I know it's a typo, but that would make slashdot much more interesting, wouldn't it?

Should I get excited over any of these features? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368648)

Mod me down as troll if you like, but none of these sounds like anything I should have been waiting for.

Re:Should I get excited over any of these features (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368667)

hotpluggable CPU sounds a hoot! I've always wanted to try that.

Re:Should I get excited over any of these features (2, Interesting)

Elm Tree (17570) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368681)

Me neither, but the new scheduler is nice, POSIX ACLs look sweet and ALSA included in the main kernel release, and the cryptoapi. Plus all the incremental upgrades to drivers etc.

Re:Should I get excited over any of these features (4, Informative)

xenocide2 (231786) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368736)

Well, the nanosecond patch is critical for make on fast computers, since it uses filesystem timestamps. If you're running gentoo on a brand new desktop it might be a good idea.

The fbdev patch reduces the size of the framebuffer, so if you like framebuffered consoles, it will reduce your kernel size.

If you have multiple processors, the Shared page table patch will help reduce page table sizes, and thereby improve performance, marginally. More RAM = more file cache / less disk paging; shared data -> higher cache coherency = faster kernel performance in memory mapping.

Additionally there seems to have been some mucking around with tweaking the adaptive scheduler so X gets more time when it needs it. The performance metrics have been kind of squishy, but the general consensus is that X and related 'interactive' processes are more responsive.

Re:What have I got to look forward to? (5, Informative)

anshil (302405) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368676)

I think for me most important the ALSA sound system is finally part of the linus kernel. Meaning you do not need to patch the kernel anymore to get recent sound support.

Re:What have I got to look forward to? (3, Informative)

alienw (585907) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368742)

You never had to patch the Linux kernel to get ALSA. It could easily be compiled separately.

Re: more salient features (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368754)

Don't forget merger of larger projects into the kernel, namely:

CryptoAPI
IPsec
ALSA
XFS

No more patching the kernel/building module packages for those features!

Also, improved latency with (O)1 Scheduler and other I/O performance tweaks will be native to the kernel.

Re:What have I got to look forward to? (5, Funny)

gotem (678274) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368647)

more lines of code from SCO

Re:What have I got to look forward to? (0)

Graspee_Leemoor (302316) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368679)

" So what hot new features can we expect from the new 2.6 Kernel"

100% accurate spam detection in the kernel

altered tcp stack so pr0n downloads 50% faster

DMCA violation built into kernel, just in case you have doubts about whether to be a proper "penguin guerilla" (!) or not

viruses are introduced, making linux more like Windows /. auto fr0sty pister built into tcp stack

xvid playback IN THE KERNEL, works on all gfx cards ever produced and all that will every be made

graspee

Long Live Linux (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368608)

I truly believe the time for linux has come. It has always been stable and powerful (as all you slashdotters already know), but now it is really as easy to use as Windows....I tried Mandrake 7.2 but gave up after 1 month for various reasons. Now I have Mandrake 9.1, and I was very pleasantly surprised how polished it was... and easy to use! It is now my primary OS at home. MS, eat your heart out!

Re:Long Live Linux (1)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368671)

I didn't know the kernel had a GUI built in?

2.5.x (4, Informative)

bazik (672335) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368611)

I am using a rock solid 2.5.70 since its released and its performs just great! And having Morton and Torvalds at OSDL is a good thing (tm) :)

Re:2.5.x (1)

Elm Tree (17570) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368649)

I'll second that.
It's more stable than some of the 2.4's I've used.

Re:2.5.x (1)

yermama (516238) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368694)

Same here. ROCK SOLID 2.5.72. I haven't had any glitches since 2.5.39. :) The performance boost over 2.4 is quite noticable too.

Re:2.5.x (0, Offtopic)

anshil (302405) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368704)

Moderators can be soo stupid thats not offtopic!

Re:2.5.x (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368708)

It's rather hard to consider anything as new as 2.5.70 as "rock solid". It hasn't been out enough to really be considered stable.

What has happened to Slashdot? (-1, Flamebait)

Pave Low (566880) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368614)

I saw this story two days ago, [com.com] and the preimminent Linux news site doesn't post this story until 2 days later, on the slowest newest day of the summer??

Wow...you guys are really off the ball nowadays. Used to be this is the stuff the editors concentrated on, now we get massive amounts of anti-microsoft, government-is-out-to-get-you stories.

Sad.

Re:What has happened to Slashdot? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368657)

Microsoft deserves to be raked over the coals, and the government IS out to get you.
That doesn't mean that the editors aren't lazy and slower than sloths, though.

Re:What has happened to Slashdot? (2, Funny)

archen (447353) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368663)

What they don't get in timeliness they make up for in volume (dupes).

Re:What has happened to Slashdot? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368701)

You know what's even more sad?

There's NO SUCH WORD AS PREIMMINENT. I wrote that in lettering that you'd be most likely to understand, by the way.

Here's the definition of "imminent:"

About to occur; impending: in imminent danger.

Now..what is preimminent, exactly? Before it's about to occur? Just slightly behind when it..almost happens? And how can -any- site be a "preimminent" Linux news site? Do you expect Slashdot to post news that's just about to possibly happen?

Maybe you should go back to sniffing glue and crapflooding. Seems to be what you invalids do best.

Ridiculous (2, Funny)

stud9920 (236753) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368615)

Your "Overt Sauce" model is clearly breaked ! Windows has been way beyond 2.6 (3.1 to be exact) since what ? 11 years ?

Re:Ridiculous (0, Offtopic)

anshil (302405) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368656)

Too bad "-1 not funny" does not exist ;)

Hell, Windows is already past version 2000! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368732)

It's so good that they skipped version 4-94 and went straight to version 95! Then another major leap. They skipped with version 96-1999 and went on to version 2000! Whew, you won't see Linus doing that!

Re:Hell, Windows is already past version 2000! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368792)

Hey moron they are named after the years where they were released. Any self respecting computer user knows that, unless they are too busy with their head up Linus's ass.

Microsoft leads the way with SP4 for Windows 2000! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368621)

I applaud Linus' resilience in attempting to improve the kernel component of his application. But surely he must realize that the folks at Redmond have been able to fine-tune their award-winning operating system by releasing the much-touted Service Pack 4.

There are good days ahead of all us, unless we decide to await the uncertain release of kernel 2.6.

What do you think?

Re:Microsoft leads the way with SP4 for Windows 20 (1)

Kegetys (659066) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368636)

SP4 does nothing else but fix bugs. Kernel 2.6 adds quite alot of new features so its not really that much of a valid comparsion.

Re:Microsoft leads the way with SP4 for Windows 20 (5, Informative)

be-fan (61476) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368691)

The Windows kernel hasn't changed significantly since the NT4 -> Win2K change. The biggest improvement in the XP kernel was pre-faulting the pages of large processes. Meanwhile, in 2.6, the block I/O layer, VM layer, scheduler, and sound system are brand new. And the whole kernel was made preemptible! Shortly after 2.6, ReiserFS 4 (which looks very promising from initial benchmarks) will be released. In all, 2.4 -> 2.6 will be like NT4 -> XP!

PS> Before anyone bitches about rewrites being a bad thing, look at things this way. Such extensive changes are necessary for the continually growing range of systems Linux is expected to run on. 2.0 and 2.2 were greatfor single CPU servers, or SMP machines with only a few processors. 2.4 is very usable for heavy-duty machines with many more processors. 2.6 (along with the changes that help interactivity) will make an excellent kernel for desktop machines and workstations. In 2.8, the focus will be on optimizing the core algorithms to run on large-scale NUMA machines.

Re:Microsoft leads the way with SP4 for Windows 20 (1)

h2oliu (38090) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368646)

Please, Please, Please don't compare the two. Being an Windows administrator (a minor devil in some pantheons?), I wouldn't wish SP4 equivalent instability generating changes/autoupdate problems upon anyone.

Distro Upgrade? (1, Insightful)

Irie Brother (64777) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368622)

Will this be simply a kernel upgrade and I'm running 2.6? Or... will I have to wait for a distro to release their 2.6 version?

Re:Distro Upgrade? (4, Informative)

Vanieter (613996) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368684)

I would tend to say you'd need to modify your apps so that they'll run correctly with the new ALSA interface for sound support - although it supports OSS/lite emulation pretty much perfectly (as far as I know of)

Also, modules names have (I think) changed, so a change in the init scripts would probably be useful. It depends on your distro though - I'd say distros like Slackware and Debian will have guides or automated tools for migration. Commercial distributions will probably have to release a new version (RedHat 10 ? Gods).

Although maybe I'm wrong, I never managed to get a working 2.5.x kernel on my Debian box =)

Re:Distro Upgrade? (5, Informative)

Genyin (415163) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368705)

Also, the old OSS modules are still in the kernel. I haven't tried them in 2.5, and they are marked with a big DEPRECATED, but they're still there.

Note, of course, as I've said elsewhere, you do need the new module-init-tools [kernel.org] ; I'd imagine that would be the most likey reason you'd have trouble getting a 2.5 kernel working, followed closely by an out of date/broken driver.

Re:Distro Upgrade? (1)

Vanieter (613996) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368719)

That's probably it - thanks for the tip !

Re:Distro Upgrade? (1)

Genyin (415163) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368685)

Will this be simply a kernel upgrade and I'm running 2.6? Or... will I have to wait for a distro to release their 2.6 version?

Kinda-sorta. Unless your system is wierd, you should be able to take a 2.5/2.6 kernel, drop it in along with the new modutils [kernel.org] (sys-apps/module-init-tools for the gentoo people) and it should work... for the most part, the kernel doesn't break old userspace programs.

You might need new libraries to take advantage of some new features, of course.

Re:Distro Upgrade? (1)

spencerogden (49254) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368687)

Several of the system packages will need to be updated, notably the modutils. But nothing a good package system shouldn't be able to handle.

Re:Distro Upgrade? (1)

caluml (551744) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368693)

Yes, but install the new modutils [kernel.org] first.

IMPLEMENT SPLIT PANE IN NAUTILUS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368626)

Im going to keep trolling until you do.

Re:IMPLEMENT SPLIT PANE IN NAUTILUS (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368634)

Okay then, we will implement it if you promise that you stop trolling. I'll get my team of 20 developers right on it, just so that you'll be happy.

New Name for New Linux (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368635)

not to be nitpicky or anything, but technically, shouldn't future versions of linux be referred to as GNU/SCO?

Re:New Name for New Linux (0, Offtopic)

mepr (603356) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368730)

this above should have been modded up :)

Re:New Name for New Linux (1)

mepr (603356) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368802)

thank you

LINUS SAYS PRE-CUM IS CUMMING (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368655)

Why 9 months? (5, Funny)

Gzip Christ (683175) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368662)

You can take your guess based on the fact there was a 9 month period between first test version of 2.4 and the official release of 2.4.0 on January 2001.
You might think that this was due to the birth of Linus' daughter Patricia. However, Linus actually spent those nine months cutting and pasting our code into the Linux kernel (there's so much of it, which is why it took him so long). Also, I am Patricia's real father.

-- Darl McBride

Question about 2.6 adoption by distros/maturity (4, Interesting)

Apostata (390629) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368670)


My question is this:

There was some hesitancy, upon the official release of kernel 2.4, based upon some bugs etc...

I'm wondering, does the kernel - generally speaking - get more and more stable. For example, will the first release of 2.6 be more stable than the first release of 2.4. I realise that there are new additions to the kernel, and with that new problems will probably emerge. However, comparatively speaking, does it make sense that the kernel's evolution will lean towards stability with each release in the cycle, or will it generally be unnoticable?

Just curious.

Re:Question about 2.6 adoption by distros/maturity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368699)

For example, will the first release of 2.6 be more stable than the first release of 2.4.

Well, it can't get much worse, can it?

Re:Question about 2.6 adoption by distros/maturity (4, Informative)

XO (250276) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368758)

2.4 actually had some fairly serious flaws in the middle of it, but the modifications that were done that caused those flaws were, imho, necessary for further evolution.

Certainly pre-2.6 should squash out most bugs, however !! remember the vast majority of Linux users out there are NOT likely playing with 2.5.x or will be with pre-2.6!

The stress tests that come from 2.6.0 being announced and suddenly being unleashed upon tens of thousands more users (or hundreds of thousands more machines) than 2.5.x is will shake out all remaining serious flaws.

Road trip, here comes memory lane (3, Interesting)

secondsun (195377) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368672)

I have absolutly nothing to add of a technical nature to this story, so I will delude you with a rambling trip down memory lane (comprised completly of anecdotes from 2.2).

My first taste of linux was phatLinux on my brand new p2-400 (128MB of pc 100 ram I liked). 3 months later I had built a sub 400 dollar computer to play around with and bought (yes paid money for) Linux Mandrake 6.5 from Wal-Mart. From there I began learning about this kernel thing (and my joys when I found make menuconfig and make xconfig, have you ever tried make config? ewww...) Well that went fine and fun, I added options, made modules all the fun stuff you do, but it was still in the same 2.2 vein that came with mandrake. Then 2.4.0 final was relased and I compiled and installed my first new kernel. Everything was new and faster. DevFS was a godsend, the ppp and bsd compression routines made my modem fast (or somthing I went from 2.5 kb/s downloads to 5-6 kb/s after recompiling). Since then I have also come to love dri, premptive and low latency patches, and all these other backported goodies. I am waiting on 2.6 final before I play with any of the new features (I didn't play with 2.3 or 2.5). Ok I am done. And I didn't even mention Gentoo... oh wait... damn. ;)

Re:Road trip, here comes memory lane (1)

XO (250276) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368743)

Back in my day, all we -had- was make config. And that was a new thing then! I may be recalling incorrectly, but I think the first ver of Linux that I used actually used a config.h with defines .. I may be wrong, though, that might be other software.

I'm going back to 0.98 here.

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not a day too soon (5, Funny)

Trepidity (597) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368700)

It'll be nice when it finally comes out, because I'll be able to point people doing audio work to Linux. Right now I have to say "well, Linux is better than Windows for this, but only if you apply the low-latency, pre-emptible kernel, and variable HZ (with HZ set to 1000) patches," which is a bit more involved than most people who are just doing audio work want to deal with. Once 2.6.x comes out I can just point them to the stock kernel.

SCO July 9 (-1, Troll)

hobsonchoice (680456) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368706)

Slight off topic, but we haven't had a SCO story for a couple of days:

Next month, SCO will tell companies that use or distribute Linux, such as Red Hat Inc., that they need to buy a license, says McBride [businessweek.com]

"SCO Group will publicly discuss potential solutions" ... "expected to hold a news conference 9 July" [itnews.com.au] : "It's unclear what SCO Group has in mind, but compensation and prevention of future code misuse are possibilities"

Darl McBride is flying over to Japan [techweb.com] to try and put his case to the CE Linux Forum (CELF). This story also has some further comments by analysts, which give additional interesting hints about the allegedly infringing code.

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Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368763)

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Woohoo (1)

Realistic_Dragon (655151) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368756)

Finally, 2.6 - and at last support for my Zaurus should make it into the systems at work where 'recompiling the kernel' is a dirty word.

As long as Red Hat build it in to their stock kernel that is.

Re:Woohoo (1)

wizbit (122290) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368808)

where 'recompiling the kernel' is a dirty word.

you have a very interesting workplace...

editor for slashdot, you say?

2.6 isn't a production version (5, Insightful)

ceswiedler (165311) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368762)

There's a lot of complaining about code-freezes for the kernel not being code-freezes. People gripe about major changes being introduced in the last days of the development version.

I think the problem is the standard explanation of 'even kernels are production, odd kernels are development.' Whether he says so or not, it's clear that branching to an even version does not mean that it's a production kernel...branching to an even version begins the code freeze. Up until they call it 2.6, there's going to be large changes to the codebase. Once Linus calls it 2.6, everyone knows they can't put in major changes, but basic bug-fixes only. Therefore, it's never until a few months (or a year) after the even series starts that it's really a production kernel.

Software development managers would hate this...lots of kernel developers hate this...but love him or leave him, that's how Linus works.

Reiserfs (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368771)

I'm sure I'm not the only one who's wondering if Reiser 4 will go into the stock 2.6! So: does anyone know?

What the heck?! (1, Offtopic)

aashtonk0 (686336) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368777)

I know this is kind of off the topic but could someone tell me if Slashdot has message boards, or just these comments. I'm trying to find some answer for some random question I have regarding a carreer in technology and some question on my network here at home. Maybe I'm blind but I can't seem to find any message boards on the site to ask my questions. If Slashdot doesn't have any message boards then could someone recommend some message boards where true techs hang out? Thanks

Re:What the heck?! (2, Informative)

aetherspoon (72997) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368801)

Basically, Slashdot has a story comment system that sorta resembles boards as well as a story submission system that sorta resembles a moderated topic list.

It isn't a messageboard site though.

Linux is dead (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368780)

Linux is dead

HJFHJKHDFHDFHKKHDFJKHFKDJGOATSE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6368785)

Matt on my sexuality.

I think of my sexuality as a continuum. Sometimes my sexual selves seem to break into disparate elements and they mill about in my brain. Mostly they are a friendly cooperative group, occasionally they get rambunctious and shove and pull each other trying to grab the focus of my inner eye shouting "Me! Me!"

They were damnably pushy during one of the times when my only sexual expression was masturbating. (Not an inglorious confession, most men and women have lived those days. Perhaps there are a few talented masturbators - geniuses of masturbation - who really do prefer solitary sex to the presence of a flesh and blood body. Vide the folks at Jackinworld.)

Masturbation ( - pity all the synonyms are so dorky or quaint: the sin of Onan, really? - ) for real pleasure requires a nicety and fixity of the imagination. I bet even monosexual people have trouble coming to grips with just the right person to fantasize about. Which woman with the right shape of breast and curve of hips? Which man with the right kind of cock? More humanely, which face? Given a bias towards minor specialties you may need a certain shape of leg.

And if you like all the genders (not just the big two), any act, any role including dominating and submitting, electing and abiding with the fantasy person of the moment isn't easy, the fantasy just won't cohere. (Not there aren't times when shifting through the possibilities ends in a happy orgasm.)

When I wrote earlier the birth of appreciation of Femdom I forgot a key element. Masturbating as a teen my fantasies included dates, getting to know the person - yeah, I was drippily romantic from the beginning. Many years later finding myself masturbating again I thought including romance creepy, pathetic. Sex as a power exchange was an escape from that. (Not that I don't know that BDSM and love don't preclude one another.

The quotation was all I had when I started this entry. Instead of writing about the joys of pansexuality I wound up with masturbation. Good, masturbation is one of the few topics I don't remember seeing much about it weblogs. Admitting to it probably seems admitting to weakness. How else are you going to have sex with your favorite Calvin Klein or Victoria's Secret model (rock star or whatever)? I'd invite you to share your masturbatory life with me but I wouldn't want to you blush with shame from the commonness of your fantasy or from your timidity.

When I started this entry I'd expected to write more in the vein of choosing your sexuality. More on masturbation: Wanking. Continued after a fashion in: Alien sex experiment.

load kernel from kernel? (2, Insightful)

gTsiros (205624) | more than 11 years ago | (#6368803)

What about that? Will we be finaly able to switch kernels without a reboot?

I could google for it, but hearing peoples' comments about these things is much more interesting... :D
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