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Anecdotal Evidence - not so good (5, Interesting)

afreniere (611999) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377251)

I was speaking to a lay-person friend of mine last weekend, and he mentioned to me that he had heard about the threat of lawsuits, and decided to quickly install Bearshare, download all the songs he wanted and then uninstall it. Apparently at least some people are spooked.

Re:Anecdotal Evidence - not so good (4, Funny)

Fletch (6903) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377264)

he had heard about the threat of lawsuits, and decided to quickly install Bearshare, download all the songs he wanted and then uninstall it.
Was that before or after he ran out and bought all the lottery tickets he could afford, because he heard someone was going to win it?

Re:Anecdotal Evidence - not so good (5, Funny)

cervo (626632) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377310)

Actually the fact that hearing the threat of lawsuits he still decided to install Bearshare certainly says something about human psychology. If you tell a person that they cannot do something, they are almost certainly going to try to do it.

It was true with Napster. I know I didn't care for it at first, but after hearing about the legal issues and such and that you were not supposed to be using napster suddenly I couldn't resist. And it is true that all the legal problems of Napster actually increased the user base.

So Microsoft, whatever you do, do NOT fix all of the bugs in windows!!!

Re:Anecdotal Evidence - not so good (5, Funny)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377323)

Okay, so he's installed Bearshare, he's downloading all the songs he wanted. Let us know when he finally uninstalls it, m'kay?

Haha! (0, Redundant)

wonea (597234) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377263)

They can't win!, things get faster and faster. Theres just too much traffic now, too many users. Sharing only a couple of songs. Can you prosecute them?

Re:Haha! (2, Interesting)

trompete (651953) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377311)

I'm mostly curious which network they will bring down first. There are a few major ones. I sure miss audiogalaxy!!!
What do you think: EDonkey or Kazaa?

eDonkey vs. Kazaa (2, Insightful)

xYoni69x (652510) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377392)

If any, definitely Kazaa.
eDonkey doesn't have a central server, and anyone can run a server if they want to. That's more than RIAA can currently(1) handle, I think.
Also, Kazaa seems to be more popular for sharing MP3's.

(1) What I mean is, RIAA can eventually summon enough power to bring down both, but Kazaa would be much easier.

Re:Haha! (3, Informative)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377438)

They're not going after networks any longer, just the most gratuitous servers (ie the users who have the most unauthorized content available.)

This, ironically, is what many of Napster's defenders said they should be doing back when the RIAA was threating Napster instead.

Does Napster not count. (1)

nucrash (549705) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377454)

I'm mostly curious which network they will bring down first. There are a few major ones. I sure miss audiogalaxy!!!
What do you think: EDonkey or Kazaa?


They aready brought down Napster, you dolt! Granted , some of the newer ones seem to far exceed the old ways of Napster. Now the justice system has made it known that the methods of filesharing are legit and it is the people who are using them that should be dealt with. I am surprized that Napster still continues not to function after that ruling. I would think that such a ruling would bring it back to the front of the line, but I guess not.

Re:Haha!-All your files belong to us!. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6377382)

If winning is defined as preventing people from sharing copyright material, then there's one way they can win? Stop producing, and making it available. One can't "borrow" what doesn't effectively exist.

How? (5, Interesting)

Tuffnut (618438) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377268)

I'm just curious..

How exactly do they go about finding these people? It's not like they openly give out their names on things like KaZaa?

Re:How? (4, Funny)

Alien Being (18488) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377286)

I can just see some poor bastard trying to serve papers to Heywood Jablome.

Re:How? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6377416)

I once new a guy that used that name for his dog, worked at Edwards. You that guy?

Re:How? (5, Informative)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377295)

1. Initiate a download.
2. Do a netstat.
3. Write down IP address and date/time.
4. Contact ISP and request user information after providing IP address.

Re:How? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6377322)

So leechers are safe?

Re:How? (2, Funny)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377340)

For the most part yes, unless they themselves share bogus music files and record who downloads them.

Re:How? (2, Interesting)

jkeyes (243984) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377342)

So leechers are safe?

Yes for now except once they get done with the filetraders then I can see them starting after the leechers with download bots recording the IP addresses of leechers too.

Re:How? (4, Insightful)

angle_slam (623817) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377408)

Yes for now except once they get done with the filetraders then I can see them starting after the leechers with download bots recording the IP addresses of leechers too.

Once the filetraders are gone, the leechers will be also, because there will be nothing to leech off of.

Re:How? (5, Interesting)

C_To (628122) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377473)

What happens if the invididual sharing the files in question is out of jurstidiction of the United States? As far as I know ISPs in Canada, Australia, England, won't give out user information without a court order. Since the DMCA or whatever law it is that allows the RIAA to get information from ISPs does not exist in these countries, these users don't have to worry (at least in theory).

And even worse, what about those who have filenames that are similar but not exactly the same as commerical music? They're going to have to download every song they can to verify it, otherwise it will be tossed out of court (and on 56K, that can be hours if not days).

Re:How? (2, Informative)

silas_moeckel (234313) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377301)

Get an IP address

Look up Address with whois

Send a letter tot he required contact field citing the DMCA demanding all the info for who was logged in on IP address at date/time

Receive responce file suit to owner of the account. Or collect and wait you have time to file after all.

It's a pretty straight forward the DCMA abusing the right to due proccess. Yea having to go to civil court to get a supena for the info wasent much harder but at least it was another step. Oh yea I can do this as I own copyrighted (just about everybody does) and just need to be reasonably sure of infringment with no oversite isnt it great you can look up people on IRC etc now?

Re:How? (1)

garrulous (653996) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377344)

Would using an anonymizing proxy server protect a downloader? Would the RIAA just go after whoever is supporting the proxies?

Effect due to... (5, Funny)

drquizas (681020) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377271)

96% or so (+/- a couple due to frequency distribution) of file-swapping system users realizing that their last names do not start with 'A'

Legal department did a good marketing job (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6377273)

More and more people are getting interested in file sharing now? Those lawyers should get a job in marketing... ;-)

my parents are spooked... (5, Funny)

wo1verin3 (473094) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377275)

they decided to print out the article and come have a serious talk, and how I should realize filesharing is wrong.

you know when your non-technical parents get it on the action, one of two things:

1) my parents are androids from the future sent by the evil RIAA
2) this is more of a marketing campaign then anything...

VISIT http://www.napsterbits.com for the hillarious adventures of the napster kittyhead!

Re:my parents are spooked... (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377421)

If #1, then you're already dead and an evil android is perfectly imitating your typing style. (Fiendishly clever, these evil androids!)

Re:my parents are spooked... (5, Insightful)

tinrobot (314936) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377423)

Your parents have a lot more to lose, like their house. If you get caught while using their internet connection, they're the ones who are going to pay the price.

It is marketing, but the RIAA knows the people who scare easiest are the ones with the most to lose.

Eighteen year old kids can afford to lose their life savings, because they can get it back in a week or two.

They need to study psychology not criminology (5, Insightful)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377276)

They're considering suing normal people, people who for the most part don't shoplift, don't deal drugs, don't kill people etc..

You need to understand your market if you are to sell your product to it. With the Internet the market has changed, selling a song to the 'net generation is a lot more complex than a flashy video and radio play. This is the X factor that the recording industry hasn't really bothered to look into and I find it very interesting that one of the most successful online music sites is part of a computer company (Apple).

In summary the record labels need to send their marketing and product development guys off to college, study the success of e-commerce and redesign their business model cus CD is after all only a storage medium.

Slippery slope when wet. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6377369)

"They're considering suing normal people, people who for the most part don't shoplift, don't deal drugs, don't kill people etc.."

Do people need to do those things in order to be prosecuted for a crime? Were does a society based on laws draw the line?

Re:Slippery slope when wet. (2)

wo1verin3 (473094) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377411)

>>Do people need to do those things in order to
>>be prosecuted for a crime? Were does a society
>>based on laws draw the line?

When laws no longer provide safety, justice, or no longer represent the majority of people, these laws need to be re-examined. The laws are supposed to protect the majority from the minority in theory.

Re:They need to study psychology not criminology (1)

BiggerIsBetter (682164) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377390)

This is the X factor that the recording industry hasn't really bothered to look into and I find it very interesting that one of the most successful online music sites is part of a computer company (Apple).

If I was a betting man, I would wager that something similar comes built into the next version of Windows or maybe even Windows Media Player*.

*I don't use Windows so it could already be there and I wouldn't know... I'm not stupid, just ignorant ;-)

Re:They need to study psychology not criminology (5, Insightful)

ejaw5 (570071) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377401)

I think there's another part of the market, the Compact Disc. Its a very durable and long-lasting medium that reproduces sound well. In the past, I'd say the RIAA profited from people repurchasing music on cassette tapes when upgrading from LP, and the same with CDs from cassette. Also have to consider the "replacement" purchases made when an LP or cassette wore out. CDs last a very long time (if not infinite life) if you take care of them. --CDs from the mid 80's in my collection still sound the same when played today. A new and improved medium could be introduced, but since the current CD is 'good enough', it probably won't catch on. In addition, If you ask music listeners today, the music pumped out today probably isn't worth buying again if the medium did change.

Pointless Statistic (4, Interesting)

jolyonr (560227) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377278)

What a pointless statistic. I bet you would find a month-on-month increase in P2P usage as more non-techy people out there discover how ridiculously easy it is.

Jolyon

Re:Pointless Statistic (0)

Mod Me God (686647) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377306)

Yes, there was no point, however I think given the bias, measuring error and lack of a longer (or back-) run of data giving statistics to 1dp, 2dp etc is a bit pointless, even though they have a point.

Re:Pointless Statistic (5, Funny)

Polo (30659) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377433)

Also, RIAA threats have led to GLOBAL WARMING as global temperatures have also increased. (as measured in the northern hemisphere this spring)

A good thing? (4, Insightful)

Tinfoil (109794) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377280)

While I am a little suprised to see the numbers up 10%, I can't say that it wasn't expected. More and more people seem to want to taunt the recording industry, they want the RIAA to come after them it seems.

All the money they are spending on their lawyers should rather be dumped into iTunes or Rhapsodey like services. How much proof is needed that that is the way to go?

The industry needs to face facts. The full-format physical media isn't going to sustain their business model. With todays need for instant gratification, people want to buy only what they want and they want it now.

Removing dependance on full-length physical media will do a couple of good things. First it will force the industry and artists to put out more quality tracks instead of relying on a couple radio tracks to sell a disc made mostly of filler. Second, the consumer will no longer get stuck with a lousy disc.

Re:A good thing? (3, Interesting)

Our Man In Redmond (63094) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377381)

You forgot (or didn't mention) the third beneficial effect, namely, no more waiting three years for an album from your favorite band. They get the sound they want, put out the word, and 24 hours later fans are enjoying the track.

In fact eventually "track" may become a carryover from an earlier time, sort of like "album." Has anyone younger than me ever seen a real album, with half-a-dozen sleeves, each of which contains a 10" 78 RPM record?

Re:A good thing? (1)

Radish03 (248960) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377400)

"Removing dependance on full-length physical media will do a couple of good things. First it will force the industry and artists to put out more quality tracks instead of relying on a couple radio tracks to sell a disc made mostly of filler. Second, the consumer will no longer get stuck with a lousy disc."

Funny thing, I own approximately one cd from a record company which is a member of the RIAA, while all my others are not. On all of these cds, no songs really stand out as being the best or one that would be played on the radio (if these songs were ever played on the radio) because the cds are filled with great songs. I was gonna make a point about how big name bands tend to put out so much more crap that do smaller, lesser-known bands, in relation to how it seems to me that big name bands get into it for the money more often while most lesser-known bands play because they like to play, and how if big name bands focussed on playing better music maybe they'd start making more money too if that's their goal.

Re:A good thing? (1)

Datasage (214357) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377446)

I also agree that the physical format model is on its way out the door. But not entirly. I still buy cd's. But it has to be a good enough band for me to justify the $18 per CD. In the american music market, there are very few of those.

The furture of music is digital. There is no escaping it.

My future headline prediction "Music CD sales drop 20% in the wake of a campaign of lawsits by the RIAA, RIAA blams music sharing."

Is copyright going the way of prohibition? (4, Interesting)

kenthorvath (225950) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377282)

Seriously, if enough people blatanly disobey copyright laws, if there is enough civil disobedience, it almost HAS to force a change in the law. The question, though, is how much is "enough" and do we REALLY need to go through all of the heavy handed law enforcement attempts before this happens? Can't the law makers see for once, that this is what the PEOPLE want and step up to the plate to do their job? Rant over.

Re:Is copyright going the way of prohibition? (1, Insightful)

EnVisiCrypt (178985) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377315)

There are lot of people who shoplift. Why hasn't that been made legal yet, anyway?

Re: Is copyright going the way of prohibition? (5, Insightful)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377328)


> Seriously, if enough people blatanly disobey copyright laws, if there is enough civil disobedience, it almost HAS to force a change in the law. The question, though, is how much is "enough" and do we REALLY need to go through all of the heavy handed law enforcement attempts before this happens?

How many people do you suppose are in prison right now for smoking pot, and how long has that enforcement been going on?

> Can't the law makers see for once, that this is what the PEOPLE want and step up to the plate to do their job?

Most of them will take an interest exactly when they think the number of votes the current arrangement costs them will hurt worse than the number of lobbying dollars an alternative tack would cost them.

Welcome to the lobbyocracy.

Re: Is copyright going the way of prohibition? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6377412)

>lobbyocracy.
You misspelled "fascism"

Re:Is copyright going the way of prohibition? (1)

illuvata (677144) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377336)

i dont think stuff should be made legal just because lots off people dont like it.
for example, almost everyone speeds, but i dont think the laws should be changed to allow people to drive as fast as they want

Re:Is copyright going the way of prohibition? (5, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377338)

Uhh, prohibition on alcohol is over with but drug prohibition is not.

We spend millions and millions of dollars on the "Drug War" and millions and millions more on holding people in jail because they do/sell drugs...

How many people smoke pot? How many states have made it a minor offense to smoke it? How many people are still being busted for it, having their cars and houses seized for buying a dime bag?

And you think that filesharing is going to continue because people do it? Get real.

Re:Is copyright going the way of prohibition? (4, Insightful)

carpe_noctem (457178) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377354)

I think that the difference here is that civil disobedience can change -laws-, but we're not fighting laws here. We're fighting money.

Re:Is copyright going the way of prohibition? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6377427)

Seriously, if enough people blatanly disobey copyright laws, if there is enough civil disobedience, it almost HAS to force a change in the law.

Just like it did for speed limits and taxes?

Not it! (4, Insightful)

Davak (526912) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377287)


Weiss said the recording industry should lobby for special taxes on CD burners and Internet access as a way to recoup losses incurred from file sharing, an idea that Grokster's Rosso also supports. Rosso was in Washington recently to talk to lobbyists about forming a coalition of file-sharing firms.

Interpretation:
We don't mind the RIAA making money... just make them get it from somebody except us

AKA, the "not it!" theory.

Davak

Re:Not it! (4, Interesting)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377307)

I believe they already collect a tax on CD burners.

They collect quite a lot of funds in fact, they even collect money for radio play of unsigned acts and these artists receive nothing.

Above info collected from:

Here [boycott-riaa.com]

Consequences not effective (5, Insightful)

bajo77 (632115) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377288)

People generally don't respond very much to possible consequences. There is a high chance of getting a speeding ticket, yet almost everyone goes above the speed limit, often ignoring the safety of themselves and others. There's not likely much the RIAA can do to make even a slight decrease in file-sharing.

Irony is the best sword to fall by. (1)

Pavan_Gupta (624567) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377292)

It seems odd that the RIAA doesn't try and work with the consumers. But I'm sure this has already been said .. so with that..
Make Backup copies of your stuff like you've never done before! GET TO IT! Make it a 50% increase.

Re:Irony is the best sword to fall by. (5, Funny)

BiggerIsBetter (682164) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377415)

Make Backup copies of your stuff like you've never done before!

Heh, yeah, OFF-SITE backup copies. Lots of them! :)

Artists Against iTunes (5, Interesting)

pgrote (68235) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377300)

And from the "they keep shooting themselves in the head" department, Metallica says no iTunes do to principles. [chron.com] :
"Artists hold out on iTunes on principle
Reuters News Service

LOS ANGELES -- The Red Hot Chili Peppers and Metallica are refusing to make their music available as individual downloads on Apple Computer's iTunes online music store.

That move comes in response to Apple's decision to allow users to buy single tracks and is intended to protect the future of the long-playing album, said Mark Reiter of Q Prime Management Co., which manages the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Metallica and several other artists.

Green Day and Linkin Park, according to a source familiar with the situation, have also refused to make their songs available as individual downloads on the Apple service, which has sold over 5 million songs. "

-- Hey .. I have a great idea. Let's tick off our customers. They want this, but let's not give it to them. In fact, let's prosecute them. Works for me.

Idiots.

Re:Artists Against iTunes (3, Insightful)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377341)

Not stupid, greedy. Of course this is probably going to bite them in the ass anyhow. I'm also very surprised to see Green Day doing this, considering when "Dookie" was new you could get it for $10 at a record store here.

I could give a shit about Linkin Park, they don't even write thier own music.

Jaysyn

Re:Artists Against iTunes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6377383)

I could give a shit about Linkin Park, they don't even write thier own music.

Not to mention their complete inability to correctly spell "Lincoln"!

Re:Artists Against iTunes (4, Insightful)

Cruciform (42896) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377348)

Say that an album has 12 tracks. Usually only 2 or 3 of those tracks are the reason people buy the cd, since the rest is filler (in some cases good filler, in other cases crap).

Now if you pay full price for the CD, they make more money than if you just bought the two or three good songs off iTunes.

It makes perfect sense to them.

The thing they need to realize is now that the option is there, people will prefer to spend 3 or 4 bucks getting the songs they want off an album rather than pay 15 for castoff songs. And if they don't learn to embrace the internet, they will be left behind by it.

Re:Artists Against iTunes (1)

colinleroy (592025) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377440)

Say that an album has 12 tracks. Usually only 2 or 3 of those tracks are the reason people buy the cd, since the rest is filler (in some cases good filler, in other cases crap).
I don't really agree about the filler stuff. While it may be true for a majority of records, some CDs have to be taken as a whole. The Wall from Pink Floyd, for example, comes to my mind.

Re:Artists Against iTunes (1)

Farrax (83670) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377467)

This is not about greed. This is about the artist deciding how and in what manner his or her art is to be presented.

An analogous situation would be cropping a painter's artwork when displaying it, so that only the portions you liked were visible. You can do that on your own (when you've bought the painting, say) but presenting it for display or selling the cropped picture is unconscionable. Likewise, these musicians have declared that their albums are the full picture and none have the right to sell only part of the picture.

It's not greed, it's just maintaining artistic integrity.

New P2P (4, Informative)

Pros_n_Cons (535669) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377312)

Has anyone tried Earthstation5 [earthstation5.com]?

supports SSL, Proxys, tunneling of UDP though port 80 and some other goodies to hide from ISP's, RIAA, etc?

I've downloaded and tried it and was quite happy with it. You take a speed hit for your privacy but when the RIAA is screaming bloody murder it might be the only alternitive. Now all we have to do is e-mail them like made to get it ported to other OS's!

Re:New P2P (5, Funny)

carpe_noctem (457178) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377404)

I would, but I can't see anything on their webpage, because apparently, they believe that flash is a suitable substitute for HTML and content.

Re:New P2P (1)

ZiZ (564727) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377419)

Or better yet, we could email them like mad to release their source code and protocols. The source code license doesn't even have to be GPLed - something more restrictive would be fine by me - so long as it's open and avaliable, and the protocols are known.

users are going to start hoarding songs... (1)

anthonyrcalgary (622205) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377314)

I think this is a matter of users stocking up before the lawsuits start. Oh well. I really don't think it can be stopped, because people want it. It can only be made inconveniant. Besides, according to the Copyright Act (of Canada) I'm allowed to make copies of stuff for personal use. I can't share them, but my cable modem provider yells at me when I share anyway, so I don't.

No such thing as bad publicity... (4, Insightful)

shadowbearer (554144) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377316)

With the RIAA being in the news so much recently, is it possible that this is simply more people all of a sudden discovering that they *can* share files?

"What? We can do that? Cool. Look, there's links in the article to this software..."

SB

In other news (-1, Troll)

rf0 (159958) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377319)

97% of statics are made up
Somewhere it wil rain tommorow
The world is round

Re:In other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6377397)

statistics you idiot.

Genocidal Litigation... (1)

Ivan Raikov (521143) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377320)

'even genocidal litigation can't stop file sharers' Or to put it in the immortal words of the great Teacher and Leader of the American People comrade George Bush, BRING IT ON!

"Genocidal Litigation" nice (4, Insightful)

Lelon (443322) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377321)


It should be noted that this contradicts what has been reported in the main stream news, with one cable news channel reporting a 15% drop in file sharing.

(off topic, when I'm posting a new comment to an article, slashdot should include the article on the page where I'm responding so I can reference it)

Personal Take (3, Informative)

Catiline (186878) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377324)

My Gnutella node was loaded down with Linux ISOs, Cygwin software, and free ebooks (mainly PG texts). I say was because when this announcement came out, I decided getting caught in the crossfire was too high a risk (even if my offerings are 100% legitimate) and removed myself from the P2P scene. Given the RIAA's violent thrashings here -- for example, suing the college students for running mere indexing services -- I'm standing as far back as I can to watch the dinosaur's death throes. I'm sure I am not alone in that attitude, and the P2P traffic went up 10% anyway. I'm sure when you start seeing the stories entitled such things as "10,000 file traders arrested" we'll start seeing the boycott movement start in earnest.

You coward -NT- (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6377444)

noooo text

Free market in action (4, Interesting)

GammaTau (636807) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377325)

This is free market in action. The artificial scarcity created by government regulation (copyright) is way out of touch with the reality so the free market, even when it has to operate as a black market, will take care of the customer demand.

What needs to happen is serious consideration of how the supply can be kept running under these circumstances. One solution would be to allow unlimited music distribution as long as you don't charge any money for it. If the commercial exploitation of copyrighted material would still be an exclusive right of the copyright holder, I believe there is a big market where the copyright holder can make good profit. This would pretty much legalize the current practise where individual people can trade music online freely while the commercial distributors (e.g. CD sales) would have to pay.

Re:Free market in action (4, Insightful)

angle_slam (623817) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377429)

The artificial scarcity created by government regulation (copyright) is way out of touch with the reality so the free market, even when it has to operate as a black market, will take care of the customer demand.

What 'artificial scarcity' are you talking about? There is nothing 'scarce' about music. You can go to any number of internet sites and buy CDs. Try buy.com [buy.com].

The free market is in action. It's just that people would rather pay $0.00 for music rather than anything more than $0.00.

RIAA their own worst enemy. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6377326)

It's true.

Just as many here on /. speculated, the RIAA's setting their sights on the end users is spurring the creation of P2P systems where the identity of the end user and/or what they are sharing are practically impossible to ascertain. [wired.com]

Nothing motivates people quite like the fear, however small, of being prosecuted and having to cough up your life's savings to a bunch of greedy bastards.

Memo to RIAA: Just give up, okay? You made your bed with the years of overcharging and price-fixing, now it's time to lie in it. Your customers are fed up with being overcharged and assumed to be criminals. If I have to pay you a piracy tax for every blank CD I'm buying, then I'm going to download some shit-- after all, I've already paid you for it.

Your business model has been obsoleted. Get with the times, give the people what they want, or prepare for termination.

Spooked some warez junkies too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6377331)

I was surprised and amused when I saw some people on macserialjunkie.com all of a sudden posting things like: OMG HOW CAN I DELETE BIT TORRENT AND KAZAA AND STUFF OFF ALL MY COMPUTERS SO NO ONE WILL EVR NO I P1R4T3D MUSIC AND I WONT GET SU3D AND MY PARENTS W0NT K3LL ME?

and even one of my good friends recently heard by way of mouth that the RIAA was going to begin massive lawsuits- so she was staying off kazaa for a while. I told her not to worry about it and just limit her uploads.

Basically, this IS scaring laymen. But for every layman out there, there exists a nerd to set them right.

RIAA publicity == increase swapping (0, Redundant)

ejaw5 (570071) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377334)

As long as the RIAA keeps attracting media attention, more people will download music.

Back in 1999, it was a chance game downloading music off of websites, audiofind IIRC was a favorite. But selection was limited, so FTP started to look like an option, but ratio trading was rather impossible with dialup. Then one day on the evening news, they were reporting on this thing called "Napster" that was common among many college campuses, straining networks. First thought: there's a program out there that lets you FIND ANY (most) music and just download them that easy.....I got to try this out!

now's the time for PeerGuardian. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6377347)

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/tim.leonard1/pg/PeerG uardian_1.97b.zip

PeerGuardian is a simple P2P-enemy blocking program. It was initially just made for a few friends on XS.

It has aggression control so users can control the CPU versus their connection (dial-up users can use it with 20% aggression) and works in conjunction with the PG IP Database, an on-line database of P2P-enemy IP addresses which users can submit to, vote on submissions or add comments on existing ranges. Latest version is compatible with the 'Bulk Update' feature of the WWW-based PG2-IP-DB.

PeerGuardian is freeware.

bitTorrent (3, Informative)

bstadil (7110) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377350)

Why use this old system when your are perfectly safe using Bit-torrent?

Lot's of search sites [bytemonsoon.com]has emerged so you can pick and choose what you want, and leaving a few uploads open all the time as quid pro quo.

You can even rate the stuff out there.

Re:bitTorrent (4, Informative)

elohim (512193) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377374)

http://www.lowta.cx/upload/c/comcastwtf.png

Interesting stuff. I'll be using PeerGuardian from now on.

Re:bitTorrent (5, Informative)

Yosho (135835) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377378)

How does BitTorrent make you any more safe than any other filesharing system? In fact, I think it would be trivial for someone working with law enforcement to go through search sites like the one you just listed with a client such as this one [kefro.st] and grab the IPs of everybody downloading the file.

Re:bitTorrent (1)

grishnav (522003) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377468)

Yes, that's right. Bit torrent is MMUUCCH safer. You just keep using it and thinking that, now... Note for the intelligent: BT is perhaps less safe than other networks, because the tracker keeps track of your IP, and is more than happy to report it.

Lazy RIAA (5, Interesting)

cervo (626632) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377353)

"Weiss said the recording industry should lobby for special taxes on CD burners and Internet access as a way to recoup losses incurred from file sharing, an idea that Grokster's Rosso also supports."

Yeah right, so you can't properly secure your own cd's or whatever, so go ahead and put a tax on internet access and cd burner's to make up losses because of your own incompetence. And as we all know, no one uses CD Burners for say....backups, or transferring legitimate files from one person to another. No one uses the internet to do do legitament things like research. So of course everyone should Pay the RIAA and help them. Never mind that if they really want to stop piracy they should be better protecting their own media.

The worst thing is that the RIAA probably has enough influence in Washington to pull something like this off!! What's next, Microsoft builds an internet monitoring meter into windows to send usage statistics to the government so they can bill you monthly. Then Linux is outlawed for not having the US government metering package?

Re:Lazy RIAA (2, Funny)

Gunsmithy (554829) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377384)

You'll take my Redhat from me when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!

COME GET SOME, COPPERS!

Re:Lazy RIAA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6377426)

The worst thing is that the RIAA probably has enough influence in Washington to pull something like this off!! What's next, Microsoft builds an internet monitoring meter into windows to send usage statistics to the government so they can bill you monthly. Then Linux is outlawed for not having the US government metering package?

Don't give these guys any ideas :-)

I don't understand something... (4, Interesting)

droopus (33472) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377364)

The RIAA does not own the copyrights to anything. According to the DMCA [loc.gov] only the owner of the copyright can sue for infringement. The owner first must communicate in writing to the user's ISP, demanding that they take action.

The ISP is bound by law to inform the user, who has the right, under penalty of perjury, to deny that he/she is offering infringing material.

Now it gets interesting.

If the user denies that he/she has been sharing, the ISP must inform the copyright owner, and that copyright owner has a limited amount of time during which it MUST bring suit against the alleged infringer, or the ISP MUST restore access.

So, someone please tell me how the RIAA has the right to sue, since they own no copyrights?

Also, if every person sued denies they are sharing, forcing the actual copyright holder to bring suit, wouldn't the sheer weight of litigation costs make this a really bad strategy?

Re:I don't understand something... (1)

SphynxSR (584774) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377432)

It is probably some kind of contract where the RIAA does all the work, takes all the heat. They are the proxy for the Record companies.

Re:I don't understand something... (1)

Cylix (55374) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377442)

Funny,

This isn't what is happening though...

Here is the run down as I have witnessed it..

1. Offending material is found by Corporate Industry. I'm sure it has been completely verified (sarcasm)

2. Corps contact the ISP and acquire the users information.

3. Corps have internet access disabled.

4 Now, they issue a letter directly to the offending party detailing what has happened.

It is then up to the offender to apologize, say never ever to do it again, and then access is re-enabled by the ISP. (Corps issue the re-activation order)

I've witnessed this both with Earthlink's dial-up customers and Adelphia's broadband customers.

Allegation is a powerful tool... I would love to see this performed against the RIAA's and MPAA's own people.

Aruments of file sharers (2, Informative)

panurge (573432) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377367)

The answer is NOT to have a compensation charge per CD or per CD burner. Quite apart from the fact that some of us use CD writers to produce backups of work, the entire principle that there should be specific legislation in favor of a commercial organisation creating a tax which goes to fund its revenue is wrong. Literally, it is fascism (a form of government in which big business is in direct league with the government).

The example of Prohibition shows that if enough people regard a law as a bad one, it will eventually fall. If enough people believe that there is a de facto monopoly in the music business which results in the product being hugely over-priced and managers being over-rewarded, and they choose to circumvent that over-pricing, the effect is no different from if they simply stop buying the product altogether, which is legal.

I can't resist a plug at this point for Terry Pratchett's book Soul Music which manages to make some of the issues amusing.

it's called rebellion (0, Redundant)

jr87 (653146) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377373)

The RIAA had to add a new feeling of rebellion to filesharing...just when it was starting to feel normal too. silly RIAA

Not surprised by this result (3, Insightful)

Daimaou (97573) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377396)

I view the sharing of music now days as a form of political protesting.

Regarding the music industry, there is a lot to protest about in my opinion. Prices are too high, quality is questionable, and the RIAA are out of control. What better place to protest and get your points across than downloading music from the internet?

RIAA is the rise. (1)

SphynxSR (584774) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377410)

You know the rise could be do to RIAA trying to track down everybody. To get even more paranoid. Maybe the RIAA is behind the hack challenge for today. To cover up their tracks. "Dr. Evil laugh now"

Why, why, why? (5, Insightful)

themaddone (180841) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377414)

RIAA threatens to sue dozens, hundreds, or thousands of file-shares. File-sharing increases, and we brag about it? "Woohoo! Look at us! You can't get me RIAA! Your threats and lawyers and lawsuits don't bother me at all!"

Look, I'm all for giving the RIAA whatfor, just on principle, but STOP TELLING THEM YOU'RE INFRINGING THEIR COPYRIGHTS (not stealing, as we all know... right?) AND QUIT FLAUNTING THAT YOU'RE NOT AFRAID.

Because they are going to drop the hammer. And they are going to sue some poor college kids and high school kids and ruin their savings and credit and quite possibily their future. This isn't funny. People should be switching to anonymous technologies ASAP. It's like a burgular going back to the same house after having a long conversation with the owner in a coffee shop about how he previously stole from the owner, and he didn't care that the owner now has some nasty looking guard dogs, a moat, and a team of lawyers ready to defend him when he shoots the burgular in "self-defense."

So shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. It's for your own good.

Honestly, though... (0)

Gunsmithy (554829) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377418)

...it feels like every time the RIAA says "don't download!" people see that as a gigantic red button. Well, you know what? I don't share, and I've downloaded one song over the past three months. Heard it on the radio five times while trying to get it, too. :P

File Sharing is already out of control (1)

Grey Fox LSU (630480) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377434)

The RIAA/MPAA have a slight problem when it comes to file sharing. Napster and file-sharng in general is already ingrained into American culture. If they had stopped this say 5 or 6 years ago, they would have had a good chance of actually squashing file-sharing. But now everyone knows about file-sharing. I guess you could say file-sharing is like a herpes virus, once your infected (American culture) you will never get rid of it.

A losing battle (2, Insightful)

Kenshiro70 (610599) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377435)

The RIAA can't win here - the very business dynamic they are trying to exploit is what will hurt them the most. Just like the major airlines, which make a majority of their money from Business Class passengers, the music indutry makes its money from a small number of acts (Britney, etc). Those acts and albums will be shared, whether in the US or overseas (out of RIAA reach), so they will be hurt regardless. Much like Southwest Airlines disrupting the major airlines business through a new, low-cost overhead business model, things will change. This current negative PR campaign of "suing your customers" will only hasten this trend.

Kazaa (2, Funny)

jmweeks (49705) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377436)

I have to wonder if this has anything to do with those same users leaving Kazaa [msnbc.com], since it's pretty clear the recording industry is going to go after the most popular p2p network first.

Nah, that couldn't be it. That would mean this article is poorly-researched and misleading.

Paypal to the rescue? (1)

OpCode42 (253084) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377439)

If I was the RIAA, I'd set up a paypal donation page and say "Look, we'll ignore all the sharing that goes on if you make a few donations."

It's so crazy, it wouldn't work!

Chillean Sea Bass... (4, Funny)

CySurflex (564206) | more than 10 years ago | (#6377450)

reminds me of my mom - I told her that Chillean Sea Bass is an endangered species and that restaurants that do serve it are breaking the law. Since then it's the only thing she orders whenever it's available...

Trolling up 100% after Taco threatens users (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6377472)

Despite numerous attempts at restraining the Slashdot trolls, trolling has more than doubled here on Slashdot. Lameness filters, posting delays and two-post-per-day limits have done little to cease the posting of goatse.cx ASCII art, penis bird links, BSD is Dying articles and reminders that Michael Sims is a censoring bastard.


Just like pirating music, when you try to stop someone from doing something, it only makes them work harder to do it.

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