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Gamers Aren't (Always) Geeks

CmdrTaco posted more than 11 years ago | from the gimme-my-pringles-and-mtn-dew-and-turn-of-the-lights dept.

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wo1verin3 writes "CNN is reporting that not all gamers are the anti-social folk they are hyped to be by parents and the media. Roughly two-thirds of college students play video games, but the image of a nerdy guy who spends all day in a dimly lit room blowing up computer-generated bad guys is off base, according to a new study. Full story here."

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Yeah but... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390484)

They are still clown-punchers

They socialize with other gamers (3, Funny)

Mirell (459881) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390490)

No, they might not spend it alone, but they still only socialize with other gamers in a LAN gaming shop or whatnot. Not saying that all people in a LAN game are anti-social nerds, far from it. But still, just because they get out and socialize with other gamers is not saying much in it of itself.

Re:They socialize with other gamers (4, Informative)

mjmalone (677326) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390513)

Actually a lot of people I know are occasional gamers. They arent obsessed with them and associate with "normal" people... The problem is when you become addicted and sit in front of your computer all day.

Re:and like - shock horror... (5, Funny)

op51n (544058) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390604)

New discovery: not all stereotypes are valid!

Re:They socialize with other gamers (4, Insightful)

notque (636838) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390723)

"Actually a lot of people I know are occasional gamers. They arent obsessed with them and associate with "normal" people... The problem is when you become addicted and sit in front of your computer all day."

Every Lan party I've ever been to, an hour into the gaming, even the normal gamers are addicted.

It is just fun to play a competitive game with friends. Especially when you don't have to run or jump to do so. It's pretend!

Girls also have a realistic chance to be competitive. Stupid starfall.

Re:They socialize with other gamers (4, Insightful)

simong_oz (321118) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390779)

... occasional gamers. They arent obsessed with them and associate with "normal" people...

Those people are not what I call a "gamer" - they just happen to enjoy spending some time playing computer games, but computer games are not the dominant activity in their lives.

The problem is when you become addicted and sit in front of your computer all day.

I'm not sure if that alone is the problem - to me it's more the people who do this to the exclusion of going out and seeing people (non-gamers!) face-to-face in the real world (and I don't mean at LAN parties). I suppose it's like anything that has the potential to be addictive.

The real difference (and danger I guess) is that it is entirely possible to create another world and not have to interact with anyone through gaming, effectively withdrawing themselves from society - most other activities don't have this "potential".

So... (4, Insightful)

TamMan2000 (578899) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390655)

they still only socialize with other gamers

Excuse me, but what is your point? Golfers hang out with other golfers, quilters hang out with other quilters, runners hang out with other runners...

Anyone with a hobby, likely socializes with others who have the same hobby.

Re:They socialize with other gamers (1)

matastas (547484) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390708)

BS. Of the engineers I went to school with, most of them gamed until it was time to go out the bars, and a little when they came back reaking of vodka and loose women.

Okay, the women might be stretching it.

Re:They socialize with other gamers (1)

KDan (90353) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390715)

That's complete bullshit. Most of my friends at university played computer games (both on the PC and on the console) and none of them were unbalanced in any way socially. Hell, one of the main social focal points at the college bar was the game arcades, eg Tekken 2, Puzzle Bubble, The Lost World, Point Blanc, etc.

Of course, you might say that since almost everyone was a "gamer" (even people without computers), they socialised mostly with gamers, but that would still make your point rather moot. I guess intelligent people just like to distract themselves, and video games are a popular option.

Daniel

If this is not the first post... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390494)

...I will wrap my penis in several layers of condoms and burn them like a Nigerian flaming tire.

As always, links to pictures will be posted. Happy Troll Tuesday!

I'm really starting to question the validity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390667)

of your claims, Mr Troll. You never have posted any pictures that I've seen to back up your claims. Furthermore, you are a flaming failure already, so what would really be the point of setting your dick on fire?

flaming failure troll
why does first post ellude you?
still just a failure

tell me its the first post.... yama (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390497)

tell me its the first post.... yama

Yes we are (-1, Offtopic)

lordrich (647355) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390500)

Only a geek would be this happy at getting the first comment on slashdot article :-)

Quite a few gamers in college... (4, Interesting)

Randolpho (628485) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390501)

... are jocks. It's true. Or at least it was 5 years ago. Not a single one of the guys on the football team didn't have a Playstation or N64.

Re:Quite a few gamers in college... (2, Informative)

garcia (6573) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390552)

exactly. College football games and NFL were played CONSTANTLY by the members of the football team. I hung out with a few in college and there was always a house full of guys playing PS2 and N64 games.

I was a Quaker at the time but quickly picked up on Madden. Quake was great but too much garbage was beginning (botting, 12 year olds spamming the messsages, etc). Consoles brought a group of guys together in one location and was quite a bit more fun than sitting in my dorm room huddled over my computer watching a moron axe a lagged player to death.

Re:Quite a few gamers in college... (5, Interesting)

Transient0 (175617) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390580)

It's true. And when I was in university, all my friends who were ravers, punk rockers and football players were seriously into games like starcraft and quake.

The difference is that, although they played them heavily, none of them would have dreamed of subscribing to a gaming magazine or going to a LAN party or gaming event.

Point being, the gamers that we tend to call "hard-core" are the ones who look to video games to provide them with a social life or community of friends through things such as mailing lists, on-line forums and even live events. These are the gamers who are almost inevitably "geeks".

The gamers who are the "cool kids" see gaming as something that they do for fun but which isn't really an important part of their life. They see it this way because they get their social life and sense of community from other things such as sports, fraternities or concerts.

Re:Quite a few gamers in college... (4, Funny)

notque (636838) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390774)

Quite a few gamers in college are jocks. It's true.

And the only reason we let them play is because we kick their asses.

Re:Quite a few gamers in college... (3, Insightful)

lvdrproject (626577) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390777)

Er... that may be so, but how many of those jocks had their N64s and PlayStations almost solely for playing racing, sports, and the occasional shooting game? I don't know what the article's talking about, but when i think of "gamer", i think of somebody who plays A LOT of games, and very involving, generally time-consuming games. Like RPG- and CounterStrike-players. Those are the people that "parents" and "the media" are talking about, i think. Not the 3-or-4-hours-a-week kind of gamer. :/

Yay! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390502)

but the image of a nerdy guy who spends all day in a dimly lit room blowing up computer-generated bad guys is off base

Take THAT, mom! *goes back to GTA:VC in my darkened room

Duke Nukem 4-0 - balder, fatter (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390506)

Garland, TX

Looks like middle age hasn't been kind to action hero Duke Nukem. In a prerelease press preview, presented by Joe Siegler, the studly hero is bald with a huge beer-gut. "We wanted to flesh out the character of Duke", Siegler said, "we want to make him more a character that his fans can directly relate to".

In the new title, Duke is in a custody dispute with his ex-wife. Apparently, since he lost his job, he's in arrears on his child-support payments. When his (alien) wife kidnaps their kids and leaves for her mothers on Vega VII, it's butt-kicking time!

Ouch... (2, Insightful)

BobRooney (602821) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390510)

It pains me that this is news 2X over on slashdot in 2 days. Although it points out that while not all gamers are geeks, many of them ARE or this wouldnt be news. BTW, I'm both a gamer and a geek and proud of being both.

Re:Ouch... (4, Insightful)

muffen (321442) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390799)

BTW, I'm both a gamer and a geek and proud of being both.

Dude, seriously, there is a limit to everything.
I like playing games, probably spend an hour a day in average (I sometimes play an entire weekend, bringing up the average quite a bit). However, I am not the least proud of it, nor does it bother me. I do it because I think its fun, and I don't let it become my identity, which it appears is what you have done.

My opinions anyways...

Re:Ouch... (1)

notque (636838) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390808)

It pains me that this is news 2X over on slashdot in 2 days. Although it points out that while not all gamers are geeks, many of them ARE or this wouldnt be news. BTW, I'm both a gamer and a geek and proud of being both.

This is the only news story I want duped on a daily basis.

Also send a copy to several of my ex-girlfriends.

"Hell hath no fury like a woman's scorn for Sega." - Brodie

Old news (0, Troll)

p0six (23324) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390511)

Not to troll, but this was posted on CNN on Sunday Night. I somehow find it hard to believe that no one submitted this for 48 hours. Are the editors just slow? No one is really interested in old news, I think.

Re:Old news (1)

sweeney37 (325921) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390534)

actually it's a dupe from the Games Section [slashdot.org]

Mike

Re:Old news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390642)

The editors don't always post stories immediately. Something like this isn't particularly time sensitive, so they can save it until there's a slow spot during the day.

Very Old news: it's an AP story fer chrissake (1)

arrogance (590092) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390683)

slashdot gaming section [slashdot.org] , globe and mail [globetechnology.com] , cnn [cnn.com] , google's collection of 400 links to the story [google.com] . Wow, really ahead of the curve here.

WRT to addiction side of it though, here's an interesting study of gaming addiction [nickyee.com] .

Not all good news. From the article: (1, Interesting)

PhysicsGenius (565228) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390516)

Nearly 70 percent of those questioned said they were in elementary school when they first played video games. By junior high and high school, about half said they had tried computer games -- software-driven games from cards to shoot-'em-up adventures such as Doom -- and 43 percent said they had tried online games over the Internet. However, 92 percent of those that played games said that it replaced their regular social life, including dating. Most of the survey participants still had never gone on a date.

Re:Not all good news. From the article: (4, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390630)

I consider that bullshit.

It's either they were talking to the wrong people or the wrong people were responding to the survey.

I was a "gamer" since the C64 days. I was not allowed to have a console machine when I was younger (parents told me I had a computer and it played games, that was that... fair enough). I got hooked on Quake1CTF in my freshman year of college... I still went out w/my friends drinking, I was an active D1 athlete, and I was dating. I had several friends that I played CTF with that were exactly the same.

I figure that they interviewed Internet junkies or the "typical gamer" which is not interesting to the opposite sex.

I want better information on the type of individuals interviewed before we start jumping to conclusions.

Re:Not all good news. From the article: (2, Informative)

gowen (141411) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390686)

It's either they were talking to the wrong people or the wrong people were responding to the survey
Or that PhysicsGenius, a long term troll, simply made this up to entrap people who make knee jerk assessments but haven't read the article.

This means you.

Re:Not all good news. From the article: (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390700)

I RTFA. Please look at my UID before jumping to conclusions.

Re:Not all good news. From the article: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390745)

HAHAHAHA. Like a low number User ID means anything. It just shows that even people who have been on slashdot for a long time can still fall prey to a weak troll. Read the article again and see if that 92% is anywhere in there. I can't believe that you said "look at my UID." Oh that is classic. It is like saying "I can't be dumb, look how long I've been reading slashdot."

Re:Not all good news. From the article: (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390781)

I didn't post that. I think someone is being a jerkoff.

You bastard! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390783)

You should have logged in to post that! I would have sigged you.

Re:Not all good news. From the article: (1)

gowen (141411) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390792)

But you didn't really read it sufficiently closely to notice that the bit quoted by PhysicsGenius about never having had dates wasn't in the article .

HE MADE IT UP

It was made up, in order to troll the gullible, many of whom may actually have a low UID (isn't that a method of contraception?)

Re:Not all good news. From the article: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390711)

The last line is not a quote from the article. PhsysicsGenius is a known troll karma whoring to get himself out of negative karma land. Please do not feed the trolls.

Parent post is a lie. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390767)


This is NOT actually in the article.

Re:Not all good news. From the article: (1)

ChuckDivine (221595) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390787)

Really from the article:

Nearly 70 percent of those questioned said they were in elementary school when they first played video games. By junior high and high school, about half said they had tried computer games -- software-driven games from cards to shoot-'em-up adventures such as Doom -- and 43 percent said they had tried online games over the Internet.

Apparently added by PhysicsGenius:

However, 92 percent of those that played games said that it replaced their regular social life, including dating. Most of the survey participants still had never gone on a date.

Or were the last two sentences deleted from the CNN story before I read it?

THAT IS NOT IN THE ARTICLE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390794)

don't mod it up

mod it down

Newsflash (4, Funny)

pubjames (468013) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390521)

Newsflash: Not all users of pornography are losers who can't get girlfriends!

Not that I look at porn. I'm not suggesting that. Oh no.

Even some girls like porn. A girl told me. Well, a friend who knows a girl told me.

Re:Newsflash (1)

JMJ (15496) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390594)

Well, a friend who knows a girl told me.

Well, a friend I know on IRC, who says he knows a girl told me.

Another newsflash: (5, Funny)

swordboy (472941) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390612)

Not all netadmin's are geeks either. Some of them are MCSEs.

Pr0n is a multi-billion dollar industry (3, Insightful)

xtal (49134) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390725)

..that doesn't exist, and produces product nobody consumes.

hahahaha!

Re:Newsflash (2, Funny)

SlayerofGods (682938) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390790)

Actually I read somewhere that women actualy buy more porn then men(cause I guess we down load it all) I would give you a link but its hard to google "women and porn" with out over 1 million porn site links.

Also on the BBC... (0)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390522)

Get it here.

Re:Also on the BBC... (2, Informative)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390558)

Doh! I mean here [bbc.co.uk] .

Re:Also on the BBC... (0)

hnoon (595720) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390582)

The link. [bbc.co.uk]

whatever (3, Interesting)

claude_juan (582361) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390523)

bullcaca!

yes there are lots of non geeks who play video games. but all the people who i know who are "gamers" do spend their days in dimly lit rooms, not showering, and eating crap all day.

the non geeks play gran turismo for an hour or so while chilling with a few friends on a lazy day. don't deny the existance of geeky gamers. they created the stereotype because of the truth.

...and? (1)

Kai_MH (632216) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390525)

Oh, wait. So, schools can finally start profiling all 'students' labeled as 'Gamers'? Oh, boy. This is just getting better and better. Who cares, honestly?

Comparison study... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390526)

I'd like to see a comparison study of gamers vs. non gamers from the same demographic. Included would be what thier GPA is/was, how far their career has progressed, amount of income, etc... My experience is anedoctal, but in virtually all cases, non-gamers seem to do better then gamers.

I disagree. (2, Informative)

pecosdave (536896) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390807)

In my findings, at least in the tech field, hardcore gamers tend to fair better than non gamers. Hardcore gamers tend to know something about hardware and how to get the most out of it. Even when it's not strictly hardware, the hardcore gamers I've known have known enough to fix a multitude of network and other issues. You can't overclock and case mod sucessfully if you don't know your hardware.

That was the tech field. In other fields I find that casual gamers fair better in many cases than non-gamers or hardcore gamers (yes, hardcore gamers have their place). Face it. Gaming requires large amounts of abstract, or at least alternative thinking. I've found myself implementing the types of strategies I've used in video games to organize my work habbits. Item placements, order of operations, that sort of thing, all honed from video games. Hardcore gamers in other-than computer fields can do well, but based on what I've seen they don't work in other fields, and when they do it's usually flipping burgers or something until they can get another techie job.

I don't think I've worked with a single person on a job simular basis who wasn't at least a casual gamer since I've been in the tech field. I've only seen non-gamers in other fields, usually the ones that hired me to take care of their computers.

Gamers aren't (always) homosexual either (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390529)

That subject is not a troll or flamebait. I'm just trying to point out the absolute silliness of the U.S. media, and the public in general towards "geeks".

MOD PARENT FLAMEBAIT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390626)

You worthless sack of dung.

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MOD PARENT HOMOSEXUAL GAMER (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390706)

Get the real news from the BBC, moron.

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MOD PARENT GAP-TOOTHED LIMEY (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390804)

Black Adder's the only good thing to come out of that place.

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Guy in article (1)

maddskillz (207500) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390538)

Was he supposed to be an example of a non-geek gamer? He looks like an even bigger geek then me!

Hmmm (4, Interesting)

Matey-O (518004) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390541)

So Pale Nerdy folks _aren't_ responsible for all the NHL, NFL, Baseball, and NBA games sold each year? (Which HAS to be a racket bigger than Quicken [current year]/TurboTax [current year])

And here I thought they were just playing out their latent desire to be coordinated.

Uh oh... (2, Funny)

chrisgeleven (514645) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390545)

...guess I should go outside for the first time in my 21 years of life

Obvious (4, Funny)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390550)

but the image of a nerdy guy who spends all day in a dimly lit room blowing up computer-generated bad guys is off base

We all know daytime is for posting on /. and downloading pr0n and the odd bit of coding. All night should be spent in a dimly it room blowing up computer-generated bad guys

A Computer is a Tool (-1, Flamebait)

jetkust (596906) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390553)

What meaning does the word "geek" have when just about anybody uses computers these days?

Yes, we believe you, mass-media (4, Insightful)

Lieutenant_Dan (583843) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390554)

Articles such as these, just make me mad. Why do people have to conform in society in order to be accepted? Why can't we leverage from richness in variety within our organizational fabric in order to attain greater heights intellectually?

Different points of view are important for progress in technology and science. It's absolutely vital that we continue to nourish the development of the nerdy kid in the dimly lit basement playing Star Wars galaxies. It's more valuable to have him focus on this activity than to obtain social skills that will just hamper him in the pursuit of his research once he completes his post-graduate degree.

I say, bring back the pale geek! Cherish him! Protect him! Buy him the latest Everquest expansion pack! But do not send him out in the wild where he, God forbid, has to interact with other people. They're are a precious resource and should be treated as such.

Re:Yes, we believe you, mass-media (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390666)

a lot of people are scared of all things different and unusual.

these people take comfort in conformity.

when I was in highschool, in my smallish hometown, me and a few people were often laughed at and pointed at for dressing and looking different.

we couldn't help but laugh a few years later when we saw the same people who were pointing at us start dressing and looking just like we were years before, because those looks were becoming trendy.

of course, we had moved on to other looks by then, and we were still being pointed at...

I agree: (1)

Schezar (249629) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390697)

More anti-social geeks means more tech jobs for us social geeks.

Who is IBM going to hire? The smelly, snorting, pale guy who can't relate to anyone, or the equally qualified, good-looking (or at least clean/not fat), sociable, interesting guy? (Or girl.. Diction arguments will make me laugh at you.)

IT or coding skill isn't the primary factor in employment. The big fat gamer guy will smell up the office and scare vendors with his creepy rants on the art of maxing-out stats in Final Fantasy XX-II-1.4.

So yes, we should encourage geeks to be anti-social, physically weak and large, pale, and otherwise poor career candidates. Labour-scarcity-induced-raise, here I come!

Warning, Citizen. (1)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390753)

Articles such as these, just make me mad. Why do people have to conform in society in order to be accepted? Why can't we leverage from richness in variety within our organizational fabric in order to attain greater heights intellectually?

This utterance is way out of spec for a class-C biped. Please re-structure your comment for an elementary grade-4 level reader so that it may be more easily assimilated by the masses. Thank you.

And this is news? (4, Insightful)

PincheGab (640283) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390557)

Wouldn't you think this is the case if there are waaaay more games sold than there are nerds?

Yes people: Even beautiful girls play Wolfenstein!

Re:And this is news? (-1)

yatest5 (455123) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390680)

Yes people: Even beautiful girls play Wolfenstein!

No they don't. You are *seriously* deluded.

Shocking! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390564)

You mean to say a common stereotype about a social minority which, when it came into existance 20 years ago, was misunderstood and ostracized is UNTRUE? I never would have guessed! What clued you? Was it the fact that Sony makes more off video games than anything else (including TVs)? Maybe it was the fact that Microsoft, one of the largest companies in the world, is entering the market. Or maybe it just finally clicked that if something is that popular it's likely someone other than that weirdo in your neighbor's basement is doing it.

Perhaps CNN stands for Columbus News Network, motto: discovering things other people have known for years.

crazy (2, Insightful)

Boromir son of Faram (645464) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390574)

What exactly is the point of this story? Not all alcoholics beat their wives, but that doesn't mean we should give people cart blanch to get drunk.

It's obvious and scientifically verified that those who play video games are far more likely than their non-gaming piers to avoid social interaction, do poorly in school, resort to violent behavior, and lead unhealthy lifestyles (leading to problems like obesity and depression later in life).

This study shows that there exists a glimmer of hope for chronic gamers, which is good. However, spinning it as if it makes gaming healthy is irresponsible, and indicates a bias on Slashdot's part.

Re:crazy (1)

botzi (673768) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390665)

Not all alcoholics beat their wives, but that doesn't mean we should give people cart blanch to get drunk.

Don't we???
And we should not give people cart blanch to smoke, eat tomates, walk with more than 2m/h etc...
So what is it like being a cop or a pope????

It's obvious and scientifically verified that those who play video games are far more likely than their non-gaming piers to avoid social interaction, do poorly in school, resort to violent behavior, and lead unhealthy lifestyles (leading to problems like obesity and depression later in life).

Those are STATISTICS not proofs

However, spinning it as if it makes gaming healthy is irresponsible, and indicates a bias on Slashdot's part.

The only point where're you have come close to the true. It IS irresponsible to say it's healthy, but it's the same shit to suppose it's a bad habit and enemy No:1 to society

Re:crazy (1)

EllF (205050) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390701)

I'd say, "Nice troll!", but it isn't. No matter -- regardless of whether or not you meant to be trolling, there do seem to be a good number of people who agree with what you've posted. It deserves a response.

"[...]spinning it as if it makes gaming healthy is irresponsible[...]"

What's so unhealthy about gaming? You mention poor school performance, violent behavior, etc. -- can you back any of those up with studies?

So long as we're going on shaky claims, here's mine: I've been gaming since I was 5 or 6 years old, and I'm 21 now. Most of my friends have similar backgrounds. Hell, we were born in the early 80s -- nearly everyone in my generation can say the same thing! By and large, we're good students, in college, and not a one of us has ever been in a fight.

Video games, like anything else, are a hobby. Their existance, and our enjoyment of them, does not make us violent or lazy. Furthermore, I'd *much* rather see someone I knew to have an addictive personality playing Tetris than spending the weekend with a bottle of Jack.

I'd say that it is neither "obvious" nor "scientifically verified" that video gamers are somehow more prone to social degeneracy that anyone else.

"[...] that doesn't mean we should give people cart blanch to get drunk."

Actually, that's exactly what it means. It's also exactly what we do. If you want to get drunk, once you're 21 or over, you are entirely welcome to. Nobody arrests you for it. We do have laws saying, "you cannot commit a crime while drunk, or operate a motor vehicle". Even so, there is no reason why I can't go home and have a dozen bottles of beer if I so choose.

Re:crazy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390761)

If you want to get drunk, once you're 21 or over, you are entirely welcome to. Nobody arrests you for it.

Yes, but there is a social stigma associated with excessive drinking. There has historically been similar social pressure discouraging excessive game playing, and we should not let articles like these reduce that pressure.

-BsoF

I think you need to be more open minded (1)

PhysicsGenius (565228) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390717)

You may have put the cart before the hoarse here, has anyone proved that gaming causes the poor socialization and obesity? It seems far more likely to me that those types are resorting to games as their last hope. Look at how many comments there are here about "online games *are* social", as though brief, obscene text messages about "fragging" could take the place of real interaction. It's obvious that that pretending their are Somebody online is the only thing that keeps them going and taking that away from them is just mean spirited on your part.

So this "girl" I met in EverQuest... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390576)

could actually be a 100% real female in real life?!

groovy.

More Info (4, Informative)

fobbman (131816) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390583)

More info on this topic can be seen here [slashdot.org] .

In other news, it has been determined that not all of the editors at Slashdot post dupes.

Missed the point. (1)

Quasar1999 (520073) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390585)

The point is that most are MALE... It's still anti-social if all you do is hang around guys...

Re:Missed the point. (1)

the_rev_matt (239420) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390702)

Unless, of course, they are gay. Always a possibility.

Re:Missed the point. (2, Informative)

urbazewski (554143) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390741)

most interesting point of the article, IMHO:

Of those surveyed, 60 percent of women said they played online and computer software-based games, compared with 40 percent of men. About the same number of men and women said they played video games on PlayStation, Xbox and other systems.

Re:Missed the point. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390760)

> The point is that most are MALE... It's still anti-social if all you do is hang around guys...

Well, the better. Less competition for us hackers about this scarce resource called 0xGirls, then ...

Not all gamers are geeks - some are homies. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390593)

If you watch Yo MTV Raps or whatever the fuck they have on TV now, you always see unemployed homies sitting around a brand new gaming console. So...gamers are either friendless white losers or unemployed minorities.

(I object to the use of the word "geek" next to gamer - it suggests gamers are intelligent!)

platform, genre, etc... (4, Insightful)

thoolihan (611712) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390602)

I think it still depends on how you do your gaming. Non-geeks are way more likely to be into console games than PC.

Also, the genres of games being made show that it's not just for geeks anymore. A lot more sports games, GTA3, etc.

I think the tendency for FPS and RolePlaying games to be online first, still shows the PC is home of the geek gamers (leading tech edge).
-t

See! (1)

c4Ff3In3 4ddiC+ (661808) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390605)

I told you so Mom! I'm not a geek!!!

In other news... (1)

Blind Linux (593315) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390609)

A recent study found that not all jocks are mental midgets. Recent findings also indicate that cheerleaders may not actually tend towards sexual promiscuity!
But seriously... it took them this long to figure that out?

...but there's still hope! (4, Funny)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390610)

> [...] not all gamers are the anti-social folk they are hyped to be by parents and the media. [ ... ] the image of a nerdy guy who spends all day in a dimly lit room blowing up computer-generated bad guys is off base, according to a new study.

But there's still hope! And you - yes, YOU - can make a difference!

Clearly, we've been slacking off. This article is a clarion call for all us nerdy guys who do spend all day in dimly lit rooms blowing up computer-generated bad guys, to stop reading this and get the hell back to those pimp gaming rigs we spent hours casemodding, and get back to what's important in life: fragging n00b azz!

We've got an image to uphold, dammit!

Geek = what ? (1)

mirko (198274) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390622)

Submitter wrote :

  1. Gamers aren't (...) Geeks
  2. not all gamers are the anti-social folk


So, was the submitter subliminally associating a Geek with some punk ?
Last time I checked it consisted of 2 different things (not incompatible, BTW).

Typical College Distractions (1)

borkus (179118) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390627)

r/gamer/stoner/gi

Next? (0, Offtopic)

grub (11606) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390636)


"Not all goatse.cx [goatse.cx] viewers are slashdot-geeks! Film at 11!"

Invalid Survey (0)

Jim_Hawkins (649847) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390646)

but the image of a nerdy guy who spends all day in a dimly lit room blowing up computer-generated bad guys is off base

Apparently they forgot to survey the Rochester Institute of Technology where 2/3 of the school is "nerdy guys who spend all day in a dimly lit room blowing up computer-generated bad guys."

The other 33%? According to RIT, it's women. I have yet to believe.

Proud to be a RITean!

Gotta say it (1)

nanojath (265940) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390663)

"Not all gamers are the anti-social folk they are hyped to be by parents and the media"


As reported by wo1verin3

Whatever. (2, Insightful)

notque (636838) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390684)

wo1verin3 writes "CNN is reporting that not all Slashdot readers are the anti-social folk they are hyped to be by parents and the media. Roughly two-thirds of college students play video games, but the image of a nerdy guy who spends all day in a dimly lit room blowing up computer-generated bad guys is off base, according to a new study. Full story here."

Every lan party I have ever been to has been anti-social folk. That is why we are at a lan party, and not out drinking, and sleeping with the opposite sex.

Nerdy guys, and Nerdy girls shooting each other, and vying for mines.

Since we've grown up, we are more attractive, hold better jobs, drive nicer cars, etc.

But we are still all a mangled verison of that.

Quick... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390692)

...someone /. this thread so I can go back to playing Uplink. It's vital training for my future employment!

>

Stands to reason (1)

JSkills (69686) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390693)

With the realism that is coming to many of the console games as well as the ubiquity of the PS2 and other consoles, it stands to reason that more and more of the mainstream will join the ranks of the gamers. The sports titles (which are marketed out the ass) seem to attract the biggest following of non-geeks.

However, the draw to computer science (and thus geekdom) is largely steeped in gaming. For example, a few years ago I returned to my high school for "career day". I was the guy who gave the talk on what students needed to focus on in college in order to end up sucessfully working as a software developer. First, I asked this question:

"Who here wants to be a software developer?"
They all raised their hands.
"How many of you want to work in the financial sector?"
All but one kid put his hand down.
"Ok, how many of you want to develop games?
Almost all the hands went back up.

I too was drawn into writing code for a living because of games. I wrote countless games in Basic on my Commodore Vic20 (and saved them to cassette tape!) when I was in grade school, but the cold reality of the industry became clear to me after graduating college in the early 90's - that game development is a competitive low paying path for the most part :-(

So maybe attracting kids into computer science is one aspect of gaming that could be viewed positively - as opposed to the visions of the unshowered jobless clowns playing Evercrack all day.

This BETTER not surprise anyone (4, Interesting)

chia_monkey (593501) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390696)

Oh come on...this better not come as a surprise. Has the media really warped everyone's minds enough to have us all believe the only people that play games are geeks? Since the dawn of time, games were fun. My parents used to play the Atari 2600 (Mmm...remember Yar's Revenge?) with me all the time. And they are far from being geeks. And my grandmother was addicted to Burger Time on Intellivision.

I think the perception is that when you walk by the computer cluster at school, you see the kids playing Netrek and go "games are for geeks" and then you step outside and see the "jocks" playing football. What you DON'T see is everyone grabbing a beer and blowing each other up at Halo or Twisted Metal. In fact, I can think of more metal-heads and punks playing games than geeks...

So very sad... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390714)

The fact that a study needed to be done to discover this is just very sad. I didn't think people were actually dumb enough to believe all the stereotypes that the media feeds them. Whats even sadder is that the media will not change this perception anytime soon, but I digress, I must get back to my game of WC3x

The "surprise" is that CNN is surprised... (5, Interesting)

tibike77 (611880) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390729)

CNN has "Surprising findings about video game players"

Well, if you are a 40+ year old person who uses the computer only to play Solitaire and solve spreadsheets, yes, that could be surprising (the fact that most computer players are NOT geeks or recluses).
This should however come as a natural for everybody who maybe learned to type sooner than (s)he could handwrite...

The "game world" is just an extension of the real world, with several advantages (interaction possibilities, a huge potential community, somebody "available" to talk to at any given time) and disadvantages (Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna' get (F.Gump) - never know who will be or how will be the next person you encounter and interact with).
I hope I don't need to remind anybody that information can be both a curse or a blessing, and that's what you get when you're "on-line-gaming" - sometimes too much information... It's up to you to deal with it.

In conclusion: everybody's playing, has played or will be playing...something... sooner or later. There are no limits to the categories that will play computer games.
So, stop acting surprised :)
On-line games are all about interaction and socual aspects, how do you expect to find somebody else playing it?
I mean, you wouldn't expect to find nuns playing American football, but you would definetely expect mathematicians playing chess...

Im a Jock!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390733)

And i own all geek at CS !!!!

YOU ALL FAIL IT!!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390747)

You have ALL SO FAILED IT!!!! There is no chance now. Make your time.

Oh, great... (3, Funny)

halivar (535827) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390773)

...now I'm not even cool compared to other gamers.

Thanks Slashdot, you ruined my day.

Creeping Doom (3, Interesting)

mobileskimo (461008) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390775)

IMHO I believe everyone is attacking the wrong side of the problem. Social issues are just budding only recently. Why is this? Gamings been around for a while. It hasn't been common widespread until the last 5 years. And now its about to explode. What is going on here? Much of it has to do with the fact that these games are now Internet Multiplayer.

[1] Internet has made the gaming activity less non-social over conventional games from past. I guess this is good atleast people are interacting with others instead of just "the machine"
[2] It has also made gaming more anti-social by reducing accountability through anonymous screen names and providing a means to act out fantasy irresponsibilities. ie. killing, stealing, maiming, torturing among other players. This is bad. Even if we understand this is fantasy, are we letting the dark side enjoy too much time out of its box? Nobody would call you deranged if you pulled the wings off a fly. Do it all day and I'd say its getting to you.
[2] It has made the activity more addicting due to the unpredictable nature of other player interactions, almost replacing social real life interaction.

So now they are spending the time socializing in virtual environments, when they could be with their next door neighboor in the vacinity of moms, dads, other kids, older, younger, shop owners, policemen, firefighters, accounts, doctors, garbage collectors, and any other people that might be wandering as they ride on their bike down their street.

My point being our children are growing up spending a good chunk of time in an environment where consequences are not real. And please nothing about "They know the difference between real and games". Judgement be what it is, behavior is learned. Especially when its repetitive. Everyday. For 3-5 hours a day.

Linquistics (1)

Draconix (653959) | more than 11 years ago | (#6390796)

I'd have thought it was rather obvious that a great deal of gamers aren't geeks...

unlss 1 konsidrs typen liek dis geeky lol omg rofl u n00b!11!1!

Anti-Social vs. Non-Social (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6390801)

Anti-Social: Unabomber
Non-Social: Warcraft gamer

Get it right.
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