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Linux vs. SCO: The Decision Matrix

michael posted about 11 years ago | from the drawing-conclusions dept.

Caldera 457

hexidec writes "Haven't seen this here yet, though I may have missed it. Anyway... A group of Australian techies have put together an analysis matrix of the likelyhood of each SCO Unix claim being true, and what outcome would most likely result if so. Puts a lot of the various recent suppositions in one handy place."

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457 comments

post early (-1, Offtopic)

Gizzmonic (412910) | about 11 years ago | (#6394433)

and post often, that's what I say! Postliness next to Godliness! A-yup.

YOU NAILED IT! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394519)

Unlike the Failure Troll, I'm here to provide support and encouragement. Do you feel revitalized by my post?

Re:YOU NAILED IT! (-1, Offtopic)

Gizzmonic (412910) | about 11 years ago | (#6394625)

Your post...it's working! I can feel it here, and here!

I'm all set to conquer the world, now!

Icon for this argument (-1, Offtopic)

wawannem (591061) | about 11 years ago | (#6394436)

When are we gonna have an Icon that represents this SCO v IBM crap.

SCO (-1, Offtopic)

El_Ge_Ex (218107) | about 11 years ago | (#6394441)


Likelyhood:

About the same as me enjoying these SCO stories

F P???

Mirror for the slashdot effect (5, Informative)

zubernerd (518077) | about 11 years ago | (#6394449)

Ahhh... I feel the slashdot effect. Since this doc has tables, I put a mirror up. http://mirrors.tatay.org/lnxsco.html [tatay.org] Cheers y'all!

Re:Mirror for the slashdot effect (-1, Troll)

Mod Me God Too (687245) | about 11 years ago | (#6394515)

Your karma whore mirror [haha, wouldn't be complaining if it worked!] seems to have been /.ed itself within 3 minutes of your post!

Bummer.

I guess there is a glitch in the Matrix.

Re:Mirror for the slashdot effect (-1, Flamebait)

Mod Me God Too (687245) | about 11 years ago | (#6394587)

The mods are on crack again.

Pointless effort (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394516)

Why host the page on your own site when google already HAS THE CACHE [216.239.51.104]

Re:Pointless effort (4, Funny)

zubernerd (518077) | about 11 years ago | (#6394597)

I wanted to see how long it took for my link to be saturated. Can't do that with google.

Re:Pointless effort (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394675)

I'm sure my mirror won't fail nearly as fast as yours did with only that small amount of text and no images. Get a real host and try again.

Re:Pointless effort (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394713)

Why not just search for "How long will it take for me to saturate my link?" on google?

Re:Mirror for the slashdot effect (-1, Flamebait)

dimer0 (461593) | about 11 years ago | (#6394532)

Nice slashdotted mirror, karma-whore.

That's not the slashdot effect (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394561)

... it's bullet time!

Re:Mirror for the slashdot effect (2, Insightful)

dschuetz (10924) | about 11 years ago | (#6394564)

As long as we're mirroring it, anyone feel like transposing it from a 10-by-5 into a 5-by-10 table? Would make reading it MUCH easier.

Re:Mirror for the slashdot effect (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394593)

You will notice that the purported decision matrix (implying a logical document with conclusions deduced by scientifc logic from given hypotheses) says at the bottom of all possible outcomes 'linux is unaffected'.

In case you hadn't guessed, this is far from the logical document the name suggests, but really a portrayal of one person's viepoint. The conclusion, namely that linux is unaffected in all cases is clearly false, as I can think, regardless of my own *opinions* of what chance such an event is said to have, that a judge *could* decide linux was infringing, and that it would be illegal to use it without paying Sco royalties.

There are many pro-Linux assumptions such as that Sco opened the source by distribution Caldera made any putative copyright violation legal since they were doing it themselves. This is an assumption you cannot make without a legal decision.

This document adds nothing to the debate - the only thing that will is a decision in a year or so's time in court, and in the mean time Sco can frighten people into not using Linux

Re:Mirror for the slashdot effect (1)

Anthony Boyd (242971) | about 11 years ago | (#6394599)

Geeze. Even the mirrors are getting slashdotted!

Re:Mirror for the slashdot effect (Freenet Mirror) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394663)

Here is a mirror link for Freenet users:

http://127.0.0.1:8888/CHK@Jct8ig~B7MHAPwJR7ujiaw RJCrEPAwI,teuZ6buZbWFlqH5QRmItsQ [127.0.0.1]

Other then providing anonymity, Freenet's distributed structure makes it immune to the slashdot effect!

I choose the blue pill! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394451)

Descision, Matrix, huh? Enough of this architect bs! SCO and their agents will fall to Neo's kung fu!

Re:I choose the blue pill! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394492)

Yeah! Well I choose the CowboyNeal option!

SCO Matrix... (5, Funny)

TWX (665546) | about 11 years ago | (#6394452)

We'll cast Hugo Weaving as SCO, Keanu Reeves as Tux, and Laurence Fishburne as IBM. Carrie-Anne Moss would make an excellent IBM, since IBM's products are fairly sleek and sexy right now, and I'd really like to get into IBM...

Re:SCO Matrix... (1)

TWX (665546) | about 11 years ago | (#6394482)

Wow. I so totally screwed that up. Fishburne was supposed to be the FSF... Carrie Anne Moss would be good as IBM.

And in the words of Agent Smith, "Dammit."

Re:SCO Matrix... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394495)

And Novell as Cypher?

Re:SCO Matrix... (1)

Xformer (595973) | about 11 years ago | (#6394709)

You're thinking about Microsoft. Cypher ended up betraying to the machines, remember? Novell's been trying to get SCO to calm down, since they actually own the rights to what's being disputed.

Re:SCO Matrix... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394580)

And the Japanese tub girl is IBM, and she knows no English, all she can say is "IBM.. IBM..." as she craps all over Carrie-Ann Moss.

Re:SCO Matrix... (5, Funny)

hendridm (302246) | about 11 years ago | (#6394687)

> Carrie-Anne Moss would make an excellent IBM, since IBM's products are fairly sleek and sexy right now, and I'd really like to get into IBM...

That is quite possibly the geekiest thing I've ever read on Slashdot...

Can't say I disagree though ;)

Fuckity (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394453)

I hate this mysterious future. Slashdotted with zero comments. :(

Yet another great artical (-1, Offtopic)

bic2k (140221) | about 11 years ago | (#6394456)

SLASHDOTTED!

In related news.... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394458)

An organization chooses SCO Openserver over linux [osnews.com] .

Its something to think about.

RTFA? they picked Redhat (2, Insightful)

JimmytheGeek (180805) | about 11 years ago | (#6394589)

It looked like they were pursuaded to pay more for the Redhat enterprise option rather than go with a cheaper SCO upgrade. The gist is that SCO was mired in rebranding, and not doing anything innovative or otherwise improving the product.

They had already determined that the crucial app would run well on either platform and the migration pain was not significant enough to mention.

Furst! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394460)

Fur gott, vaderland und mein furst.

Article is slashdotted.. (1)

Gortbusters.org (637314) | about 11 years ago | (#6394465)

but let's just cut to the chase: Linux wins. SCO might give IBM a bloody nose, but they're not gonna knock that giant down.

Slashdotted (2, Informative)

dimmu (214039) | about 11 years ago | (#6394467)

It looks like the site is already slashdotted. I have mirrored the page at http://www.sais.nl/linux_vs_sco_matrix.html [www.sais.nl]

FUD factor not included (2, Insightful)

wilfie (622159) | about 11 years ago | (#6394468)

It's good that the FUD is being fought, but there could still be an effect which is not accounted for here.

Response To Total Information Awareness: +1, Fun (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394676)

For dossiers on government officials Government Information Awareness [mit.edu]

Cheers,
W00t

google cache (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394473)

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:mkRx2aiBJC0J: www.cybersource.com.au/users/conz/linux_vs_sco_mat rix.html+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

google cache version (0, Redundant)

DOsinga (134115) | about 11 years ago | (#6394474)

Hi,

Site seems down already. Read it at google:
[216.239.37.104]

Re:google cache version (1)

DOsinga (134115) | about 11 years ago | (#6394513)

Oops slashdot didn't like my html:

http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:mkRx2aiBJC0 J: www.cybersource.com.au/users/conz/linux_vs_sco_mat rix.html+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Re:google cache version (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394556)

Haha karma whoring asshole forgot the link. Rot in hell ass...

Slashdotted (0, Redundant)

rabbit994 (686936) | about 11 years ago | (#6394475)

Looks like it was slashdotted already. It basically says we all knew along. SCO is full of S*** and going to be laughed out of court.

Appropriate (1)

ElectricPoppy (679857) | about 11 years ago | (#6394476)

SCO's reality fits in quite well with the whole notion of the Matrix. Replace Agent Smith and friends with a bunch of rabid lawyers. Though I can't really picture Torvalds doing Martial Arts.

it's dead (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394477)

thanks subscribers! You fucked it for the rest of us!

first post? (0)

y2dt (184562) | about 11 years ago | (#6394478)

the site is slashdotted and there aren't even any posts. doesn't anybody post BEFORE reading the article anymore??

=)

Re:first post? (1)

dimmu (214039) | about 11 years ago | (#6394647)

Well actually people can read the article before they CAN post comments. Thanks to Slashdot subscription (which is always a nice way to read slashdot articles without slashdotted links :)

Matrix (3, Funny)

darth_MALL (657218) | about 11 years ago | (#6394488)

Is there a site listing a matrix of the possible links that could survive a slashdotting?

Anothr example of... (5, Insightful)

cruppel (603595) | about 11 years ago | (#6394503)

...blind speculation, I think.

Those ratings at the top indicating the likelihood of these allegations (or whatever you want to call them) don't really mean anything. They're just speculation and opinion, much like the 17,000 /. comments dealing with this whole deal. It reads nice and legal-sounding, but to me it looks like a table formatted thread straight off this site.

Not only that... (5, Funny)

Atario (673917) | about 11 years ago | (#6394582)

...but they forgot a row in the table:

Effect on SCO:
Everyone hates them
Everyone hates them
Everyone hates them
Everyone hates them
Everyone hates them
Everyone hates them

Re:Not only that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394762)

Very funny :)

And also very true.

Re:Anothr example of... (4, Insightful)

MeanMF (631837) | about 11 years ago | (#6394583)

blind speculation, I think

I would lean more towards wishful thinking than blind speculation, but I think you're on the right track. They're not basing this on any actual evidence because the evidence has not been made available to the public yet.

Re:Anothr example of... (1)

no reason to be here (218628) | about 11 years ago | (#6394634)

They're not basing this on any actual evidence because the evidence has not been made available to the public yet.

Probably b/c there is no actual evidence.

Re:Anothr example of... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394725)

what .. information from The Intarweb being
pure speculation and worthless opinion and
probably being more full of holes than your
girlfriend's diaphragm? ..

it Can't be True

especially not when it has gone through the rigors
of being validated for posting on slashdot

because we all know how competent the editors
are

oh yeah

Sticking their heads in the sand (4, Interesting)

siskbc (598067) | about 11 years ago | (#6394756)

A lot of what they say is complete bullshit. I would love to see Linux come out of this stronger than ever, I really would, but this guy's way off the mark on a lot of things.

First, he claims that Linux is fine becuase SCO indemnified users. No, only customers of SCO linux. There's a big difference there.

Then, he claims that Linux is OK because it only affects IBM from a breach-of-contract standpoint. Yeah, except for it establishing a finding of fact that can be used in later suits against linux users/distros.

Finally, he makes the old, tired argument that the GPL saves us. That's all well and good except that the GPL, being a bit of a non-standard contract, has never been tested in court.

A great deal of what they wrote is either false or misinterpreted. Like the article in Forbes (I think) last month said, the linux community is NOT served by sticking its collective head in the sand and expecting IBM and the GPL to come riding in on their respective white horses to save us. There are real risks here - granted, some of them are farfetched, but stranger things have happened.

Hmmm... (2, Interesting)

Tiresias_Mons (247567) | about 11 years ago | (#6394507)

...all the linux is unaffected conclusions, while probably right, make is seem a little like the following line of analysis:

1) Something here
2) ...
3) Profit!

I don't know, just seemed like kinda a cheesy chart to me, although a lot of the points he made were decent enough, the analysis seemed cheesy.

Re:Hmmm... (1)

GreatOgre (75402) | about 11 years ago | (#6394751)

I don't know, just seemed like kinda a cheesy chart to me, although a lot of the points he made were decent enough, the analysis seemed cheesy.

I agree. Especially since almost every argument comes back to "SCO released this after discovering the infringement."

My opinion on SCO. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394512)

Here is my opinion on the SCO server, based on my true experiances with my development team.

First, there was a plan: how to bring together the different development groups at work? My boss said there was a sort of tension he thought could be eased by some social interaction. Not easy. Almost all of the different development groups despised each other, each thinking its "art" was more important and eloquent than the others'.

There was the kernel extension developer group, coding mostly in C and some PowerPC and x86 assembler. They worked on making our PCI board work with Linux, *BSD, Mac OS X, QNX, and Solaris. They worked "special hours," coming in at one and staying late, supposedly, until seven or eight at night. They enjoyed Jolt cola and had a penchant for ThinkGeek t-shirts and cracking jokes about Win32 API calls and the dreaded Blue Screen of Death.

We had XML developers too. They worked on our website, documentation formatting, and simple apps to configure the driver software. They used HTML, XSL, JavaScript, and a bit of Java. They typically dressed casually, drank coffee and tea, and liked to work straight from the spec: no "Learn XSL in 30 Days" books were to be found in their cubicle farm.

Then we had the guys who wrote full-out UNIX apps. These guys and the products they wrote had been acquired from another company, and were the source of most of the tension: they'd never really been integrated into our group except that they were physically present with the rest of us. They all had beards or mullets or long, unwashed hair. Many wore suspenders or the afore-mentioned ThinkGeek clothes; some even had Penguin tatooes or small C app code tattooed on them. Their cubicle farm was known for the bleating laughter that exploded when one of them found a "silly" bug on someone else's code, and for the rotten, fetid stench that could only be compared to three-day-old shit reeking from inside a rotting corpse's abdominal cavity.

So, in order to get the guys to "know each other" my boss had asked me to organize a during-hours, alcohol-friendly party. My ideas ranged from a keg or two to live entertainment, AKA strippers. But as to what to get them to actually talk to each other in a human manner I had no clue. So I let it go til the last minute and decided to let my inherent creativity mull it over in the back of my head.

When the day of the party had arrived, the catering company brought in a few trays of lunch meat, chicken, pizza, and side dishes, I had picked up the kegs (all four) from the local brewery, and the big-screen TV and DVD were set up ready to blast the Matrix into the eyes and ears of my co-workers. The eagerness in the the air was encouraging and I thought that loosening up and smiles going on even now were a good sign. I even saw some of the guys who'd known each other previously begin to bunch up, bringing along the co-workers they knew from everyday work.

The first thing everyone did was hit the food line, loading up their plates and grabbing a cup for beer to wash it down with. A few approached me and thanked me for the food; it seems appeasing the belly really did tame the beast. After a few minutes of silence and eating and a few second and third courses, they guys were ready to sit down and be entertained. After asking if anyone needed anything else before the movie started, the lights went out and the Matrix began playing. I heard a few enthusiastic comments and jokes being told.

About half-way through the movie I noticed a lot of the guys, especially from the UNIX app group, were getting up and presumably going to the restroom. No suprise, as the second keg was history by now and the third was probably half-way gone. I also noticed some of the guys bumping into things and stumbling. Alcohol's the social lubricant, eh? Well, not long after, my bladder beckoned and I answered. As I made my way to the restroom, I had a self-satisfied smile on my face: my little plan was working, my boss would be happy, and it might even a Christmas bonus or a promotion (even if in title only).

Well, as soon as I pushed the restroom door open, I knew something was wrong. The smell of vomit was pretty strong and I hoped that it'd only been the work of one guy. But the smell was so pungent! After standing at the urinal, waiting for the golden flow to commence, I stood in silence. It was then that I heard grunting. Listening intently for a few seconds, I hoped whoever was upchucking their beer and munchies wasn't leaving a huge mess for the cleanup crew. After pissing and still hearing the noise, I approached the stall the that moaning was coming from.

"Hey, you alright in there, man?" I asked cautiously.

I was met by silence for a moment. Then I heard a few grunts and concealed giggles. Something was up in there. It was then that I heard what sounded like crying and more moaning. What the fuck? I decided I needed to see what was going on. I didn't want this party to come crashing down around my ears. I pushed the door open hard and then gasped as I saw the most sordid, disgusting thing I'd ever seen in my life.

Standing on either side of the toilet were two if the UNIX app coders, their beards caked with vomit, their pants in puddles around ankles, with erect penises wagging in the air. Doubled over the toilet, his head nearly dunked in the swill, was one of the XML developers. His pants were also around his ankles and what appeared to be a combination of blood and semen were dripping from his torn, ragged anus. He was covered in vomit from head to toe, and he was crying hard into the toilet bowl, its echo an eerie accompaniment to the awful scene I was seeing but not believing.

They two Linux coders slowly turned and looked me straight in the eye, evil grins smeared across both of their bearded faces.

"What in Fuck's name are you doing!?" was all I could force out of my mouth. I still wasn't believing I was seeing this.

Saying nothing, both of the Linux coders rushed me. Being in such a tense state, I threw both of them off and made a break for the door. And the fucking thing wouldn't open. In the follow two seconds that seemed like an eternity, the door was pushed open my way and two more Linux coders came in. Upon seeing what was happening, they immediately grabbed me and were joined by the first two. I was trapped. Then the one guy, who was a dead-ringer for Rasputin, the mad Russian monk, gazed into my eyes and said in a feminine voice, "Looks like Mr. Party is gonna get a taste of the real action!" and cackled insanely.

Cold sweat spurted from the pores on my foreheads and cheeks as I was dragged by the four stinking, polluted hippies into the same stall their previous victim was in. Rasputin spoke again, excitement in his voice.

"Thanks for the pizza and beer, now it's time for the weeners and buns!"

Immediately the first two slogged their pants off and got down on their knees. The other two put there knees in my back and held me on top of the first victim, who now appeared to be unconscious. I heard their belts coming off and their zippers coming down, and some rustling around told me that their pants were coming down also. Then the first two started sucking off the other two, in what I could only call the most enthusiastic blowjobs I'd ever seen in my life. The moaning and slurping sounds turned my stomach and I retched. I could see why the first guy might have vomited.

Eventually Rasputin and his cohort started moaning more loudly, and one of them said "fifteen seconds." This was followed by a series of rapid-fire belching and burping that shook me up and down on the guy underneath me. After about fifteen seconds, all Hell broke loose. The two guys behind me started vomiting on the two guys fellating them and I saw cumshot shoot and mix with the vomit all over the two cocksuckers' faces. It was then that I almost lost. I finally did refund when the first two vile fluids were followed by streams of piss. I heard swallowing and dripping and I yacked all over their first victim's head.

Rasputin cried out like a little girl in ecstasy. "Oh god, I'd been waiting for that all night! This party fuckin' roxorz my coxor!"

Now it was my turn, it seemed, as all four started tearing my pants down. Chunks of vomit-piss-semen fell on my back and soaked through my t-shirt. It was reviling. I shuddered as I felt their cold, clammy hands in my ass-crack and a very indelicate reacharound on my ball-sack. At this point I had no idea who was doing what, and I was just praying that I'd wake up and realize I was drunk and dreaming a la nightmare.

Just then I heard the door boom open and my boss's voice fill the air. The stall door was open and he saw right away the turgid scene transpiring in front of him. His voice was immediately followed by two others, XML developers I knew, and they flew into the stall as best they could and began a fight to save my asshole. The poor guy underneath me had just woken up and started struggling and the extra weight of eight other bodies in the stall must have been suffocating.

"It'll be all right, buddy," I offered to him.

Within thirty seconds I was to my feet and was delivering the most heart-felt kicks to the guts of the rapist faggot Linux coders. Between me, my boss, and the two XML developers, we had the gang of four knocked out in a sloppy, excrement-filled pile of hairy body.

It's now been a month since this horrible incident and I am in regular therapy with a sexual abuse counselor. In response to the terrible outcome of this party, my boss toyed with the idea of selling the group off to another company, sans the four hippies who'd been fired and arrested. After considerable urging on my part, and very open ear from my boss, the whole group was dissolved and the Linux coders lost their jobs. Their product was delayed by a year as my boss began hiring a new development team. We'd found evidence that the whole group had been involved in the planning of the gang- bangs and that had it not been for us everyone would have had a "turn" in the stalls.

If there's one thing we learned from this tragedy is that Linux coders, users, and advocates are desperate cock-lusting homosexual faggots that can't be trusted in any situation, let alone a restroom setting. You've been warned.

On the positive side, though, the whole incident brought solidarity between the other groups in the company and I am now on schedule to get a huge Christmas package that not only includes a gigantic bonus but a month's worth of paid time off and a real promotion.

Finally, a decent SCO Analogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394526)


This guy heading up SCO is like a 1 year old who just keeps packing his diaper, over and over. However, no one changes him. He just gets stinkier and stinkier and pretty soon he's got poop shooting up his back and down both legs.

Linux, Sco, Matrix... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394530)

Classic SLashdot!

Matrix? (5, Funny)

Raster Burn (213891) | about 11 years ago | (#6394536)

Morpheus: SCO is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now in this very room. You can see it when you look out your operating system. Or when you boot your AIX box. You can feel it when you surf the web. When you compile your kernel. When you mount your filesystems. It is the lawsuit that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.

Missed.... (1)

GI Joe 51 (607144) | about 11 years ago | (#6394539)

The seemed to missed the 'Proven' one of 'This debate has been going on so long, we just want the damn thing to be over!

Jesus... (2, Funny)

tevenson (625386) | about 11 years ago | (#6394540)

I, seriously, just got the biggest headache ever. SCO must be desperate for something to do as of late.

It becomes easy once you realize... (5, Funny)

reimero (194707) | about 11 years ago | (#6394542)

There is no SCO.

Re:It becomes easy once you realize... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394691)

and no infringing code.

One trick pony table. (4, Insightful)

Godeke (32895) | about 11 years ago | (#6394544)

The argument contained within this table leans heavily on the "continued distribution of GPL code after realization of the consequences thereof". I believe they will try the "it took us time to remove it" argument, but that's pretty weak when you consider that the time elapsed isn't just the time from the public lawsuit, but that there must have been internal discussion as well...

Re:One trick pony table. (2, Insightful)

Error27 (100234) | about 11 years ago | (#6394716)

Some of their quotes in interviews indicate that they didn't understand the implications of the GPL until around May 19. (Without the code being under the GPL, their actions would have merely been unethical instead of illegal).

The other interesting thing is that they are still distributing the code from their website.

Slashdot Matrix (1)

TJ6581 (182825) | about 11 years ago | (#6394546)

On a scale of one to SCO'ed I say that this webserver is done for.

Suppositions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394547)

So this is a supposition repository? A suppository?

You just need to look at the last line... (5, Insightful)

greppling (601175) | about 11 years ago | (#6394552)

...to see what a biased analysis this is. "Linux unaffected" with 100% certainty? Come on, we all have seen things go horribly wrong in courts. And have seen impact of pure FUD with no basis whatsoever.

Yeah, I know I will get modded down for just suggesting that SCO's action might have some effect, but well...

Re:You just need to look at the last line... (3, Insightful)

JordoCrouse (178999) | about 11 years ago | (#6394711)

...to see what a biased analysis this is. "Linux unaffected" with 100% certainty?

It seems to me that this entire matrix is based on the fact that SCO continued to distribute its Linux distro long after the lawsuit had been brought, indicating that the code was therefore gifted to the community. So no matter what happens, Linux wins.

Now, that may be true (and wouldn't it be nice if it was), but I would like to hear what the legal eagles think about this particular defense. It seems to me that this should be more of a "last gasp" defense, but definately not something you would want to trot out in opening statements.

Re:You just need to look at the last line... (4, Insightful)

KillerHamster (645942) | about 11 years ago | (#6394735)

And even if Linux is not affected legally, this lawsuit could permanently scare a lot of companies and individuals away from using Linux, and OSS in general. Maybe it already has.

Hehe ... (0)

BillsPetMonkey (654200) | about 11 years ago | (#6394560)

SCO will claim that all UnixWare code is original and belongs to SCO

"ALL YOUR UNIXWARE CODE ARE BELONG ... " Ah. never mind.

please oh please (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394563)

it would be the best possible thing for SCO to
bury linux (even tho the whole deal is SCO vs
IBM, not linux) .. linux on the desktop is a
massive failure. why?

o - every monkey out there has their own take
on how things should work

o - few monkeys are being paid

the end result being dozens of nearly identical
projects with completely different code bases,
different data formats and developers that abandon
the project due to lack of recompensation

linux for Servers - linux wins there .. but not
for the desktop .. for years i've tried to make
linux a useful desktop environment, and it is so
long as i don't want to do anything remotely
interesting - putty and goscreen lets me use my
win box as effectively as a linux desktop without
depriving me of the more well fleshed windows
applications .. and all windows needs is a decent
shell environment to be just as useful .. hell,
m$ should open the source to windows .. that would
ensure their dominance completely, as their profit
centers should be the applications

-1 flamebait
-1 offtopic
-1 troll
-11 Truth

In the end, SCO have released the code (1)

OpCode42 (253084) | about 11 years ago | (#6394568)

They released it in their distro after they found it was there. Therefore, they have opened up the code.

Am I wrong?

A question about Linux (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394573)

How can I compile the latest kernel if I don't have a working version of Linux in order to run gcc? It's kinda like the chicken and the egg thing? It's a paradox. Or something.

Look, they're not stupid. (5, Interesting)

s20451 (410424) | about 11 years ago | (#6394600)

I am distressed that most of the anti-SCO argument seems to be based on the fact that SCO continued to publish Linux after claiming infringement.

David Boies is a smart man, and surely he or his legal team would have thought of this. They must have some sort of legitimate defense up their sleeve. Maybe a direct attack on the legitimacy of the GPL?

I think it will run something like this: Linux is important to SCO's business. Even though they discovered violations in linux, they had to continue to release linux or suffer grave damage to their business. They should not be made to suffer for the malicious actions of IBM, and they did not voluntarily release their own source code, so the GPL should not apply to their proprietary code that somehow found its way into linux.

Waiting for the day (1)

stephenry (648792) | about 11 years ago | (#6394602)

What makes me upset about this whole situation is the fact that once the true nature of SCO's allegations against Linux become apparent, the company will not be able to sustain itself financially long enough to recieve the retribution.

If you take the Red Pill... (5, Funny)

EvilTwinSkippy (112490) | about 11 years ago | (#6394605)

You can't be told what the infringing code is, you have to see it for yourself.

This is your last chance.

You tale the Blue pill, and you decline the NDA. You come to your senses and walk away.

You take the Red pill and you stay in wonderland, and SCO will show you just how deep the Rabbit hole goes. Oh, and you can't tell anyone what you saw.

Re:If you take the Red Pill... (1)

Tackhead (54550) | about 11 years ago | (#6394646)

> You take the Red pill and you stay in wonderland, and SCO will show you just how deep the Rabbit hole goes. Oh, and you can't tell anyone what you saw.

That's no Rabbit Hole! That's a Space Station! [darlmcbridse.cx]

Matrix schmatrix! (1)

tkittel (619119) | about 11 years ago | (#6394612)

Matrix my this and matrix my that.

I always thought a matrix was a mathematical object - the two-dimensional equivalent of a vector (or however one chose to look at it).

If a science fiction movie has to name a computer program which simulates every part of life, its called "The Matrix".

If something doesnt work in Enterprise it is because "The matrix" is not aligned.

And now, if someone presents something in a table, it is also a matrix?!?

maybe i'm just in a pedantic mood today :-)

Yes, it is also a matrix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394736)

A Matrix is any multidimensional array which contains data.

Therefore, the information on the linked page is a matrix. It is a two-dimensional table containing data. The fact that the data is english text rather than a "proper" mathematical object does not change that.

Within the sci-fi movie, "The Matrix" was a *nickname* for a large software package. The implication seems to be that the reason for this is that the software package is based around a data model where all global state information is stored in a single large matrix-- or, possibly a more complex data model which happens to be designed in such a way that any particular "viewpoint" within the data model can be presented as a simple matrix. This seems fairly reasonable, given nicknames by nature do not necessarily have to describe the thing they describe totally accurately.

It is a well-known fact that Star Trek is stupid.

Dubious. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394614)

If SCO is right and there is infringing code, then the fact that they willfully released any such code within their own Linux kernel distribution, even after they knew that there was supposed code infringement, released that code into the GPL forever, absolving it from any further claims by SCO.

This isn't necessarily the case. SCO has quite a lot of leeway based on the fact they can claim their GPL rerelease of code taken from the linux community was a mistake, having not realized their own code was in there. The fact that they'd make a statement like that and not point out it's a dodgy argument casts doubt on this entire document.

Handy (3, Insightful)

evilpenguin (18720) | about 11 years ago | (#6394620)

I like this. All the uninformed and irrelevant speculation by armchair lawyers put into one slashdotted source. A great timesaver.

That said, we all know that in the long run Linux has to be unaffected. If they prove infringement a great deal of effort will go into producing non-infringing code. In the long run, it will be just fine. This is mainly about a dying company trying to get some money to pay the receiver.

How can this be??? (1)

ChrisSontagsAnus (685214) | about 11 years ago | (#6394623)

Bois promised me:

1. Steal Linux

2. ???

3. Profits!

My opinion on SCO. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394627)

Well, here is my opinion on the SCO server, based on my true experiances with my development team.

First, there was a plan: how to bring together the different development groups at work? My boss said there was a sort of tension he thought could be eased by some social interaction. Not easy. Almost all of the different development groups despised each other, each thinking its "art" was more important and eloquent than the others'.

There was the kernel extension developer group, coding mostly in C and some PowerPC and x86 assembler. They worked on making our PCI board work with Linux, *BSD, Mac OS X, QNX, and Solaris. They worked "special hours," coming in at one and staying late, supposedly, until seven or eight at night. They enjoyed Jolt cola and had a penchant for ThinkGeek t-shirts and cracking jokes about Win32 API calls and the dreaded Blue Screen of Death.

We had XML developers too. They worked on our website, documentation formatting, and simple apps to configure the driver software. They used HTML, XSL, JavaScript, and a bit of Java. They typically dressed casually, drank coffee and tea, and liked to work straight from the spec: no "Learn XSL in 30 Days" books were to be found in their cubicle farm.

Then we had the guys who wrote full-out UNIX apps. These guys and the products they wrote had been acquired from another company, and were the source of most of the tension: they'd never really been integrated into our group except that they were physically present with the rest of us. They all had beards or mullets or long, unwashed hair. Many wore suspenders or the afore-mentioned ThinkGeek clothes; some even had Penguin tatooes or small C app code tattooed on them. Their cubicle farm was known for the bleating laughter that exploded when one of them found a "silly" bug on someone else's code, and for the rotten, fetid stench that could only be compared to three-day-old shit reeking from inside a rotting corpse's abdominal cavity.

So, in order to get the guys to "know each other" my boss had asked me to organize a during-hours, alcohol-friendly party. My ideas ranged from a keg or two to live entertainment, AKA strippers. But as to what to get them to actually talk to each other in a human manner I had no clue. So I let it go til the last minute and decided to let my inherent creativity mull it over in the back of my head.

When the day of the party had arrived, the catering company brought in a few trays of lunch meat, chicken, pizza, and side dishes, I had picked up the kegs (all four) from the local brewery, and the big-screen TV and DVD were set up ready to blast the Matrix into the eyes and ears of my co-workers. The eagerness in the the air was encouraging and I thought that loosening up and smiles going on even now were a good sign. I even saw some of the guys who'd known each other previously begin to bunch up, bringing along the co-workers they knew from everyday work.

The first thing everyone did was hit the food line, loading up their plates and grabbing a cup for beer to wash it down with. A few approached me and thanked me for the food; it seems appeasing the belly really did tame the beast. After a few minutes of silence and eating and a few second and third courses, they guys were ready to sit down and be entertained. After asking if anyone needed anything else before the movie started, the lights went out and the Matrix began playing. I heard a few enthusiastic comments and jokes being told.

About half-way through the movie I noticed a lot of the guys, especially from the UNIX app group, were getting up and presumably going to the restroom. No suprise, as the second keg was history by now and the third was probably half-way gone. I also noticed some of the guys bumping into things and stumbling. Alcohol's the social lubricant, eh? Well, not long after, my bladder beckoned and I answered. As I made my way to the restroom, I had a self-satisfied smile on my face: my little plan was working, my boss would be happy, and it might even a Christmas bonus or a promotion (even if in title only).

Well, as soon as I pushed the restroom door open, I knew something was wrong. The smell of vomit was pretty strong and I hoped that it'd only been the work of one guy. But the smell was so pungent! After standing at the urinal, waiting for the golden flow to commence, I stood in silence. It was then that I heard grunting. Listening intently for a few seconds, I hoped whoever was upchucking their beer and munchies wasn't leaving a huge mess for the cleanup crew. After pissing and still hearing the noise, I approached the stall the that moaning was coming from.

"Hey, you alright in there, man?" I asked cautiously.

I was met by silence for a moment. Then I heard a few grunts and concealed giggles. Something was up in there. It was then that I heard what sounded like crying and more moaning. What the fuck? I decided I needed to see what was going on. I didn't want this party to come crashing down around my ears. I pushed the door open hard and then gasped as I saw the most sordid, disgusting thing I'd ever seen in my life.

Standing on either side of the toilet were two if the UNIX app coders, their beards caked with vomit, their pants in puddles around ankles, with erect penises wagging in the air. Doubled over the toilet, his head nearly dunked in the swill, was one of the XML developers. His pants were also around his ankles and what appeared to be a combination of blood and semen were dripping from his torn, ragged anus. He was covered in vomit from head to toe, and he was crying hard into the toilet bowl, its echo an eerie accompaniment to the awful scene I was seeing but not believing.

They two Linux coders slowly turned and looked me straight in the eye, evil grins smeared across both of their bearded faces.

"What in Fuck's name are you doing!?" was all I could force out of my mouth. I still wasn't believing I was seeing this.

Saying nothing, both of the Linux coders rushed me. Being in such a tense state, I threw both of them off and made a break for the door. And the fucking thing wouldn't open. In the follow two seconds that seemed like an eternity, the door was pushed open my way and two more Linux coders came in. Upon seeing what was happening, they immediately grabbed me and were joined by the first two. I was trapped. Then the one guy, who was a dead-ringer for Rasputin, the mad Russian monk, gazed into my eyes and said in a feminine voice, "Looks like Mr. Party is gonna get a taste of the real action!" and cackled insanely.

Cold sweat spurted from the pores on my foreheads and cheeks as I was dragged by the four stinking, polluted hippies into the same stall their previous victim was in. Rasputin spoke again, excitement in his voice.

"Thanks for the pizza and beer, now it's time for the weeners and buns!"

Immediately the first two slogged their pants off and got down on their knees. The other two put there knees in my back and held me on top of the first victim, who now appeared to be unconscious. I heard their belts coming off and their zippers coming down, and some rustling around told me that their pants were coming down also. Then the first two started sucking off the other two, in what I could only call the most enthusiastic blowjobs I'd ever seen in my life. The moaning and slurping sounds turned my stomach and I retched. I could see why the first guy might have vomited.

Eventually Rasputin and his cohort started moaning more loudly, and one of them said "fifteen seconds." This was followed by a series of rapid-fire belching and burping that shook me up and down on the guy underneath me. After about fifteen seconds, all Hell broke loose. The two guys behind me started vomiting on the two guys fellating them and I saw cumshot shoot and mix with the vomit all over the two cocksuckers' faces. It was then that I almost lost. I finally did refund when the first two vile fluids were followed by streams of piss. I heard swallowing and dripping and I yacked all over their first victim's head.

Rasputin cried out like a little girl in ecstasy. "Oh god, I'd been waiting for that all night! This party fuckin' roxorz my coxor!"

Now it was my turn, it seemed, as all four started tearing my pants down. Chunks of vomit-piss-semen fell on my back and soaked through my t-shirt. It was reviling. I shuddered as I felt their cold, clammy hands in my ass-crack and a very indelicate reacharound on my ball-sack. At this point I had no idea who was doing what, and I was just praying that I'd wake up and realize I was drunk and dreaming a la nightmare.

Just then I heard the door boom open and my boss's voice fill the air. The stall door was open and he saw right away the turgid scene transpiring in front of him. His voice was immediately followed by two others, XML developers I knew, and they flew into the stall as best they could and began a fight to save my asshole. The poor guy underneath me had just woken up and started struggling and the extra weight of eight other bodies in the stall must have been suffocating.

"It'll be all right, buddy," I offered to him.

Within thirty seconds I was to my feet and was delivering the most heart-felt kicks to the guts of the rapist faggot Linux coders. Between me, my boss, and the two XML developers, we had the gang of four knocked out in a sloppy, excrement-filled pile of hairy body.

It's now been a month since this horrible incident and I am in regular therapy with a sexual abuse counselor. In response to the terrible outcome of this party, my boss toyed with the idea of selling the group off to another company, sans the four hippies who'd been fired and arrested. After considerable urging on my part, and very open ear from my boss, the whole group was dissolved and the Linux coders lost their jobs. Their product was delayed by a year as my boss began hiring a new development team. We'd found evidence that the whole group had been involved in the planning of the gang- bangs and that had it not been for us everyone would have had a "turn" in the stalls.

If there's one thing we learned from this tragedy is that Linux coders, users, and advocates are desperate cock-lusting homosexual faggots that can't be trusted in any situation, let alone a restroom setting. You've been warned.

On the positive side, though, the whole incident brought solidarity between the other groups in the company and I am now on schedule to get a huge Christmas package that not only includes a gigantic bonus but a month's worth of paid time off and a real promotion.

vegas style (1)

Jack Schitt (649756) | about 11 years ago | (#6394628)

ok... now that we have a matrix drawn up, let's place those bets...

Oh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394636)

Already slashdotted... can anyone get the matrix reloaded?

Preaching to the quire (4, Insightful)

b.foster (543648) | about 11 years ago | (#6394642)

Although the concept of a decision matrix is a good one, these authors chose instead to squander their opportunity to present both sides of the case by presenting a one-sided, dubious view that may or may not have anything in common with the court's ultimate interpretation.

For instance:

  • "SCO have yet to reveal any conclusive evidence that they can show there is code that they have developed, which is now in Linux illegally." Although I also doubt that SCO has any conclusive evidence, as a former paralegal I can assure you that there are many good reasons why they would be harmed by showing their cards right now.
  • "SCO released any infringing code: Proven." This is decidedly false, as this has not been proven in a court of law. Codes of procedure, rules of evidence, and whether or not the judge got laid last night all have significant bearing on whether or not the court will have enough evidence to deem this point "proven."
  • "Final Outcome: Linux is Unaffected." This is completely false. Linux has already been affected by companies [microsoft.com] who have shown increased sales since beginning to spew FUD about "stolen IP" in Linux. I have several friends at various Linux vendors who claim that sales are down and that customers have mentioned the suit very often as a reason to hold off on adoption of open source software. The BSA is lobbying foreign governments to avoid open source because of this case, even as we speak. We may be able to fix a few lines of snarfed code in 15 minutes and end the whole ordeal, but Linux may never get its credibility back if contributors can be shown to have caused the problem. Never forget that it takes a long time to build trust but trust can be lost in a matter of seconds. And articles like this that spread pro-Linux FUD are just as detestable as the garbage spewed from Redmond.

Re:Preaching to the quire (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6394733)

Preaching to the quire ROFL!!!! I suppose I should inchoir as to why your spelling sucks!

Chance of SCO success? (4, Interesting)

DeadSea (69598) | about 11 years ago | (#6394653)

For SCO to get anywhere on this lawsuit:
  1. If SCO doesn't own the copyrights that it claims --> Lawsuit fails
  2. If there isn't any infringing code in Linux --> Lawsuit fails
  3. If SCO can't prove that IBM put the code there --> Lawsuit fails
  4. If SCO can't convince a court that they were duped into distributing the infringing code under the GPL in their own Linux distribution --> Lawsuit fails
  5. If SCO can't convince a court that there should be monitary damages --> Lawsuit fails
So what if there is infringing SCO code in Linux and SCO manages to play the duped victim with their own distribution under GPL?
  1. Linux developers replace the code and release a new version. Any infringing sections are rumored to be in the tens (not hundreds or more) lines. This should happen very quickly.
  2. Linux users upgrade to the newest version and would no longer be in violation
  3. SCO could try to sue more people for past offenses, for which they would likely be awarded very little as the infringement is so small and users were not aware of the infringements (even after the lawsuit was announced as SCO isn't telling what infringes).

Re:Chance of SCO success? (1)

jo42 (227475) | about 11 years ago | (#6394745)

3) IBM spends more $$$ on coffee worldwide than it would take to buy out SCO...

SCO gains (1)

geekmetal (682313) | about 11 years ago | (#6394656)

I guess SCO has got enough news coverage from this issue and possibly some customers too. They sure are playing with fire.
Their persistance makes me hesitate in writing them off, wonder whats up their sleeve.

"Linux is unaffected" (4, Insightful)

hendridm (302246) | about 11 years ago | (#6394662)

> SCO made initial IP claims against IBM in March 6th 20032, and only removed the source code to its Linux distribution in May 14th 20033 Thus SCO have gifted this code to the Linux community.

The author of this piece seems pretty sure Linux will be unaffected by the outcome of this case. What about this:

SCO realizes there is infringing code in Linux, but continue to release their distribution anyway. Perhaps they felt since their code was already infringed upon, why should they be punished in lost sales by pulling their product which was developed unknowingly with stolen code? Could it not be argued that once an invalid license always an invalid license? Since the infringing code was included without their permission, its license under the GPL was never valid.

To illustrate my point: Let's say Pepsi owns Nutrisweet and have patents on the artificial sweetener. Let's say they also resell Dr. Pepper products in their soda machines. Let's also say that Dr. Pepper developed their own artificial sweetener for Diet Dr. Pepper that infringes on some of Pepsi's IP. Once Pepsi finds out about it, are they required to pull all Diet Dr. Pepper from their machines, thus hurting sales and requiring extra man hours?

Obviously, this isn't a perfect example because you don't license a can of soda to a consumer. However, couldn't a good lawyer argue that the crime was done and the time period where SCO was releasing their code under the GPL was to give them time to "tie up loose ends" with that product line while minimizing the negative impact on their bottom line? It seems like a "victim" of such "theft" should be entitled to pick up the pieces within a reasonable time frame.

Just a thought. I just don't think we should be celebrating until the court case is over.

Huh? (1)

azzy (86427) | about 11 years ago | (#6394681)

What is the matrix?

Re:Huh? (1)

Mistah Blue (519779) | about 11 years ago | (#6394740)

A cool movie with Keeanu Reeves and Laurence Fishburne.

Lame analysis jumps to conclusions. (4, Insightful)

Distan (122159) | about 11 years ago | (#6394683)

This whole thing reads like an exercise in assuming the outcome is "Linux is unaffected".

What if:

1: A court rules that SCO code has been put into Linux by someone other than SCO.

2: A court rules that the GPL is non binding upon source code previously released by SCO.

3: A court rules that any party using such source is and has been in violation of SCO's patents, and is open game for damages.

No matter what me, or you, or the author of this "matrix" thinks the GPL says, the only thing that matters is what a court decides it says.

Reminds me of Office Space (5, Funny)

pavon (30274) | about 11 years ago | (#6394701)

Who needs a decision matrix when you can have a Jump [slashdot.org] to [slashdot.org] Conclusions [slashdot.org] Board [slashdot.org] ?

so this essetially says... (0, Offtopic)

WPIDalamar (122110) | about 11 years ago | (#6394763)

hey sco ... STFU
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