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Japan To Do Payroll On Linux

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the upstart-operating-system dept.

Linux Business 343

strannik writes "Yahoo/Reuters is reporting that the The Japanese Government will use Linux for it's payroll system. Fujitsu LTD, IBM Japan LTD and OKI Electronic Industry Co. will develop the system by March of 2004. The new system is expected to halve operating costs (to about 350 Billion Yen a year)."

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fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401588)

fp frosty posty

ohayo (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401590)

chin chin name name

FP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401591)

In soviet Russia, linux pays Japan a beowolf cluster of hot grits down Natalie Portman's petrified pants. Inconcievable!

k3wl (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401592)

Don't miss the battle of the century! David versus Goliath all over again as we watch SCO vs Japan! Don't miss this apocalyptical match, and it's only on paaay per viewww!

Linux? (-1, Flamebait)

wiggys (621350) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401595)

If it's in Japan, wouldn't they pronounce it "Rinux"?

Re:Linux? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401629)

No, they'd call it "disgusting piece of crap software written by amateurs and posers."

Oh--was that offensive? Maybe some people reading your post were offended, too.

Re:Linux? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401631)

More like the other way around... If it was called Rinux then they'd call it Linux

Racism is NOT FUNNY (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401648)

Who is this racist comment funny?

Re:Linux? (-1, Troll)

captain_craptacular (580116) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401651)

Yeah, and "Rinux" will save them 350 billion yen. Thats almost enough for a candy bar!

note: don't bother flaming, I know the exchange rate isn't that bad anymore....

Re:Linux? (-1, Troll)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401665)

What do you call a Japanese woman with one leg?

Irene!

Re:Linux? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401687)

Q:What do you call a faggot with a small dick and a huge gaping anus dripping with man-cum?

A:DNS-AND-BIND, AKA Morgan (Big M, small organ)

Re:Linux? (-1, Offtopic)

Rinikusu (28164) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401698)

I wonder if someone around here will get the point of this post.. ;)

Re:Linux? (1)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401721)

A more viable way to spell it would be "Rinikusu"

350B Yen (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401598)

350 Billion Yen....
That will buy you a pack of gum right???

Operating Costs != Cost of Ownership? (2, Interesting)

Matrix272 (581458) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401599)

By "Operating Costs" does that include the salary of the admins? Windows admins make a lot less than *nix admins (rightly so), so is paying more to the Linux admins included in their estimates?

Aside from that point, I don't know who would trust Microsoft enough to put their confidential financial information, especially payroll, on Windows...

Re:Operating Costs != Cost of Ownership? (0, Flamebait)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401639)

Windows admins make a lot less than *nix admins

Because:
1. They suck
2. Their OS suck
3. It's so much easier to put together a cluster of Windows machines when you don't know a lot about it that a cluster of *nix.

Seriously though, a *good* Windows admin cost probably as much as a good *nix admin

Re:Operating Costs != Cost of Ownership? (4, Informative)

zulux (112259) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401801)

It's so much easier to put together a cluster of Windows machines when you don't know a lot about it that a cluster of *nix.

Not any more! Search google for 'cluster knoppix'. Or go here [bofh.be]

It's this simple: boot a server with the .ISO, boot the clients via network or .ISO and presto! A Mosix Cluster!

It's a facinating this to turn a Windows network into a temporary Mosix cluster in under an hour. Pull the CD's out and reboot, and your back to Windows. (Or other OS)

Re:Operating Costs != Cost of Ownership? (5, Insightful)

mjmalone (677326) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401720)

It doesn't say in the article that they have been running windows in the past. Just that Microsoft wanted them to use it. Maybe they are already running some *nix variation and already have a knowledgable staff, mass layoffs and new hires would probably cost as much the added expense of nix admins... at least for the short term.

Re:Operating Costs != Cost of Ownership? (1, Interesting)

jbottero (585319) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401735)

These days, Linux admins don't really cost *that* much more than Win32 admins. It's a buyer's market labor wise, and nobody looking for a job these days is making as much as they where a few years back.

In any case, the idea that the labor cost is a significant percentage of Linux TCO may be due in part to the fact that you don't have to spend $100,000 plus for the software.

Re:Operating Costs != Cost of Ownership? (3, Insightful)

KillerHamster (645942) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401756)

Windows admins make a lot less than *nix admins

But you need fewer admins to maintain the same number of machines when they are running *nix.

It's about time (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401601)

When will America abandon the Microsoft hedgemony and use Linux for it is payroll system as well?

Re:It's about time (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401760)

Oh, please. Microsoft is cozy enough with US elected officials that it was convicted of abuse of monopoly power and still got off virtually scot-free. If they have the sway to do that, I highly doubt they'd be unable to stop the US government from migrating away from their products.

Big Rin for Rinux! (0, Flamebait)

Pii (1955) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401602)

Sorry... Just a rittle Japan bashing humor. Move along.

The Linux it keeps being surprised (1)

SweetAndSourJesus (555410) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401705)

I verify that the Japanese government rescues many of the money of the Linux.

Let's Linux!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401804)

For Freshness over the shining seas.

Re:Big Rin for Rinux! (1, Funny)

BillsPetMonkey (654200) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401730)

"US to do Payroll on Microsoft Windows Me"

Sorry...Just a little *heough!* US bashing humour. Move Along.

Re:Big Rin for Rinux! (2)

DogIsMyCoprocessor (642655) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401744)

Good one ... but I bet more Japanese percentage-wise know the difference between "its" and "it's" than Slashdot editors. (See article.)

Re:Big Rin for Rinux! (0, Offtopic)

Pii (1955) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401768)

Flamebait!

Redundant perhaps, but not Flamebait! When wiggys [slashdot.org] posted his comment [slashdot.org] mere seconds before I did, he got modded as Funny.

Besides, he didn't even fully commit to the bash... It was very timid, put into the form of a question even. I went "all in" on the jab.

Ahh... Saner moderators are checking in now, thank goodness. Well done gentlemen, well done. I fully expect Budweiser to run a "Real Men of Genius" radio ad dedicated to Slashdot moderators Real Soon Now[tm]. (Mr. Slashdot comment moderator... You know the tune.)

Darl's World Tour Continues (2, Funny)

zdislaw (664912) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401607)

Would that make Japan Darl McBride's next stop on his 2003 FUD World Tour?

Re:Darl's World Tour Continues (1)

the gnat (153162) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401713)

Darl's already heading to Japan to try to bully the many companies interested in embedded Linux (including Sony, Toshiba, Fujitsu...). I guess the Japanese government wasn't too impressed.

How do you say "Suck it, bitch!" in Japanese?

Re: Darl's World Tour Continues (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401715)


> Would that make Japan Darl McBride's next stop on his 2003 FUD World Tour?

Yeah, I hear he's doing a trio with Bill Gates and an American ambassador.

Got to be an airplane joke in there somewhere, too.

Re:Darl's World Tour Continues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401718)

YOu missed it, he's already on his way

Java? (3, Insightful)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401608)

I'm always wondering why doesn't people use Java for such large developments... If tomorrow Linux is declared illegal because of the SCO suit (very unlikely though), you just reinstall FreeBSD and keep on going.

Multi-platform is an invaluable freedom on such projects where deployment and operating costs are so high

Re:Java? (2, Interesting)

BiteMeFanboy (680905) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401663)

Yes. The same could be said for Scheme, Lisp, Perl, and quite a number of other languages, many of which are better for large applications than Java.

Re:Java? (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401689)

That is correct. I guess the point is: Who cares which OS??

When a better one will pop up, we'll just switch and everything will still work fine...

Re:Java? (1)

BiteMeFanboy (680905) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401814)

Fair enough, that wasn't my impression of the original post. You're right, designed with a sutably high level language the OS shouldn't matter at all, it could be run on any system that has an implementation of that language.

However, given that Linux a) won't be made illegal in the U.S. and b) certainly will not in Japan it's the best choice for them right now. I think the upshot of the article, and the reason for mentioning which OS, is that it's a win for an open OS.

Re:Java? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401667)

Why BSD isn't being used in the first place is the real puzzlement.

Re:Java? (4, Insightful)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401728)

The problem with BSD is that it doesn't have enough visibility (or at least less visibility that Linux). Why is linux getting all that good press is the real puzzlement.

On a large application / heavy loaded server, it makes no doubt that BSD is a lot better than Linux, but on the desktop the problem is not the same

The huge number of drivers support can partially explain the popularity of Linux on the desktop, and if the MS saga has proven anything, that is desktop leads to server, because it provides a good visibility in everybody's mind.

Re:Java? (1)

Knife_Edge (582068) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401778)

"Why is linux getting all that good press is the real puzzlement."

Because during the dotcom boom it was tagged as the 'Microsoft killer', and a lot of people have bad feelings toward Microsoft. I mean regular people, who only intuitively know that things happen with their systems that should never occur, like bluescreens. That includes journalists, at least tech ones.

BSD for some reason did not get as much publicity during the dotcom boom, despite being a good system. There you have my theory.

Re:Java? (2, Interesting)

IWorkForMorons (679120) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401696)

If tomorrow Linux is declared illegal because of the SCO suit

You forget that Japan also has to recognize that it's illegal. If I were Japan, I'd tell SCO to shove their FUD and their laws up their collective ass. But, if I were Japan, I'd have a lot more to worry about then just SCO...

Re:Java? (3, Insightful)

Surak (18578) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401738)

Ya know, Java is not the only cross-platform development language on the planet.

First off, believe it or not, ANSI C is pretty darned portable, especially across *nixes. Think how how many Linux code written in C ports easily to *BSD, Solaris, AIX, etc. It's not 100% cross-platform, but it's close enough for projects that need native compiled code.

Now, for a massive payroll system, which is basically a database, native compiled code isn't strictly necessary. It's a database, and probably needs a client/server architecture. Database lookups are the bottleneck, on the client, so you *could* do a lot of stuff. You could make it web based, for instance, and use Apache, PostgreSQL, and PHP or Perl for instance. If you want a gui, you could do Python/GTK, for instance. All of this stuff is cross-platform, Java isn't the ONLY solution.

Illegal? (1)

gotr00t (563828) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401757)

You should know that BSD suffered a case like this (though it wasn't filled with such utter BS from a small and overly obnoxious company that does literally nothing productive), and the result was not that BSD became illegal, the offending parts of the code were simply taken out, and BSD remained free.

If this is to happen to Linux(however unlikely), then the same thing will happen. And even if worst comes to worst, all businesses will have to pay SCO, but it still will not be illegal.

Re:Java? (1)

IWannaBeAnAC (653701) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401772)

What a troll! How is this different if the application was written in C, or C++, or Python, or any other language with a portable (+POSIX) standard?

And why on earth would Linux be declared 'illegal'? It isn't merely unlikely, it is not concievable. Even if SCO won their suit against IBM (unlikely), and even if some offending code was shown to be in the mainstream Linux kernel (even more unlikely), then the absolute worst that can happen is that the offending code gets 'rolled back' to before IBM's involvement. So, some parts of the SMP support (for example) get rolled back to as they were in Linux 2.2, and then Linux development moves on from there. Big deal! Hardly the same as making Linux 'illegal'.

Re:Java? (1)

Drakonian (518722) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401789)

First of all, how does the language used for the system relate to this discussion? Aren't we talking about the OS?

And secondly, there are a lot of languages that are more open that Java. Sun could do a lot of damage to the Java community if they decided to not release any specs or improve Java at all. Similarly to Linux being "declared illegal".

Re:Java? (1)

sabshire (40466) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401808)

Because Java isn't as recent on BSD as it is on Linux.

Re:Java? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401809)

Do you understand what it is the Java Virtual Machine? It's just an layer of common operations on top of something. It's a second operating system.

Java isn't that wonderful, at all. It isn't multi-plataform, because it is its own plataform. You can build a common plataform on top of how many opearing systems you want.

And if you're looking plataform freedom, Python runs on much more plataforms than Java, and oh, Python runs on Java too.

hello (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401611)

did you know that 250 billion yen is only $143 american dollars?

In keeping with new Linux system... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401618)

Japanese civil servants will be expected to work for free.

Widespeard use of Linux (2, Funny)

nother_nix_hacker (596961) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401622)

Duh, who cares if Linux is making it big in the real world, gaining coroperate sponsorship thus developing quickly into a mature and usable system... what we all want is transparent windows!

half (4, Funny)

selderrr (523988) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401623)

The new system is expected to halve operating costs

aaah, so they move from 32 to 64 bit then ?
(ducks for cover)

No. (4, Funny)

Eric_Cartman_South_P (594330) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401690)

aaah, so they move from 32 to 64 bit then ?

No, they're moving from FULL SPEED to HIGH SPEED.

Re:No. (4, Funny)

iplayfast (166447) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401732)

No they're going to LUDICRIOUS SPEED!

(but sir!)

What's the matter Colonel Sanders....? Chicken!

Darl's trip (3, Funny)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401624)

I guess that Darl's trip [yahoo.com] wasn't particularly persuasive after all. I wonder why.

Re:Darl's trip (5, Funny)

Lane.exe (672783) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401674)

Honorable Darl McBride, Emperor of Evil Empire SCO,
We regret to inform you that your crass and stupid public remarks regarding the honored and revered Rinux operating system have deeply offended our nation and further disgraced yourself. Here is your tanto. Your retainer Chris Sontag will be standing by with katana to further help you complete your ritual suicide.

Sincerery,
Japan

Upstart? (4, Informative)

HanClinto (621615) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401626)

"For the past year, an intense turf battle between Microsoft and vendors of the upstart Linux has been raging as more corporations and government agencies turn to Linux software to run their desktop and network computer systems to cut costs."

Dictionary.com:
ntr.v. upstarted, upstarting, upstarts (p-stärt)
To spring or start up suddenly.

The banner-ad on the right side of my screen reading that article was the Oracle/Unbreakable Penguin ad. Granted Linux has been gaining ground quickly as-of-late, but it's not exactly been an upstart.

they're saving 350 billion yen... (3, Insightful)

phunhippy (86447) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401627)

350,000,000,000.00 JPY Japan Yen = 2,974,249,477.00 USD United States Dollars

Can someone explain how they will save nearly 3 billion dollars by using Linux?

MS licenses can't cost that much!!! (really!)

Re:they're saving 350 billion yen... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401646)

Read the article. They aren't comparing that to a Windows option.

Re:they're saving 350 billion yen... (4, Informative)

PizzaFace (593587) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401656)

They're replacing mainframes, not Windows servers.

Then I guess a fair question would be... (2, Insightful)

goldspider (445116) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401711)

...would be how much would they have saved (relative to their old mainframes, of course) if they had decided on a Microsoft-based solution?

Re:Then I guess a fair question would be... (1)

mjmalone (677326) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401773)

Probably not nearly as much because the MS SQL servers are nearly as expensive to license as Oracle, and they would still have to get relatively large mainframe computers to run them. They wouldnt be able to get away with desktops IMHO.

Re:they're saving 350 billion yen... (1)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401745)

I wonder if they could replace them with the unsold Xboxes - I mean, once the "no mod chip needed" hack is working.

Re:they're saving 350 billion yen... (4, Insightful)

TSMABob (685023) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401662)

RTA...
1. The adoption of the Linux open-source operating system, which can be obtained for free and copied or modified

2. Until now, the Japanese government has relied on expensive large-scale computers for its backbone system. The new system, using lower-priced advanced servers and personal computers, is expected to halve the network's operating costs to around 350 billion yen a year

Re:they're saving 350 billion yen... (3, Insightful)

phunhippy (86447) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401699)

thanks I did...

The adoption of the Linux open-source operating system, which can be obtained for free and copied or modified, would be a blow to Microsoft Corp, which wanted the government to use its Windows system for the backbone computer.

Until now, the Japanese government has relied on expensive large-scale computers for its backbone system. The new system, using lower-priced advanced servers and personal computers, is expected to halve the network's operating costs to around 350 billion yen a year

If they are spending 6 billion now to maintain payroll and personel database they have much larger concerns to worry about.

Re:they're saving 350 billion yen... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401743)

No, it is not windoze licenses, it is Oracle...

What does this mean? (5, Interesting)

locarecords.com (601843) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401628)

I think clearly there is some serious thinking going on in Government circles about Open Source and technology projects. Has anybody looked at the EU guidelines [infonomics.nl] ? They've even set up a special body to promote open and interoperable stuff [cordis.lu] across the EU... More stuff [conecta.it]

Re:What does this mean? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401695)

It means that other governments are seeing the value of a non US controlled resource that cannot be spiked, can become a cultural resource adapted to the host nation and improves and promotes localism.

Additionally is cheap...

Re:What does this mean? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401734)

This means that *again* Japan takes the best and brightest ideas from the US, improves them and eventually sells them back to us. All for free. Well, not free when they sell it back obviously.. ;-)

And the EU is up to the same game. One day the EU is going to be the US's biggest challenger in the global stakes and we'll have GIVEN THEM the means to do it!!!

WAR? (0, Flamebait)

locarecords.com (601843) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401813)

I think it will be interesting when historians look back at this time and register it as the end of technological supremecy for the US and the start of EU/China/Japan who are all profiting from the massive transfer from the US of their advantage in technology, skills and people who can produce complex operating systems...

What will happen to these Open Source/Free software principles when war is declared? Everyone knows everybody elses secrets... and faults...

I just hope they all stay friends....

Too bad this is news (1, Insightful)

cheezus (95036) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401632)

Company/Government X is using linux to do Y! woot!

It would be much nicer if it was news everytime microsoft landed a big contract.

Re:Too bad this is news (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401731)

Company/Government X is using linux to do Y! woot!

It would be much nicer if it was news everytime microsoft landed a big contract.

Why would it be nicer? Why even as nice? Linux and Microsoft aren't the same thing. It's fun to watch a big greedy monopolist lose potential sales. It means the world isn't getting more lopsided as fast as it would have otherwise.

Re:Too bad this is news (1)

IthnkImParanoid (410494) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401739)

Great idea. Every time I load slashdot (or any other news site), I would really like the headlines to read:

"Status Quo Followed"
"No risks taken"
"Company X maintains same infrastructure"


I know slashdot is repetitive choir-preaching, but how on earth would it be news for someone to decide to keep using Microsoft Products. It's only news when someone switches from one to the other, and how often do companies running Linux decide to go back?

Re:Too bad this is news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401805)

The OP means he wishes choosing Linux was the status quo and not a risk.

Gah (-1, Offtopic)

Pinguu (677142) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401637)

I sent in the same story but with links to all the companies about 4 hours ago.

Slashdot: News for Nerds. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401644)

Stuff that matters!

$300mil/yr? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401645)

Since when does a payroll system require $300 million a year to MAINTIAN?

Must be like one of those $500 screwdriver type deals the US Govt likes to pull.

Re:$300mil/yr? (1)

temojen (678985) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401691)

When it's the payroll system for an entire national government.

Re:$300mil/yr? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401821)

It sounds like the PAYROLL of the whole goddamn government.

Re:$300mil/yr? (3, Informative)

captain_craptacular (580116) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401747)

First of all I believe they're saving somewhere near 3 billion dollars...

Secondly I work for a department that supports a payroll system for about 10k Employees and I'd guess that for Developers alone we shell out about $250k a year to support the system. And this isn't even a home-rolled system, we're talking maintenance of a system that we pay for. With all liscenses included and hardware costs, I'm sure we're well over $500,000 a year.

Thats for 10k Employees, how many employees does the Japanese Govt. have?

The story can also be found... (1, Redundant)

Pinguu (677142) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401669)

here [cnn.com]

Re:The story can also be found... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401694)

That post rocked my world.

Watch out japan! (5, Funny)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401675)

Is it possible for SCO to sue a country?

No. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401780)

No.

Re:Watch out japan! (1)

mjmalone (677326) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401807)

The U.S. maybe... Japan, no way. In the U.S. I believe the way it works is the government essentially has to allow you to sue it. You can sue the government if they break a policy (i.e. a sign for road construction is supposed to be 500 feet away, it was only 400 feet, you got in an accident). But you can't sue them if they abide by policy and you still get fucked (i.e. policy says 400 feet, it was 400 feet, you think it should be 500 feet).

blow away.. (1)

geekmetal (682313) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401676)

The adoption of the Linux open-source operating system, which can be obtained for free and copied or modified, would be a blow to Microsoft Corp, which wanted the government to use its Windows system for the backbone computer.

Has Bill Gates made a visit to Japan yet? I am sure he'll be there soon with sops for the government and money to goodwill.
Of course he will not give unless there is some surety of getting back

Microsoft, for its part, announced a trio of European government contract wins last week.

What a shame

Re:blow away.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401784)

Right and the part I hate most is when Microsoft claims to donate hardware/software to schools, apparently as a public service, but actually trying to hook kids onto Microsoft products.

Wait (1, Troll)

moc.tfosorcimgllib (602636) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401677)

They forgot to add in the costs of teaching employees how to use the new Linux system, retraining administrators and help desk employees to support the software and how in the long run it would be cheaper to just buy new software every year.

Not only that, they forgot what would happen if the community stopped support of Linux overnight, or where would they go if Linux went out of business next year?

In the end, will it really save money? I think the anser is clear.

If I missed one of the points, please correct me. I hope this becomes a huge success and only encourages other governments to adopt open-source software.

Re:Wait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401770)

My dear son,
Generally users users applications with GUIS and do not see what OS is under it.

Administrators : I suppose that the government will outsource that too

Stopping support : so that is like MS. every 5 years or so stop supporting.

Re:Wait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401797)

Going from Main Frame systems running VMS or UNIX to smaller servers running Linux has less of a re-training cost then transitioning to Windows based systems. Most of the Admins will require little of no re-training. As for the help desk people, anyone that ever worked a helpdesk will tell you, updating your skills set is a constant, even more so with Windows based apps then with Unix style one (more "feature creep with windows).

Tard! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401701)

"The Japanese Government will use Linux for it's payroll system."

For it is payroll system?!

FUCKING MORON

Truly a blow to Microsoft and a great Linux coup? (5, Interesting)

Knife_Edge (582068) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401707)

From the article it seems like the Japanese government was running their payroll software on a big proprietary unix system anyway, and was looking to upgrade the underlying system. It is not surprising that they picked Linux to do this - they say one of the reasons for the selection is because the hardware it runs on is cheaper. Maybe they ditched some Sun hardware? Some other vendor?

I'm sure Microsoft wanted them to use their software, but Linux is more likely to win when the competition is another *nix. Microsoft probably couldn't meet the requirements of 'runs old payroll software' or something, no matter how low they could price their software to compete.

This is a win for Linux, but not that big of a win, considering the details of the situation. This hardly indicates an expanding mindshare for the platform, just ability to cannibalize another *nix with its freeness.

Re:Truly a blow to Microsoft and a great Linux cou (1)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401815)

The truly understated point in most of these "Linux gets chosen for X" stories is that in the short- to medium-term, Linux is taking marketshare from other *nix solutions. The battle with Microsoft for the enterprise desktop is still a long ways off.

Japanese Rinuku OS. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6401710)

It's Rinuku.

In other unrelated news... (2, Funny)

AtomicX (616545) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401723)

In other totally unrelated news, George Bush has declared Japan a terrorist state. In a recently published dossier the newly appointed Chief of Staff, Gen S. Ballmer said that Japan posed a significant threat to US security, this was further emphasised by Gen D. McBride, who will be leading Operation Litigation

Excahnge rate/Weak Yen (3, Informative)

randomErr (172078) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401726)

Just to give everyone an idea how much that really is I've ran a conversion to your local exchange rate based on 350 billion dollars:
US Dollar : 2.9 billion
UK Pound : 1.8 billion
Euro : 2.6 billion
Mexican Peso : 31.1 billion
Austrial Dollar: 4.5 billion

bored at work (1)

tomzyk (158497) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401824)

bastard. I was in the process of converting the amount to different currencies, but you beat me to it.

now I gotta go find something else to do for the next 2.5 hours... :D

A good market (4, Insightful)

phorm (591458) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401736)

Well... first before I get flamed to death, I will note that I am writing from MozillaFirebird on X11 with a lot of nice graphics support (GL, etc).

That being said, however, one of the nice things about 'nix is that you can trim down the graphics or the GUI (as above, not to indicate that linux can't do advanced GUI). With windows, you're looking at the latest OS every now-and-then just to make sure it runs on your hardware... which usually included a bevy of bloated and distasteful GUI crapulence.

Now, for payroll, we're talking money, calculation, etc... a simple GUI (widget-wise, not necessarily design wise) is all that's needed for the client-side. For the server-side, no GUI needed at all... we're just processing more or less straight numerical data, except for strings on names, account ID's, etc.

As always, the beauty of linux is choice. For your accounting system, you can eliminate a lot of headache by not using the unnecessary GUI components. In windows, you often don't have as many options in that direction (except disabling "fade effects" and other silliness).

I fully expect linux to take root and grow within the financial sector more and more as time passes - as long as you don't have MS-only software, there's just no need for an MS Operating System in such an environment.

Accountability (1)

darth_MALL (657218) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401740)

Where does the "vendor" accountability lie, with open source, if the software is inherently the cause of a failure/screwup/loss? This must be a huge consideration in a public sector payroll role. Is there such thing as vendor accountability with any major dist?

Someone had to do it (5, Funny)

Lane.exe (672783) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401755)

The lights come up deep within SCO's main control room...

SCO worker:Captain! We get signal!

Chris Sontag:Main screen turn on!

Japanese dignitary appears, holding Darl McBride captive

Sontag:It's you!

Dignitary:Good evening, gentleman... all your CEOs are belong to us...

Here we come Godzilla 2003 (2, Funny)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401759)

Godzilla 2003: SCO vs Godzilla

IBM is pushing this?? (4, Insightful)

MtViewGuy (197597) | more than 11 years ago | (#6401762)

I think you may want to look carefully at one of the major vendors that is developing this Linux-based computing system: IBM.

You know, the same IBM that spent over US$1 billion to port Linux over to run on S/390 and AS/400 hardware. In short, the so-called "Linux wins" are mostly due to the fact they're getting IBM big iron computers running Linux.
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