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Berkeley TCP socket interface for the Apple IIgs

CowboyNeal posted more than 11 years ago | from the dusting-it-off dept.

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Scott C. Linnenbringer writes "In case you wanted to do something cool with your fancy little Apple IIgs in the back room, you can use GS/TCP to implement a standard BSD socket interface, allowing you to connect via SLIP, MacIP, and soon PPP on a GNO/ME (GNO Multitasking Environment) UNIX system for the IIgs, now completely abandoned, open-sourced and labeled freeware. GS/TCP also comes with ftp and inetd, built with ORCA/C directly from BSDi sources (hacked, of course,) and a text web browser for GNO/ME can be found at the website."

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I GOT TEH FROSTY PISS!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6412913)

Posted from the nero-online.org Troll Library [nero-online.org]

Following my work researching The Linux Gay Conspiracy, I am saddened to announced that I have discovered yet another

orgy of perverted heterophobic values. My claim lies with the Slashdot mangement.

First, what kind of name is Slashdot? This is obviously a code word in the homosexual community for something perverted.
Slashdot is an anagram of LAD SHOTS, which refers to Slashdot's pedophile agenda and T ASS HOLD, which refers to

some gay sexual posistion that Michael and CmdrTaco enjoy.

The 'editors' of Slashdot, as they call themselves, are homosexual swingers with cleverly disguised nicknames.

CmdrTaco [slashdot.org] (aka "Rob" Malda) is the "head" honcho of Slashdot.

Cmdr obviously refers to his desire to dominate over his gay partners, and Taco is obviously a sly reference to his colon.

Update: It is well known that Taco claims to be married to Kate Fent. No one really believes that 'she' is actually his

wife. We have proof that this 'she' is actually a he. It turns out that Kathleen Fent is an anagram of KAHN FELT EN ET.

So this Kate of his is really Kahn who "felt in it". I will not describe what that means as I am sure you can imagine yourself.

Michael Sims [izzy.net] , who goes as 'michael' on Slashdot, is a well known thug [spectacle.org] and advancer of homosexual agenda. His name is an anagram of

ASS CHIME MIL which obviously refers to his desire to flaunt his lower organ.Update: It turns out that Michael

Sims is an anagram of ASS LICE, HMM, I?. That is so sick that words cannot describe the horror.

Father Randy "Pudge" O'Day [urbandictionary.com] is Slashdot's Mac propagandist.

Macintosh computers are well known as the Gay computer due to their homosexual colors and stylings. An email exchange between

'Pudge' and Apple HQ have been leaked by a former Apple employee who converted to heterosexuality. These two emails (here [slashdot.org] and here [slashdot.org] ) have been repeatedly posted on Slashdot, but are

quickly censored by Slashdot moderators who do not want the public to know about its agenda.Update form Subject Line Troll [slashdot.org] - it appears the O'Day is just a few letter changes

away from I'm Gay and rhymes with O'Day. Is anyone surprised that Mr. Pudge is a fudge packing Mac hippie?

Simoniker [goatse.cx] , a recent addition to Slashdot has been uncovered as Mr. Goatse [goatse.cx] himself. Simoniker is a frequent poster to the Games section of Slashdot, obviously

because he enjoies modded versions of Quake 3 and UT2K3 as a homosexual warrior who likes to 'overcome' his opponents with his

exagerated sized love member. In addition, Simoniker is an anagram of KEN I RIM SO (Ken is probably his current

boyfriend) and MEN I IRK SO (which refers to his frustratingly troubled gay relationships, probably due to his rather

large asshole).

Please reply with additional information, contributions, and corrections. I will include any additional information and credit

you with it in my further releases of this report.

PROPERLY FORMATTED VERSION - PROPS TO MY GAY NIGS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6412921)

Posted from the nero-online.org Troll Library [nero-online.org]

Following my work researching The Linux Gay Conspiracy, I am saddened to announced that I have discovered yet another orgy of perverted heterophobic values. My claim lies with the Slashdot mangement.

First, what kind of name is Slashdot? This is obviously a code word in the homosexual community for something perverted.
Slashdot is an anagram of LAD SHOTS, which refers to Slashdot's pedophile agenda and T ASS HOLD, which refers to some gay sexual posistion that Michael and CmdrTaco enjoy.

The 'editors' of Slashdot, as they call themselves, are homosexual swingers with cleverly disguised nicknames.

CmdrTaco [slashdot.org] (aka "Rob" Malda) is the "head" honcho of Slashdot. Cmdr obviously refers to his desire to dominate over his gay partners, and Taco is obviously a sly reference to his colon. Update: It is well known that Taco claims to be married to Kate Fent. No one really believes that 'she' is actually his wife. We have proof that this 'she' is actually a he. It turns out that Kathleen Fent is an anagram of KAHN FELT EN ET. So this Kate of his is really Kahn who "felt in it". I will not describe what that means as I am sure you can imagine yourself.

Michael Sims [izzy.net] , who goes as 'michael' on Slashdot, is a well known thug [spectacle.org] and advancer of homosexual agenda. His name is an anagram of ASS CHIME MIL which obviously refers to his desire to flaunt his lower organ.Update: It turns out that Michael Sims is an anagram of ASS LICE, HMM, I?. That is so sick that words cannot describe the horror.

Father Randy "Pudge" O'Day [urbandictionary.com] is Slashdot's Mac propagandist. Macintosh computers are well known as the Gay computer due to their homosexual colors and stylings. An email exchange between 'Pudge' and Apple HQ have been leaked by a former Apple employee who converted to heterosexuality. These two emails (here [slashdot.org] and here [slashdot.org] ) have been repeatedly posted on Slashdot, but are quickly censored by Slashdot moderators who do not want the public to know about its agenda.Update form Subject Line Troll [slashdot.org] - it appears the O'Day is just a few letter changes away from I'm Gay and rhymes with O'Day. Is anyone surprised that Mr. Pudge is a fudge packing Mac hippie?

Simoniker [goatse.cx] , a recent addition to Slashdot has been uncovered as Mr. Goatse [goatse.cx] himself. Simoniker is a frequent poster to the Games section of Slashdot, obviously because he enjoies modded versions of Quake 3 and UT2K3 as a homosexual warrior who likes to 'overcome' his opponents with his exagerated sized love member. In addition, Simoniker is an anagram of KEN I RIM SO (Ken is probably his current boyfriend) and MEN I IRK SO (which refers to his frustratingly troubled gay relationships, probably due to his rather large asshole).

Please reply with additional information, contributions, and corrections. I will include any additional information and credit you with it in my further releases of this report.

Re:PROPERLY FORMATTED VERSION - PROPS TO MY GAY NI (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6412977)

You are now an official honorary member of the Gay Niggers Association of America, #GNAA on EFNet

Re:PROPERLY FORMATTED VERSION - PROPS TO MY GAY NI (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6413268)

Theres a channel on EFNet just for the GNAA? I thought EFNet was the GNAA!

FP (-1, Troll)

usotsuki (530037) | more than 11 years ago | (#6412914)

Freeware? Nay, I say, GNO is GPL!

FP

-uso.

f4L3y0R3!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6412931)


FP


u R teh f4L3y0R3!!!

beeyotch!!

Re:FP (-1)

I POOP ON FAILURES! (685242) | more than 11 years ago | (#6412961)

I am sad to announce that YOU FAILED IT! and that I am about to poop on your pitiful failure. Please ensure that you do not fail it next time to prevent further poopings.

This [nero-online.org] was my last victim. WARNING: GRAPHIC PHOTO. She failed it miserably.

FORST PSOTIS ASOASP POST PIST! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6412915)

* Are you gay?
* Are you a nigger?
* Are you a GAY NIGGER?

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If you have mod points and would like to support GNAA, please moderate this post up.

P.S. To keep this post on-topic, the GNAA happens to have this set up a very niggerly IIgs in the back room.

-A Proudly Gay Nigger

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a-----a-aa----a---a-a-----a-a---
a-------a-a---a--a---a---a---a--
a--aaaa-a--a--a-a-----a-a-----a-
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Acronyms... with slashes (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6412920)

Don't you mean GNU/GNO/ME?

fuck you (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6412922)

fuck all you cunts

Man... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6412926)

Just when you thought the web couldn't get any slower....

very slow (-1, Flamebait)

jchristopher (198929) | more than 11 years ago | (#6412928)

"allowing you to connect via SLIP, MacIP, and soon PPP... and a text web browser for GNO/ME can be found at the website."

The ironic part is that the whole thing runs about as fast as a browser on OS X.

Re:very slow (1)

rice_web (604109) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413035)

Is it ironic? [slashdot.org]

Inevitable question, sorry... (4, Funny)

r84x (650348) | more than 11 years ago | (#6412929)

In case you wanted to do something cool with your fancy little Apple IIgs in the back room...

What if I already have a beowulf cluster of them?

Re:Inevitable question, sorry... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6413066)

Don't worry, this guy can still help you - with advice on how to be less of a geek.

Acronyms, This one has plenty (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6412933)

TAHWTMA = This arcticle has way to many acronyms.

Can you imagine a non techie reading this article.

SLASHDOT IS GHEY!! LUNIX VLAGGOTS!! OMG!! ROFL!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6412936)

Posted from the nero-online.org Troll Library [nero-online.org]

Following my work researching The Linux Gay Conspiracy, I am saddened to announced that I have discovered yet another orgy of perverted heterophobic values. My claim lies with the Slashdot mangement.

First, what kind of name is Slashdot? This is obviously a code word in the homosexual community for something perverted.
Slashdot is an anagram of LAD SHOTS, which refers to Slashdot's pedophile agenda and T ASS HOLD, which refers to some gay sexual posistion that Michael and CmdrTaco enjoy.

The 'editors' of Slashdot, as they call themselves, are homosexual swingers with cleverly disguised nicknames.

CmdrTaco [slashdot.org] (aka "Rob" Malda) is the "head" honcho of Slashdot. Cmdr obviously refers to his desire to dominate over his gay partners, and Taco is obviously a sly reference to his colon. Update: It is well known that Taco claims to be married to Kate Fent. No one really believes that 'she' is actually his wife. We have proof that this 'she' is actually a he. It turns out that Kathleen Fent is an anagram of KAHN FELT EN ET. So this Kate of his is really Kahn who "felt in it". I will not describe what that means as I am sure you can imagine yourself.

Michael Sims [izzy.net] , who goes as 'michael' on Slashdot, is a well known thug [spectacle.org] and advancer of homosexual agenda. His name is an anagram of ASS CHIME MIL which obviously refers to his desire to flaunt his lower organ.Update: It turns out that Michael Sims is also an anagram of ASS LICE, HMM, I?. That is so sick that words cannot describe the horror.

Father Randy "Pudge" O'Day [urbandictionary.com] is Slashdot's Mac propagandist. Macintosh computers are well known as the Gay computer due to their homosexual colors and stylings. An email exchange between 'Pudge' and Apple HQ have been leaked by a former Apple employee who converted to heterosexuality. These two emails (here [slashdot.org] and here [slashdot.org] ) have been repeatedly posted on Slashdot, but are quickly censored by Slashdot moderators who do not want the public to know about its agenda.Update form Subject Line Troll [slashdot.org] - it appears the O'Day is just a few letter changes away from I'm Gay and rhymes with O'Day. Is anyone surprised that Mr. Pudge is a fudge packing Mac hippie?

Simoniker [goatse.cx] , a recent addition to Slashdot has been uncovered as Mr. Goatse [goatse.cx] himself. Simoniker is a frequent poster to the Games section of Slashdot, obviously because he enjoies modded versions of Quake 3 and UT2K3 as a homosexual warrior who likes to 'overcome' his opponents with his exagerated sized love member. In addition, Simoniker is an anagram of KEN I RIM SO (Ken is probably his current boyfriend) and MEN I IRK SO (which refers to his frustratingly troubled gay relationships, probably due to his rather large asshole).

Please reply with additional information, contributions, and corrections. I will include any additional information and credit you with it in my further releases of this report.

News Huh? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6412938)

This is news because the date on the picture is February, 1996?

One more spawn for our beloved BSD (2, Insightful)

sokkelih (632304) | more than 11 years ago | (#6412940)

BSD lives forever. And there is nothing that you can do about it. :)

Re:One more spawn for our beloved BSD (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6413075)

havent you heard?
BSD is dead.

URGENT ASSISTANT NEEDED! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6413178)

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My husband was also the Chairman of OMPADEC,Jesse branch.In his position as the Royal head and Chairman of the OMPADEC, Jesse branch,he made some money which he left for me and our children asthe only thing to inherit. The money is Twelve Million US Dollars($12M).

Though this said fund accumulated between the period 1976-1998. Due to poor banking system in Nigeria and political instability as a result of past Military rules (1985-1999), he deposited this Money in a Strong Room/safe with an open beneficiary in Apex Bank of Nigeria pending when he would finish arrangement to transfer it abroad as a CONTRACT PAYMENT. He was planning this when he died late last year of Heart Attack.

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..AND BTW. BSD IS D_E_A_D!

Franklin Ace 1000 (1)

Barlo_Mung_42 (411228) | more than 11 years ago | (#6412945)

That's nice and all but when can I get this for my Franklin Ace 1000? hmmm?

Please don't rely on Slashdot for this info (-1, Offtopic)

antibryce (124264) | more than 11 years ago | (#6412946)

Please, before you use this software to develop any mission critical applications or enterprise solutions DOUBLE-CHECK that this GNO/ME is truly open-sourced.

Someone should also make sure SCO doesn't think they own the rights to it

Re:Please don't rely on Slashdot for this info (2, Informative)

Endareth (684446) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413019)

However, instead of simply stopping sales of GNO and letting the software wander into oblivion, I am placing GNO into "freeware" status, and I am also making available all source code to the 2.0.4 version to the public and the development community.

If I understand this correctly, the owner of the source code has fully released it to the community, thereby making this 100% freeware, no conditions. As this doesn't appear to be derived from any other flavour of *NIX, I don't think there's anything stopping anyone doing whatever they choose with it.

Re:Please don't rely on Slashdot for this info (1)

usotsuki (530037) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413043)

AFAICT you are right, but I do recall seeing a GPL disclaimer. (At this time, I can't find it.)

-uso.

"Freeware" means nothing legally. Pick a license. (4, Interesting)

jbn-o (555068) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413216)

If I understand this correctly, the owner of the source code has fully released it to the community, thereby making this 100% freeware, no conditions.

Then the copyright holder should have said this software is in the public domain. That would have meaning (as would licensing under the remarkably liberal new BSD and MIT X11 licenses). The term "freeware" has no legal meaning and is not a license, therefore it cannot be considered free software or open source. The FSF warns against using the word freeware to mean "free software" [gnu.org] . As things are, it is unclear exactly what the copyright holder(s) were trying to convey which means the software should be regarded as non-free and therefore it would be wise to avoid the software. Here's hoping the copyright holder(s) pick a free software license [gnu.org] .

Networked Choplifter Baby... (0, Funny)

bokumo (169717) | more than 11 years ago | (#6412949)

Sweet! I can't wait to play Choplifter over the Internet!

Re:Networked Choplifter Baby... (1)

Barlo_Mung_42 (411228) | more than 11 years ago | (#6412954)

omg. that brings me back. I wish I could still play choplifter. Alas, all the disks for my Franklin Ace 1000 are dead. /me wept

Re:Networked Choplifter Baby... (1)

Zork the Almighty (599344) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413079)

Use MAME, or any number of emulators. A google search for choplifter brought up the rom as well.

Re:Networked Choplifter Baby... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6413085)

thats nothing, i can remember plaing banana toss in dos qbasic back in the day

Re:Networked Choplifter Baby... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6413134)

All you kids with your graphical games. What the hell was wrong with text based gaming I ask you?!?

haha (1)

Datasage (214357) | more than 11 years ago | (#6412953)

This is another one of those cool but completly useless projects.

Seriously, if your reading this, your probably have a better computer than an Apple IIgs.

Re:haha (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6412970)


Datasage: Seriously, if your reading this, your probably have a better computer than an Apple IIgs.

Faster? Yes.
Better? No.

/s-o

Re:haha (1)

Space Coyote (413320) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413041)

Datasage: Seriously, if your reading this, your probably have a better computer than an Apple IIgs. Faster? Yes. Better? No. /s-o Here here!

Re:haha (1)

Agent R (684654) | more than 11 years ago | (#6412991)

Maybe not so useless. It would certainly make a good dumb terminal if one needed it.

A novel idea. (1)

jromz03 (686423) | more than 11 years ago | (#6412957)

Kudos to those who pulls off stuff like these.

Re:What the editors don't want you to know........ (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6412962)

These companies were part of a fraudulent stock deal, commonly known as a "Pump and Dump". It is alleged in the leaked OSDN documents that Malda and Bates received payments in return for posting links to these falsified webpages, and stimulating grass roots interest in the Linux-based electronic products.

Why don't you just post the documents, instead of teasing us with this summary? If it's true, the facts will speak for themselves. It's not like Taco and Hemos will delete your comment.

Re:What the editors don't want you to know........ (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6412966)

It's not like Taco and Hemos will delete your comment.

HA!

Taco has the capability to delete comments. He has done it before when the DMCA was forced upon him, and if it came down to hiding something scandalous about what he did, he'd be more than happy to do that, dont you think?

How about something like Minix for the IIgs? (4, Interesting)

leereyno (32197) | more than 11 years ago | (#6412972)

I'm not familiar with the current legal status of the Minix source code, but I think it would be interesting to see a port of it to the IIgs. I don't have any illusions about such an effort yielding anything of practical use, I just think it would be cool. The x86 version of Minix will run on a PC/XT, a system whose processor lacks any sort of memory protection functionality, with 256k of memory and a single 360k floppy drive.

If an OS like contiki can be crafted for a C64, surely Minix or something like it can be made to work on the IIgs.

Lee

Re:How about something like Minix for the IIgs? (5, Informative)

usotsuki (530037) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413058)

Minix is BSD-licensed now.

It's theoretically possible. The IIgs's CPU is a 65816, a 16-bit variant of the 65C02. It has 24-bit memory addressing (like the 286). The IIgs came standard with 512K RAM, not too shabby for 1986. If GNO can run on top of GS/OS, I don't see why Minix can't be ported to it.

I suggest someone might want to download KEGS and a 65816 assembler, and maybe the GNO tools and try to bootstrap Minix on it.

Re:How about something like Minix for the IIgs? (1)

arekusu (159916) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413228)

nitpick: the ROM 1 IIgs came with 256k. The ROM 3 came with 1 meg.

Re:How about something like Minix for the IIgs? (3, Informative)

bobthemonkey13 (215219) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413074)

IANAL, but as far as I know, Minix is almost public domain: you can do nearly anything with it (licence here [cs.vu.nl] ).

As far as portability, the older version of Minix (1.5) runs on 68k (Amiga, Atari, and Macintosh) and SPARC, as well as x86 (32- and 16- bit). However, the 6502 used in the Apple 1/2/3 series is quite a bit more primitive than even a MMU-less x86 or 68k. In particular, fewer and smaller registers means more swapping to memory, which in turn reduces speed and increases code size. The 16-bit version of the 6502 used in the IIgs would be somewhat better than the 8-bit 6502s in the older Apples, but maybe not by enough. Also, Minix uses a microkernel architecture, which is all very nice from a theoretical standpoint, but causes a severe performance hit on really old hardware.

Is Minix on IIgs possible? Theoretically yes, since it's a Universal Turing Machine*. However, it's unlikely to fit within the extremely limited memory and speed constraints. Crafting a new OS from scratch would probably be much easier. But yes, it would be damn cool.

(*Yes, a UTM is assumed to have infinite storage space, so for theoretical purposes I'm assuming that we can hook a 6502 IIgs up to 512MB SDRAM or something.)

Heh... (4, Insightful)

Cyno01 (573917) | more than 11 years ago | (#6412973)

This is good news, i havn't done anything with my IIgs but play Oregon Trail, Carmen Sandiago and Number Munchers.

Re:Heh... (1)

realdpk (116490) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413164)

Do you remember that weird robot maze game? I wish I could remember its name, or even enough details so I can search for it. :)

The Bomb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6412974)

No dissing the IIgs. I cut my teeth on that thing when the alternatives were a 286 with crappy cga graphics or IIE unless you had a pile of cash. I'm glad someone posted this....it's motivation enough to brave the dust of the attic eaves and break that baby out. I probably won't get past a nostalgic Bard's Tale game or two though.

Long live the IIgs!

Not the only TCP/IP stack for the IIgs (5, Informative)

The Blue Meanie (223473) | more than 11 years ago | (#6412975)

Any reason there's no mention of marinetti [apple2.org] in this article? Marinetti implements a TCP/IP stack for the IIgs, but works under the IIgs' native interface, GS/OS. There's telnet, ftp, AIM, and email apps already, and even the beginnings of a *graphical* web browser for it. And yes, it's open source [sourceforge.net] as well.

Re:Not the only TCP/IP stack for the IIgs (3, Interesting)

The Blue Meanie (223473) | more than 11 years ago | (#6412985)

And at the risk of getting modded down for replying to my own post, I forgot to mention that marinetti also supports the LanceGS [a2central.com] , a 10Base-T ethernet card for the IIgs. Don't laugh, it really works!

And the winner is... (3, Funny)

m00nun1t (588082) | more than 11 years ago | (#6412978)

Against some VERY stiff competition, I nominate this article for the coveted /. "Nerdiest Article of the Year".

I mean, sheesh, more acronyms in that description than unwilling virgins on this site...

Bah humbug (-1, Offtopic)

Tuxinatorium (463682) | more than 11 years ago | (#6412980)

You'd have to be crazy to waste that much time on a woefully obsolete machine instead of using the modern one you've already got for the same purpose.

Re:Bah humbug (4, Interesting)

BWJones (18351) | more than 11 years ago | (#6412999)

You'd have to be crazy to waste that much time on a woefully obsolete machine instead of using the modern one you've already got for the same purpose.

Except the beautiful thing about the Apple ]['s were the learning one could get out of them. My Apple ][+ at least shipped with full schematics to the computer including all wiring and chip ID's. It was a fantastic opportunity for a then 11 year old back in 1981 or so, and some would argue that even modern adults can learn quite a bit from such an old architecture that is extensible enough to still function with much more modern technologies.

The other thing to consider is that this machine (Apple ][+) was essentially designed from scratch by one person. Steve Wozniak. Thank you Steve.

Why, you ask? (0, Funny)

Valar (167606) | more than 11 years ago | (#6412982)

Because we can.

But, seriously, I remember Apple IIes from grade school. They lagged when interpreting text based BASIC games... I mean, all of my programming assignments... Sounds like this stuff would make them keel over, more likely than not. Then again, the problem may have been the BASIC...

Re:Why, you ask? (1)

SN74S181 (581549) | more than 11 years ago | (#6412994)

The problem may have been the 'interpreted.'

BASIC code can be compiled to fast binaries, too.

Re:Why, you ask? (1, Funny)

Valar (167606) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413004)

mmm. The BASIC. We hates it. We hates it! *hisses loudly then runs off to hide behind his K&R*

Re:Why, you ask? (2, Informative)

Endareth (684446) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413002)

I remember Apple IIes from grade school

This article refers to the IIgs which is a completely different beastie. The IIgs was well ahead of it's time, and capable of supporting multiple hard drives, quite decent graphics, and a decent sound system. Used to play some really funky games on my friend's one :-). Think more Amiga than Apple for this one.

Re:Why, you ask? (3, Interesting)

FyreFiend (81607) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413107)


The IIgs was well ahead of it's time

I could be way off but didn't the IIgs come out in '86 (or at least some time after the Mac)? I do know that it was slower then the Mac Plus which I thought was out at the same time and while the IIgs did have color the dispay was rather blocky. As for multiple hard drives, so could the Mac with it's built in SCSI (I know there were add on cards for the IIgs to handle SCSI as well but I don't think they came standard).

Re:Why, you ask? (1)

Endareth (684446) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413160)

Can't remember release dates, but while the clock speed on the IIgs was far slower than the Mac Plus, it was actually a decent bit faster computer. I don't really recall specifics, but from using them side-by-side the IIgs would definately have been my computer of choice.

Re:Why, you ask? (1)

FyreFiend (81607) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413197)

While I did like the Apple ][ computers (I still have my ][e that was upgraded to a IIgs) I always found Macs to feel faster and less clunky.
For most people I knew with IIgs's (including me) the main draw was the ability to run the old Apple ][ software on the same box as a modern (well, sort of modern for it's time) OS with a GUI. The lack of backwards compatability with the old Apple ][ software was the Mac's weak point in the early days.
That being said, for most people the gs was too litttle to late in the day of Macs.

Re:Why, you ask? (2, Informative)

usotsuki (530037) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413068)

Ah yes. Applesoft BASIC.

More correctly, Apple's adaptation of Miro$oft BASIC-6502. Yeah. From 1977. No wonder it was teh suxor. But it was nice to cut my teeth on, although I would've killed for a C compiler back when I was using the ][...or the IIgs later...

BTW the BASIC on the IIgs doesn't take any advantage of the 65816. *sigh*

-uso.
Want an Apple //e emulator? See my link above!

Great introduction to Computational Complexity... (4, Interesting)

appleLaserWriter (91994) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413116)

My earliest programming memories were on Apple II systems writing looping code in Logo or BASIC. In college, I concentrated on theoretical computer science, possibly because the general limits of computational machinery were made obvious to me through those early years on the apple.

Write some code in Visual Basic.NET and the first thing you notice is that you need a 4GB dual Xeon box just to boot the IDE! In a more efficient environment like VS6 or GCC+Emacs you have to write some complex code before you begin to notice performance limitations of the host machine.

I suppose this is analogous to hopping up 1960's muscle cars versus today's ricecars. The muscle cars were simple enough that owners could make meaningful performance upgrades. Modern cars benefit somewhat from a new chip, but most owners just change the bodywork and add lots of wings.

That having been said, I like my TiBook at least as much as I like my old Apple ][.

Re:Great introduction to Computational Complexity. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6413280)

In a more efficient environment like VS6 or GCC+Emacs..

Come again? I think you've confused Emacs with a usable text editor.

Stack hardware accelerators (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6412984)

Anybody here tell me if this is all compatible with the hardware TCP/IP accelerators I've been reading about recently?

Gettin' this processin' off the tcp/ip stack on each machine would be heaven

how wonderfully useless (0, Flamebait)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 11 years ago | (#6412989)

This is both interesting and a terrible shame. It's interesting, because the people involved obviously have some talent. It's a shame, because they're devoting such talent to utterly useless projects.

There's NOTHING you couldn't do better, easier, cheaper, for less power/heat, in a smaller package, and faster(all by dozens of orders of magnitude)...with something more modern.

Even the 8-bit uC sitting on my desk right now runs at 50mhz, fully supports C or an easy to learn assembly language- it's got seperate data+IO busses, 5-6 serial ports(SPI, IrDA, RS232, RS485 are all supported), dozens of IO lines for bitwise or parallel IO...builtin ethernet with a VERY thorough royalty-free TCP/IP stack w/large set of utility routines, two forms of realtime operations(one is the uCOSII). Oh yes, and it costs about $50 in single-unit quantities including ethenet magnetics etc...with very aggressive quantity pricing. Oh, and it's based off the Z80 family, so if you know the Z80, you'll find this baby pretty familiar(if you hadn't guessed already, this is the Rabbit3000 core module.)

...and it's just ONE of hundreds of uC's available.

Re:how wonderfully useless (1)

SN74S181 (581549) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413008)

Oh yes, and it costs about $50 in single-unit quantities

Ouch! That's pricey. The Rabbit is one of those potted-in-epoxy modules, isn't it?

Some of us like our micros less integrated, and, say, more in the $2-6 range. I'll graft on ethernet where I need it.

Re:how wonderfully useless (1)

runderwo (609077) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413027)

This is both interesting and a terrible shame. It's interesting, because the people involved obviously have some talent. It's a shame, because they're devoting such talent to utterly useless projects.
I'm glad someone appointed you the official arbitrator of usefulness. Yes, these people obviously don't have enough perspective on their own lives; when will they realize that they should do only things that others find useful, instead of the things that they want to do?

It's a shame that so many people today waste time on frivolous things like "having an idea and pursuing it" and "learning by doing". They should be doing their duty and filling up empty slots in The Machine instead!

Re:how wonderfully useless (-1, Flamebait)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413127)

I'm glad someone appointed you the official arbitrator of usefulness.

Nobody appointed me. Look at availability(poor), functionality(poor), serviceability(none, period), development tools(none), technology(OVER twenty years old)...and decide for yourself. You can barely buy 5.25" floppies these days(although the IIGS did use 3.5"). It's like people who still waste time developing stuff for the Commodore 64, or insist that tube amps/phonographs sound better(they don't, they sound worse.) If they stopped and looked around at the tools available to them today, they'd be amazed. Read the review of the Rabbit2000 in Circuit Cellar; the guy can't stop raving about how what used to require a 500W power supply, had a couple bytes of ram, a few IO lines, NO development tools etc...is outclassed by something that fits on his thumb, and offers so much more.

It's a shame that so many people today waste time on frivolous things like "having an idea and pursuing it"

I NEVER said you shouldn't have an idea and pursue it. But there's no sense in working on something that is DEAD, when there's something more modern available that's better in ALL ways.

Re:how wonderfully useless (1)

cerberusss (660701) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413082)

It's a shame, because they're devoting such talent to utterly useless projects.
If you ask me, I think you should spend that time on slashdot on a more useful project, appointed by me.

I don't hack for profit, I hack for FUN (4, Insightful)

leereyno (32197) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413093)

If someone were proposing that this continue to be developed as part of a commerical enterprise I'd tell them to take the needle out of their arm.

The point of projects like this one is to have fun and learn skills that can be used for endeavors that have a more practical use.

What better way to learn the ins and outs of a TCP/IP stack than to implement one? What better way to learn about an OS than to write one, even if it is on hardware thats somewhere between having a Bar Mitzvah and being old enough to vote?

Lee

Re:I don't hack for profit, I hack for FUN (-1, Flamebait)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413150)

I don't hack for profit, I hack for FUN

Who said anything about profit? Further, I hack around for fun too, but I do it with modern tools and technologies. There's no point in starting with older technology, since nobody uses it anymore. Do you realize that most of the IIGS probably used TTL circuitry, instead of CMOS, which is the norm now? Nevermind that it runs at such slow speeds that you'd never learn about RF interference, EFI/EMI considerations, etc...

The point of projects like this one is to have fun and learn skills that can be used for endeavors that have a more practical use.

Please explain what useful skills you can learn working on a IIGS that are practical today. It would be like spending months learning all about tube amps, and then trying to find a job as an electrical engineer; you'd be very hard pressed to find employment(save a few snooty audio companies and some Air Traffic Control towers), because your skills would be so outdated as to be useless. When you walked into any electronics supply house or opened any electronics catalog, you wouldn't be able to find what you needed to "mess around for fun". When you did find tubes, they'd cost 100x as much as an IC that replaced thousands(or millions!) of them. I can buy a complete functioning uC with onboard ethernet, digital and analog IO, etc for less than a single tube.

What better way to learn the ins and outs of a TCP/IP stack than to implement one? What better way to learn about an OS than to write one, even if it is on hardware thats somewhere between having a Bar Mitzvah and being old enough to vote?

How about doing it on modern tools? The assembly language used in the IIGS is useless today, hopelessly outdated. Your argument is akin to saying "here, learn Word Perfect for DOS, it'll help you learn valuable skills!"- except clearly it won't teach you ANYTHING about using a modern operating system, modern word processors...or even a fucking mouse.

But... (1)

appleLaserWriter (91994) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413104)

Can your uC play Oregon Trail?

I bet it comes with a free TCP/IP stack too!

Let's not rehash (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6412992)

The TRS-80/Apple II flamewars. We'll just call it a draw, ok?

Apple Computer Announces The IIgs (5, Funny)

rice_web (604109) | more than 11 years ago | (#6412993)

Apple Computer Announces The IIgs
RetroSoft's Exclusive Look

A motor-horse 2800KHz, 1MHz FSB and 8192KB RAM, all topped off with a beautiful, crisp, 2-bit (4-bit supported!), 640x480 monitor.

Apple really hit the mark with this beast, even including audiophiles that needed state-of-the-art mono sound output, capable of digital sound processing (line-in will be included in future models). When we listened to the latest hits in MIDI, they sounded remarkably better than our IBM-Compatible BEEP in QBasic.

Finally, the IIgs comes with a built-in floppy drive to store all your files, games, and, "most importantly music, " according to Steve Jobs.

"Now you can take all your music with you anywhere, over 1,000 digital music files in your pocket. The new floppy has no moving parts, meaning a better overall product for our users. We've got a real hit with the IIgs."

Re:Apple Computer Announces The IIgs (1)

arekusu (159916) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413220)

Re: audiophiles,

The Ensoniq 5503 DOC was actually quite sophisticated for 1986: 32 sampling voices (8 bit) with independent playback rate, volume and looping control, and programmable interrupt rates. It not only supported stereo in and out (not included by Apple) but _eight_ channel output.

Granted there was only 64k of sample RAM, but people eventually figured out how to trigger dynamic sample swapping via interrupts.

Re:Apple Computer Announces The IIgs (1)

CordMeyer (452485) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413250)

Could you please tell me which type of sound output is less state-of-the-art than mono?

Re:Apple Computer Announces The IIgs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6413286)

1 bit square wave FM. Otherwise known as the PC speaker.

Lamenting the dead: What Killed FreeBSD (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6413000)

The End of FreeBSD

[ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]

When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.

Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.

FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.

It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.

So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.

Discussion

I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.

From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.

There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.

Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.

Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?

Shouts

To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.

To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It's when you get distracted by the politickers that they sideline you. The tireless work that you perform keeping the system clean and building is what provides the platform for the obsessives and the prima donnas to have their moments in the sun. In the end, we need you all; in order to go forwards we must first avoid going backwards.

To the paranoid conspiracy theorists - yes, I work for Apple too. No, my resignation wasn't on Steve's direct orders, or in any way related to work I'm doing, may do, may not do, or indeed what was in the tea I had at lunchtime today. It's about real problems that the project faces, real problems that the project has brought upon itself. You can't escape them by inventing excuses about outside influence, the problem stems from within.

To the politically obsessed - give it a break, if you can. No, the project isn't a lemonade stand anymore, but it's not a world-spanning corporate juggernaut either and some of the more grandiose visions going around are in need of a solid dose of reality. Keep it simple, stupid.

To the grandstanders, the prima donnas, and anyone that thinks that they can hold the project to ransom for their own agenda - give it a break, if you can. When the current core were elected, we took a conscious stand against vigorous sanctions, and some of you have exploited that. A new core is going to have to decide whether to repeat this mistake or get tough. I hope they learn from our errors.

Future

I started work on FreeBSD because it was fun. If I'm going to continue, it has to be fun again. There are things I still feel obligated to do, and with any luck I'll find the time to meet those obligations.

However I don't feel an obligation to get involved in the political mess the project is in right now. I tried, I burnt out. I don't feel that my efforts were worthwhile. So I won't be standing for election, I won't be shouting from the sidelines, and I probably won't vote in the next round of ballots.

You could say I'm packing up my toys. I'm not going home just yet, but I'm not going to play unless you can work out how to make the project somewhere fun to be again.

= Mike

--

To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -- Theodore Roosevelt

A "cheapest and slowest network" contest, anyone? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6413011)

You'd be ripped off if you bought IIgs-es at a dime a dozen. A linksys router is about 1500x faster than the IIgs. So, um, unless you're just really looking to win the "slowest, cheapest network" contest, I'm wondering what practical use this is.

Checked my calendar-- its not Apr. 1 anymore.

GNO's Not Orca (4, Informative)

jsanfroop (688600) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413015)

Well, what's this.. looks like someone has stumbled across some 7 year old webpages!

One should note that the GNO/ME distribution does not include GS/TCP. Indeed try Marinetti [apple2.org] if you want to play around with TCP/IP on your GS.

GNO/ME stands for GNO's Not Orca.. named after the Orca shell in which you could use their compiler tools..

Not really worth checking out, unless it brings back that special nostalgia if you're one of the few who actually used this software 10 years ago.

I don't think I saw a link to www.gno.org [gno.org] so there it is, go grab your GNO! You can find download links if you like..

Or you could cut your penis off and mail it to (-1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413021)

nerds R us.

Holy crap.

At what point does being a geek cease to be human interest and just become what dust does when the wind stops blowing?

Coolness! (2, Funny)

Kaz Riprock (590115) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413025)


Now I can setup that anonymous ftp server for my 1 pirated mp3 for people to download! When will someone port KaZaA for me?

Eh? (1, Funny)

brsmith4 (567390) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413034)

GNOME on an apple II? You must think we're fscking stupid or something. No way in hell.

ZZZZZZZ (-1, Troll)

darth_MALL (657218) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413045)

Slowest. Article. Ever.

VLAD AS A MARTIAL ARTS ESPERT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6413050)

..people, carnivores... let's eat the meat!

"I agree with Nas on this. Funny, if totally off base. I am 5'11". I weight close to 240 lbs, and work out 2 hours a day. I've been a student of the Martial Arts since I was 7. Feel free to come by and see me for a free lesson. There are two very good hospitals within 5 minutes.

If you cannot speak the lanuage of reason, I cam capible of coming down to your level. That isn't a responsbile tactic with Google however, and isn't going to help Dave."

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GNO/ME is a BSD (3, Informative)

usotsuki (530037) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413051)

From the
FAQ [mit.edu] :

GNO contains components that originate with a variety of flavors of UNIX. These include 4.3BSD, XINU, and SYSV. It is mostly BSD. As of GNO v2.0.6, GNO has become closer to 4.4BSD. Work is in progress to make it as compliant as possible to POSIX 1003.1 and POSIX 1003.2.

-uso.

Re:GNO/ME is a BSD (1)

pe1chl (90186) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413072)

components from SYSV...?

I bet they'll get a letter from SCO soon!

I'm sorry... (1, Troll)

ayjay29 (144994) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413059)

"you can use GS/TCP to implement a standard BSD socket interface, allowing you to connect via SLIP, MacIP, and soon PPP on a GNO/ME (GNO Multitasking Environment) UNIX system for the IIgs"

Sorry, but I have no idea what any of that means. Either I'm loosing my touch with IT issue, or there is another level of extreme geekdom that I have never before encountered. Is this kind of stuff relevant in today's IT industry, or is it mealy the electronic masturbation of the great un-shaved?

Apple IIGS Scene (4, Interesting)

feisar.de (688604) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413063)

"In case you wanted to do something cool with your fancy little Apple IIgs in the back room"

Well, in that case, I'd rather go to Ninjaforce [ninjaforce.com] , download some demos, sit back and enjoy!

By the way, there is an IRC client, too.

Re:Apple IIGS Scene (1)

usotsuki (530037) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413084)

Ninjaforce? Ye gads, didn't they do the sound for Wolfenstein 3-D GS?

Ghod, I love that game. *g*

-uso.

Re:Apple IIGS Scene (1)

jesseblue (688611) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413136)

Yes, that was us. :)
Many greetings,

Jesse Blue

Stallman going at it again? (-1, Offtopic)

megazoid81 (573094) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413089)

I bet RMS intimidated the makers of GNOME into calling it GNO/ME.

KEGS (5, Informative)

metatruk (315048) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413105)

For all you kids at home with nothing to do and no Apple IIgs I recommend this fine emulator available at:
http://kegs.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]

Is there really a reason? (0)

222 (551054) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413106)

Seriously, is there really a need for something like this to happen? At the risk of frowning on something that some guy did "just because he could", does anyone actually use these computers anymore? I deal with alot of users, and the OLDEST machine ive seen in years still being used as an internet capable machine is a 486/66DX. Those are few and far between. Im all for hobbys, (i recently spend a week learning how to program atari games) but is this really front page material? Arent there more pressing [informationweek.com] issues [sciam.com] at [com.com] hand [washingtonpost.com] ?

Test (-1, Troll)

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An important history lesson, directly related (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6413122)

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In the early 1870s, Francis Zefran became the first penis bird breeder in North America. He started his famous Penis Bird Ranch in Canton, OH. At the time, not much was known of the penis bird's nutritional value, but the Penis Bird Ranch changed all of that. Not only did Francis Zefran raise penis birds to sell their colorful plumes (a VERY lucrative business), he also set up the world's first research lab dedicated solely to the study of the penis bird.


The lab found many interesting things. First, it was discovered that thepenis bird was actually semi-sentient. Second, the scientists found that the meat of the penis bird was high in protein, vitamin A, vitamin B, and calcium, while low in fat, cholestorol, and sodium. Never before had such a nutritious meal been had without supplement or fortification. The scientists of the lab recommended immediately that the penis bird become a part of every American's daily diet.


When the news of the penis bird's usefulness reached president Rutherford B. Hayes, he was absolutely ecstatic. You see, President Hayes owed a number of favors to Francis Zefran because as I said earlier, the penis bird plume trade was an extremely lucrative business and Mr. Zefran was important in getting RBH elected through a number of monetary gifts. President Hayes immediately asked Congress to pass what we all know today as the Hayes/Zefran Penis Bird Consumption Act.


The act did a number of things to make the penis bird a daily meal, most important of which was the requirement that for every four people in a household, one penis bird must consumed every day. Another thing the act did was create an artificial monopoly for Francis Zefran's Penis Bird Industries. The act stated that the only supplier of penis bird meat in the US would be PBI. As one would imagine, this quickly made Francis Zefran into the richest man in the world. He was soon a multi-billionaire (quadrillionaire with today's inflation). Never before had a single man seen such wealth.


Many challenges were made to the Hayes/Zefran Penis Bird Consumption Act, and several even made it the Supreme Court. It was argued that the act was unconstitutional and went against liberty itself, but once the detractors tasted delicious penis bird meat for the first time, they immediately dropped their cases and followed the law to the letter. We all know today that penis bird is the most delicious meat man has ever known, but at that time, the only meats people ate were pork and beef.


In the early 1970s, though, challenges to the act began again. Many argued that the monopoly given to Penis Bird Industries by the act was in all ways unamerican. The Supreme Court finally agreed, and in 1974, Section II of the act was struck down. This in effect opened the market to competition for all.


Today, Penis Bird Industries is almost no more. Today we have the market leader Penis Bird Meat International facing against Penissoft, a recent startup. Where will the future lead the penis bird market? Only time will tell us, but one thing is certain: penis birds are here to stay!


-klerck (Reproduced by AC)

What this brings to mind is.... (3, Interesting)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413143)

Why isn't everything for the IIGS freeware? With the exception of schools that didn't get the trillions of dollars that Bush put into education, who's actually using a GS on a day to day basis?

I *have* a GS, and I don't use it. I emulate one on my PB 5300 (another limping animal that should be put down ;) with Bernie to the Rescue.

With the exception of the pain in the ass of making and managing floppy images (which is infinitely better than trying to nab them off a IIe) it works great. I'm glad that this software is free, but this just illustrates the BS of copyright laws. Unmaintained or un-updated software should lose copyright protection after 10 years AT MOST. This allows dumbasses like me to emulate, or actually *use* the hardware I own.

Like I'm going to go out and buy Karateka any time soon (Don't try to hit the princess, she will smoke your ass like a looter in a riot!).

Seriously, If the publishers need $$$ that bad, keep the trademarks (so someone can release Rescue Raiders II ((Rockstar Games??!)), and dump the software to freeware so assholes like me can play a classic, learn basic, explore and compare the limits of software and hardware of yesteryear and today, and so I can finally find out what I put on the back of those 5.25 floppies.

Oh, and not have to try and explain why Gemstone Warrior was so frickin' creepy-scary, and why the Beagle Brothers kicked ass.

Remember, all the software you use *right now* will still be copyrighted long after you're dead, Apple makes the G69 with OSeX (things will be looser that way, I'm sure) and Bill Gates will either be hooked up to a machine, or *be* a machine (let's hope it runs on Windows either way.

Good example - Cinemaware. Releasing all their old ROMs and images. *FREE* Defender of the Crown anyone?
Re-releasing the games for a new market: Phones, GBA, PDA etc.

Do more of that, or so help me, I'll grab Locksmith 6.0, and Copy II+ 7 and 9 and I'll do it for you, you publish-whores! Put that on a bun and eat it!

*BSD is dying (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6413145)

It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dying

It's Dying (0, Troll)

agent dero (680753) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413183)

Apple IIgs is dying!

in the back room?! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6413199)

"In case you wanted to do something cool with your fancy little Apple IIgs in the back room"
I think cowboyNeal needs a girlfriend, you sicko.

P.D: why isn't this also in the apple section?

Just How Slow (0, Flamebait)

Effugas (2378) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413240)

I don't think people grasp just how slow the Apple IIgs was.

I, of course, didn't. Middle school for me was defined by the l'il bugger, minus about six months of its power supply choking if I did something excessive like use the floppy drive (800K, and _no_ hard drive).

I have fond memories of flaming people for using ZIP when an obviously superior format, SHK(Shrinkit), was common for the IIgs.

Yeah -- my 2.2mhz speedster had a better algorithm than a PC *giggles*. Right.

Seriously, though -- graphical web browser? For IIgs? GIFS TOOK AN HOUR APIECE TO RENDER, line by godforsaken line...

That being said, did that machine have a bad ass sound synth or what...took like five years for PCs to even come close with the GUS, and a while longer before SB Live became common enough to surpass the synth capabilities of the trusty IIgs...

80's music? You mean MODs?

Oh yeah, ProTERM made for a great Unix dumb terminal...

--Dan
www.doxpara.com

Oh nooooo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6413248)

Let the IIGS die.. it was a good machine for it time.

obligatory assembler code... (1)

nacturation (646836) | more than 11 years ago | (#6413261)

] call -151
* 300: ad 30 c0 20 ed fd 4c 00 03
* 300g
Enjoy!
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