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Torvalds Says Linux IP Is Sound

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the dear-darl-let's-call-him dept.

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An anonymous reader submits: "In an interview with CRN, Linus Torvalds says he's confident there won't be any IP problems discovered in Linux. In fact, Torvalds, says he was extra careful with issues like the IBM Read Copy Update code."

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Re:GNAA Says Linux is gay (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448555)

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Re:GNAA Says Linux is gay (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448895)

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Whew (5, Funny)

sulli (195030) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448457)

What a relief. It would really suck to have to switch back to IPX after all these years.

Re:Whew (4, Funny)

pc486 (86611) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448534)

I think you misinterperted the title. It really means that Linux IP consists of variations in air pressure.

:)

Re:Whew (0)

Aliencow (653119) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448687)

I think you misinterperted the title. It really is a joke. :)

Re:Whew (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448769)

I think you misinterpreted the parent post! It was also a joke!

Re:Whew (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448818)

I think YOU misinterpreted YOUR parent post! It was ALSO a joke!

Re:Whew (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448870)

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Re:Whew (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448535)

ARCnet forever!

Re:Whew (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448692)

I had been hoping for a good NetBEUI stack. Guess it's never to be.

woot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448461)

Mad crazy shoutouts to the various crews of #norwalk, and the burning PC.

Linux IP (-1, Flamebait)

grennis (344262) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448472)

I thought the TCP/IP stack has been pretty solid for awhile. After all, it should have been in pretty good shape when Linus stole it from BSD.

Re:Linux IP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448486)

Bwhahaha, mod parent up!

Re:Linux IP (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448663)

Bullshit! You BSD lamers need to shut the fuck up and die. Stupid mother fucking assholes. Linux is completely original. There is no disputing it. Just because your fucking lame ass system isn't worth shit doesn't mean you can bitch and whine about it. If it sucks so bad why don't you just move to an operating system for real men: Linux.

Re:Linux IP (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448491)

He wasn't talking about the TCP/IP stack. He was talking about Intellectual Property.

He knows that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448501)

nt

Re:Linux IP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448502)

Joke. Is funny. Laugh.

Re:Linux IP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448516)

Its obvious some people don't read the article before posting... heh. Intellectual property man.

Torvald's isn't a lawyer (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448478)

I am. At a major Fortune 500 company, and we have ordered IT to remove Linux from all corporate assets. It is clearly tainted, and we cannot afford to expose the company like that.

Re:Torvald's isn't a lawyer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448556)

Cut the bullshit. Despite the gain in popularity of Slashdot, the average IQ of slashdotters hasn't dropped so far that they would fail to see through such transparent astroturfing. Try again later, a bit more intelligence next time huh?

Re:Torvald's isn't a lawyer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448584)

Hi Sir

I need to hire a lawyer, can you help me? The replies you got were rude!!! Sincerely MR IQ!

Re:Torvald's isn't a lawyer (0)

TrIp0d (671393) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448565)

I don't get it. As if we are not getting bombarded with enough spam and banners on the net, some twisted bean counter had to come up with the idea of getting rich by claiming rights to the very pavement on which the Information Superhighway was built with, TCP/IP.

Well, I say it's too late. TCP/IP has been used by the public too long by now, so tough sh!t.

Nice response (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448597)

to a troll. Just talk about completely unrelated stuff. If you were going to hang your karma-whoring comment off another one, at least you could have done it farther up the page.

Re:Torvald's isn't a lawyer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448680)

Dumbass, you don't need to be a lyer er lawyer to know the law within your bounds. You Are A Lyer Arent You?.

Re:Torvald's isn't a lawyer (1)

LittleLebowskiUrbanA (619114) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448714)

Either you're a troll or you have no idea what's going on. Read the article.

Re:Torvald's isn't a lawyer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448731)

LOL, a 600K+ user calls someone out for being a troll. Good one.

Re:Torvald's isn't a lawyer (0, Redundant)

LittleLebowskiUrbanA (619114) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448780)

LOL, someone talks shit as an AC. Good one.

Re:Torvald's isn't a lawyer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448800)

Someone posting with a troll ID talks shit about an AC. Good one!

Re:Torvald's isn't a lawyer (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448659)

I am your boss at a major Fortune 500 company. You are fired.

Please [gG]od (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448482)

make the TCP/IP jokes stop, please!

Torvalds Says Linux IP Is 'sound'!? (5, Funny)

wackybrit (321117) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448487)

The Linux intellectual property is really sound, and not code? Oh great, now the RIAA are gunna bust our nuts for distributing Linux for free!

Shock; Surprise (5, Insightful)

Sargent1 (124354) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448493)

Huh. And I was all prepared for him to say, "I expect all kinds of IP problems in Linux."

On a serious note, it is good to know he was thinking of these issues for some time.

Re:Shock; Surprise-IP burr. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448560)

"On a serious note, it is good to know he was thinking of these issues for some time."

Isn't this a sea change from his "don't worry about IP"?

Re:Shock; Surprise (2, Insightful)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448623)

Well, don't you find it suspicious that Linus comes up with this after such a long time !?!?

It sounds weird to me. Why didn't he say that in the first place ?

Re:Shock; Surprise (4, Insightful)

Trolling4Dollars (627073) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448689)

Errr... no. He probably went through the code with a fine toothed comb (or a decent pattern matching app) and found nothing infringing because there never was anything infringing to begin with.

Re:Shock; Surprise (5, Insightful)

Billy the Mountain (225541) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448700)

Well, don't you find it suspicious that Linus comes up with this after such a long time !?!?

It sounds weird to me. Why didn't he say that in the first place ?


If he came out with it in the first place he wouldn't have been able to say that he'd been thinking about IP issues for a long time.

BTM

If linux is sound.... (5, Funny)

Keebler71 (520908) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448496)

Then if it falls in the forest does anyone hear it?

Re:If linux is sound.... (5, Funny)

Jad LaFields (607990) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448545)

Depends on what version you have. The pre 2.6s have a much louder forestfall property, and so can be heard better.

"Insightful"? (1)

Jad LaFields (607990) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448900)

Uh... I was joking you realize... there is no "forestfall" property in any Linux kernal. Nor should there be, the lack of tree-group-related noise is one of the big advantages Linux has over Windows.

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Man am I on a roll. A roll with sesam--ouch! Alright, alright!

Someone told me something disturbing today (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448498)

A coworker to me today that /. is a gay community. If thats true, then it needs to be in a FAQ or something. I've been frequenting /. for about a month now and I had no idea.

I feel like a straight guy in a gay bar now.

oh baby! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448592)

I know exactly what you're talking about. I love feeling straight guys when I'm at the gay bar.

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yes, but (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448509)

what does it sound like?

Linus Torvalds = The Arbiter (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448519)

Damn, this guy is cool. He gets to the point. Guess linux users don't need to worry about SCO anymore. Heh, not surprising since Slashdot stopped it's once-a-day-SCO-story.

Anyway, even though this interview is really short, Linus has good points. The kernel submission system is very open, unlike propriatary systems, and if there is a problem, it can be traced.

sco can have my ..... (4, Funny)

spotlight2k3 (652521) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448530)

linux when they pry it from my cold dead hands, no wait, i meant to post that on the nra site. good to see linus finally helping to clarify things

Re:sco can have my ..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448822)

What is funny about maligning millions of legal, and legitimate gun rights supporters?

What i find most amusing... (4, Insightful)

NoTheory (580275) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448531)

Linus seems to be getting more and more annoyed with each one of these interviews. Why don't all these various online news sites take a hint? ;) at least ask him about -something- other than SCO SCO SCO. Give the poor man a break.

Re:What i find most amusing... (1)

Jad LaFields (607990) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448577)

Wait, what's SCO SCO SCO? Is that like a triple-attack of pointless lawsuits? That almost sounds dangerous.

Re:What i find most amusing... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448713)

SCO is the sound that Darl McBride's asshole is going to be making after he finishes his hot manlove session with his butch in prison. Darl is going to go to prison for the shady dealings he's involved in. Mark my words. His butthole will be going:

as the Santorum pours out of his anus...

Re:What i find most amusing... (1)

snol (175626) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448898)

you only get Santorum if they use lube.

Hmm... (4, Insightful)

MoThugz (560556) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448549)

Torvalds: The biggest effect by far has just been a lot of time wasted on discussion.


All I got to say is...
"..."

'Nuff said... back to some kernel hacking!

eat a cock (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448639)

Fuck you. You think my purpose in life is to "hack" the kernel for you? I've got better things to do, fucko.

Sincerely,
Linus Torvalds
Kernel Maintainer, Dancing Queen, and Professional Assmunch

Linus regard for customers (-1, Flamebait)

mr_majestyk (671595) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448554)

"I don't like customers (laughing)."

In nutshell, this comment shows perfectly why Linux will never succeed in the mass market. It is built by developers...for developers. The end users are irrelevant.

Re:Linus regard for customers (5, Insightful)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448588)

Linus has never tried to go commercial with Linux. He avoids this side of things. I think this is a strength. Commercial OSs are driven by the desire to sell and as a ressult suffer technically.

Re:Linus regard for customers (4, Insightful)

MoThugz (560556) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448606)

The fact that not only Linus himself uses Linux can already be considered a success...

To succeed in the mass market, it has to be put in the market first... Something that Linus did not do!

Don't confuse Linux (the kernel) with Linux Distributions such as RedHat, Mandrake, Slackware, etc. They distro companies are the ones usually marketing Linux and facing the customers... not Linus himself.

Re:Linus regard for customers (4, Informative)

ePhil_One (634771) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448612)

In nutshell, this comment shows perfectly why Linux will never succeed in the mass market. It is built by developers...for developers. The end users are irrelevant.

Obviously you don't understand Linus's role in all this. Linus' customers ARE developers. Joe sixpack doesn't go download the latest kernel and install, he goes and picks up RedHat/Debian/Gentoo/Slackware/etc... from CompUSA. RedHat/Debian/Gentoo/Slackware/etc... are Linus's customers, they are the ones that deal with him

Re:Linus regard for customers (0, Redundant)

pheared (446683) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448629)

Yeah, I've never heard anyone who does or does not deal with customers at a company say something like that. Certainly not at successful companies.

Re:Linus regard for customers (4, Insightful)

Trolling4Dollars (627073) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448741)

Profit motive is the worst and most inefficient way to develop any complex system. What's required is a true interest in what you do. Why do you think so many of those paper MCSEs were completely worthless? They did it because they wanted the money and didn't care about the technology. That's never going to get anyone anywhere. You do it because you love it, otherwise you find something else to do otherwise you'll always be second rate.

Re:Linus regard for customers (3, Insightful)

quakeroatz (242632) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448830)

Are you so naive that you actually think successful "mass market" companies "like" the consumer?

NEWS FLASH!
They don't give a F$#K either!

As long as you're still grabbing the latest and greatest, slightly modified w/ new icons version, they're happy.

They don't need to like you to succeed; they just need to have you by the balls. When was the last time someone who "liked" you asked for money, every year, to continue seeing them?

Re:Linus regard for customers (4, Informative)

manvantaradude (681414) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448852)

In nutshell, this comment shows perfectly why Linux will never succeed in the mass market

Wrong. Linus works on the Linux kernel. The people that package various distributions worry about the customers they attempt to serve. Most folks that enjoy using Linux would laugh with Linus on this one.

Re:Linus regard for customers (4, Insightful)

the gnat (153162) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448875)

It is built by developers...for developers.

I think that's rather unfair, but actually, this is *exactly* why I use Linux. Microsoft has always seemed to follow the philosophy of "Shut up, we know what's good for you", which is fine for most users but drives me up the fucking wall. I spent months learning to use Linux, but I can now finally set my computer up exactly the way I want it which I never could with Windows.

This is the main reason I like the open-source movement, not the philosophy or supposed superiority of the code.

To filter noise on Shitdot (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448569)

1) Create an account
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And how would he know for sure, you ask? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448571)

Because he's one baaaad computer hackin' mutha fucka.

The circle is complete (5, Funny)

Fux the Pengiun (686240) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448589)

About time this came back around. I've been playing this throught my head over and over again, every time this SCO thing comes up, and finally we see the way it really works out.

See, we know SCO is like Darth Vader, and Microsoft is like the Emperor, pulling his strings. Now, we always thought IBM was Luke, kind of, in that they're the ones having to fight off Vader, but I couldn't quite figure out who Linus was. At first, I figured he was Han Solo, with the helping and the fighting and all, and Alan Cox is obviously Chewbacca (just check the hair).

But now I think we see that Linus is really a mix of Obi-Wan and Yoda, because he's helping and guiding, but not really fighting himself. At least I thought he was Yoda, just except for the lying (I mean, wtf didn't Yoda ever tell Luke SCO was his father?) but now we see Obi-Wan taking a more active role, actually standing up to SCO! So we're at the "full circle" part, where Linus tells SCO that if he strikes him down (i.e., inspects the code) he'll become more powerful (i.e. open sourced and GPL protected) than he can possibly imagine.

See, now it all makes sense! Now we just need Luke (IBM) to blow up the "Death Star" (frivilous lawsuits) with a proton torpedo (the GPL) shot down an "exhaust tube" (an exhaust tube). I hope that cleared it all up for everybody.

Re:The circle is complete (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448633)

ROFL...that's some funny shit. I'd give you mod points if I had 'em...

Re:The circle is complete (1)

bad_fx (493443) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448653)

*Head explodes*

Re:The circle is complete (2, Funny)

Victa (186697) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448666)

About time this came back around. I've been playing this throught my head over and over again, every time this SCO thing comes up, and finally we see the way it really works out... ...Blah Blah Blah... ...shot down an "exhaust tube" (an exhaust tube). I hope that cleared it all up for everybody.

Hopefully the "exhaust tube" is Darl's backside...

Re:The circle is complete (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448701)

I can't imagine that anyone would have compared IBM to Luke Skywalker in 1977. In fact, wasn't IBM the evil empire at one time?

Re:The circle is complete (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448748)

You haven't seen Episode III yet. Luke's terrible twos were pretty terrible.

Re:The circle is complete (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448763)

but but but but I thought the Death Star was Windows. Massively complex, massively frail.

Re:The circle is complete (5, Funny)

debrain (29228) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448821)

I think SCO is more like Jar Jar. You just wish it would shut its trap.

Re:The circle is complete (0, Redundant)

XO (250276) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448882)

'shot down an "exhaust tube" (an exhaust tube)' ..

shouldn't that be...

'shot down an "exhaust tube" (darl mcbride's anus)' ... ?

Does it matter? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448591)

A mathematician is saying that a-b = (a+b)(a-b)? There must be at least one lawyer payed by a rich company that could win a case against it...

Say what? (5, Interesting)

The Bungi (221687) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448605)

In fact, Torvalds, says he was extra careful with issues like the IBM Read Copy Update code

I thought he didn't care? As in "I don't want to know what we're putting in, don't tell me"? And now he was "extra careful"? Or is this some other type of IP he's referring to?

Re:Say what? (2, Insightful)

XO (250276) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448896)

Well, I think he said that, but it was already out of the bag at that point that RCU was code that IBM needed to make sure it had the rights to distribute.

So, he doesn't want to know in the future where things come from, as in this type of law, ignorance DOES make one innocent .. whereas with more physical laws, ignorance of a law does NOT make one innocent...

But, at this point, he already knew.

Kind of like where I'm at, we sell a lot of radio transmitters. If someone tells me they are going to take some stuff that's licensed for use only in the U.S., and ship it out to Iran, they sure as hell aren't buying it from me. But, if they don't tell me they are going to send it there, it's none of my business to ask. (ie, I can't say to the guy with the Indian accent, "hey, i notice your accent.. you aren't going to be using these radios outside of the U.S. are you?")

Linux Sucks (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448624)

I agree

RCU code (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448637)

1. SCO's lawsuit is about misappropriation of trade secrets
2. RCU is a patented technology
3. Patents are publicly viewable
4. Therefore, RCU cannot be a trade secret

I don't see any way SCO can have a claim unless the RCU code that IBM donated contained SysV code or code derived from SysV. I seriously doubt IBM would be stupid enough to do that.

Anyway, since trade secrets are no longer protected once they are publicly revealed, no one should have anything to worry about except possibly IBM.

Ok, there is no IP problem in the kernel... (3, Funny)

Juiblex (561985) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448651)

but what about the TCP problems?

Re:Ok, there is no IP problem in the kernel... (1)

rcw-home (122017) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448733)

It's a zero-copy implementation.

He is spinning (1)

Rock Ridge (677665) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448665)

Linus says something like, "It is just a contract dispute." It is a contract dispute, true; but, what is the contract dispute about? IP?

I don't like customers (5, Insightful)

unixwin (569813) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448673)

How soon will this be misquoted ??
"CRN: Are you being called in by vendors such as CA and systems integrators to help win over some of these big Linux deals?

Torvalds: No. I never go to customer meetings. I don't like customers (laughing). "

Re:I don't like customers (1)

einhverfr (238914) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448795)

You are too late. It is already misquoted in an previous post ;-)

Linus being naive? (3, Interesting)

geekee (591277) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448676)

When Linus says a contract dispute between IBM and SCO has no bearing on Linux, I think he's being a bit naive. If the code IBM submitted to Linux was a violation of that contract, in addition to damages IBM must pay, a court may place an injunction on shipping Linux, or force Linux users to pay damages as well, depending on the wording of the licensing agreements in the distros being used. Of course this may be pessimistic thinking, but it's not an impossible scenario. Also, if IBM is found in violation of their contract, thats ammunition to pursue further lawsuits against other Linux companies and end-users.

Re:Linus being naive? (1)

d3faultus3r (668799) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448832)

Very true, maybe Richard Stallman would be a better judge of this than Linus. After all, Linus is a hacker(in the good sense) through and through and they tend not to hold professions in which suits thrive in high esteem. Richard Stallman on the other hand, obviously would have a better grasp of licensing and IP since he did write the GPL and all.

FUD (3, Insightful)

phriedom (561200) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448868)

"...or force Linux users to pay damages as well, depending on the wording of the licensing agreements in the distros being used."

Linux users are not party to the contract between IBM and SCO, so nothing in that contract can compell Linux users to do anything.

The most the courts can do to Linux is force them to remove code IF (and I just can't see how it could, but if) SCO does in fact own the rights to code submitted to Linux by IBM. Linux will live on no matter what and SCO can't touch users or developers.

Re:Linus being naive? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448901)

I don't think SCO would have any ability to prevent the code from being used as long as IBM is the copyright owner of the code they donated.

Also, since almost no one who uses Linux makes use most of the technologies in question (LVM, hot swap, JFS, NUMA), any damages are going to be minimal or zero. And I've read RCU is only useful on 8- or 16-way and larger systems. And significant SMP ability was already in Linux years before IBM got involved with Linux.

The worst that could happen is that SCO demands the code be removed, and I doubt that's possible since it's been licensed under the GPL.

Open Source (2, Interesting)

brownaroo (682715) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448693)

If a programming project is open source, with an uncontrolled number of people working on its, whats to stop someone comming forward saying I changed module x with code/ideas I stoll form company y in an IP case.
I know things like GPL try to address IP with open source but have their been any big court cases concerning IP on open source Software to test thing out? (forgive me if I an not aware of some big case, that 99% of everyone always knows about)

Re:Open Source (2, Interesting)

titzandkunt (623280) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448834)


Someone - anyone - can say that they hacked trade secret/patent protected/copyright code into, say, the Linux kernel.

Unless these claims are matched in the version control and change logs, they'll have a hard time proving it.

T&K.

Caught My Attention (3, Insightful)

antiMStroll (664213) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448711)

Says Linus:

The one thing SCO has mentioned has been the Read Copy Update code that IBM gave us, and that wasn't accepted for the longest time into the kernel exactly because we knew the patents were owned by IBM. [But] we said we couldn't take it until you [IBM] said very explicitly that you also license the patents.

Does this mean there is patented code in the Linux kernel? How does that not conflict with the GPL?

Re:Caught My Attention (4, Informative)

penisburd (689776) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448791)

Patents can be used in GPL code, AFAIK, as long as the owner of said patent allows it. Of course, it is always good to be cautious here because if IBM decided to yank the license for their patent, a lot of people are affected, so they have to get strict licensing terms that prevents that from happeneing.

Re:Caught My Attention (4, Informative)

rossifer (581396) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448812)

Because the GPL specifically discusses patent licensing. In section 7, it states that if you can't get a royalty free license to the relevant patents then the GPL can't be applied.

Which is meant to imply that (in this case) if IBM is willing to license the relevant patents to GPL licencees without royalty then it can hold those patents (and charge others for the use of them for non-GPL'd applications) and GPL code based on those patents. Which IBM is doing.

Regards,
Ross

Outcomes of the SCO trial (5, Insightful)

Bio-Hazzard (689047) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448726)

The worst case senario (which I think is EXTREMELY unlikely) is that the courts find SCO right on all points, this means linux will become a "dark" OS, you'll have to find obscure sites and download the latest kernel before it gets locked down.
More likely is that SCO gets chucked out on it's arse for having such lame evidence (last I heard it was 80 lines that were copied word 4 word) and linux comes out fine.
But my biggest worry is that whatever the outcome whenever a big campany is looking to migrate, the issue of the "stolen" code will come out.
Some conversation like this will happen.

IT guy: We should switch to linux it's cheaper, faster and more stable.
Manager: But what about the stolen code?
(conversation on how it wasn't stolen etc.)

The biggest problem is our reputation will be tainted and that's whats bugging me.

Re:Outcomes of the SCO trial (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448816)

The lawsuit is about trade secrets. Once they're public, they aren't protected anymore. As long as IBM owns the copyright for the donated code, they can distribute the code. But IBM could possibly be liable for violating their contract if SCO can somehow convince a court that the code they donated is a Unix derivative and their contract doesn't allow that.

Slashdot Gay Conspiracy SGC (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448740)

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Sure ... (0, Troll)

SuperDuG (134989) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448749)

Torvalds, says he was extra careful with issues like the IBM Read Copy Update code

careful enough to STEAL SCO's code!!!

Re:Sure ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448845)

SCO has never claimed that IBM stole their code. Their lawsuit claims IBM has misappropriated trade secrets by distributing code that is a SysV derivative.

Their claims are highly questionable since the donated JFS code, for example, came from OS/2 and not from SysV or AIX.

BREAKING NEWS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448784)

Mozilla is dying

Mozilla faces a bleak future. In fact there may be no future at all for Mozilla because Mozilla is dying. Things are looking very bad for Mozilla. As many of us are already aware, Mozilla continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. Camino is perhaps the most endangered. Let's look at the numbers.

Mozilla leader Asa states that there are 7000 users of Mozilla. How many users of Firebird are there? Let's see. The number of Mozilla versus Firebird entries in Bugzilla is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Firebird users. Camino entries in Bugzilla are about half of the volume of Firebird entries. Therefore there are about 700 users of Camino. A recent article put the Mozilla browser at about 80 percent of the Mozilla market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Camino users. This is consistent with the number of Camino bugs.

Due to the troubles of Netscape, abysmal sales and so on, Netscape went out of business and was taken over by AOL who sell another troubled service.

All marketing surveys show that Mozilla has steadily declined in market share. Mozilla is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Mozilla is to survive at all it will be among web hobbyists, dabblers, and dilettantes. Mozilla continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Mozilla is dead.

You fail it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448849)

Dude, you missed it. The mozilla thread is further down the page. This is the place for a Linux- or even a *nix-is-dying post.

They missed the last part of the article title! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6448848)

...but the TCP seems to be out and I had chili last night.

WTF (-1, Troll)

josh crawley (537561) | more than 11 years ago | (#6448885)

Who the hell is this Torvalds character? Why the hell should we care what he has to say about Linux?

I swear, what's with these SCO articles with every Tom, Dick, and Nigel's opinion? What next, will we have Edna Graustein, of Kansas City MO's opinion on the validity of SCO's claims?
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