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DragonFly BSD Announced

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the skimming-and-darting dept.

Announcements 460

JoshRendlesham writes "Matt Dillon announced today on the freebsd-hackers mailing list the creation of the DragonFly BSD project. It seeks to build on the work of FreeBSD 4.x, including a rewrite of the packaging and distribution system, among other goals."

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In other news (4, Funny)

imipak (254310) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456339)

Brad Pitt announced a new fork from the -AC kernel tree.

And also (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456357)

Keannu Reeves announced: "Whoah."

Re:In other news (5, Funny)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456379)

> Brad Pitt announced a new fork from the -AC kernel tree

Rule 1: You do not talk about the -AC kernel tree.
RUle 2: You DO NOT talk about the -AC kernel tree.
Rule 3: If it's your first night in the -AC kernel tree, you HAVE to post.

Re:In other news (0, Offtopic)

caluml (551744) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456629)

Offtopic? Stupid mods. Tumbleweed, have a "virtual" mod point from me.

Re:In other news (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456471)

what do gay niggers think about this development?


what do cocksmokers think about this development?


what do porch monkeys think about this development?


what can we learn from the above?

Re:In other news (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456703)

"what can we learn from the above?"

That you are a fucking idiot? Yeah, that's probably it.

No, no... (2, Funny)

fm6 (162816) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456724)

This isn't the actor, it's the lawman [tvland.com] . Jeez, Slashdotters are so ignorant!

Re:In other news (1)

Spunk (83964) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456738)

Truly an American icon.

*BSD is dying (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456353)

<insert BSD troll here>

... first BSD is dying troll!

Hello /. (-1, Troll)

I.H.O.S.W.R.K. (579004) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456501)

Hi. I have oral sex with retarded kids. Retards are yummy.

Re:Hello /. (-1)

The Pimp (539578) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456530)

I got a retard bitch named Shenequa. She might be a little old for you though, she's 17... Beep me if you want to try her...

Smart! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456354)

hey guys I'm going to reivent the wheel again durrrrr.

rands? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456750)

is that you?

It's NOT dying you bastards! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456360)

Or if it is, it's coming back from the afterlife. You saw that kevin costner movie about that dragonflys always mean there's a ghost about to come back and do some mortal damage to those that wronged it! Beware all you "BSD IS DYING" posters, it's coming back from the afterlife to chew bubble gum and kick ass -- and lemme tell ya somthin', BSD IS ALL OUTTA BUBBLE GUM!!!

DragonFly BSD Announced... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456361)

This for running the army's new microsurveillance vehicles right?

Wonderful (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456363)

This is great news. God knows we need another BSD, I don't think anyone is happy that currently we only have FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, TrustedBSD, XMach, Darwin, and Microsoft Windows.

Re:Wonderful (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456410)

OpenBSD is not BSD you insenstive clod!

Re:Wonderful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456414)

Don't forget MirBSD!!!

Re:Wonderful (0, Troll)

carpe_noctem (457178) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456440)

MS Windows is a BSD? Am I missing something? /me checks out c:\winnt\ports

Re:Wonderful (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456497)

I think he's just making a sarcastic comment on the presence of BSD code in Windows.

Re:Wonderful (0, Troll)

EelBait (529173) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456507)

I think in the case of Windows, BSD = Blue Screen of Death. Your parent poster was probably just confused.

Re:Wonderful (3, Insightful)

gantrep (627089) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456508)

BSD Code in Windows [everything2.com]

Re:Wonderful (2, Insightful)

Elwood P Dowd (16933) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456570)

Try "strings ftp.exe"

Or, if you don't have strings installed, just google for it [google.com] .

Iduno what else they've used, but they're legally entitled to use any portion they like, and many people surmise that they may have used quite a bit. Given that the copyright notice is no longer required, the world may never know.

Another one? (-1, Redundant)

martingunnarsson (590268) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456370)

I'm no expert in this area, but does the world really need another BSD? Wouldn't it be better if the BSD people tried to make fewer and better distributions? Hit me if I'm wrong.

Re:Another one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456421)

Once could ask the same of linux people. Why do we need 9000 linuxes, anyway? Last I checked, not counting Mswindows, we've only got three or four BSD's. Why not another one? Why not 8000 more? Gotsta stay competitive you insensitive clod!

Re:Another one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456462)

Did you say "goatse stay more competetive"?

And you're damn right, considering the competetion [tubgirl.com] that guy faces!

Re:Another one? (4, Interesting)

Kiriwas (627289) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456427)

That doesn't make sense to me. Thats like deciding there are too many car manufacturers and complaining to Ford that there should be fewer and better car manufacturers. In fact, it would be EASIER to do this in the car industry because you can probably get the major car manufacturers together. No one ever said this new BSD was going to be good, just that it was here. No one said you should support it, but then again maybe you should. Each distro of anything is subject to the people that make it. If you want one final all encompassing sent-from-God BSD then go and make it!

Re:Another one? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456438)

COnsider yourself hit

Re:Another one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456447)

Fewer distributions? Letseee.. There's open net and free.
That's three. There are some minor versions (e.g., picobsd)
based on these.... There's also OSX/Darwin.

That's too many for you? Before you answer, consider
how many linux distros there are.

Also, please follow up with proof, statistics and something
more tangible that the crap you pulled out of your ass that
having many distributions is inefficient. This is a conclusion
you've reached, I suspect, without any proof or careful
analysis. Show us the numbers that this is a 'bad' thing
for an architecture.

Re:Another one? (2, Insightful)

EelBait (529173) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456472)

POW!

All the various BSDs share code when one solution seems to fit more than just the distribution that developed it. If DragonFly is going to focus on something that the other four aren't, then more power to them. I'm sure the others will adopt any good ideas that come out.

Re:Another one? (0)

ThePlague (30616) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456524)

That's the bitch part about freedom: people don't always do what you want them to do.

wheres teh (-1, Troll)

gav1n (594975) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456375)

ISO Plz!! k THX!!111

Re:wheres teh (1)

vergil (153818) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456558)

Ask randy. He'll prob. post it on the mirrors anon ftp server.

-V

One BSD (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456376)

Instead of different BSDs that are similar, how about combining the best into one unified BSD, like with Linux. There is only one official Linux kernel, and distributions are based upon it.

Re:One BSD (1)

SweetAndSourJesus (555410) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456478)

Define "best"

I think the reason that there are different BSDs is that there is no "best" for everyone.

There's no need for a unified BSD because the source to all of them is free for use with almost no restrictions [freebsd.org] , so every flavor of BSD can benefit from the others.

148 dead in Iraq (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456384)

...and counting [cnn.com] . Good thing Dubya 'restored dignity to the White House', eh?

Wake up, folks, do we want another 4 years of this (lies and warmongering)?

Re:148 dead in Iraq (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456391)

lefties sure know how to focus on one topic.

Re:148 dead in Iraq (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456437)

Nice comeback, Potsy.

And 'righties' are apparently able to forgive lies by their president which cause the deaths of thousands, whereas when another president lies about getting a blowjob, he should be impeached.

Yeah, that makes sense....

Re:148 dead in Iraq (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456584)

righties sure know how to kill everything that's not a fetus.

Re:148 dead in Iraq (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456445)

"Bring it on."

Man, if I were a troop on the ground in Iraq, who just saw his friend killed by a anti-occupationist Iraqi citizen, and I heard Dubya say that shit...

I think I'd have to just walk on the whole thing.

administrators (2, Funny)

geekmetal (682313) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456388)

Finally, we believe that a fully integrated and feature-full upgrade mechanism should exist to allow end users and system operators of all walks of life to easily maintain their systems. Debian Linux has shown us the way, but it is possible to do better.

Oh no! Who will pay the administrators the big bucks now?

PORTAGE! (1, Interesting)

MarcQuadra (129430) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456552)

I'm crossing my fingers that this comes out with Portage as the package manager...

Re:PORTAGE! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456705)

Portage isn't as powerful as PORTS is. If you want to configure something yourself you have to do a lot of extra work, where as with Ports you just ./configure && make && make install...

And I thought... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456389)

Here I was thinking that BSD is dead or dying. Maybe this will revive it...

Re:And I thought... (1)

cshark (673578) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456459)

I liked it. I think it's time for a new BSD, maybe something with an easier setup like the newer linux distros would be nice. Manually partitioning a hard drive is scary stuff. But I'm not holding my breath. The thing I didn't like about the site was that it's not very well designed, and the navigation scheme is confusing. It needs work, but over all, very promising.

Re:And I thought... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456727)

Your kidding right? Sure the BSD installers are not 'friendly' if your not willing to read the manual. Manually partioning the harddrive is scary? That is no where near as scary as users aka the ID10T.

Another BSD (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456390)

As the rest are dead or dying, would this one be stillborn?

T1? hah! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456393)

The site is:

http://www.dragonflybsd.org/

Hopefully my T1 can handle the cvsup load. Eventually I'll colocate some boxes to deal with that issue.

<voice person="nelson">Ha ha!</voice>

MOD UP! LAME SLASHDOTTING JOKE! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456485)

not funny but should trigger some moderator reflex.

I AM ALMOST POSITIVE YOU ARE A GAY HOMOSEXUAL (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456398)

FAGGOT


YOU ARE ALSO PROBABLY SOME SORT OF NIGGER

but not a gay nigger.

those gay nigger guys suck my smelly asshole.

alright, suckas (-1, Troll)

carpe_noctem (457178) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456400)

First person to post the "BSD is dying" troll gets a nice big KNUCKLE SANDWICH!

Re:alright, suckas (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456446)

"BSD is dying"

That's another distro, right?

no (1)

SweetAndSourJesus (555410) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456496)

You're thinking of DeadBSD, which was a short-lived flavor.

Obligatory Dying Post (2, Funny)

Rakefighter (147924) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456406)

Dragonfly BSD is dying...

matt dillon is a sore loser (-1)

sujan (464326) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456411)

He prolly created this distro because he lost his commit bit. No Dillon, I wont use your distro, freebsd is the best at where it is. Ports is awesome. Your fork wont do any good, sorry.

Mod me down offtopic, I don't care... (-1, Offtopic)

Dthoma (593797) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456412)

...but this is my 513th post! This post is the ((2^9)+1)th post of mine! And I still have Excellent karma!

W00T!

Hi Mum!

Why dork with the existing FreeBSD... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456413)

...packages and ports system. They're part of the best things FreeBSD has above Linux right now!

PORTAGE! (4, Insightful)

MarcQuadra (129430) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456525)

I'd like to see Gentoo's Portage move onto BSD, it was originally inspired by the BSD ports system, but has become very easy to use and refined. It's time for a BSD to try out Portage (Mac OS X is geting Portage soon!)

Re:Why dork with the existing FreeBSD... (0)

alph0ns3 (547254) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456540)

The packages and ports system of FreeBSD is nice, but I don't think it's above the best Linux ones. You can even have a copy of the FreeBSD one with gentoo...

I don't understand. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456425)

I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Windows fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of Windows XP machine (a Dell P3 800 w/ 512 megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium 225 w/ 196 megs of RAM running BeOS R5, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Dell, the same operation would take about 30 seconds. If that.

In addition, during this file transfer, IE will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even Notepad is straining to keep up as I type this.

I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Windows machines, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Windows machine that has run faster than its BeOS counterpart, despite the thousands of developers, developers, developers for Windows . My Tandy 102 with 32k of ram runs faster than this 800 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that Windows is a superior OS.

Windows addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use Windows over other faster, cheaper, more stable OSes.

Re:I don't understand. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456509)

Even Notepad is straining to keep up as I type this.

You type your Slashdot posts in Notepad? How sick is that?

Re:I don't understand. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456529)

If I had mod points today I'd be half-tempted to give you a Funny point for spoofing Slashdot's most popular Mac troll. You need to avoid the Offtopic negatives, though, by at least sneaking a Dragonfly BSD reference in there somewhere...

This won't succeed because... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456434)

...it doesn't have a cute little daemon in its logo.

Elegy for *BSD (-1, Flamebait)

penisburd (689776) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456435)


Elegy For *BSD


I am a *BSD user
and I try hard to be brave
That is a tall order
*BSD's foot is in the grave.

I tap at my toy keyboard
and whistle a happy tune
but keeping happy's so hard,
*BSD died so soon.

Each day I wake and softly sob
Nightfall finds me crying
Not only am I a zit faced slob
but *BSD is dying.


The Tao of Linux (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456465)

Something forms itself from the silent void of the empty mailing lists and the noisy chaos of the crowded mailing lists. It shapes and protects us, it entertains and challenges us, it aids us in our journey through the ether world of software. It is mysterious; it is at once source code and yet object code. I do not know the name, thus I will call it the Tao of Linux.

If the Tao is great, then the box is stable. If the box is stable, then the server is secure. If the server is secure, then the data is safe. If the data is safe, then the users are happy.

The Tao of Linux flows far away and returns on the wind of morning.

In the beginning there was chaos in *n*x.

Tanenbaum gave birth to MINIX. MINIX did not have the Tao.
MINIX gave birth to Linux 0.1 and it had promise.
Linux gave birth to v1.3 and it was good.
v1.3 gave birth to v2.0 and it was better.

Linux has evolved greatly from its distant cousins of the old. Linux is embodied by the Tao.

The wise user is told about the Tao and contributes to it. The average user is told about the Tao and compiles it. The foolish user is told about the Tao and laughs and asks who needs it.
If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao.

Wisdom leads to good code, but experience leads to good use of that code. Without the userland, the kernel is useless.

The master Cox once dreamed that he was a Kernel. When he awoke he exclaimed: "I don't know whether I am Cox dreaming that I am a Kernel, or a Kernel dreaming that I am Cox!"
The master Linus then said: "The Tao envelopes you. You shall create great code for Linux."
"On the contrary," said Cox, "The Tao has already created the code, I will only have to find it and write it down."

A master was explaining the nature of the Tao to one of his students:
"Is the Tao in the VM subsystem?" he asked. "Yes," replied the master.
"Is the Tao in the scheduler?" he queried again. "The Tao is in the scheduler."
"Is the Tao even in the modules?". "It is even in the modules," said the master.
"Is the Tao in the Low-Latency Patch?"
The master frowned and was silent for much time.
"You fail to understand the Tao. Go away."

The Tao is the yin and the yang. It is the good and the evil, it is everything and yet it is nothing, it is the beginning and the end.

The Tao was there at the kernel compile, and it will be there when the kernel panics.

A novice user once asked a master: "Why compile in C when C++ is more popular?"
"Why a monolythic kernel when Mach is more popular?"
"And why use ReiserFS when ext2 is more popular?"

The master sighed and replied: "Why run Unix when NT is more popular?"
The user was enlightened.

A frustrated user once asked a master: "My kernel has panicked, should I post to lkml?"
"No," replied the master, "You will only bother the Tao."
"Should I rm -rf?"
"No, you will have wasted the Tao's time."
"Well should I search the web?"
"You will search for all eternity," said the master.
"Perhaps I should try FreeBSD?"
"Then you will have disgraced the Tao."
"I suppose I could try gdb," said the user.
The master smiled and replied: "Then you will have made the Tao stronger."

A stubborn user once told a master: "I run version 2.2. I always have, and I always will."
The master replied: "You are foolish and do not understand the Tao. The Tao is dynamic and ever changing. Linux strives for the perfection that is the Tao. It flows from version to version with peace."

"So my Linux does not have the Tao, so what?" said the foolish user. "Oh your Linux is of the Tao," said the master. "However, the Tao of Linux follows the Tao of the C library. One day the C library will change, and your Linux will be left behind." The user was silent.

An angry user once yelled at a master:

"My Linux has panicked! What lousy software it is, I hate it so!"
"You are insulting the Tao," said the master. "The Tao is everywhere bringing order to hundreds of networks, aiding thousands of users, and fighting that of which we call the 'lame.' Do not disrespect the Tao; however, the Tao will forgive you."

"I apologize," said the user, "And I will be more forgiving the next time the Tao fails me."

"The Tao has not failed you, it is you that has failed the Tao," said the master. "The Tao is perfect."
The Tao decides if a kernel shall compile, or if it shall abort.
The Tao decides if a kernel shall boot, or if it shall freeze.
The Tao decides if a kernel shall run, or if it shall panic.
But, the Tao does not decide if a box will have no hardware failures. That is a mystery to everyone.

A young master once approached an old master: "I have a LUG for Linux help. But, I fail to answer my students' problems; they are above me."
The master replied: "Have you taught them of the Tao?" he asked. "How it brings together man and software, yet how it distances them apart; how if flows throughout Linux and transcends its essence?"
"No," exclaimed the apprentice, "These people cannot even get the source untarred."
"Oh, said the master, "In that case, tell them to RTFM."

A master watched as an ambitious user reconstructed his Linux.

"I shall make every bit encrypted," the user said. "I shall use 2048 bit keys, three different algorithms, and make multiple passes."
The master replied: "I think it is unwise."
"Why?" asked the user. "Will my encryption harm the mighty Tao, which gives Linux life and creates the balance between kernel and processes? The mighty Tao, which is the thread that binds the modules and links them with the core? The mighty Tao, which safely guides the TCP/IP packets to and from the network card?"
"No," said the master, "It will hog too much cpu."

The core is like the part of the mind that is static. It is programmed at a child's creation and cannot be changed unless a new child is made; unless a new kernel is compiled.
The modules are like the part of the mind that is dynamic. It is reprogrammed every time one learns new knowledge; every time one learns better code.
One is yin, the other yang. Each is nothing without the other.

A novice came to lkml and inquired to all the masters there: "I wish to become a master. Must I memorize the Linux header files?"
"No," replied a master.
"Must I submit code to Bitkeeper?"
"No," replied the master.
"Must I meditate daily and dedicate my life to Linux?"
"No," replied the master again.
"Must I go on a quest to ponder the meaning of the Tao?"
"No. A master is nothing more than a student who knows something of which he can teach to other students."
The novice understood.
And thus said the master:
"It is the way of the Tao."

A user came to a master who had great status in lkml. The user asked the master: "Which is easier: implementing new features to the kernel or documenting them?"
"Implementing new features," replied the master.
The confused user then exclaimed:
"Surely it is easier to write a few sentences in the man page than it is to write pages of code without error?"
"Not so," said the master. "When coding, the Tao of Linux opens my eyes wide and allows me to see beyond the code, to let the source flow from my fingers, to implement without flaw. When documenting, however, all I have to work with is a C in high school English."

He who compiles from the stable tree is stubborn
and unwilling to change, but is guaranteed reliability.

He who compiles from the current tree is wise but perhaps too conformist, but is guaranteed steadiness.

He who compiles from the unstable tree is adventurous and is guaranteed new innovations: some good, some bad.

He who compiles straight from Bitkeeper is brave but guaranteed turbulence.

They are all of the Tao. One shall respect the old, and debug the new; none shall argue over which is greatest.

There was a great dispute between the BSDers and AT&T. Some of them wanted neither yin nor yang. Out of this BSDLite came into existance.
Some of the BSDers then created FreeBSD. This was not the right Tao.
NetBSD was another wrong path to the Tao of *N*X.
Some time later there was a quantity of some users who wanted to be BSD also. The NetBSD people did not agree with them, thus a new OS was born. This OS is called OpenBSD.
But this is not the right Tao, either.

There will always be disputes among the BSDers.
This is the very nature of the Tao.

There once was a user who scripted in Perl: "Look at what I have to work with here," he said to a master of core, "My code is interpreted dynamically, the syntax is unique and simple, I have sockets, strings, arrays, and everything I could ever need. Why don't you stop meddling in C and come join me?"
The C programmer described his reasoning to the scripter: "Scripting is to C as ebonics is to Latin. If the scripter does not grow beyond that of which he scripts, he will surely {die}. Besides, without C, how can there be script?"
The scripter was enlightened, and the two became close friends.

Does this mean.... (0, Troll)

222 (551054) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456494)

*BSD is still dying? :)

Re:Does this mean.... (0, Troll)

archen (447353) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456602)

I guess... I mean the bugs are circling now =P

BSD? More like LSD (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456519)


I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you BSD fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a BSD box (a PIII 800 w/512 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this BSD box, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even Emacs Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.

I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various BSD machines, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a BSD box that has run faster than its Windows counterpart, despite the BSD machines faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 800 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that BSD is a "superior" machine.

BSD addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a BSD over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.

Re:BSD? More like LSD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456539)

you were using the kludge known as X dumbass.
Need a hit of Xtacy?

Re:BSD? More like LSD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456630)

Same troll as you used on an SGI bash a few days ago - this [slashdot.org] is the post you made, and this [slashdot.org] was the thread.

pkg could be a lot better (5, Insightful)

HiFire (680198) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456537)

I find this project exciting. Having tried gentoo's portage it has become clear to me that ports could be a lot better. While ports does work, it has a bunch of tools which make its use easier which arent included by default and could be integrated into ports.

Re:pkg could be a lot better (0, Flamebait)

kwerle (39371) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456606)

I gotta chime in here:
It really pisses me off that FreeBSD does not let you (by default)
cd /usr/ports
make update

It tells you that you need to futs around and configure things. If I wanted to do that, I'd install stuff by hand. I just want to update my ports - I don't think that's too much to ask.

Yes, I've submitted that as a bug. Yes, it was rejected.

Re:pkg could be a lot better (1, Flamebait)

dinivin (444905) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456624)


Yeah, because cvsup is such a difficult thing to figure out.

Dinivin

Re:pkg could be a lot better (1)

kwerle (39371) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456709)

Yeah, because cvsup is such a difficult thing to figure out.

Every decent OS does a better job. Even some not so decent OS's do.

If cvsup is so trivial, why do I have to figure it out? Isn't that what computers are for? Taking care of the trivial?

The truth is that it is trivial, but it should be free. Instead it is another FreeBSD disappointment.

Re:pkg could be a lot better (2, Informative)

Electrum (94638) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456684)

It really pisses me off that FreeBSD does not let you (by default)
cd /usr/ports
make update


Put this in /etc/make.conf:

SUPHOST=cvsup.freebsd.org
SUP_UPDATE=yes
SUP=/us r/local/bin/cvsup
SUPFLAGS=-g -L2
SUPFILE=/usr/share/examples/cvsup/stable-supf ile
PORTSSUPFILE=/usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports- supfi le

|=======D In GNAA's ASS! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456545)

New Packaging System (2, Interesting)

kevin_conaway (585204) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456546)

Are they talking about replacing the ports system? I thought that that was one of those most revered parts of the original FreeBSD

just what this planet needs ... (-1, Flamebait)

hubertf (124995) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456556)

... like another hole in the head.

Oh well, it's probably about hurt egos again. :(

- Hubert

Re:just what this planet needs ... (4, Informative)

cant_get_a_good_nick (172131) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456618)

Oh well, it's probably about hurt egos again. :(

In a way it is. Matt Dillon got lost commit access to cvs a while ago [slashdot.org] because he was trying to get some stuff into 4.8 and got rebuffed. Looked like he violated their code of conduct a few too many times, got kicked out, and started a project where he made the rules. TdR in the house?

BSD Women (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456566)

How many women will dress up like a dragonfly?! C'mon!

Won't use it (0, Offtopic)

YetAnotherName (168064) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456571)

The name's too long. DragonFlyBSD? Come on! I'm not even sure where to capitalize the letters! It's bad enough the "OpenBSD" is as long as "FreeBSD", but spoken it's an extra syllable. I'll stick with NetBSD. Yeah. Nice and short!

Re:Won't use it (1)

Valdrax (32670) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456667)

Ah, but the name's catchy. "Dragonfly BSD" just sounds so cool. However, the real legacy of this fork will come when the highly demanding porn industry gets a hold of its advanced SMP features and adds a few tweaks of its own to get "Spanish Fly BSD."

What a great name idea! (3, Funny)

jednet (241443) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456579)

What were they thinking when they named their project after a bug?

Re:What a great name idea! (1)

iworm (132527) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456747)

This may be a lame joke, but it's NOT Offtopic, idiot moderator.

Flogging a dead horse. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456580)

Dead, I tell ya.

Dragonfly BSD, life expectancy? (-1, Redundant)

Alranor (472986) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456582)

Given all the BSD is dying statements we commonly see around here, is it somewhat appropriate this flavour happens to be named after an insect with a life span of only 24 hours? :)

Re:Dragonfly BSD, life expectancy? (2, Funny)

Gogo Dodo (129808) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456651)

Dragonflies live longer than 24 hours. See the British Dragonfly Society FAQ [dragonflysoc.org.uk] .

You know your tired... (0, Offtopic)

rf0 (159958) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456586)

when your read goals as goats

Rus

FreeBSD 4.x problem (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456605)

I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you FreeBSD 4.x fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a FreeBSD 4.x(a 8600/300 w/64 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 1GB file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.

In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.

I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various FreeBSD 4.x, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a FreeBSD 4.x that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the FreeBSD 4.x' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 300 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the FreeBSD 4.x is a superior machine.

FreeBSD 4.x addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.

Re: FreeBSD 4.x problem (0)

ReLik (599554) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456771)

Learn to configure your box.

*BSD IS DYING - DRAGONFLY TOO (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456608)

It is now official - Netcraft has confirmed: *BSD is dying

Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dead

BSD and Smart People (3, Interesting)

mslinux (570958) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456620)

The problem with BSD is that there are too many Albert Einstein-like people involved with its development... and Matt Dillion is one of them. I don't mean that in a bad way. These guy are *smart* probably one in a billion kind of smart. The problem with that is they can't work together very well. Theo (Open BSD), Matt (FreeBSD) Both these guys forked over differences of opinion with other developers.

Imagine what these guys could actually *do* if they put aside their differences and worked together!! No unsolved CS problem would be safe.

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Re:GNAA LATE POST (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456744)

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there's something about BSD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456637)

In other news, Ben Stiller has started his own fork of the FreeBSD tree called "Angelfish" which competes directly with DragonFly. Apparently, the fight is really about who should be maintainer of FreeBSD itself...

Why 4.x? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456680)

Just when FreeBSD got great (the 5.1 distro is the best ever - well worth using on the desktop) - they go and base a new distro off the (relatively) clunky 4.8.

WTF? I don't understand the logic. FreeBSD 5 has superior performance, more features and better hardware support than 4.

I'll be sticking with the newest relese of FreeBSD, thanks.

FreeBSD, watch out! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6456721)

"Our goal is to create a flexible duel-purpose caching infrastructure"



Maybe this project should just be called "Oedipus"

Matt Dillon, eh? (2, Interesting)

Spudley (171066) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456755)

Wow. Matt Dillon. :) There's a name that brings back memories.

Matt: if you're reading this, I loved DICE, and all your other work on the Amiga - your compiler is one of the reasons I'm a programmer today. I hadn't been keeping up with your work but it's good to see you're still out there doing stuff. :)
(seems a lot of the old Amiga 'big names' have gone on to do interesting stuff in the time since)

Paging Lorraine (4, Insightful)

jonabbey (2498) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456769)

Matt Dillon's early background as an Amiga programmer is really showing through here. He's basically proposing doing a piecewise conversion of BSD to an Amiga-style message-passing operating system.

He's basically doing the reverse of what so many folks (NeXT, HURD) have done or tried to do.. not taking a microkernal and putting a UNIX layer over it, but taking a UNIX and scooping out the inside to replace it with a message-passing microkernal.

This will definitely be a fun one to watch. Go, Matt, go.

Oh no, not another! (4, Insightful)

foolip (588195) | more than 11 years ago | (#6456772)

My first reaction was "oh, forking is bad, we don't need another". But in truth, this is no more remarkable than the fact that there are 100s if not 1000s of different flavors of GNU/Linux.

So there.
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