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Sensor Networks for NBC Threats

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the reports-are-still-coming-in dept.

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Nerdsville writes "Planet Analog have an article describing research into a nationwide sensor network that could provide a real-time early-warning system for chemical, biological and nuclear threats across the US. Researchers plan to use microelectromechanical systems (MEMS) and nanotechnology to create accurate biological and chemical sensors. Linked in an Internet-like peer-to-peer network spanning wireless, wired and satellite links."

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FIRST FIREHORSE POST (-1)

The_Fire_Horse (552422) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460252)

yup - it sure is!!!

So... (1, Funny)

kormoc (122955) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460253)

I have to watch when and where I fart now?

Oops, sorry men in black...

NBC threats? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460254)

Like that godawful Will and Grace show?

NBC? (-1, Offtopic)

crea5e (590098) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460255)

Something wrong with the peacock network?

Re:NBC? (0, Redundant)

RevDobbs (313888) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460517)

If I only had mod points I'd make sure that ALL YOUR "NATIONAL BROADCAST COMPANY" COMMENTS ARE REDUNDANT.

Truth be told, I'm just jealous that I was beaten to the punch.

NBC...? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460256)

My god... What NBC did this time? CBS and ABC are involved in this too???

P2P? (3, Funny)

faaaz (582035) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460257)

A P2P network eh? Now what are the xxAA going to bash, when they can't claim P2P is evil?

Re:P2P? (1, Funny)

tlovie (603161) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460287)

I thought that all P2P networks were used for illegal activities.

Re:P2P? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460315)

Could that mean the government will supply everyone with a digital cable connection as long as they harbor a sensor?

The only threat from NBC (5, Funny)

curtisk (191737) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460258)

is that Friends [nbc.com] will continue for many, many years.

Re:The only threat from NBC (2, Funny)

jkrise (535370) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460288)

I thought without the MS connection, NBC by itself was quite harmless :-)

-

Re:The only threat from NBC (1)

Drathus (152223) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460299)

Nah, on it's own it was just more subversive. =)

Re:The only threat from NBC (2, Funny)

hrieke (126185) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460321)

You forgot that NBC is owned by GE, which besides making great products, also built nuclear weapsons [antenna.nl] at one time.

Although I'd think that 'Friends' in it's own right should be considered a WMD.

Re:The only threat from NBC (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460460)

No, the real threat now is going to be that bad American knock-off version of Coupling. My only hope is that people will discover that the real Coupling is on PBS and BBC America when they flip through the channel listings.

The way they've got it written (1)

ProfessionalCookie (673314) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460538)

chemical, biological and nuclear

The way they've got it written it acronyms out to CBN threats, which to me reads CowBoy Neal Threats. this is scary stuff man.

Re:The only threat from NBC (3, Funny)

H0NGK0NGPH00EY (210370) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460554)

There should be a moderation for [-1, Predictable]. :^P

NBC's programming is not THAT bad (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460259)

well..... maybe it is.

Early Warning System already exists (5, Funny)

TrekkieGod (627867) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460260)

Nukes give out a big flash of light which will tell you when they've hit. You should then remember to duck and cover. The mushroom cloud should help to warn those outside the range of the flash.

Re:Early Warning System already exists (-1)

gdiersing (240179) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460298)

Right, cause we all know nuclear weapons is the ONLY way to deploy biological and chemical payloads.

You really brought all this into perspective, thank you.

Re:Early Warning System already exists (1)

SlayerofGods (682938) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460342)

It was a joke, a nuke would destory any bio or chemical weapons on board.

Re:Early Warning System already exists (4, Funny)

SlayerofGods (682938) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460310)

Soilder: Theres something wrong with the sensor network! Officer: Whats wrong with them? Soilder: They were blown up by the nuke.

Re:Early Warning System already exists (0)

SlayerofGods (682938) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460331)

D'oh, should have turned off html formatting.

Re:Early Warning System already exists (4, Funny)

mav[LAG] (31387) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460446)

Soilder

Soilder? As in Soil Der Pants? I know I would if a nuke was incoming.

Re:Early Warning System already exists (1)

SlayerofGods (682938) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460505)

Hey, are you making fun of a man's disability? (damn dyslexia)
We all know that it should have been soldier.

Re:Early Warning System already exists (1)

2names (531755) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460449)

What we will really have to watch out for is 'false positives.'

The last thing this country needs is a bunch of whackos starting to loot everything because of something they saw on TV...oh, wait, that happens already...nevermind.

Headline (1)

jpsst34 (582349) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460263)

I read the headline and thought, "Hmmm... So they're going to sensor CBS and ABC for threats against NBC. Or maybe they'll be sensoring NBC for threats against the others."

Re:Headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460451)

That's because you're illiterate.

Ask Slashdot: Which is less gay? (-1)

JismTroll (588456) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460264)

Which is less gay, recieving a blowjob from a man or getting fucked with a strap-on?

Discuss.

Re:Ask Slashdot: Which is less gay? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460345)

speaking of which, spell "strap-on" backwards and what do you get?

Re:Ask Slashdot: Which is less gay? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460486)

Getting fucked with a strap on. It doesn't involve another man, therefore it's not homosexual which means it's NOT gay. Now with that said, would you like me to clean your cock with my mouth? Now that the sodomy laws have been stricken, it's possible for me to do this in any state without being worried about breaking the law. Yay!!! I can be gay without being illegal! Finally, normal gay sex is legal everywhere! :)

Sensor Networks for NBC threats (0, Redundant)

American AC in Paris (230456) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460265)

Wow. CBS and ABC are gonna be all over this one...

W NNNNN B C (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460267)

FP niggahs. Shout out to my homies. Props and mad love.

This isn't the only threat! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460271)

What about invisible chemical, biological and nuclear threats across Irak?
If this "nationwide sensor network" ready for Saddam's furtive weapons? :)

Re:This isn't the only threat! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460317)

IRAQ WITH A Q! You retarded monkey boy product of the shitty fucking U.S "Education" system. For fucks sake, I know your president is a fucking moron, but you don't all have to copy him you know.

Re:This isn't the only threat! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460500)

I bet he's from The Reich. Because that's how the Krauts spell it.

Will it warn us that Will and Grace are about ... (1)

mindlessrabble (210490) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460273)

If it could warn us when NBC is about to put on one of its cheesy shows it would be worth it.

Re:Will it warn us that Will and Grace are about . (4, Funny)

JUSTONEMORELATTE (584508) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460337)

If it could warn us when NBC is about to put on one of its cheesy shows it would be worth it.
That's already done -- the network has agreed to limit crappy shows, they now will only air on days ending in "y"

--

Good script warning... (1)

sammaffei (565627) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460453)

Acutally, the alarm will go off when "Friends" actually returns to being a watchable show. Don't worry, it will never happen...

Re:Will it warn us that Will and Grace are about . (1)

dr_dank (472072) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460585)

If it could warn us when NBC is about to put on one of its cheesy shows it would be worth it.

Agreed. If only there were some kind of publication available at newsstands that could give out this kind of information. *cough*cough* [tvguide.com] . :)

NBC? (5, Insightful)

binaryDigit (557647) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460275)

a real-time early-warning system for chemical, biological and nuclear threats

Next time they should order the words the same as in the acronym (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical) so those of us who are not terrorism experts can stop wondering why the peacock network poses such a threat to our well being.

Re:NBC? (2, Funny)

fobbman (131816) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460377)

No shit. As they're ordered now it would be CBN, and then we'd have to weather a storm of jokes about Christian Broadcasting Network instead of the current storm of jokes about National Broadcast Corporation.

Re:NBC? (3, Funny)

mystik (38627) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460457)

CBN? That'd have to be the CowboyNeal threat.

Gotta watchout for that one.

Re:NBC? (1)

Xpilot (117961) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460523)

On /. CBN is CowboyNeal.

George Bush = smart (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460536)

"George W. Bush: Too stupid to know any better."

He's smart enough to know better than you.

What about RIAA threat sensors?? (2, Funny)

jkrise (535370) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460277)

I'd like a sensor that sniffs the RIAA and update me via MSN!!
-

I'm hoping... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460280)

They "sense" that 'For Love or Money' sucks.

Give it a rest (-1, Troll)

Jack Wagner (444727) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460286)

I'm completely disgusted by all the money the US Government plans on wasting on this whole "War on Terra." I for one feel just as safe as I did prior to 9/11 and I felt completely safe back then. This is just another way for the government to waste the tax payers money.

If you really want to make the Country safe then you should get rid of all the H1B visas in the country as they are the real threat to us. If you don't think the next terra attack is going to come from the high tech crowd then you better think again mister.

Warmest regards,
--Jack

Re:Give it a rest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460469)

I think you may have more problems than H1B visas buddy, it's "War on Terror" and "terror attacks". Although, I guess every war fought thus far has been a war on terra...

American Grammar Gestapo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460290)

"Planet Analog have an article..."

Don't you mean "Planet Analog has an article..."?

I don't care if you Brits sometimes word things like that, it still looks and sounds wrong.

That's like "lift" instead of "elevator"... WTF is up with that??

Suck me, beautiful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460327)

Its called English because it is a language from England. You're the ones who are wrong, so get over it. If your educations system was any better, you'd never have started spelling "through" "Thru" and calling things like lifts the wrong name.

NBC Thursday (2, Funny)

slackr (228760) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460293)

Must-See threats!

i wouldn't worry..... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460303)

it doesn't work. it's more of a powerpoint idea. best and worst thing about government work.. you don't ever have to do anything.

grammar nazi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460306)

Planet Analog have an article

No, Planet Analog has an article

Re:grammar nazi (2, Funny)

fgb (62123) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460373)

Unless, of course, Planet Analog are a hive mind. Then it would be grammatically correct.

A tool for us or them? (2, Insightful)

oilisgood (161130) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460324)

It seems to me that a terrorist could use this system to cause panic without ever using the agents on a large scale. They could just get some agents to deploy a very small amount at different sensors they identified throughout a metro area and that would cause enough panic to disrupt what they want to disrupt.
How do they plan on concealing this?

Re:A tool for us or them? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460439)

I enlisted in the U.S. Army just before the 1st Gulf War and because of that had to go through more NBC training than most recruits. We learned how to donn our protective gear, decontaminate ourselves (including how to decontaminate your buddie's ass after he uses the latrine), and give ourselves injections against neurotoxins. But, privately, the Sergeants doing the training would tell you that NBC weapons are like lightning. You're either hit or you're not, and there's not a whole helluva lot you can do if you are, except kiss your ass goodbye. If you're going into an area that's been affected, then your MOPP gear does some good. Otherwise, they said, it's mostly there to give you courage and keep you from sneaking out the back way. And that's what this news is about. If you hear the sirens go off, you're okay. If you don't hear the sirens go off, you're either okay, or you're dead. So the information doesn't do you much good. It doesn't do the civil authorities a lot of good either. When the dead people start piling up and nobody can get anybody to answer a phone in NYC, it will eventually dawn on people what happened. Like so much post-911 action, this is like a doctor giving you a placebo to hide the fact that he either doesn't have a clue what's wrong or that he knows but can't fix it and doesn't want to fess up. Or maybe he's worried that you'll think the cure is worse than the disease.

They'll use something else (5, Insightful)

dorfsmay (566262) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460326)

Terrorist will use use something else that governments aren't looking for. For example the US was ready for an invasion by planes missiles etc... but on Sept. 11, the terrorists used something nobody expected.

I think the different governments should spend more money on trying to understand the causes of terrorism, and try to eliminate it at the source (which one could argue they already do with the war on terrorism).

You'll notice the article only mentions airborne threat... What about water ?

Cause of terrorism already identified (0, Flamebait)

goldspider (445116) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460429)

"I think the different governments should spend more money on trying to understand the causes of terrorism"

I know I'm going to start a holy war here (quite literally, too!) but we already know the cause here is radical Islamic fundamentalism.

Now before you all jump down my throats, let's look at the facts.

Radical Islamic fundamentalists believe that anyone who does not worship as they do are infidels, and therefore are legitimate targets of Jihad. A fundamentalist does not distinguish between "civilian" and "military" targets; they see only "enemy".

Say all that you want about American involvement in the Middle East, especially in Israel. It all comes down to the basic belief by these fundamentalists that those who are different from themselves should either convert or die.

I'm not going to pretend to know how to end this destructive mentality. I will submit, however, that the problem has been sufficiently identified.

And just as an afterthought... (1)

goldspider (445116) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460461)

I am no way suggesting that all Muslims believe as these fundamentalists do. This is a relatively small (compared to the number of Muslims worldwide) but very vocal and active group of people I am talking about here.

Re:Cause of terrorism already identified (1)

DarthMaul (89735) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460485)

The cause is not radical Islamic fundamentalism per se but rather organized religion as a whole. Islam is just an extension of a much larger problem. Is my experience nearly all religions have promoted violence against someone or something that did not conform to its' belief system.

Re:Cause of terrorism already identified (1)

goldspider (445116) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460514)

That's a good point. That's why I refuse to involve myself in debates of a religious nature. I find that any group of people who are not even open to the possibility that their views and beliefs are incorrect is not worth the effort of an honest debate.

For those who haven't seen the movie Dogma (all twelve of you), I recommend you rent it tonight.

Re:Cause of terrorism already identified (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460520)

lol!

Re:Cause of terrorism already identified (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460543)

So, you're saying that a group of radicals with weapons are dangerous? Were you expecting a fucking medal for that blinding flash of the obvious?

I submit that religion is besides the point, that some people are ready to die for anything, that religion is not the problem, merely the excuse. It is the focus of idiocy, both from radicals like Osama to idiots like GW Bush.

Re:Cause of terrorism already identified (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460544)

I have to post this as AC because the american audience here will murder my karma! American christian fundamentalists have the same insane beliefs, and bloodlust for infidels. As do Israeli Jewish fundamentalists. The only difference is that Islamic militaries are considered terrorists by americans, and american and israeli terrorists are considered millitaries by americans. It is all perspective. And yes Israeli soldiers and American soldiers quite often kill civillians without apology. Don't get me wrong here, I'm not defending terrorist actions(on any side) , I am quite against all these warlard puritans and zealots.

Re:Cause of terrorism already identified (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460559)

"Now before you all jump down my throats, let's look at the facts"

No - YOU look at the facts, and history, you little shit. Start with Chomsky. Come back when you understand why he believes the US is the worlds leading terrorist state. Why not check out the US funding of Isreal for starters. Then perhaps check out it's interventions in central America. Perhaps you could then nip over to Vietnam. Next stop - Afghanistan, and the phony cold war against the Russians.

Re:Cause of terrorism already identified (3, Interesting)

Anti Frozt (655515) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460569)

Funny that you don't see attacks against other countries who have similar beliefs to America, i.e. Canada.

A lot of recent terrorist activities have been targetted at one country and one country alone. The United States. What is so different about their beliefs from those of others that has put them under the proverbial microscope?

Re:They'll use something else (1)

Anti Frozt (655515) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460512)

I think it's pretty obvious to a lot of people that a part of the cause of terrorism is having others ideals forced upon you.

IANAA (I am not an American), but I see enough American television up north to see why some of these groups do feel threatened. America is trying to enforce it's ideals on the rest of the world. Democracy and Capitalism. I'm all for democracy. I think it's a great system. But you don't see Canadians going off on a tangent and forcing their views on the rest of the world. On the contrary, we believe that people should be allowed to express themselves in a manner appropriate to soceity (read: Human Beings). America needs to understand that even though it's the biggest kid on the block, it doesn't have the right to police it. That's what the UN and, to a lesser degree, INTERPOL are for.

If America wants to help eliminate terrorism in the World, they need to take a look at the policies of some of the other larger powers in the World, Canada being one of them. We are viewed throughout the world in a much better light than Americans, yet we have a lot of the same beliefs. We just don't force them upon the rest of the world.

America needs to join the international community on this effort. Going it alone reduces the legitimacy of the effort and causes the rest of the world (with a few exceptions) view America in a similar manner as Iraq: An oppresive regime trying to force it's beliefs and policies. Only this time, they're forcing them on someone else.

Note: When I refer to America, I mean more specifically, the American Government.

Re:They'll use something else (1)

SlayerofGods (682938) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460560)

They don't even need to use something new. Even with plans and strategies in place the government will never be truly prepared for any type of attack.
And then basically these become the, oh crap, we're fucked sensors.

the Standard acronym for that is... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460329)

CBRN

Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear.

From the let's-not-make-up-a-new-acronym-and-forget-what-it -really-means-afterwards department, aka the LNMUANAAFWIRMA dept.

Spoofing those sensor IP's for fun (3, Insightful)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460335)

I can see it now: the 10 o'clock news reports that we've had the 3rd false nuclear threat, as sensors read a 69.69% jump in radiation levels at 4:20 this afternoon.... yeah, right!

Planet Analogue /.'d! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460350)

So I have set up a mirror for freenet users! [127.0.0.1]

Remember, even if youve already read the article, visit it anyway to increase the availiblity!

Come on! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460488)

If you're going to freenet troll, why not link to some Vampire Paedophelia?

"NBC" Threats (3, Funny)

Christianfreak (100697) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460357)

When I first saw this I thought it might having something to do with protecting us from more Reality shows ....

Maybe not.

Misread Title (5, Funny)

Flamed to a Crisp (688872) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460361)

For some reason, I read the title as Censor NBC Networks for Threat

Like you wanted us to censor the NBC TV network and then blackmail them or something.

Probably too slow anyway (3, Interesting)

Anonymous MadCoe (613739) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460387)

From what I've learned a long time ago in the army one of the biggest issues with NBC is that even if you get an alert in a lot of cases you're just in time to let people know they should have put on their suit and masks allready.

So I wonder what a network like that could contribute.

(I say I'm wondering, not that it can't be done... Any suggestions?).

Re:Probably too slow anyway (3, Interesting)

Thng (457255) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460518)

It may be too slow to save people from immediate exposure, but at least in the case of biologicals, it could act as a warning to contain the contamination and prevent further exposure, possibly same with radiological weapons.

As a side note, my gf is working with a grad student who is trying to engineer an ornamental plant to be placed in public areas that will turn color when it's been exposed to various biological agents.

Paranoia (1, Interesting)

lovebyte (81275) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460389)

Where will American paranoia stop?
Probably when government funding will.

Re:Paranoia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460498)

Moderated as Troll? I guess the truth must hurt!

Poor sensors (5, Interesting)

noah_fense (593142) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460404)


I can see it now: thousands of people fleeing the subway when a sensor trips because someone lit up a cigarette underneath one. Now every ignores it when a real NBC attack comes around, just like the tsunami early warning systems in the pacific.

This IS a gov't project, and this one is only getting funding because of people who watch the news too much and are becoming exactly what terrorists want: afraid.

Also, politicians are aching to to jump on the "spend money on homeland security" bandwagon. 2004 is just around the corner . . .

-n

snoooore..... (1)

andy666 (666062) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460413)

i keep hearing about stuff like this since 9/11. has anyone actually seen some interesting new sensors, or is it all hype ?

Acronym Jackass (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460444)

Would it kill you to explain an abbreviation that most people are unfamiliar with?

That reminds me of the "GSW" (Gun Shot Wound) that doctors use. Guess which one takes longer to say (more syllables)?

Stop clinging to acronyms as esoteric bravado.

Re:Acronym Jackass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460493)

ROFLMAO

No money for health or education, then? (2, Insightful)

ChessHacker (564509) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460455)

a nationwide sensor network that could provide a real-time early-warning system for chemical, biological and nuclear threats across the US.

How much is it going to cost? How many attacks have there been in the US since 9/11? None. Nada. Zip.

While the Federal government spends billions of dollars on anti-terrorism, homeland security, tax-cuts-for-the-rich (TM) and un-necessary wars, ordinary people are losing their jobs, have no decent health care and are suffering for inadequate funding of schools. This is progrsss?

The government has spent $0 on tax cuts for rich (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460566)

While the Federal government spends billions of dollars on..."tax-cuts-for-the-rich (TM)"

First, it should be pointed out that the rich are a minority of those who get fair and proportional tax cuts under the Bush plan.

Second, it is a lie to say that the government has spent any money at all on these tax cuts. It is not the government's money to spend.

Is it "spending" by the mugger if he fails to swipe the $20 you have in your pocket?

Re:No money for health or education, then? (1)

DarthMaul (89735) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460570)

and how many attacks have been averted that we will never know about? I was unaware of the requirement that the Fed's hold a press conference everytime a sucessful mission is carried out...

NBC what???? (1)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460467)

No wonder there are so many responses that are joking about the NBC television network. What does NBC mean here? I thought I knew acronyms, but not this one.

While NBC is in the title, it is not in the story description, nor is it in the actual article. I'm guessing it is Nuclear something, but I do not know.

Re:NBC what???? (2, Informative)

HaloZero (610207) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460572)

Nuclear
Biological
Chemical

Can you read??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460580)

While NBC is in the title, it is not in the story description...

Oh, no?

"...chemical, biological and nuclear threats..."

Nuclear
Biological
Chemical

Just because the words are out of order, that completely throws you for a loop? Have you ever returned a bag of M&Ms as "defective" because half of the candies said "W" on them?

Right (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460494)

Sure, create a lot of warning systems and defence systems. Everyone feels safe.

Than continue with stupid foreign policy.

Everybody happy, including the no-brainers in politics.

There are no defence systems in the US (1)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460503)

" Sure, create a lot of warning systems and defence systems. Everyone feels safe."

There are no defence systems in this country, except for de fence who tries to sell you de stolen goods.

Re:There are no defence systems in the US (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460578)

Give this non-native English speaker a break will ye? ;-) Try to write the Dutch word for defense, I bet you need to look it up ;-)

Re:Right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460528)

( by the way, parent's comment is an invinite loop, forgot to mention )

Letterman (1)

nightsweat (604367) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460504)

Letterman used to give the NBC sensors fits.

I mean, he'd carry in nuclear, bilogical, and chemical weapons in to the studio in his pants every day. When the pants came off, the sensors went wild.

Now, of course he causes problems with the CBS sensors. His Cardiac Bypass Shunt cause all kinds of problems.

Aren't acronyms fun?

Re:Letterman (1)

dentar (6540) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460576)

NBC isn't an acronym. An acronym has to be pronouncable as a word, like FUBAR, or FUD.

NBC is just initials.

Why not FOX? (1)

ChessHacker (564509) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460507)

I feel more threatened by FOX TV.

Not scared? You should be.

In one ear (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460524)

out the analog

Trust me.... (1)

borgdows (599861) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460525)

...NBC are innofensive compared to MSNBC!

Keep calm, the Reds are not out to get you (1)

sien (35268) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460531)

Terrorists, terrorists everywhere! Relax and wise up.

Read this [sightm1911.com] and use your common sense and don't panic.

What's the goal of terrorist attacks? (2, Insightful)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 11 years ago | (#6460547)

As September 11 2000 showed us, the most effective way of killing people is large and obvious amounts of energy (kinetic, potential, chemical). The NBC available to terrorists - dirty rather than fission, agents that can effect only a small area and number of people - are minor in comparison. Their primary effect is to create panic out of proportion to the actual effect.

Sure, release Sarin in a subway station, you'll kill some people. But have a detector that screams "Sarin attack! Sarin attack!" and you'll kill just as many, perhaps more, in the stampede to get out.

And if it turns out that the sensor was triggered by a new type of cologne? Well, we've just done the terrorists' job for them.

As a further thought, how do you field test these things? Test them in the lab with real agents, sure. Test them in the field with harmless agents that produce the same effect (and hope that nobody finds out what those are), but how do you know with any confidence that you can actually detect a genuine attack in the field? False positives in a military situation aren't so bad - all that will happen is that the grunts will turn on the overpressure systems or put on their NBC suits, but in a civilian situation? We've seen what happens when large numbers of people panic in a small area. Deploying these in cities seems to me like a big gamble to take, for little potential reward, when the costs of false positives are so high.

I'm not suggesting that we do nothing, but I am suggesting that reaction (which includes "preemptive strikes" against people that already hate us) isn't the way to go. Perhaps we could devote some of this energy to dealing with the causes of terrorism rather than the symptoms.

I'm all scared ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6460549)

Having just seen Terminator 3, this almost gives me the creeps!
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