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When Good Spammers Go Bad

Hemos posted more than 10 years ago | from the whip-lash-from-spammers dept.

Censorship 305

pfleming writes "According to this blog article on BadTux by Eric Green, the constant harrassment of spammers has a price. You get a Cease and Desist letter- or more correctly, your ISP gets a C/D letter. But, if you're a hard core geek you just might get your site more notice as it gets mirrored out onto sympathetic hosts. Also mirrored in other locations."

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better mirror that geocities page (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6489730)

becuase he'll go over his hourly cap in no time at all..

Re:better mirror that geocities page (5, Funny)

maroberts (15852) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489761)

Just failed to access his site. Lawyers may fail to shut it down, but slashdot can do it in seconds! :-)

Re:better mirror that geocities page (2, Funny)

Harlockjds (463986) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489845)

having the main mirror of a slashdoted webpage hosted on a free geocities page = Bad idea.

site text (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6489887)

Mirrored from news.badtux.net
Eric Green doesn't use Windows very much. A long-time Linux user and advocate since 1995, Windows software interests him about as much as, say, the price of pork bellies on the Chicago futures market. So why is the publisher of a much-spammed Windows software product trying to shut him down? Welcome to the wild and whacky story of the strangest bunch of spammer scammers on the Internet: those whacky folks at Robin Hood Software whose overpriced "Evidence Eliminator" software is spammed on every Internet forum on a regular basis. This is a tale of spammers and spam, and an unlikely spam fighter who has learned that spammers suck even worse than most people think. And in the end, it's the story of how spam fighters around the globe support each other when the spammers decide to go after their critics and detractors. It all started back in June 2000. At the time, I was researching encryption algorithms for use in a new software product. There was this product called 'Evidence Eliminator', produced by a company named 'Robin Hood Software', being hyped on the sci.crypt and alt.privacy newsgroups. Curious, I went to the web site of the publisher of the software. After being subjected to flash animation, popups threatening me with jail if I didn't buy Evidence Eliminator, and no way to contact the makers of the product other than a web form, I decided: "These people aren't credible." And said so. From my work account. Big mistake. I didn't realize I was dealing with spammers. I thought they'd be interested in seeing what an industry veteran thought. But there was no response to my message on the sci.crypt newsgroup. As far as I was concerned, that was the end of it. I went on with his life. But Andy Churchill, one of the principals of Robin Hood Software, wasn't so eager to let go. Imagine my surprise when, in early 2001, I ran a Google search for my name and discovered that I was part of a vast conspiracy by some strange New World Order collection of villains to destroy the makers of "the best security product on the market"! Naturally I wasn't happy. And as someone who isn't shy about expressing his opinion, I expressed it, sending EMAIL to Robin Hood Software demanding that they remove any mention of me from their site. Andy Churchill of Robin Hood Software iadmits to have received that EMAIL, but says, "we deleted it". There was no response from Robin Hood Software. So I did what comes naturally to any Linux geek: I put up a web page. Which Robin Hood Software swiftly (and in violation of my copyright) duplicated on their own web site, with "False." (no explanation) beside each of my points as to why you shouldn't buy their software. And as time went by and, thanks to the readers of my site, I accumulated more and more evidence about Robin Hood Software's activities, including evidence that they were behind the "push ICQ" spamming of their product (an EMAIL to their affiliates urging them to do that kind of spamming), Robin Hood Software's web site became yet more lurid, even to the point of duplicating a copyrighted gag photo (cropping out Agent Binks) on their own web site. These people don't appear to be too stable -- definite candidates for the aluminum foil beanie award. In early 2002 I purchased the domain name 'evidence-eliminator-sucks.com', and did a major overhaul of the web site to try to organize the by-then large amount of information that I'd accumulated about Robin Hood Software and its activities. By that time it was clear that these weren't nice people. Deceptive claims in their advertising, huge amounts of spam originating from their affiliates, ia browser hijack virus that hijacks people's web browsers and redirects them to the Evidence Eliminator home page, and their continued attempts to disparage their critics and competitors on their aptly-named Dis-Information page pretty much are a Major Clue. I also launched the "Evidence Eliminator Sucks Conspiracy" -- both a statement on what I feels is Robin Hood Software's paranoia in their rantings about a "vast conspiracy" out to "get" them, and an attempt to get other security-oriented sites to link back to the new domain so that when people went to Google to look up Robin Hood Software, the evidence-eliminator-sucks.com site would come up near the top. The effort appears to have paid off. The evidence-eliminator-sucks.com site is regularly 3rd or 4th from the top on Google's list of results for the term "evidence eliminator". The crew at Robin Hood Software is so concerned that they have put out a special warning that greets everyone who surfs in from Google. And, on July 17, 2003, at approximately 10:15am, I got a call from my upstream service provider: They had received a letter on lawyer's letterhead, demanding that this service provider quit publishing the site. It didn't take long to establish what was going on. In a meeting at the ISP's offices, the ISP's operations manager viewed the evidence-eliminator-sucks.com site, viewed the www.evidence-eliminator.com site, and quickly realized that a) these were "not nice people", and b) these people had no case. Unlike in the given example case of Godfrey vs. Demon Internet LLC, the ISP wasn't publishing the site. The site never touched any of the ISP's computers. All the ISP was providing was the upstream for the DSL line, the site was published on a computer on my own home network. On the other hand, even though the threat was nonsense, just showing up in an English court to get a lawsuit dismissed would cost thousands of dollars. What to do? The eventual decision was to take the site down, replace it with the legal notice, and start spreading the word. I started contacting the various members of the "conspiracy" (anybody who had ever linked to the site), looking for people who could host mirrors of the site so that it couldn't be shut down again via a single lawyer nastygram. Word quickly spread in the news.admin.net-abuse heirarchy, and numerous people stepped forward to host a mirror. I also made copies of the site to two free webhosting companies and posted links in various newsgroups. Finally, on July 19 2003, two days after the takedown notice, the site was back up, hosted on several mirrors scattered around the Internet. So what have I learned from this experience? Well: 1. Spammers suck. They really, really suck. They are lower than snakes' bellies. They are nutcases with no morals, who need to take their meds more often. 2. Documenting spammers' antics does hurt them. After all, they wouldn't have come after me if my site had not been hurting them, right? 3. The international nature of the Internet is both a boon and a curse. You'll notice that the spammers are careful to only defame Americans. There isn't a single Brit on their paranoid listing of the "vast conspiracy" out to get them. That's because they know it's too expensive to file a cross-Atlantic lawsuit against them. On the other hand, that also protects those of us on this side of the pond from their lawsuits too. 4. Spammers are really, really, really stupid. I offered to take down evidence-eliminator-sucks.com for free. All they had to do was take all mention of me off their site. I mean, what do I care about what Windows losers get scammed out of? But no, they had to go off and hire a solicitor to spew out a cart00ney, and now it's too late for that: the site is now hosted on several servers scattered around the Internet, and I couldn't make the site go away now even if I wanted to. 5. Nobody, and I mean nobody, loves spammers. I got so many offers of mirrors for the site that I could have added two more (but stopped at three because my update script started getting slow, between updating those three and updating the tripod.com off-site mirror). Their EMAIL'ed complaints to the ISP of one of the mirror sites resulted in a warning from the abuse department at that ISP: said their abuse manager, "you're too easy on those spammers, you need to hit them harder! Considered yourself warned about the content of your site." What comes next? Well, I guess they sue me. I'm not looking forward to it. This whole situation is a distraction from my main chore right now -- looking for a new job (my employer laid off their entire U.S. workforce a few weeks ago). On the other hand, if they do so, you can bet I won't take it lying down. You mess with a Cajun boy from Louisiana, you better expect more of the same coming right back at you -- with interest. Considering that they've violated my copyright thousands of times by distributing my copyrighted photograph, somehow I think actually filing a lawsuit would be as stupid as anything else this particular bunch of spammer scammers has done. But then, who ever said spammers were smart? - Eric Lee Green, Phoenix, Arizona, July 20, 2003

It was going ok. (5, Insightful)

rf0 (159958) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489732)

I was impressed with the article until I got to the comment "I mean, what do I care about what Windows losers get scammed out of?". Now I like Linux much as the next geek but thats just going to aliante people.

M$ might be a monopoly but at least they have bought some form of consistency

Rus

Re:It was going ok. (1)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489745)

I was going to post the exact same thing.

Dude was doing ok til he threw this stupid and not necessary jab out there.

I got your sympathy right here, dude.

That one statement ruined everything he was trying to say.

Re:It was going ok. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6489768)

"Now I like Linux much as the next geek but thats just going to aliante people."

Yeah, no need to go to aliante. There are holiday destinations in Spain which frankly better any Italy has to offer.

Re:It was going ok. (0, Insightful)

Kyzia (544710) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489784)

I was impressed with the article until I got to the comment "I mean, what do I care about what Windows losers get scammed out of?". Now I like Linux much as the next geek but thats just going to aliante people.

Depends on how you choose to read it. Their software is targeted at Windows, and the people most likely to fall for their campaign could be considered 'losers', or 'less tech savvy', if you're feeling generous.

Re:It was going ok. (5, Insightful)

IIRCAFAIKIANAL (572786) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489817)

No doubt. Calling someone a loser because of what O/S they are running automatically *makes the caller* the loser. Thankfully I've never met anyone like that in the flesh - just on the wild expanses of the Internet. Everybody I've ever met runs whatever O/S they need to do the job, whether it's Linux, Windows, BSD, or whatever.

That kind of shit is what makes Linux advocates all look insane and results in me having to explain that, no, not all Linux users are short-sighted, socially-inept zealots every time I bring Linux up at work. It's a lot easier to sell Linux to people without the idiotic pomposity.

Re:It was going ok. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6489928)

The number one answer to the question: "What don't you like about Linux?" is: "The people that use it."

It is because of guys like him.

Re:It was going ok. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6490113)

Right on! I use four different OSes at work: OS/400 (LOB system), OS/2(Phone system), Windows(a variety of flavors), and Linux (another variety of flavors). Each does a specific job very well. I would no more trade in Windows for Linux than do the opposite.

Re:It was going ok. (1)

the_rev_matt (239420) | more than 10 years ago | (#6490120)

Oddly enough, I've met plenty of people who are like that in the flesh, but they have universally been Windows users. I have been harassed and even threatened by Windows users because I prefer to use Linux.

Re:It was going ok. (4, Informative)

interiot (50685) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489842)

That was a bit of hyperbole. I don't think he would have spent time collecting all this info and putting up various mirrors if he didn't want the truth to get out and save people $100.

Here's most of the paragraph that you quoted from

  • I offered to take down evidence-eliminator-sucks.com for free. All they had to do was take all mention of me off their site. I mean, what do I care about what Windows losers get scammed out of? But no, they had to go off and hire a solicitor to spew out a cart00ney, and now it's too late for that: the site is now hosted on several servers scattered around the Internet, and I couldn't make the site go away now even if I wanted to.
What he's refering to is this page [evidence-eliminator.com] on evidence eliminator's page that twists the truth a lot about Eric Green.

Anyway, if he wanted to be more accurate, he probably would have said "I care a great deal about evidence-eliminator removing untruths on their website about me, more than I necessarily care about getting the truth out."

Re:It was going ok. (4, Interesting)

ameoba (173803) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489919)

my god. I can't believe that any real business would be so fucking childish as to post the picture, name & address of their detractors. that right there, regardless of any of the other stuff surrounding it, is enough to put them on my shitlist.

Re:It was going ok. (1)

arkanes (521690) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489990)

Christ, that page is pretty offensive. I don't care if they were 100% lying about "evidence eliminator" or outright claiming that it was only used by child sex rings, that kind of crap is indefensible.

Re:It was going ok. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6490137)

Why hasn't the guy contacted the upstream provide for these fucking loonies? Good God!

Re:It was going ok. (4, Insightful)

Eric Green (627) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489955)

You're right, that was a bit over the top, and I'll take it out once I get the site back up (it's currently somewhat slashdotted -- GeekCode isn't exactly the fastest blogging software out there!).

Re:It was going ok. (4, Funny)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 10 years ago | (#6490061)

Heck, if you're going to do that, just put up some pictures of your cats or something. It's Slashdot, it's not as though anyone's going to actually read the article before spouting off, we'll just skim it for mentions of Microsoft, Lunix and DMCA, then roll out the standard flames.

Re:It was going ok. (0, Flamebait)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 10 years ago | (#6490015)

>M$ might be a monopoly but at least they have bought some form of consistency

Sure, through their licensing, activation and DRM initiatives, they consistently say they their customers are thieves.

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Open source? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6489755)

I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Open Source fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a Linux box (a P4 3200 w/1024 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Athlon 900 running Windows XP, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Linux box, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
In addition, during this file transfer, Mozilla will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even vi is straining to keep up as I type this.

I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Linux machines, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Linux box that has run faster than its Windows counterpart, despite the Linux machine's faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 3200 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that Linux is a "superior" OS.

Open Source addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use an Open Source over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.

Re:Open source? (-1, Offtopic)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489790)

You might have named the OS, would help you know. There are many kernel versions, many filesystems, many distributions, many desktops.

Not to mention that you might have an extrememly poorly configured Linux system. UDMA might be running at a very slow speed for starters.

If you wanted to have a file in two folders you might have looked up symbolic links, you wouldn't need a file in two folders then, you will save disk space too.

Re:Open source? (1)

49152 (690909) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489852)

Very strange indeed. I have the opposite case here, Linux is responsive and fast but windows is sluggish and pretty much locks up for a long time if I try copying a large file.

Re:Open source? (2, Informative)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 10 years ago | (#6490139)

I know you're a troll but for the benefit of other people here...

hdparm is your friend. Make sure you enable udma transfers. E.g.

hdparm -d1 -X udma6 /dev/hda

You can do this for your other drives/cdrom/etc.

For example, without udma I can only burn cd's at around 12x and it uses all of the cpu time. With it on I can burn cd's at 30x and the cpu is virtually 99% free.

In short, configure your computer properly. Even in older windows you had to enable DMA for DVD roms and such.

Tom

With great power comes... (5, Insightful)

xThinkx (680615) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489773)

... You know the rest of it. Just as comic book characters have such a code, it would appear that computer geeks need one too.

It's obvious that the folks at evidence eliminator know a good bit about tech, and not enough about morality. A lot of other fine folks who run legit/non-shady companies have the same knowledge but don't use it to trick consumers into using their products (probably because they actually make something useful). Just because you have the power to do something doesn't mean you should use it. Imagine if the loyal slashdot crowd were to use our collective resources to advertise any one issue or cause.....

Re:With great power comes... (1)

JamesP (688957) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489782)

Do you mean the Linux one is: With great power comes... greater coolers?

OT: Coding ethics (Was: With great power comes...) (0, Offtopic)

buro9 (633210) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489816)

I recently posted an "Ask Slashdot" article asking precisely what this code of ethics between coders should be. I believe there is one, and I believe that most coders act maturely and for the benefit of the wider community and good whilst also protecting each other. Would've been interesting to see what others thought on this. The scenario I had encountered was regards illegal software and whether you would report a colleague to FAST (or equivalent) after you or that person had left the company. I personally wouldn't... but here we found that someone would. Likewise... I would not wish harm, or act maliciously towards a Windows user or anyone else... even a spammer in some regards (use legal and legit ways to prevent them from harming me (e.g. filters) but not actively harm others to hurt them). Most of the time, my coding ethics, beyond the bond of workmates and industry, is in tune with my real world ethics... do what you want providing it doesn't hurt others. Oh, and before someone says anything... I couldn't RTFA as the site has been slashdotted... anyone got the text?

Errr, Like Linux? (4, Funny)

Myriad (89793) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489902)

Imagine if the loyal slashdot crowd were to use our collective resources to advertise any one issue or cause.....

Erm, you mean like Microsoft Bad, Linux Good?

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Good spammers? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6489775)

You can find them with Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

Damn, the trolls are busy this morning.

K5 Had It First (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6489777)

Re:K5 Had It First (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6489791)

Who gives a fuck? Not everyone reads every news site out there

Re:K5 Had It First (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6489796)

this is something CmdrTaco said on the last IRC forum.. kinda puts things in perspective, eh?

"comparing K5 & Slashdot is like comparing your high school newsletter to the NYT."

Re:K5 Had It First (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6489908)

"comparing K5 & Slashdot is like comparing your high school newsletter to the NYT."

Yes, /. is a lot like my highschool news letter. Taco had it just right.

Re:K5 Had It First (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6490086)

Not quite - Slashdot has the wide recognition, but none of the respect. Kuro5hin has far far less recognition but is far more factual, in depth and interesting.

A better comparison would be Slashdot as the New York Post and Kuro5hin as the magazine "The Economist". Both are well known, but the New York Post has a much wider readership, is more recognizable and has more up to date news than The Economist. However, the New York Post is widely thought of as a very sloppy and in many ways incompetant, whereas The economist is widely revered for its truly insightful and important writings.

penisbird (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6489779)

Dear rotten.com,

I am unsure if you are aware of the problems that your "Incident with the bird" picture has caused on the popular technology website slashdot (http://slashdot.org).
Many users of this site's messageboards are posting links to http://smoke.rotten.com/bird/ [rotten.com] and making text based representations of a bird on a man's penis. Frankly, while I am pro-freedom, this type of photo sickens me. Could you please move the location of the bird page on your site to keep slashdot readers from seeing things that are completeley unrelated to computers and technology? I'm not asking you to remove the content, just to relocate it.
FYI the text representation of the bird is:
*p_e_n_i_s_b_i_r_d_p_e_n_i_s_b_i_r_d* [nero-online.org]
p______...__________________________p
e____(_..__`'-.,--,_________________e
n_____'-._'-.__`\a\\________________n
i_________'.___.'_(|________________i
s____________7____||________________s
b___________/___.'_|________________b
i__________/_.-'__,J________________i
r_________/_________\_______________r
d________||___/______;______________d
*________||__|_______|______________*
p________`\__\_______|__/__''\______p
e__________'._\______/.-`____{}|____e
n___________/\_`;_.-'_________/_____n
i___________\_;(((____.--'\_/_______i
s_________.(((_____.-;\_____________s
b____.--'`_____,;`'.'-;\____________b
i_taco's____.'____'._.'\\___________i
r_dick_--'_________|__\_|___________r
d__________________\_\,_/___________d
*p_e_n_i_s_b_i_r_d_p_e_n_i_s_b_i_r_d*
(Note: CmdrTaco's penis length exaggerated for effect only)
with a link to the offensive site (http://smoke.rotten.com/bird/ [rotten.com]) underneath, these "Penis Birds" are posted by Penis Bird Guy, Penis Bird MAN and several other users.
Regards, Andrew J. Tosh

fucking a d00d (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6489794)

so how'd you defeat the nefarious lameness filter this time? please do tell; inquiring minds demand to know. k thx.

Re:fucking a d00d (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6489812)

join us in #GNAA on EFNet and I'll tell ya

Lies! (5, Insightful)

Baloo Ursidae (29355) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489783)

When good spammers go bad? Isn't that kind of pretentious thinking there are good spammers?

Re:Lies! (4, Funny)

devnullkac (223246) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489921)

To paraphrase Starship Troopers:

The only good spammer is a dead spammer.

Re:Lies! (1)

aastanna (689180) | more than 10 years ago | (#6490128)

Hmmm...
"When Good Spammers Go Bad" + "The only good spammer is a dead spammer."
="When Dead Spammers Go Bad"
= Rotting Spammers
....ew...

Introducing the GNAAA! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6489799)

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Re:Introducing the GNAAA! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6489832)

it says I am banned, why cant I get into #GNAAA?

My own list of spammers... (5, Informative)

vandan (151516) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489813)

I've got a file with ip addresses of spammers who've pissed me off enough to blacklist them. It's available at http://enthalpy.homelinux.org/spammers.txt [homelinux.org].

I use the following script:

for I in `cat /etc/firewall/spammers.txt`
do
echo Blacklisting Spammer: $I/23
iptables -A INPUT -s $I/23 -j REJECT
done

to blacklist them.

I personally guanantee that all the addresses in this list have spammed me. If you don't believe / trust me, fine - don't use it. I use it on a production server and have never had any complaints...

By the way, the /23 in the iptables might be too 'clumsy' for some. You can use /24 which blocks a smaller group of computers around the ip address in the list. /23 works fine for us.

The list is 98% asian dsl accounts.

Also, for an alternative solution, try this:

smbclient -L $IP_ADDRESS

where $IP_ADDRESS is the address of the computer that spammed you.

If you're in luck, you'll find yourself connecting to a Windows computer. It'll ask you for a password. Hit enter. If you're still in luck, it will list the available shares, and a list of server names. Pick a server name. If there are more than one, try each one ;)

Now, download and compile 'smbdie'. Search for it on google. Run:

smbdie -i $IP_ADDRESS -p 139 -t $SERVER_NAME

where $SERVER_NAME is the server name you just picked from smbclient's output ( above ). If you are still in luck, you will have rebooted the spammer's computer ( it blue-screens ), and maybe even caused some data loss.

Really don't like them? Add the smbdie command to a cron job. I've found most spammers have fixed ip addresses, and they become available to reboot again withing approximately 2-3 minutes.

Enjoy!

Re:My own list of spammers... (5, Informative)

alienw (585907) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489862)

You do realize that this is illegal and you can be prosecuted?

Re:My own list of spammers... (2, Interesting)

vandan (151516) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489925)

They can bite me.
I've got logs to show that they spammed me.
If they take me to court, I'll counter-sue for double the amount they're claiming, consisting of:

a) Trespassing on private property
b) Bandwidth
c) Harassment and mental anguish

I'll also punch them in the face on the way out of court.

Re:My own list of spammers... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6489960)

Except they may not be the spammers but users whose systems were abused by spammers or users who inherited the IP address of a spammer. There is absolutely no excuse for striking back against computers on the other side of the world. You can ignore them, no questions asked, but if you have to cause them harm, do it through their upstream provider. They know the situation and can deal with the problem in a civilized manner. Most ISPs will warn YOU and then terminate YOUR account if they become aware of your vigilante "justice".

Re:My own list of spammers... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6489991)

Asian ISPs don't give a shit what their customers do-- why do you think so much spam comes from there, fool?

Vigilante justice is the way to go with them.

Re:My own list of spammers... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6490042)

You're not harming the spammer. The rest is just you getting away with a crime. At that point, you're no better than the spammer you're going after. Blocking pseudorandom DSL IPs is about as (in)effective an antispam measure as nuking the machines. You just want to vent your anger.

Re:My own list of spammers... (3, Interesting)

vandan (151516) | more than 10 years ago | (#6490108)

Not really.
Look at it like this.

We are a private company and we have a mail server.
We refuse to accept ANY incoming connections from networks that have had spammers on them at one point. What is anyone going to do to stop us from firewalling them?

It's like saying that someone's going to sue me for putting my hands over my ears when I hear them talking about how good George fucking Bush is. I know they're wrong. I'm sick of hearing about him. I refuse to listen further.

As for posting the list, I am not forcing anyone to use it. I'm simply stating a fact: these addresses spammed us, and that you can use the script provided to blacklist the networks involved. If people download it and use it, that's not my problem.

It's like me saying that Nike products are made in sweat shops and people should buy them because they are supporting a company that believes in slave labour. I'm only stating facts. If people stop buying Nike products because of what I've said, then surely Nike is the cause of that, and not me - I'm only spreading facts.

As for the 'innocent' personal on a network that has had a spammer on it and is now blacklisted ... yeah that can happen. It doesn't really concern me. If people use the ip list I provided, then they do so with the knowledge that this is not a science, but an art - just like the rest of fighting spam. People using it also know ( as has been pointed out by me and several others now ) that nothing of worth comes out of Korean / Taiwanese / Chinese computers. It's quite common practice for people to blacklist the Asia / Pacific completely to rid themselves of Asian script kiddies, spammers, and other arse-wipes.

As for there being 'absolutely no excuse for striking back against computers on the other side of the world' ... yeah I agree with you, apart from if they started it :)

Wrong! (3, Funny)

lysium (644252) | more than 10 years ago | (#6490127)

"Words do not a guilty man make."
--NJ state court judge, on acquitting Allen Ginsburg of smoking pot in a newspaper quote.

On that note, I shot five people last night. Sorry to everyone affected.

---------

Re:My own list of spammers... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6489869)

http://enthalpy.homelinux.org/spammers.txt

Nice collection, 954 unique addresses -- but how many of those do you think are DHCP'd?

Re:My own list of spammers... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6489899)

Which is why you ban asian class C's instead of individual addresses. It's a well known fact that asians have nothing useful to contribute to the internet.

Ok, well that's my impression given the daily barrage of 50 [in Asian languages, mostly chinese] spams I get. Heck I don't even get spammed in english anymore!

Of course Moz is fairly good at filtering out the gook speak but it's still annoying.

Re:My own list of spammers... (1)

Jibber (83396) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489923)

http://enthalpy.homelinux.org/spammers.txt

Nice collection, 954 unique addresses -- but how many of those do you think are DHCP'd?

Probably most of them. I think the point is they shouldn't be talking directly to your mail server. I do the same thing but with rbldns and I've got over 4000 address's and class c's in it.

If someone does want to run their own mail server, our address is on the rbl page and they can easily send us an email. Jib

Re:My own list of spammers... (2, Interesting)

Elyas (59360) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489965)

Please bear in mind, the server you are killing is not "the spammers" computer, it's a computer that spammer has compromised.

You are actually rebooting some poor schmuck who used to have a "slow" computer, and now has one that doesn' work right.

Check to see what netblock the dsl line is in and let the provider know instead.

Re:My own list of spammers... (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 10 years ago | (#6490035)

>You are actually rebooting some poor schmuck who used to have a "slow" computer, and now has one that doesn' work right.

It didn't "work right" before. You're now making Joe Shmuch aware of that. Also, did you read the point about most of these being fixed IPs on asian ISP blocks?

>Check to see what netblock the dsl line is in and let the provider know instead.

See above. Pissing up the wind.

Great idea!!! Except.... (3, Insightful)

HedsSpaz (143961) | more than 10 years ago | (#6490012)

You aren't actually crashing the "spammer's" box. You're crashing the box of some poor sucker who doesn't know enough to that he should have a firewall (software or hardware), between his computer and his cable/dsl modem. Meanwhile, the spammer just moves on to another of his pool of tens of thousands of broadband IP's which have computers attached to them EXACTLY THE SAME WAY.

So congratualtions, you have successfully made some poor guy's day miserable because his box keeps rebooting and he hasn't an fscking clue why, and you have done exactly nothing to hinder the spammers. Keep up the great work!

Re:My own list of spammers... (1)

fred_sanford (678924) | more than 10 years ago | (#6490066)

to quote Empire Records: "I like your style."
Though personally I disagree with it.
Voltaire: "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Re:My own list of spammersjp... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6490110)

I'd rather do for I in `cat /etc/firewall/spammers.txt` do nuke I done

The law is an ass (5, Insightful)

Jardel (682142) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489821)

That can work for either party, there's nothing new about people filing law suits in order to prevent someone from doing the right thing. It is important to remember however when dealing with such assholes that a letter from a lawyer is not as intimidating and many people think. Lawyers write letters which have little or not legal value all the time, I've received some myself when my old landlord and his wife got divorced and were fighting over who was the landowner. The letter itself wasn't worth the paper it was printed on, but it did have an official legal letterhead. Always make sure you know your legal rights and never trust the other guy's lawyer to tell them to you.

This is what freenet is designed for! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6489824)

It is supposed to provide a save harbour for all contraversal sites, like this one! Ive inserted his site into the freenet. You can download freenet here [freenetproject.org], and access the site here [127.0.0.1]

When what now? (5, Funny)

Jonsey (593310) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489836)

When good Spammers go bad?

Logically, the only good spammer, is a dead spammer.

Therefore, all good spammers are past their experation date already.

So logically, all good spammers must be bad. :: Jonsey's Head Explodes ::

Re:When what now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6489885)

As you rightly say, the only good spammer is a dead spammer.

So unless they're kept refrigerated, good spammers quite quickly rot (go bad). But not instantly.

When Good Spammers Go Bad (2, Redundant)

wfberg (24378) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489841)

The only good spammer is a dead spammer. Are we talking zombies here?

Re:When Good Spammers Go Bad (1)

radja (58949) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489894)

when good spammers go bad. that's the moment decay starts on their abandoned bodies, swinging gently in the wind on their gallows.

Re:When Good Spammers Go Bad (1)

Lord_Slepnir (585350) | more than 10 years ago | (#6490062)

no, then it would be "The only good spammer is an undead spammer"

Of course, they prefer to be called "Undead Americans". The Zombie lobby lost some power since Strom Thurmond stepped down (The Watcher's Council was onto him, just needed an excuse to push him into direct sunlight)

Kind of on topic (4, Interesting)

0x7F (158643) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489848)

I got this little gem in the mail this morning.

Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 04:59:32 +0000 (GMT)

Subject: Pussy-Hunter.net was hacked

I know they probably logged my IP, but I dont care, because I think it is wrong of them to steal my email address and send me porn adds, I recommend that you cancel any subscriptions with them immediately. The reason you are receiving this message is because im using Pussy-Hunter.net's own tool that they use to send emails to thousands and thousands of people. They have lists of stolen and random generated email addresses. If you dont beleive me just goto www.pussy-hunter.net/cgi-bin/ and look through the files.

Re:Kind of on topic (1)

cyborch (524661) | more than 10 years ago | (#6490014)

I got one of those too... one second after visiting www.pussy-hunter.net/cgi-bin/ I got a second mail saying: "Me again. You can contact me at JacobRiley_2@hotmail.com". I'm pretty sure that is a good sign that my e-mail address is now logged and will be spammed to death in the near future... It's really sad, I liked that address.

Re:Kind of on topic (1)

Patman (32745) | more than 10 years ago | (#6490087)

I only got the *second* one(the me again version).

I'm pissed, I never got to go to pussy-hunter.net

When Good Stories Go Down (5, Funny)

vaderhelmet (591186) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489849)

from the whip-lash-from-slashdot dept.
vaderhelmet writes "According to this server error on BadTux by the webserver, the constant loading of pages has a price. You get a 425 error- or more correctly, you cannot connect to the host. But, if you're a hard core geek you just might get your site more notice as it gets mirrored out onto sympathetic hosts. Also slashdotted in other locations."

Re:When Good Stories Go Down (1)

SlayerofGods (682938) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489949)

Lol I'm getting a message that says the server was slashdotted.
Exact text
Slashdotted!

Not available at the moment due to the Slashdot Effect. Will be back shortly as a (much faster) static page. Thank you for your patience.
Also a link to a geocities site?? God knows that could last more then a min.

re: when good stories go down (0)

ed.han (444783) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489958)

for anybody who is getting through:

"slashdotted!

not available at the moment due to the slashdot effect. will be back shortly as a (much faster) static page. thank you for your patience."

i really, really dig webmasters who account for this. clearly, this one must be a regular here.

ed

text of article (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6489853)


Mirrored from news.badtux.net
Eric Green doesn't use Windows very much. A long-time Linux user and advocate since 1995, Windows software interests him about as much as, say, the price of pork bellies on the Chicago futures market. So why is the publisher of a much-spammed Windows software product trying to shut him down? Welcome to the wild and whacky story of the strangest bunch of spammer scammers on the Internet: those whacky folks at Robin Hood Software whose overpriced "Evidence Eliminator" software is spammed on every Internet forum on a regular basis. This is a tale of spammers and spam, and an unlikely spam fighter who has learned that spammers suck even worse than most people think. And in the end, it's the story of how spam fighters around the globe support each other when the spammers decide to go after their critics and detractors. It all started back in June 2000. At the time, I was researching encryption algorithms for use in a new software product. There was this product called 'Evidence Eliminator', produced by a company named 'Robin Hood Software', being hyped on the sci.crypt and alt.privacy newsgroups. Curious, I went to the web site of the publisher of the software. After being subjected to flash animation, popups threatening me with jail if I didn't buy Evidence Eliminator, and no way to contact the makers of the product other than a web form, I decided: "These people aren't credible." And said so. From my work account. Big mistake. I didn't realize I was dealing with spammers. I thought they'd be interested in seeing what an industry veteran thought. But there was no response to my message on the sci.crypt newsgroup. As far as I was concerned, that was the end of it. I went on with his life. But Andy Churchill, one of the principals of Robin Hood Software, wasn't so eager to let go. Imagine my surprise when, in early 2001, I ran a Google search for my name and discovered that I was part of a vast conspiracy by some strange New World Order collection of villains to destroy the makers of "the best security product on the market"! Naturally I wasn't happy. And as someone who isn't shy about expressing his opinion, I expressed it, sending EMAIL to Robin Hood Software demanding that they remove any mention of me from their site. Andy Churchill of Robin Hood Software iadmits to have received that EMAIL, but says, "we deleted it". There was no response from Robin Hood Software. So I did what comes naturally to any Linux geek: I put up a web page. Which Robin Hood Software swiftly (and in violation of my copyright) duplicated on their own web site, with "False." (no explanation) beside each of my points as to why you shouldn't buy their software. And as time went by and, thanks to the readers of my site, I accumulated more and more evidence about Robin Hood Software's activities, including evidence that they were behind the "push ICQ" spamming of their product (an EMAIL to their affiliates urging them to do that kind of spamming), Robin Hood Software's web site became yet more lurid, even to the point of duplicating a copyrighted gag photo (cropping out Agent Binks) on their own web site. These people don't appear to be too stable -- definite candidates for the aluminum foil beanie award. In early 2002 I purchased the domain name 'evidence-eliminator-sucks.com', and did a major overhaul of the web site to try to organize the by-then large amount of information that I'd accumulated about Robin Hood Software and its activities. By that time it was clear that these weren't nice people. Deceptive claims in their advertising, huge amounts of spam originating from their affiliates, ia browser hijack virus that hijacks people's web browsers and redirects them to the Evidence Eliminator home page, and their continued attempts to disparage their critics and competitors on their aptly-named Dis-Information page pretty much are a Major Clue. I also launched the "Evidence Eliminator Sucks Conspiracy" -- both a statement on what I feels is Robin Hood Software's paranoia in their rantings about a "vast conspiracy" out to "get" them, and an attempt to get other security-oriented sites to link back to the new domain so that when people went to Google to look up Robin Hood Software, the evidence-eliminator-sucks.com site would come up near the top. The effort appears to have paid off. The evidence-eliminator-sucks.com site is regularly 3rd or 4th from the top on Google's list of results for the term "evidence eliminator". The crew at Robin Hood Software is so concerned that they have put out a special warning that greets everyone who surfs in from Google. And, on July 17, 2003, at approximately 10:15am, I got a call from my upstream service provider: They had received a letter on lawyer's letterhead, demanding that this service provider quit publishing the site. It didn't take long to establish what was going on. In a meeting at the ISP's offices, the ISP's operations manager viewed the evidence-eliminator-sucks.com site, viewed the www.evidence-eliminator.com site, and quickly realized that a) these were "not nice people", and b) these people had no case. Unlike in the given example case of Godfrey vs. Demon Internet LLC, the ISP wasn't publishing the site. The site never touched any of the ISP's computers. All the ISP was providing was the upstream for the DSL line, the site was published on a computer on my own home network. On the other hand, even though the threat was nonsense, just showing up in an English court to get a lawsuit dismissed would cost thousands of dollars. What to do? The eventual decision was to take the site down, replace it with the legal notice, and start spreading the word. I started contacting the various members of the "conspiracy" (anybody who had ever linked to the site), looking for people who could host mirrors of the site so that it couldn't be shut down again via a single lawyer nastygram. Word quickly spread in the news.admin.net-abuse heirarchy, and numerous people stepped forward to host a mirror. I also made copies of the site to two free webhosting companies and posted links in various newsgroups. Finally, on July 19 2003, two days after the takedown notice, the site was back up, hosted on several mirrors scattered around the Internet. So what have I learned from this experience? Well: 1. Spammers suck. They really, really suck. They are lower than snakes' bellies. They are nutcases with no morals, who need to take their meds more often. 2. Documenting spammers' antics does hurt them. After all, they wouldn't have come after me if my site had not been hurting them, right? 3. The international nature of the Internet is both a boon and a curse. You'll notice that the spammers are careful to only defame Americans. There isn't a single Brit on their paranoid listing of the "vast conspiracy" out to get them. That's because they know it's too expensive to file a cross-Atlantic lawsuit against them. On the other hand, that also protects those of us on this side of the pond from their lawsuits too. 4. Spammers are really, really, really stupid. I offered to take down evidence-eliminator-sucks.com for free. All they had to do was take all mention of me off their site. I mean, what do I care about what Windows losers get scammed out of? But no, they had to go off and hire a solicitor to spew out a cart00ney, and now it's too late for that: the site is now hosted on several servers scattered around the Internet, and I couldn't make the site go away now even if I wanted to. 5. Nobody, and I mean nobody, loves spammers. I got so many offers of mirrors for the site that I could have added two more (but stopped at three because my update script started getting slow, between updating those three and updating the tripod.com off-site mirror). Their EMAIL'ed complaints to the ISP of one of the mirror sites resulted in a warning from the abuse department at that ISP: said their abuse manager, "you're too easy on those spammers, you need to hit them harder! Considered yourself warned about the content of your site." What comes next? Well, I guess they sue me. I'm not looking forward to it. This whole situation is a distraction from my main chore right now -- looking for a new job (my employer laid off their entire U.S. workforce a few weeks ago). On the other hand, if they do so, you can bet I won't take it lying down. You mess with a Cajun boy from Louisiana, you better expect more of the same coming right back at you -- with interest. Considering that they've violated my copyright thousands of times by distributing my copyrighted photograph, somehow I think actually filing a lawsuit would be as stupid as anything else this particular bunch of spammer scammers has done. But then, who ever said spammers were smart? - Eric Lee Green, Phoenix, Arizona, July 20, 2003

Am I the only one who found this post confusing? (2)

lazyl (619939) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489855)

the constant harrassment of spammers has a price

Huh? Who's harrassing spammers?

You get a Cease and Desist letter- or more correctly, your ISP gets a C/D letter

Who gets a letter? The person harassing the spammer? I'm still confused.

But, if you're a hard core geek you just might get your site more notice as it gets mirrored out onto sympathetic hosts.

You'll get your site mirrored? Is that some sort or reward for harrassing the spammers? And what does being a "hard core geek" have to do with anything?

pr0pz to muh nigs in #GNAA (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6489858)

I teach OS concepts at a major college.

What I've experienced with Linux is thus.

It's for sure an inferior OS to UNIX and Windows because...

1)It's really hard to use
2)Not very stable
3)Has little real security

It's for sure dangerous to businesses and business computing in general because...

1)It's source code is basically stolen from others work.
2)It is free and has no market(money) driving it's development so therefore it's not good for the economy and the public interest in general
3)The philosophy behind the distribution of Linux is Un-American and more like communism.
This cannot be good for our country.
It allows terrorists just enough encryption and power to aid them in their efforts to KILL us.
4)The source is provided so ANYONE can create scripts and such to slam a linux system.

It's role should just be for teaching OS concepts.
In that role Linux is great. We use it in our classroom but I certainly explain to my students that it is not a real OS like Sun, SCO or Windows.
If a student writes in a paper in my class and lists Linux as one of the OS's that make up the major market then they get an F on that paper.
The reason is because Linux is not in the major Market it is in the minor market - the second rate
special purpose OS's. Linux is not general enough
to be considered an universal OS.

In it's current state Linux is not ready for primetime. It will never be until Linus Torvalds
does the following.

1) Settle disputes with the IP holder of UNIX (SCO).
2) Restricted source license.
3) Make it a TRUE commercail OS
4) Single source for distributing.(No SUSE, NO RH)

After a couple of years of that you will see
Linux become a first tier OS instead of a novelty
OS.

All I am saying is let's be realistic about what Linux is and is not.

I am in the middle of an experiment.
With the release of RH8 I decided to make it
my exclusive Desktop OS to do all my work on it
for one year.

I bought RH 8 when it came out and the thing I noticed was I had to do about 6 weeks of almost constant tweeking and refining and reinstalling
I finaly had it about 15% as productive as Windows 98! Think about that!
It is also much much slower that Windows98.
Even though I only load the absolutley minimum processes.

1)It is not faster than Windows
2)Does not manage memory better than NT or XP.
3)The GUI is much less stable and crashes much more than winNT, XP or 98.

These are just facts.

Wouldn't it be nice... (5, Funny)

Dark Lord Seth (584963) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489904)

... if someone wrote a nice piece of mass mailing software that would be free, look great, run fast, spam people like there's no tomorrow and available under a "free but get your paws of my source code" license? I mean, we don't want the spammers to be able to realize that their latest toy doesn't actually send anything and has more backdoors then a Win95 alpha version, now do we? And it automagically has to hook up to a webcam if available, so we can have a laugh as a spammer realizes all his computers are now hosting illegal crap like Britney/Nsync/Linkin Park MP3s, various bad Disney animations as MPGs and files like "SCO_Unixware_kernel.tar.gz" while a RIAA/MPAA APC drives his/her front window!

Bonus points if said program makes a AYB quote the moment the spammer is sued into the nine hells themselves!

At least they take their Slashdotting in style... (1)

TheMidget (512188) | more than 10 years ago | (#6489944)

Slashdotted!

Not available at the moment due to the Slashdot Effect. Will be back shortly as a (much faster) static page. Thank you for your patience.

new error page (5, Funny)

rutledjw (447990) | more than 10 years ago | (#6490000)

The page officially says:

"Slashdotted!

Not available at the moment due to the Slashdot Effect. Will be back shortly as a (much faster) static page. Thank you for your patience."

So should this be a new error message? I'm thinking 501 - Slashdot...

Here is the letter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6490008)

Here [evidence-e...-sucks.com]

Hey Eric Green, it's me Ben! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6490019)

Remember all those lovely chat sessions on msnbc.com's political bbs? They shut it down in an attempt to curb that nasty thing called speech.

There is no such thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6490105)

Oxymoron of the week.
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