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Australian Linux User Group Fights Back Against SCO

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the sounds-sensible dept.

The Courts 504

ashitaka writes "The Sydney Morning Herald is reporting that an Open Source group has gone on the offensive in response to SCO's latest demands that Linux users must buy a Unixware license to avoid any possible future unpleasantries. 'Open Source Victoria today filed a complaint with the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, asking it to investigate SCO's activities in light of 'unsubstantiated claims and extortive legal threats for money' against possibly hundreds of thousands of Australians.' I especially like the last bit: 'One feels that this whole fiasco is the IT industry equivalent of a Nigerian scam or internet extortion ploy.' Oh yeah.."

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Patriotism... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509070)

Aussie Aussie Aussie!! OI OI OI!!

Re:Patriotism... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509095)

What do we think of Open Source Victoria?

THEY'RE ALL RIGHT!

Re:Patriotism... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509172)

Aussie Aussie Aussie

OI! OI! OI!

Re:Patriotism... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509180)

AUSSIE

OI!

Re:Patriotism... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509258)

Aussie

OI!

Re:Patriotism... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509327)

You're not singing

You're not singing

You're not singing ANYMORE!

Patriotism Sux (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509189)

It leads to blind nationalism which can lead blindly into fascism.

Australia is no better than any other country.

Good job! (2, Redundant)

ultrabot (200914) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509071)

Expect to see more of this in the future! And more publicity these counterlawsuits get, the better...

Re:Good job! (5, Insightful)

ultrabot (200914) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509103)

... and before anyone starts whining, this is of course not technically a lawsuit (yet). But investigation by a public commission might be even better, as things there are not dictated simply by who's got the most money.

Someone (Mad Dog?) said that Linux and OSS are international treasures that should be protected, and government intervention might be just what we need. Obviously US government would never intervene (Bush & all), but there is hope that e.g. EU or Oz might have something to say.

Re:Good job! (4, Interesting)

phorm (591458) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509240)

e.g. EU or Oz

What about Canada? We use linux too eh?

Maybe somebody needs to go out and help dig up the various ways we can legally fight back against SCO et al. Various countries, various investigative bodies, various laws.... it's confusing. If somebody in the legal "know" gives us the options, then perhaps more groups will form together as an organized coalition again the "evils that be (tm)".

Yes, I already know about donating to the EFF, etc... but how about organized legal or political opposition? What are my options there

p.s. from experience I can say that Linux is gaining ground within various branches/sectors of the Canadian gov't... so perhaps they'd be more open-minded about such things?

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509075)

In your face, Professor Johansen!

STEEERIKE! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509107)

bahaha, no FP for you cockgobbler...

YOU SIR ARE A FAILURE (-1)

I POOP ON FAILURES! (685242) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509249)

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Good on yer Bruce!!! (-1, Offtopic)

advocate_one (662832) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509078)

About time too. Now to RTFA... :)

tsarkon reports Oh Fuck I shit myself at work! (-1, Offtopic)

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Welp. After about 8-10 minutes and two rolls of TP I'm back. I grabbed a can of Lysol and some anti bacterial soap and am spraying off my area and replacing the chair. I lost my keyboard in action; listed as KIA, by action of the South Colon Regular Army.

Oh fuck, that was a percolating brown festering quagmire of swampy, rhubarby smelly caramelized shit.

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The joke is on them. (2, Informative)

niko9 (315647) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509085)

I especially like the last bit: 'One feels that this whole fiasco is the IT industry equivalent of a Nigerian scam or internet extortion ploy.' Oh yeah.."

It would almost be funny if this whole mess were not true. sigh

Re:The joke is on them. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509236)

I got a few interesting pieces of spam today.

The first, "Your IP address is being broadcast to the entire world every time you use the Internet! Send us money!"
The second, "You are using Linux! Send us money!"
And apparently someone thinks my penis isn't long enough so I should pay them for that too.

Re:The joke is on them. (0, Offtopic)

Bush Pig (175019) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509328)

Hey, do you belong to the Short Penis and Small Breast Lodge too? Greetings, brother.

timmah!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509087)

CRIPPLEFIGHT!

Drunken Aussies (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509090)

Word has it that the complaint was aborted mid-argument, when the plaintiffs collapsed in a drunken stupor.

This is welcome news (5, Interesting)

harryk (17509) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509099)

This is truly welcome news. The community there is actually standing up, which, honestly, is more than I can say for the general LUGs here in the states. I am not referencing IBM, I know that they've got to keep quite until their day in court. But aside from the random ranting, I haven't read very much about Linux standing up against SCO. Understandably, there is little to defend, since SCO has been too vague.

Additionally, I really enjoy Linus' comments in his recent interview.

Good work guys!

Why bother standing up? (2, Interesting)

raehl (609729) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509167)

We all recognize that SCO is blowing hot air. Why not just ignore it? You get a nastygram from them, throw it out. There's no reason to prevent SCO from talking if no one is listening in the first place.

If SCO claims copyright infringement in the middle of a deserted forest, does the claim make a press release?

Standing up against SCO is important (5, Informative)

LinuxGeek (6139) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509201)

Because this is a battle of credibility at the moment. With no actual evidence on the loose, people will believe what appears to be the most credible information. The more people that fight and the fewer that roll over for SCO, the better it will be for the Linux community.

The more Linux groups fight back, the more the casual and business users will disregard the threats from SCO. The more dignified resistance we put forward, the more credibility the non-computer press will give us. I think this is great news coming in from Australia.

Re:Standing up against SCO is important (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509332)

Credibility? Oh yes, I can see a public battle for credibility between SCO and a LUG. On one side the television-trained Italian-suited lawyers, on the other a bunch of stammering virgins with bony girl arms, BO and bad haircuts. "Information wants to be free" shout the nerds. "You owe us $80 million, see you in the Supreme Court" smirk the lawyers. Nerds slink away, having realized that even showing up to fight it is going to cost everything they have and then some. Lawyers drive off in their Porsches chuckling.

You sweaty pear-shaped troglodytes are fucked and you know it. You thought you had some kind of reality distortion thing going where you could get an operating system for free - with high hopes that one day you would get a date and maybe get rid of the dandruff too. Lesson number one - nothing is free. Even Stallman lives on government grants and handouts - the parasite lives on our tax dollars!

The ACCC is now toothless - the new head, Graeme Samuel, is a political appointee of Peter Costello, the right-wing Liberal treasurer. (no, American idiots, right-wing Liberal is not a contradiction. "right-wing liberal" possibly.) Who will the favorite of the champion of free trade and economic rationalism side with? Hint - it won't be a gang of whining nerds who meet once a month in a public library for their Linux circle-jerk.

Even if the ACCC had some power - big deal! It's fucking AUSTRALIA! Do you know how important that is to 99% of companies actually using Linux - all 3 of them? It's not.

Re: Penguins defending their brethren... (0, Troll)

jkrise (535370) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509335)

Have you ever watched a colony of penguins under attack from a few seals or bears. Nary a protest, just a little noise, and the hapless prey is simply devoured by the predator.

I think that Penguin Apathy beautifully reflects the feelings of the Linux User Community. The only defence for the penguins is by their sheer numbers. I see your point - we need to stand up to SCO and tell them on their face: Get Lost, We've got Better things To DO!

But then, who exactly is gonna bell the cat? ESR, Linus, Bruce and RMS have spoken, but they aren't directly affected by the SCO extortion gang. Corporates can't stand up as a gang, since most of them use similar tactics that SCO does - hell, I'd bet many Corporates would love to be in the same position as SCO - pay a few million - pick up Copyright - blast everyone else with that weapon! Excellent business strategy, in their eyes.

The only group that can pick up cudgels against SCO would be the Linux User Groups, Firms that promote Linux - IBM, HPaq, Siemens, SGI, RedHat, SuSE etc.; orgs like the FSF EFF etc. None of the above would be directly targeted by SCO - you can be sure.

Sometime back my sig was:
Linux Users are Apathetic.
Windoze Users are Pathetic.

-

Re:Why bother standing up? (4, Insightful)

ultrabot (200914) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509211)

There's no reason to prevent SCO from talking if no one is listening in the first place.

On the contrary, a lot of people and companies are listening. If they are allowed to say anything they want, with nobody providing counterarguments, the unwashed will start believing that they are right.

I am almost happy that they are openly attacking Linux right now (it was bound to happen sooner or later). At least this forces everyone to wake up, instead of just ignoring the case as a contract issue between IBM and SCO.

Re:Why bother standing up? (5, Insightful)

LinuxGeek (6139) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509257)

Why not just ignore it? You get a nastygram from them, throw it out.
I have to respond again to add this:

If a lawsuit happy company contacts you directly, do not just 'throw it out', show it to a good lawyer. Since you are linking to college-paintball.com, it appears you may still be in college. That usually means a limited exposure to the Real World(tm), remember these important items.

- Any lawsuit can be bad news, even if you are right.
- Most good liars can convince judge and jury.
- A half-hearted defense looks like a guilty defense.

Re: Why bother standing up? (4, Insightful)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509303)


> We all recognize that SCO is blowing hot air. Why not just ignore it? You get a nastygram from them, throw it out.

Surely it will be a valuable collectors' item in a couple of years?

> There's no reason to prevent SCO from talking if no one is listening in the first place.

Problem is, they're not spouting this nonsense for the benefit of well informed geeks. They're either targeting clueless PHBs (kamakazi attack on Linux hypothesis) or else clueless suckers wanting to make a quick buck on the stock market (finance golden parachutes hypothesis), and those people are going to listen whether we do or not. Far better that we should listen carefully and then point out the bullshit very publicly.

Re:This is welcome news (5, Informative)

falonaj (615782) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509199)

But aside from the random ranting, I haven't read very much about Linux standing up against SCO.

In Germany, SCO was already stopped by a court to continue unproven claims about copyright violation in Linux - on the grounds of law against unfair/untruthful marketing.

If the Australians are successful with their complaints, then hopefully North Americans will be at last inspired to do similarly.

Here here (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509245)

Well said. There's an interesting comment along these lines over at Tubgirl tech archive [tubgirl.com]

I apologize ahead of time, but.. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509100)

A dingo ate my license! And, at their LUG meetings, do they serve Bloomin' Onions? Because if so, I'm moving there and joining.

Re:I apologize ahead of time, but.. (1)

Aussie (10167) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509135)

do they serve Bloomin' Onions?

What the hell is a "Bloomin' Onions" ? Some kind of cockney foodstuff ?
'cause it ain't Australian.

Re:I apologize ahead of time, but.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509143)

It's this great big fried onion thing. Here's a picture of one [outbacksteakhouse.co.jp] . Most people either love or hate the taste, not much in between.

Re:I apologize ahead of time, but.. (1)

cheese_boy (118027) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509188)

What the hell is a "Bloomin' Onions" ?

An appetizier at outback steakhouse [outbacksteakhouse.com] , a restaurant with an annoying "australian" theme and annoying radio ads.

recipe [allbaking.net] to make a similiar one yourself

Re:I apologize ahead of time, but.. (1)

Snoopy77 (229731) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509200)

Yeah, this little Aussie went to an 'Outback' Stakehouse and almost pissed himself laughing. The menu has absolutely nothing to do with Australia. It's still basically the same old stakehouse (we don't even call them stakehouses) with Aussie names.

Re:I apologize ahead of time, but.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509209)

Yup - looks like a pretty lame excuse for Aussie - not even any Tooheys or Penfolds on the beer/wine list, plus they're missing the Aussie Pizza - toast with grated cheese and vegemite : )

Re:I apologize ahead of time, but.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509212)

Well, they DO want to sell food.

Vegimite? (3, Funny)

phorm (591458) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509256)

Vegimite? I'm think that last time I heard they were using it to poison the rats.

All-in-all... I figure if aussies can eat the stuff (concentrated yeast extract, black... not overtly tasty though I found it tolerable) then they are a force to be reckoned with. Just sit on the SCO execs and force-feed them some until they come around...

"Good god, they enjoy this stuff??? They're not human!!! we repent... we repent!!!"

Re:I apologize ahead of time, but.. (1)

jasontheking (124650) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509273)

sort of... after the meeting when we go out for pizza, you might find onion on the pizzas.

At the meeting any food you can get has high amounts of caffiene in it :-) (penguin mints , hypermints, etc)

Re:I apologize ahead of time, but.. (1, Funny)

Bush Pig (175019) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509336)

We eat FUCKEN onions here pal, not bloomin' onions.

STOP THE OCCUPATION (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509118)

For years, the brutal French regime has held down us Corsicans!

When will the occupation stop?

The French have brutally inflicted their culture on our home in a cultural whitewashing reminicent of the NAZIS. Since the 1750s they have worked tirelessly to wipe out any remaining Corsician culture!

FRANCE OPPOSES OCCUPATION WHEN IT MAKES POLITICAL SENSE -- SUCH AS IN PALESTINE -- BUT USES THE SAME TACTICS AT HOME!

Boycott the FRENCH OCCUPATION! Burn, Eiffel, BURN!

To capture the authentic nature of this article (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509120)

listening to authentic Aussie digiridoos [curvedspaces.com] is recommended.

Bravo Ozzies!! (5, Insightful)

haruchai (17472) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509121)

I hope that they put the boots to SCO. Whatever their contributions to Linux as Caldera, this is flat-out extortion, built on as yet unsubstantiated accusations. All this to drive up their stock price and extort money from IBM. No matter what the outcome of this, I will never do business with any future incarnation of SCO ( let's hope there are none) nor with any company that their executives end up leading. I hope that the rest of the community remembers this for a long time to come.

Re:Bravo Ozzies!! (1)

blackwing0013 (680833) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509280)

Just saw your sig
We do not inherit the world from our parents; we borrow it from our children - Anonymous

As if the slashdot crowd has a spouse, what make you think they have children? ;)

Re: Bravo Ozzies!! (2, Insightful)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509315)


> I hope that they put the boots to SCO. Whatever their contributions to Linux as Caldera

These aren't even the same people. These are ambulance chasers who bought the body in hopes of suing on its behalf.

Well, if it's like the Nigerian "scam"... (4, Funny)

cliffy2000 (185461) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509128)

Then I'm all for it! I just collected my $23 million dollars from the Nigerian government last week! I mean, seriously, what is there not to believe about such an offer? Now I'm all in favor of SCO! Maybe they'll give me ANOTHER $23 million! So I can buy some overpriced movie tickets! Boo MPAA ! (+5 Anti-MPAA)

<obvious> (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509183)

request for urgent business relationship

first, i must solicit your strictest confidence in this transaction. this is by virtue of its non disclosure agreement as being utterly confidential and 'top secret'. i am sure and have confidence of your ability and reliability to prosecute a transaction of this great magnitude involving a pending transaction requiring maxiimum confidence.

we are top official of the sco group executive panel who are interested in imporation of money into our bank account because of intellectual property which are presently trapped in linux. in order to commence this business we solicit your assistance to enable us transfer into our account your said licensing funds.

the source of this intellectual property is as follows; during the last decade here, the ibm officials set up linux and incorporated various technologies which are the property of sco. the present sco executive board set up an intellectual property panel and we have identified a lot of infringing lines of code which are presently floating in the linux kernel.

however, by virtue of our complete and total lack of any evidence or a legal leg to stand on, we cannot acquire this money through the courts. i have therefore, been delegated as a matter of trust by my colleagues of the panel to harass and threaten with lawsuits linux users from whose account we would transfer the sum of us$21,320,000.00(twenty one million, three hundred and twenty thousand u.s dollars) in unixware licensing fees. hence we are writing you this letter. we have agreed to share the money thus; 1. 0% for the licensee 2. 100% for us 3. and maybe we won't sue you later.

please,note that this transaction is 100% safe and we hope to commence the transfer latest seven (7) banking days from the date of the receipt of the following informatiom by tel/fax; 234-1-7740449, your company's signed, and stamped letterhead paper the above information will enable us write letters of claim and job description respectively. this way we will not sue you for using the linux operating system.

we are looking forward to doing this business with you and solicit your confidentiality in this transation. please acknowledge the receipt of this letter using the above tel/fax numbers. i will send you detailed information of this pending project when i have heard from you.

yours faithfully,

ceo daryl mcbride

note; please quote this reference number (ve/s/09/99) in all your responses.

Even if SCO proscuted them... (-1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509130)

What difference would it make?! Australia is a *prison colony*. What are they trying to accomplish?

Re:Even if SCO proscuted them... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509214)

australia was a colony of british criminals and outcasts.
america was a colony of british outcasts and criminals.

Re:Even if SCO proscuted them... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509296)

Australia may have been a prison colony ... but atleast it was not founded by a bunch of 'wanna be' aristocrats who built there fortunes on the back of African slavery ...

Many hands make light work (5, Interesting)

arvindn (542080) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509131)

Just like many eyeballs make bugs shallow, the distributed nature of the community could work to our advantage here. If we fought them separately in each country, we would be fighting from a position of strength, wouldn't we (not to imply that we aren't already...) Just a thought.

BTW, /. should probably stop posting SCO stories every few hours and have a "Weekly SCO digest" feature (or "SCOback" like slashback) or something like that.

Nah, but make sure it's actual news! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509170)

Slashdot should continue to post news about the SCO-affair, but it should be actual news, not the story five posts down but with a new headline.

Re:Many hands make light work (1)

flacco (324089) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509278)

Just like many eyeballs make bugs shallow, the distributed nature of the community could work to our advantage here.


A bunch of little lawsuits would force them to reveal the "stolen" code piece by piece.

Buisiness Plan (3, Funny)

patch-rustem (641321) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509133)

From the article:
"They're basically saying 'you owe use money'. But if someone asks 'why do I owe you money', they reply, "we can't tell you why, but you have to pay us anyway'," he said.
so that's:

1 you owe us
2 why?
3 ?
4 Profit

These SCO guys are really [uklinux.net] onto something.

Man. (0, Redundant)

AntiOrganic (650691) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509136)

When all the trade commissions of the world are done with SCO, it's going to be one guy buried up to his neck and covered in Brazilian army ants marching aimlessly about his body consuming his delectably tasty flesh. Or maybe I'm thinking of someone else.

A Genteel Confrontation. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509138)

MR. MCBRIDE. Lads, in the previous weeks, I have made vicious accusations and threats against you! Now, I demand that you pay me a large sum of money! If you do not, I shall make further outlandish threats!

AUSTRALIAN LADS. Sir, this is unacceptable! If you do not desist immediately, we shall take action of our own! So stop, sir, or we shall file a complaint immediately!

[[MR. MCBRIDE makes further outlandish threats.]]

[[AUSTRALIAN LADS file a complaint.]]

- Exeunt -

IN SOVIET RUSSIA.... (2, Funny)

raehl (609729) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509142)

SCO posts numerous redundant articles about Slashdot.

Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA.... (3, Funny)

nathanh (1214) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509226)

Nah, in Soviet Russia there's even Mo' Sco than on Slashdot.

Breaking news (5, Funny)

Rude Awakening (691567) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509147)

More news from the SCO front: Recent revelations that SCO copyrights did not extend to the NUMA, SMP and RCU code in Linux has lead to a new copyright audit by SCO's legal team to investigate the copyright status of Synchronous Queue Utilization Auto Tracking code (SQUAT).

"It appears from our latest audit that we may not have aquired SQUAT when we purchased AT&T's System V code."

When asked how this would effect SCO's plan to license the Linux kernel, "We never really believed that SQUAT had been copied from the UnixWare source code into Linux, so the fact that we don't own SQUAT has little bearing on our plans to sell Linux kernel licensing"

File an SEC complaint (5, Insightful)

kuwan (443684) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509150)

I suggest that those of us that live in the US do the same and file a complaint with the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC).

You can file online here [sec.gov] .

Re:File an SEC complaint (4, Informative)

slobarnuts (666254) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509233)

actually i dont think america has any particular agency like the ACCC. Its a consumer/business watchdog. They also have anti-trust powers. The closest we have is the broad agency called the DOJ

I think

Re:File an SEC complaint (1)

smokeslikeapoet (598750) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509305)

I don't think the SEC would really care. They deal with internal corporate practices as they relate to the purchase and sale of stocks and bonds. I believe you meant the FTC [ftc.gov] Please see my post below (threaded view) for a direct link to their complaint form. I've already filed one.

Article text (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509151)


Open source group files complaint against SCO

By Sam Varghese
July 23 2003

An open source grouping has gone on the offensive against the SCO Group after the latter told companies using Linux to pay up or else face liability for running the open source operating system.

Open Source Victoria today filed a complaint with the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, asking it to investigate SCO's activities in light of "unsubstantiated claims and extortive legal threats for money" against possibly hundreds of thousands of Australians.

OSV member Con Zymaris said "We take serious issue with The SCO Group's latest ploy, namely that of seeking licence fees from Linux users. As such, we have filed a complaint with the ACCC. We call on any Australian Linux users who feel pressured by SCO's actions to immediately contact the ACCC and file a complaint. You can do this online."

Zymaris said that with its latest move, SCO had crossed the line. "They're basically saying 'you owe use money'. But if someone asks 'why do I owe you money', they reply, "we can't tell you why, but you have to pay us anyway'," he said.

In March, SCO filed a billion-dollar lawsuit against IBM, alleging the latter had included SCO's Unix code in the Linux kernel. SCO also claimed that Linux was an unauthorised derivative of Unix and warned commercial Linux users that they could be legally liable for violation of intellectual copyright. SCO later expanded its claims against IBM to US$3 billion in June when SCO said it had withdrawn IBM's licence for its own Unix, AIX.

Another OSV member Andrew Pam said the organisation believed there may be a case to answer on the issue of "misrepresentation of need", where an organisation was suggesting that people must make payments that they were not obligated to make.

Pam said: "All of the Linux operating system has been released as Open Source software. We want to remind the IT industry that by definition, there are absolutely no licence fees payable on Free and Open Source Software. Anyone who claims that licence fees are required for Linux is deliberately misleading and confusing the public."

Zymaris said SCO's recent registration of copyright to the legacy Unix System V source code, on which SCO already claims copyright, in no way affected Linux. "Copyright registration is a simple filing procedure which merely formally registers a claim and does not in any way constitute proof of ownership," he said.

"SCO has yet to prove its claims of the existence of any disputed source in the Linux codebase. Linux was written from scratch by a global community of free software volunteers and IT corporations.

"We believe that SCO will find it extremely difficult to cement their claims in court, and until they do, they are spreading fear to extract money from innocent users. We believe this is unethical and possibly illegal in Australia."

Zymaris said that even if SCO could show that any Unix System V source code was present in the Linux kernel (and was not intentionally contributed by SCO's own staff) SCO could not absolve itself as for the past few months, it had been publishing all such code publicly under the GNU Public License.

"This releases all supposedly disputed code from any additional encumbrances from SCO, meaning that all users can use Linux with impunity. Through their insistence on withholding public disclosure of any worthwhile evidence in this case, The SCO Group are leaving an impression that they have no such evidence," Zymaris. said. "One feels that this whole fiasco is the IT industry equivalent of a Nigerian scam or internet extortion ploy."

OSV is an industry cluster, not a users group (5, Informative)

cyanide (5741) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509152)

From the website:

"OSV is a marketing, advocacy and focus group, which aims to raise the profile of Open Source Software (OSS) in Victoria."

Re:OSV is an industry cluster, not a users group (1)

jasontheking (124650) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509204)

That's true , but there's a bunch of members of OSV who are in the local user group(s) anyway , so its not a big deal.

OSV can concentrate on evangelism for companies and other groups , and the LUGs can concentrate on helping their members.

Evil! (5, Insightful)

urbanbrian (691670) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509157)

SCO..
Microsoft..
DirecTV..
MPAA/RIAA..

Did I miss something? Is this the Chinese "Year of the Evil Corperation"? Is modern business even legitimate business anymore? When did the underlying ethic behind fair competition become, "Enlist your friends, sue your enemies"?

Maybe if we stuck all SCO/Microsoft/MPAA/RIAA/etc's lawyers in a Monty Python worthy blender, grinding them into a fine red (or black, as some might claim) paste, we'd have enough environmentally friendly biodegradable waste to restore a rainforest somewhere.

Finally, a practical use for lawyers..

Re:Evil! (1)

fireman sam (662213) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509207)

SCO kind of reminds me of the "Legitimate" businessmens club...

And I can picture "representives" from each business sitting in a dark, smoke filled room lit by a single lightbulb suspended above the table.

As the head of the organisation, the Microsoft representative welcomes everyone to the meeting and then introducing the newest member to the "family"; SCO.

Re:Evil! (-1, Offtopic)

Eric Ass Raymond (662593) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509243)

Mr. Wiggin:
Good morning, gentlemen.

Clients:
Good morning.

Mr. Wiggin:
This is a 12-story block combining classical neo-Georgian features with the efficiency of modern techniques. The tenants arrive here and are carried along the corridor on a conveyor belt in extreme comfort, past murals depicting Mediterranean scenes, towards the rotating knives. The last twenty feet of the corridor are heavily soundproofed. The blood pours down these chutes and the mangled flesh slurps into these...

Client 1:
Excuse me.

Mr. Wiggin:
Yes?

Client 1:
Did you say 'knives'?

Mr. Wiggin:
Rotating knives, yes.

Client 2:
Do I take it that you are proposing to slaughter our tenants?

Mr. Wiggin: ...Does that not fit in with your plans?

Client 1:
Not really. We asked for a simple block of flats.

Mr. Wiggin:
Oh. I hadn't fully divined your attitude towards the tenants.
You see I mainly design slaughter houses.

Clients:
Ah.

Mr. Wiggin:
Pity.

Clients:
Yes.

Mr. Wiggin:
(indicating points of the model)
Mind you, this is a real beaut. None of your blood caked on the walls and flesh flying out of the windows incommoding the passers-by with this one.
(confidentially)
My life has been leading up to this.

Client 2:
Yes, and well done, but we wanted an apartment block.

Mr. Wiggin:
May I ask you to reconsider.

Clients:
Well...

Mr. Wiggin:
You wouldn't regret this. Think of the tourist trade.

Client 1:
I'm sorry. We want a block of flats, not an abattoir.

Mr. Wiggin: ...I see. Well, of course, this is just the sort of blinkered philistine pig-ignorance I've come to expect from you non-creative garbage. You sit there on your loathsome spotty behinds squeezing blackheads, not caring a tinker's cuss for the struggling artist. You excrement, you whining hypocritical toadies with your colour TV sets and your Tony Jacklin golf clubs and your bleeding masonic secret handshakes. You wouldn't let me join, would you, you blackballing bastards. Well I wouldn't become a Freemason now if you went down on your lousy stinking knees and begged me.

Client 2:
We're sorry you feel that way, but we did want a block of flats, nice though the abattoir is.

Year of the Sheep (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509306)

It's actually the year of the sheep (explanation here) [thefengshu...ancy.co.uk]

FTC complaints? (4, Interesting)

smokeslikeapoet (598750) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509158)

Maybe U.S. users should start taking the same action. Would the FTC listen? [ftc.gov]

Re:FTC complaints? (4, Interesting)

Hanno (11981) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509299)

In fact, the FTC accepts international complaints about US companies, as well. I just filed mine against SCO. :-)


Subject of Your Complaint: Investment
Name of Company You Are Complaining About: The SCO Group
Street Address: 355 South 520 West, Suite 100
City: Lindon
State or Canadian Province: Utah
Country: UNITED STATES
Zip Code or Postal Code: 84042
Company Web Site: http://www.sco.com
Phone Number: (801)7654999 Ext.

Explain Your Problem:

SCO is under new management which is currently engaging in a scheme that appears to be an elaborate "pump & dump" scam.

I urge the FTC to investigate recent stock market events and related SCO press releases and SCO legal threats against Linux users.

Thank you.

Don't piss off the Aussies SCO... (3, Funny)

canning (228134) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509164)

You could be heading for a booting.

Re:Don't piss off the Aussies SCO... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509279)

"Disparaging the boot is a bootable offense." Mandatory Simpson quote.

Listen up, kiddies! (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509169)

Whichever one of you fuckies is DOS attacking irc.freenode.net, STOP IT! God damn little fucking cocksuckers!

If you people want to DOS something, take on SCO. They are deserving of such pummelling.

Re:Listen up, kiddies! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509300)

Dear Moderator, may I ask you a quick question regarding the moderation you have chosen for the parent post?

> If you people want to DOS something, take on SCO. They are deserving of such pummelling.

Since the parent does clearly discuss SCO and punitative actions against them, and since the story is about taking punitative actions against SCO, could you please explain to me HOW IN THE LIVING *FUCK* THE PARENT IS OFF-TOPIC!?

w00t 4 Oz! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509175)

Give 'Em the Boot!

Global SCOresheet... (4, Funny)

jkrise (535370) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509176)

US : Lots of noise, only 3 sane voices so far. ESR, RMS, Linus. Okay, Bruce.
Germany: LinuxTAG kicks SCO, gets injunction.
Australia: Fightback - no FUD please, we're Aussies.
New Zealand: InstallFest proceeds smoothly despite arm twisting from big gorillas.
Poland: Injunction.
India : Please use OpenSource (President of India)
Japan : Consortium of Electronics firms pledge to adopt Linux. Bride's personal visit futile.
UK : Refer US, above.
France: Do the French use computers?

Please fill up for remaining countries....

-

Re:Global SCOresheet... (1)

TheMidget (512188) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509202)

France: Do the French use computers?

Yes, they do [libertycomputers.com] .

Re:Global SCOresheet... forgot China (2, Funny)

jkrise (535370) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509217)

China: If you see SCO and SARS, kill SCO first.

-

Re:Global SCOresheet... (1)

Panoramix (31263) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509232)

US : Lots of noise, only 3 sane voices so far. ESR, RMS, Linus. Okay, Bruce.

Just nitpicking here. Shouldn't Linus be counted under Finland?

In his place, I'd put professor Eben Moglen [slashdot.org] , from Columbia Law School. A really together guy.

Re:Global SCOresheet...japan (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509264)

Japan : Consortium of Electronics firms pledge to adopt Linux.

Not only that, the Japanese government [yahoo.com] is somewhat in favor of Linux.
In a decade-long recession, they are steadily shifting from costly proprietary to open source. It is amazing as the Japanese bureaucrats are generally the most conservative idiots in the universe.

Canada Is Taking the Fifth (4, Interesting)

ratfynk (456467) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509311)

Living next door to a country that mostly dictates our economic policy, and the interpretation of our business law, is like sleeping next to an elephant. You hope it hasn't eaten too much green grass, and that it doesn't roll over on you. We have a regular habit of putting up with excrement from south of the border so it doesn't matter what we think. We wind up going along with the situation. The only company that is benefiting from this fiaSCO in Canada is Microsoft. By the legalised theft of good ideas by leveraging their OS to work better with their office and communication software, Microsoft have successfully modeled their business relationships on corporate despotism. Almost a Conquistador style conquor and plunder of the competition. As such Microsoft software in Canada has become like a business religion. YOU USE IT OR YOU DO NOT GET WORK, plain and simple, there is no choice.

From what I see and hear in computer stores everyone is hedging that Unix, SCO and IBM will self distruct and take Linux and open source with it. Such is the business attitude in Canada, they are all good MS sales people and will not rock the boat even if it sinks. The situation has become so monopolistic that it stinks.

Re: Global SCOresheet... (5, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509330)


> France: Do the French use computers?

Yes, they just call them something else.

I would if I did (4, Interesting)

Kris_J (10111) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509186)

We call on any Australian Linux users who feel pressured by SCO's actions to immediately contact the ACCC and file a complaint.
As an Australian Linux user I must say that I don't feel so pressured.

Meanwhile, on Monday the company where I work received two fake "renew your domain" letters. Welcome to the modern business world...

This is what I sent (5, Informative)

nihilogos (87025) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509187)

You can file a complaint supporting OSV at http://www.accc.gov.au/about/fs-contact.htm - look for the complaint form.

Dear Sir / Madam

As the representative of a small business (XXXXXX) I am writing to support a recent complaint filed by the Open Source Victoria regarding the actions of the SCO Group.

SCO is making unspecific and unsubstantiated claims that it owns copyright pertaining to the Linux PC operating system. It is asking any companies using Linux to purchase licences or face the threat of legal action.

Would you please investigate the claims that SCO is making so that small businesses and other companies are not pressured into making unwarranted payments.

Sincerely,

Tomorrow's news headline (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509197)

Change of strategy-
SCO's Darl McBride states that Linux users in Australia and Germany are indemnified from potential litigation at this moment. McBride, in his trademark bold manner of speech, continues, "cuz they are all good folks, ya'know."

Anyone? (2, Insightful)

Karem Lore (649920) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509198)

Anyone know the European equivalent of the competition and consumer office? Is there an online complaint form that I can use?

Thanks,
Karem

The fake invoice scam (4, Interesting)

panurge (573432) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509206)

SCO increasingly reminds me of the fake invoice scam. The one in which you get an invoice for your entry in a "Trade directory", the idea being that many corporations cannot be bothered to reconcile invoices to orders for invoices under, say, $100. Having realised that IBM is not simply going to buy them at an inflated share price to make them go away(using FUD to try and boost the share price) SCO then proceeds to this type of scam which has the advantage that if anyone decides to pay, you can write a contract which makes it legal (include a clause that if SCO is found not to have IP rights, they will refund the licence money).

I conclude that SCOs next step will be to write to Microsoft explaining that they have a large amount of IP tied up in a foreign software product but are unable to get it out themselves. In exchange for 15% of their share capital...oh wait, they already did that. I guess it's going to be buying Utah politicians and going round selling "insurance" against your server being ripped out of the rack and thrown out the window next.

SCO buys out Vultus Web App Co (3, Interesting)

jobsagoodun (669748) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509234)

See lazy zdnet press release regurgitation [zdnet.co.uk]

Anyone else noticed this Vultus company is a Canopy funded company too? They hang out in one of SCO's buildings. Check their website [vultus.com] especially this picture! [vultus.com]

Question: Who owns/funds ZDnet & the like?

Excellent. (3, Informative)

pb (1020) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509242)

It's about time someone called a spade a spade [reference.com] . Now to do the same thing in the US [usdoj.gov] ...

In Australia (5, Funny)

hayden (9724) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509261)

We call a spade a fscking shovel mate.

Re:In Australia (1)

pspeed (12169) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509309)

Am I the only geek that knows that a spade and a shovel are two different gardening tools?

Ahhh! Libel! (2, Funny)

Daniel Baumgarten (645894) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509247)

SCO Seeks Lawsuit Against College of Optometry BY DANIEL BAUMGARTEN (MISINFORMATION, LTD.) MEMPHIS, TN 12:41 AM EDT - Caldera, otherwise known as SCO, has announced today that in addition to filing a lawsuit with IBM/Linux for violating its intellectual property rights, it will now be looking for monetary damages from the Southern College of Optometry for trademark infringement. "I really don't think (SCO) has a well-founded argument," commented William E. Cochran, O.D., president of the Southern College of Optometry, in an interview. "Just because we're both called SCO doesn't make it trademark infringement. I've spoken with my lawyers on this one." SCO, which is a registered trademark of the Lindon, Utah-based computer company, is also in the URL of the Southern College of Optometry's Web site (http://www.sco.edu/). SCO senior vice president Jeff Hunsaker stated in a brief press conference that "this Web address is a legitimate violation of SCO intellectual property rights. The misleading nature of the URL draws potential customers away from our Web site and instead encourages them to enroll in an optometry school." When asked how a school of optometry threatened SCO's business, Hunsaker replied, "We're just looking out in the best interest of our shareholders." Dr. Cochran issued a public announcment shortly thereafter encouraging SCO to challenge the California State Controller's Office (http://www.sco.ca.gov/) in a federal court of law on similar charges to those being pressed on the Southern College of Optometry. Mr. Hunsaker declined to comment in reply to Dr. Cochran's announcment.

Ahhh! Libel! (non-sucky version) (2, Funny)

Daniel Baumgarten (645894) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509255)

whoops! Forgot BR tags.

SCO Seeks Lawsuit Against College of Optometry

BY DANIEL BAUMGARTEN (MISINFORMATION, LTD.)

MEMPHIS, TN 12:41 AM EDT - Caldera, otherwise known as SCO, has announced today that in addition to filing a lawsuit with IBM/Linux for violating its intellectual property rights, it will now be looking for monetary damages from the Southern College of Optometry for trademark infringement.

"I really don't think (SCO) has a well-founded argument," commented William E. Cochran, O.D., president of the Southern College of Optometry, in an interview. "Just because we're both called SCO doesn't make it trademark infringement. I've spoken with my lawyers on this one."

SCO, which is a registered trademark of the Lindon, Utah-based computer company, is also in the URL of the Southern College of Optometry's Web site (http://www.sco.edu/). SCO senior vice president Jeff Hunsaker stated in a brief press conference that "this Web address is a legitimate violation of SCO intellectual property rights. The misleading nature of the URL draws potential customers away from our Web site and instead encourages them to enroll in an optometry school."

When asked how a school of optometry threatened SCO's business, Hunsaker replied, "We're just looking out in the best interest of our shareholders."

Dr. Cochran issued a public announcment shortly thereafter encouraging SCO to challenge the California State Controller's Office (http://www.sco.ca.gov/) in a federal court of law on similar charges to those being pressed on the Southern College of Optometry.

Mr. Hunsaker declined to comment in reply to Dr. Cochran's announcment.

Re:Ahhh! Libel! (non-sucky version) (1)

usotsuki (530037) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509284)

>:[=

I hate companies that exist only to litigate.

STEAMROLL THE FSCKERS!!!

That should teach those mofos not to play games with the law.

-uso.

2nd country (1)

sniggly (216454) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509266)

The ozzies hopefully follow a German court's decision [eweek.com] on this matter last may.

Does anyone have a followup on that story? It seems only logical to put a restraining order on anyone or anything that tries what appears to be blackmail or extortion.

If you hate SCO, show it publically (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6509268)

SCO SUCKS [geekprodigy.com] Button by GeekProdigy

In Australia (1, Offtopic)

dmiller (581) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509274)

I love Australia. We manage to get organised about insipid and vexacious cases about software but are apathetic about real issues: the copyright amendment act (DMCA), anti-terrorist leglislation (PATRIOT), the continual incarceration of asylum seekers in desert gulags, etc, etc. Maybe it is because we have a chance against SCO whereas our governments (state and federal, both sides of politics) are utterly unresponsive.

URGENT REPLY REQUESTED (5, Funny)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | more than 11 years ago | (#6509275)

FROM: Mr. Darl McBride

A close business friend has given me you electonique address for communication as I have PRESSING CIRCUMSTANCES that require your assistence.
You see, I Mr. Darl McBride Esq. have a sum of US $100,000,000,000,000.00 due to me but can not on my own acquire these outstanding funds. You see I am the PRIME MINSTER OF CALDERA IP and as you may know have been DRIVEN INTO EXILE by IBM and their TYRRANICAL LINUX CONSPIRATORS AGAINST OUR SOVERIEGN NATION. Our matter of greatest importance demands that WE SEEK YOUR HELP. In return for assisting me, I will provide you 30% of the US $100,000,000,000,000.00 (US $30,000,000,000,000.00), all you need to do is provide me with your bank account number, a fascimile of your SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER, VALID DRIVERS LICENSE OR ID and CONSENT TO OUR NDA and LICENSING AGREEMENT.
YOU SEE, YOU HAVE MUCH TO GAIN and I trust and pray that you will provide us the assistence we require in this time of need.
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