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Digitized Gutenberg Bible Available

simoniker posted about 11 years ago | from the bible-named-after-electronic-book-collection dept.

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Prince_Ali writes "A digital copy of the Gutenburg Bible, the first major Western book printed from movable type, has been made available by The University of Texas, available through the Harry Ransom Humanities Research Center. The Ransom Center's copy of the Bible is claimed to be the finest in the world, and is now freely available to anyone who would like to examine it. More information can be found via this CNN.com article."

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Easy Now (5, Funny)

l810c (551591) | about 11 years ago | (#6518573)

/.ing this site is blasphemous.

Re:Easy Now (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518678)

ZOT!

Re:Easy Now (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518698)

So, /.ing is blasphemous, but forcing an alterboy to suck your cock isn't?

Christian, Catholicker ... same thing.

YOU SUCCEED IT! (-1, Offtopic)

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Re:gnaa representation (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518682)

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Hey. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518768)

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Yes, that was some bold in italics.

regardless of religion.... (4, Insightful)

sweeney37 (325921) | about 11 years ago | (#6518575)

wow, who would of thought the ability to see this work of art is as rare today as when it was first printed.

it's a very breathtaking and wonderful object to view.

Mike

Re:regardless of religion.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518802)

Would HAVE, you fucking waste of space. How much since does WOULD OF make? You're grammar sucks shit; I can't stand people who can't even be bothered to re-read what their writing to make sure it makes since.

ASSHOLE.

Props to UT (2, Offtopic)

Valar (167606) | about 11 years ago | (#6518581)

UT is my school. It is waaay underrated as a geek school. It's the #5 engineering school in the country, but no one ever mentions it. They have a lot of projects like this going (plus way geekier ones, like the robot soccer team that recently won a championship, the mechanical engineer's indy car team, and petrol's rig in the basement thing). Hook 'em horns.

Re:Props to UT (1)

kaltkalt (620110) | about 11 years ago | (#6518600)

Ditto. Not only is UT a great engineering school, but austin is a great tech town.

Re:Props to UT (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518666)

"UT is my school. It is waaay underrated as a geek school. It's the #5 engineering school in the country, but no one ever mentions it."

Supposedly also one of the Top 10 CS schools in the USA, with a recent departmental reorganization dedicated to moving it up to a Top 5 school.

Also, I think some of the sub-fields in its CS graduate program are already supposedly Top 5 programs.

And a very low 4554013 Quotient for the CS faculty, too.
See department info at http://www.cs.utexas.edu/ [utexas.edu] , especially the research areas [utexas.edu] .

BTW, the HRC also has lots of geeky stuff in addition to famous bibles, such as a collection of fantasy and science fiction [utexas.edu] . I don't think you can just walk in and browse the collection, though.

Re:Props to UT (5, Interesting)

Shamashmuddamiq (588220) | about 11 years ago | (#6518732)

...tell me, have you ever been anywhere else? UT is good, but compared to dozens of other great sci/eng schools around the nation, it's just another engineering school. I myself have attended and taught at several engineering universities that had programs rated higher than UT's (though I don't place too much import on the ratings), and although I never strictly attended UT Austin, I lived in Austin for a year and spent quite a bit of time at the university.

It's a good thing to have school pride, but don't let it run away with you. UT Austin gets the recognition it deserves (e.g., it's rated highly, etc.). However, the tendency of Texans to give themselves too much credit for stuff like this is all too common, and is a turn-off to the rest of the nation and to those who come to visit. Listing a couple of obscure accomplishments and mentioning that it's "waaay underrated" is only going to invite deign laughter from those in positions similar to mine.

Just letting you know...you may mod me down now.

Christianity and the Gutenberg Bible (2, Insightful)

Dancin_Santa (265275) | about 11 years ago | (#6518585)

The Gutenberg Bible is definitely a work of art and a historical treasure, but as a study Bible it falls quite short.

To begin with it's all in Latin. Seeing as how Latin is not quite the popular language as it used to be, it is doubtful that a student would be understanding the nuances and meanings of the GB.

Also, it is simply not available to the general public. While this digitization of it goes a long way to providing easier access to the book, it remains largely inaccessible to those who live in foreign countries without easy access to Internet (those who would probably best be served by having Bible access).

Finally, the Gutenberg Bible does not have an easily accessible concordance. There is a lot of cross referencing that needs to be done to truly understand the teachings of the Bible and the fact that Gutenberg Bible owners won't let you touch the things, much less write in the margins, means that you are pretty much hamstrung as far as study goes.

If you are truly serious about studying the Bible as a living book, and not as a museum piece, then pick up a New King James or NIV version. These are easily readable and accurately reflect centuries of scholarship.

Re:Christianity and the Gutenberg Bible (-1, Troll)

nickgrieve (87668) | about 11 years ago | (#6518604)

those who would probably best be served by having Bible access

You must be fucking kidding me...

Let me re-word that...

those who would probably best be served by growing as a secular nation free from the poison that is Christianity (or any religion for that matter)

Re:Christianity and the Gutenberg Bible (0, Flamebait)

xagon7 (530399) | about 11 years ago | (#6518631)

How about freedom to worship as we wish. Christions are now the minority in this country. Shut the fuck up.

Re:Christianity and the Gutenberg Bible (-1, Troll)

nickgrieve (87668) | about 11 years ago | (#6518646)

"Christions are now the minority in this country"

best news I have had all day, thank you.

Re:Christianity and the Gutenberg Bible (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518720)

I assume you are writing from Liberia?

NIV version?? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518607)

The New Internation Version Version? You fucking dipshit.

Do you say PIN number as well? ATM machine?

Re:NIV version?? (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | about 11 years ago | (#6518626)

I started to read that as Nine Inch .. Vails?

Re:Christianity and the Gutenberg Bible (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518618)

"then pick up a New King James or NIV version. These are easily readable and accurately reflect centuries of scholarship"

If by "accurately reflect" you mean "totally bastardized over time" then yes, you are correct

if you are truly serious you'll go for the source...

The source? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518628)

Latin? Nuh-uh.

Re:The source? (5, Informative)

Brian Knotts (855) | about 11 years ago | (#6518651)

No. Not Latin. It ("The source") would be Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic.

Re:Christianity and the Gutenberg Bible (4, Insightful)

Skyshadow (508) | about 11 years ago | (#6518758)

if you are truly serious you'll go for the source...

If you're truly serious, you'll find that the exact words are unimportant if you're able to understand their intent. That's what the NIV Bible is trying to accomplish (although I don't agree with their results, but that's another matter). This ain't easy, however -- it generally requires a pretty good understanding of the era in which the sources were written, the sorts of mythology from which certain portions are lifted or evolved from, etc.

It seems to me that adherants to western religions are stymied by their need for a literal instruction manual to their faith. It tends to lead to less of an appreciation of the nuances of their beliefs and bogs them down in the literal interpretations, many of which were originally intended to be metaphors to begin with.

It's odd that the progression in the Axial Age moved from what I'd consider the "best" take on religion -- Buddhism, which stresses the style of thinking and individual pursuit of enlightenment versus attachment to single interpretations -- to Christianity to Islam, which is the worst offender in terms of demanding literal interpretation (since the Koran is supposed to be the end-all-be-all Word directly from the Big Guy's mouth).

I suspect that literal, close-to-source literature is attractive to a lot of people because it's easy. "God created heaven and earth, here's what he wants you to do" is a lot easier than approaches to spirituality which demand that you figure a lot out on your own.

Re:Christianity and the Gutenberg Bible (5, Insightful)

kongjie (639414) | about 11 years ago | (#6518634)

Where did someone suggest that the digitized images were meant as a "study bible"? This is a museum piece, that's the whole point, but it's a museum piece with much greater access now.

Even the average Latin student is not going to be able to read those digitized images or even the actual pages, given the typography.

Cross-referencing does not have to be done in the margins of a book. Do you know how many in-depth studies of texts are done in rare book rooms? Without drawing on the books?

If nothing else, making the GB more available will teach the average huckleberry that the bible wasn't written in english, lol.

Write in the margins?! (2, Insightful)

Raul654 (453029) | about 11 years ago | (#6518643)

Are you insane? This is probably one of the most valueable books in existance - there are only like 3 fully intact ones surviving.

Re:Write in the margins?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518688)

RTFA! There is in fact 21 intact.

But I have to agree that writing in the margins doesn't seem like a great idea.

How about we draw in little pictures too while we're at it?

Minor mistake (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518764)

I read that number somewhere - I didn't pull it out of thin air. Someone else pointed out, probably saving my sanity, that there are 3 intact copies *in the US*. So the number was right, I just forgot one of the details :)

Re:Write in the margins?! (4, Informative)

tinrobot (314936) | about 11 years ago | (#6518694)

Actually, 48 out of a print run of approximately 200, to be exact.

Not a bad survival ratio, actually.

Re:Write in the margins?! (2, Informative)

Mikey-San (582838) | about 11 years ago | (#6518771)

Still wrong. He said "fully intact", and there are only twenty-one complete copies in the entire world. From the site:

"It is one of forty-eight surviving copies and one of twenty-one complete copies in the world."

Re:Write in the margins?! RTFA (2, Interesting)

AndroidCat (229562) | about 11 years ago | (#6518725)

According to the Ransom Center, only about 200 were produced and only 48 copies exist today
The neat thing is that each copy is unique because each was illuminated by hand.
The Texas Gutenberg was used in monasteries in southern Germany as late as the 1760s. It was marked up by monks who scratched out some passages and corrected others. Other markings indicate which sections were to be read aloud or reserved for church services.
Heh, wouldn't want anyone to accidently read the parts that you're not supposed to read during services. (Reminds me of the Canadian Criminal Code. Lawyers have special expensive annotated copies with all the juicy stuff explaining what it really means.)

Re:Write in the margins?! (5, Informative)

jmauro (32523) | about 11 years ago | (#6518727)

There are only three copies in the United States. It's currently believed [gutenbergbible.net] that only 51 out of the original 200 copies still exist. The sad part about this story is that the British Museum has two complete copies and put them on the web [prodigi.bl.uk] almost 3 years ago. So UTexas posting them really adds nothing to the web, except provide another mirror.

Thank you! (1)

Raul654 (453029) | about 11 years ago | (#6518735)

Someone else commented that there are a lot more intact ones than three, and I was *sure* I had read that number somewhere. I think it was on the plaque of the one I saw at the LOC.

Re:Write in the margins?! (1)

waynemcdougall (631415) | about 11 years ago | (#6518745)

48 survive. It's the writings in the margin that make this one so different (and hence valuable)!
It was marked up by monks who scratched out some passages and corrected others. Other markings indicate which sections were to be read aloud or reserved for church services.

"Our copy is the most interesting in the world," Oram said.

This is probably the most extensively annotated and corrected copy surviving. This is a very great treasure. -- Paul Needham, Princeton University

So all these annotation and corrections on /. will make this the most valuable...ummmm....

Re:Christianity and the Gutenberg Bible (3, Insightful)

polished look 2 (662705) | about 11 years ago | (#6518668)

How could anyone say the above drivel is informative?

For your information, the Guttenberg Bible is a masterpiece that helped usher in not only the renaissance but also the reformation. The GB and the printing press also aided civilization tremendously by helping spread knowledge throughout the globe in a quick and timely manner.

Of course it is true that the Guttenberg Bible does not make a good study text; that goes without saying. For one thing, its in a museum and for another thing the photographs provided by the HRC are not detailed enough to make out the text clearly.

Re:Christianity and the Gutenberg Bible (5, Informative)

JeanPaulBob (585149) | about 11 years ago | (#6518669)

Don't forget the New American Standard translation, the other major English translation.

Be careful with the NIV, though. It's quite a good translation, but you have to be aware of what you're getting when you read it. The translators used the "dynamic equivalence" philosophy, to make it easier to read. That means they took the more difficult sentences and rephrased them, changing both grammar and vocabulary to a more straight-forward reading level. (Every translation involves interpretation, but dynamic equivalence adds a second layer of "putting it in your own words.")

Here's some good resources:

Unbound Biola [biola.edu] -- Bible search. Most of the major English translations, along with 30 or 40 other languages, ancient and modern.

Read the Bible [bible.com] -- 50 or 60 translations, English and otherwise. Some are available for download, as are the necessary fonts.

Re:Christianity and the Gutenberg Bible (4, Interesting)

Skyshadow (508) | about 11 years ago | (#6518670)

To begin with it's all in Latin.

Personally, I think it was a mistake to translate the gospels from Aramaic, too.

Realistically, this Bible is less useful for the study of modern theology than it is other things -- art, the history of print and bookbinding, the evolution of the scriptures, etc. I mean, look at the cover of the thing -- it's a stunning piece of work.

If you are truly serious about studying the Bible as a living book, and not as a museum piece, then pick up a New King James or NIV version.

IMO, the King James versions still suffer from their poisioned past. The NIV makes a good effort, but I disagree with some of the interpretations they make (although I do agree with the need to draw those interpretations).

The key to really understanding the Bible is to understand its sources and inspiration, examining the roots of the mythology being presented and the way in which things would have been intended. This isn't easy to do, but IMO is worthy of at least ameature study.

Re:Christianity and the Gutenberg Bible (2, Informative)

molo (94384) | about 11 years ago | (#6518757)

Personally, I think it was a mistake to translate the gospels from Aramaic, too.

Weren't they orginally written in Greek to be applicable to a wide audience? It would have been good of the apostles to also provide an Aramaic version too of course, but they were never written. Not that they were literal translations either.. how many years after Jesus's death were they written? Almost 100 years for John's gospel?

-molo

Re:Christianity and the Gutenberg Bible (4, Funny)

Mikey-San (582838) | about 11 years ago | (#6518793)

"Let me give you a little inside information. God hates it when it's referred to as "mythology." - Rufus, Dogma

Finally? (1)

frostman (302143) | about 11 years ago | (#6518690)

Also...

Finally....

it's all in Latin.

Unfortunately, I think the Latin part is a show-stopper here for amateurs interested in learning about the Bible's history and various versions.

I welcome the digitization and fully agree with the parent post, but I think the Latin bit is, alas, asking too much of today's readers.

Maybe there's a dual-text, original-plus-translation, annotated version available online. Now THAT would be supercool!

Re:Christianity and the Gutenberg Bible (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518715)

Eah? You have a copy to download, print and scribble [b]all over[/b]!

An excellent excuse to learn latin (3, Insightful)

KalvinB (205500) | about 11 years ago | (#6518718)

The NKJV and NIV are nice (I prefer the KJV for the fluidness of old english) but the Gutenberg has the historical value.

Ester in the OT was the first to take the holy scriptures and put them on paper so that everyone could read them. Nothing was hidden. Everyone knew what the priests did. Everyone knew the temple. Everyone knew the ceremonies. There were no secrets. Nothing ever was really hidden from the people. But the fact it was now openly in writting instead of just oral tradition was an enormously big deal.

Then the Catholic church came and decided to take the scriptures away from the people and to try to hide the ceremonies and teachings forcing people to just trust the words of the priests. And even today they try to hide the actions of their priests.

Luther came along and destroyed their control by doing what Ester had done long before. He gave the Bible back to the people so THEY could determine what was the truth and what wasn't without having to rely on a priest.

"Finally, the Gutenberg Bible does not have an easily accessible concordance. There is a lot of cross referencing that needs to be done to truly understand the teachings of the Bible"

The Bible, like all things takes time to understand. You can rely on others to teach you or teach yourself. Or both as many do. But the idea is that you can read along with the teacher to make sure they're not putting words in God's mouth.

The Gutenburg Bible isn't so much valuable as just a Bible. There are many many Bibles that all say the same thing. It's valuable because of what it represents. A man without study guides and without a concordance who made it his duty to learn what it taught and who made sure anyone and everyone would be able to have that same opportunity. It represents a religion that was no longer based on secrets. And even more secularly it represents the struggle to make information freely available to all.

They're very expensive but Gutenburg Bibles translated to English (with Luther's original notes I believe) have been available for years. So if you want one to study with they're there.

Ben

Re:An excellent excuse to learn latin (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518753)

The Bible, like all things takes time to understand. You can rely on others to teach you or teach yourself. Or both as many do. But the idea is that you can read along with the teacher to make sure they're not putting words in God's mouth.

Why go to all that trouble when you can use the bible as firestarter material? Crumple up those nice thin pages -- they burn great! (Oh, and in case you're listening, Jebus: FUCK YOU HOLY SPIRIT!)

Mod parent overrated please! (4, Insightful)

nacturation (646836) | about 11 years ago | (#6518742)

...but as a study Bible it falls quite short.

Is this the beginning of your strawman argument? Nobody suggested it is a study bible. You threw that out there and you then proceed to back up your blatantly incorrect assertion.

Also, it is simply not available to the general public.

Again, it's not meant to be. Unless the public is clamoring for a latin text, what does it matter that it's only available to those with internet access? The images aren't large enough (even the enlarged ones) to really read comfortably even if you are fluent in latin.

Finally, the Gutenberg Bible does not have an easily accessible concordance.

You mean it has no concordance? Dude, this is of archeological signicance only. Nobody in their right mind would learn latin so that they could study this thing. I get the feeling by now that you're simply trolling, but seeing that you got a +5 Informative, I feel compelled to respond.

the fact that Gutenberg Bible owners won't let you touch the things, much less write in the margins, means that you are pretty much hamstrung as far as study goes.

Dude, I can write in the margins. My Jiffy marker shows up great on my monitor screen, and it's always there for me. And as for being hamstrung, does my lack of speaking Latin hamstring me too?

If you are truly serious about studying the Bible as a living book, and not as a museum piece, then pick up a New King James or NIV version.

On this point I have to agree. This is a museum piece and isn't great for studying. After all, looking up Psalm 137:9 in King James Version is much more eloquent:

"Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones."

Gives it a nice Shakespearean quality I'd say. But if you're not into that, the NIV is a lot clearer:

"Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us- he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks."

Nothing quite says God Loves You like a little bit of infant seizing and rock dashing.

Grow some balls (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518755)

Overrated is for pansy assed moderators who don't want to hurt their own karma by going out on a limb and assigning -1 Troll, -1 Offtopic, or -1 Flamebait.

So which one would you put on the parent post? Don't wimp out with -1 overrated.

Re:Christianity and the Gutenberg Bible (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518783)

Metamoderation alert! You morons who modded this 'insightful' or 'troll' just completely missed the point. It should be modded 'funny'--or, failing that, 'overrated' if you don't think it is. Hint: "writing in the margins" is a dead giveaway.

the guttenberg bible (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518589)

Ok, the guy had a few good police academy movies and the one about the talking robot, but he gets his own Bible? I guess I can get my own Bible out now too, the Anonymous Coward Bible, which all subsequent ACs will live by.

Re:the guttenberg bible (0, Offtopic)

cabra771 (197990) | about 11 years ago | (#6518622)

Hey Anonymous Coward,
The 80's called. They want their Steve Guttenberg joke back.

Re:the guttenberg bible (1)

An Ominous Coward (13324) | about 11 years ago | (#6518738)

Yeah, well the jerk store called and they want you back.

Re:the guttenberg bible (1)

Mikey-San (582838) | about 11 years ago | (#6518814)

Yeah, well you're their biggest seller!

Is Gutenberg that nice? (5, Interesting)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | about 11 years ago | (#6518602)

Of what I heard, Gutenberg made the movable type so he could make books cheaper. But he also made the "Publishers' Guild" and wreaked what he could have made known to the public.

He put back knowledge for 100 years by allowing of such a guild that muchg power.

Re: Is Gutenberg that nice? (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | about 11 years ago | (#6518701)


> Of what I heard, Gutenberg made the movable type so he could make books cheaper. But he also made the "Publishers' Guild" and wreaked what he could have made known to the public. He put back knowledge for 100 years by allowing of such a guild that muchg power.

Folklore also holds that he perfected his technology in order to be able to undercut the competition's prices for counterfiet "indulgences".

(And you think today's IP is out of control... imagine being a middle-man able to levy a fee on sinning!)

Re: Is Gutenberg that nice? (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | about 11 years ago | (#6518775)

You mean like one of these? [prodigi.bl.uk]

ahhhhh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518605)

Praise Jesus!

Hook 'em (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518606)

Don't forget that you can see the real deal at the entrance of the Harry Ransom Center. Of course, it's beneath a protective case and you can't turn any pages, but nothing beats seeing the real thing. And there are plenty of other wonderful works of art at the Ransom Center.

This is great... (1, Funny)

MoeMoe (659154) | about 11 years ago | (#6518609)

Now I have a reason to take my comp to church!

religion aside (2, Interesting)

Dorothy 86 (677356) | about 11 years ago | (#6518610)

... Imagine the time spent on a project like this. By doing this, it opens wide the possibility for a younger generation (the "internet generation" as it were) to really consider going into history, anthropology and many other studies that could easily be drown out by this IT boom, which is going on now.

Kudos to all involved in the project

Actually (5, Interesting)

Raul654 (453029) | about 11 years ago | (#6518611)

The Library of Congress (Jefferson Building, IIRC) has a copy [udel.edu] on display. (Yep, that's me). Closeup available here [udel.edu]

Re:Actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518619)

You've got pipefitter lips.

Re:Actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518642)

Did you miss the sign that says NO PHOTOGRAPHY ALLOWED ?

Thanks for degrading the artifact ever so slightly for the rest of us.

Re:Actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518700)

How does opening a shutter and capturing light "degrade the artifact"? He didn't say he used a flash. Or does it steal (as in steal, not as infringe copyright) the book's soul or something? (Heh, more likely, revenues from the gift shop!)

~~~

You're right (1)

Raul654 (453029) | about 11 years ago | (#6518707)

I used a digital camera w/ no flash -- photoshoped the picture later to add a little brightness.

Re:You're right (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518736)

It looks very good. Thanks for sharing it!

~~~

The Bible (4, Funny)

yamcha666 (519244) | about 11 years ago | (#6518625)


freely available to anyone who would like to examine it.

I already read it, what else you got?

Who said nothing good comes from Texas? (1)

molo (94384) | about 11 years ago | (#6518639)

Who said nothing good comes from Texas?

Well.. one is more than zero, right? :)

-molo

Turn up the resolution on the scanner (2, Informative)

mwc28 (622947) | about 11 years ago | (#6518645)

Excuse my ignorance, it is a wonderfully crafted document, but why go to all the trouble of digitizing a document that you can barely read the digital version of. It might just be my eyes, but its awufully hard to read the text even in latin!

My 2c

Re:Turn up the resolution on the scanner (1)

mwc28 (622947) | about 11 years ago | (#6518717)

see http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/07/23/digita l.scripture.ap/index.html [cnn.com]

"...Ransom Center staff began digitally scanning the Bible's linen pages in June 2002.
The finished project gives Web viewers 7,000 images and special software was used
to allow for full visibility of the text and illuminations...."

Well done!!

Re:Turn up the resolution on the scanner (2, Interesting)

tchansen (536153) | about 11 years ago | (#6518721)

It isn't just your eyes. I think it was meant for you to look on the beauty of it, not read it, unfortunately.

I tried enlarging the image, but to no avail. However, I'm sure that larger resolution images exist; one of the photos of the person scanning it in has it projected up on the wall in a legible size.

Maybe if you asked nicely...

Re:Turn up the resolution on the scanner (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518722)

They plan to make money from the higher resolution images. The ones on the site are just to pique your interest. They even have the gall to say that reproduction of the images is prohibited. You mean 569 years isn't enough for the f*cking public domain?

~~~

Re:Turn up the resolution on the scanner (1)

tigertigr (610853) | about 11 years ago | (#6518797)

For a while I thought this was part of the Gutenberg project and that the digitized version would be available for free (it IS the Bible after all), but I guess the only thing they have in common is Johann Gutenberg's name.

Not Impressed (2, Funny)

Sp00nMan (199816) | about 11 years ago | (#6518667)

Anyone can scan an entire book as a bunch of JPG's. Give me a .lit or ebook format and I'll be impressed!

Christian web banner??? (0, Troll)

Ianworld (557858) | about 11 years ago | (#6518676)

The question is will having slashdot link to this site get more converts than if they made a web banner or pop up ad? (or worse one of those on page pop ups?)

Re:Christian web banner??? (1)

mwc28 (622947) | about 11 years ago | (#6518689)

Web banners and popup adds only drive people away from things. Lets hope this promotes curiosity and interest ...
M

Re:Christian web banner??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518799)

A "Punch the Monk" banner ad might be interesting.

Important copyright notice (5, Funny)

Timesprout (579035) | about 11 years ago | (#6518677)

And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to make illegal copies of my words and destroy my IP rights. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.

Yours etc.

Supreme non existent being

Re:Important copyright notice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518752)


Supreme non existent being

Amen to that !!

Re:Important copyright notice (2, Insightful)

TwinEngine (691988) | about 11 years ago | (#6518806)

Yup. I happened to listen to Lawrence Lessig's keynote address entitled Free Culture [oreillynet.com] last night and the Gutenberg site reminded me of this excerpt:
Here's my Adobe eBook Reader, right. Some of you have seen this before, I'm sure. Here's Middle March; this is a work in the public domain. Here are the "permissions" (a lawyer had something to do with this) that you can do with this work in the public domain: You are allowed to copy ten selections into the clipboard every ten days--like, who got these numbers, I don't know--but you can print ten pages of this 4 million page book every ten days, and you are allowed to feel free to use the read-aloud button to listen to this book, right?

Now, Aristotle's Politics, another book in the public domain [that was] never really protected by copyright, but with this book, you can't copy any text into the selection, you can't print any pages, but feel free to listen to this book aloud. And to my great embarrassment, here's my latest book, right? No copying, no printing, and don't you dare use the technology to read my book aloud.

Similarly the Gutenberg site warns:
Further reproduction of any of the Gutenberg Bible images without the written consent of the Ransom Center is prohibited.

Isn't this contrary to the whole premise of the project? Paradoxical, even? Do you want to allow the world "virtual access" to this text or not?

Movable Type??? (4, Funny)

Eberlin (570874) | about 11 years ago | (#6518679)

I knew it, God is a blogger!!!

Wait, cowboyneal uses Movable Type. Hmmmmmm.

How long? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518687)

I give it about 48 hours before it's posted to alt.binaries.ebooks [alt.binaries.ebooks]

~~~

So much for a free press.. (5, Insightful)

molo (94384) | about 11 years ago | (#6518695)

Further reproduction of any of the Gutenberg Bible images without the written consent of the Ransom Center is prohibited.

So much for a free press and research materials.. This is such a load of crap. The largest images publicly available are 835x600.

Inquiries regarding the availability of higher-resolution digital images for research or publication should be directed to the Center's staff.

All this from a public university. Your tax dollars at work!

-molo

Re:So much for a free press.. (1)

acceleriter (231439) | about 11 years ago | (#6518714)

Concur. As if the CTEA and the corrupt Supreme Court that upheld it wasn't bad enough, now we've got the mavens of wealth and power hoarding an over-500 year old book, doling out low resolution images for the little taxpayers that fund the University of Texas, only so that their names might be glorified in the press.

3 out of 10 (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518699)

I've read this book, and even got my own free review copy. This is the author's first work and thus it's hard to know what to expect. The book is inconsistent, hard to follow and fails to have a basic plot line. Some passages might be used for quotes, but overall the book needs a rewrite and it's apparent that no editorial job has been done.

The author seems to be didactic and often instead of retelling the stories tells his/her own opinion on what the readers should do with their life. Such style is permissible with self-help or political literature whereas Bible is somewhere in between Spiritual and Science Fiction sections.

Overall I would suggest waiting for the movie and perhaps a re-write. The end of the book is sort of a spoiler since everyone does. The author looks promising, however, I do not see Bible hitting the NYT best-seller list any time soon.

Real Bible (2, Funny)

superpulpsicle (533373) | about 11 years ago | (#6518711)

THank goodness for years I have been relying on dilbert comics as a religious alternative ~

Whew... (1, Insightful)

retto (668183) | about 11 years ago | (#6518713)

Good thing God isn't around anymore. I'm sure He'd be pissed about the copyright infringement.

Re:Whew... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518779)


Good thing God isn't around anymore. I'm sure He'd be pissed about the copyright infringement.

Did you read that in this Bible already ?? On one of the pages, God left this message - "I am going for space travel in my spaceship (See pic of spaceship on top left of this this page [utexas.edu] ). I wanna check out a black hole. Those suckers look really cool. If I don't come back, you write stories about me and save the world"

image size (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518747)

It is nice they put this thing online, but it is nothing else than a marketing gag for mmore funds or something.

at the current size [utexas.edu] it is totally useless, you click on enlarge image - and you get an image at a size where it is barely readable. am i supposed to use a magnification glass on my screen or something? If you do it, do it right (read: at right size) or leave it.

ok... found it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518778)

the usability is ridiculous

But! (1)

metalhed77 (250273) | about 11 years ago | (#6518763)

Can I get one from Project Gutenburg?

Goddamn their ASCII Text Files, what are they going to do to preserve really typseting / formating

eh? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518765)

Steve Guttenberg [imdb.com] wrote the bible?

OH MY GOD!

Much better Bible reference (2, Informative)

nacturation (646836) | about 11 years ago | (#6518766)

Rather than use this as a bible reference, a better source is the Skeptic's Annotated Bible [skepticsan...dbible.com] . That'll give you the true dope on the [ahem] "Good" book.

74 posts and no christian flamewar?? (-1, Flamebait)

moxruby (152805) | about 11 years ago | (#6518777)

Have the slashdot trolls gone on strike today? 74 Posts and counting and not one person has dissed religion...
CmdrTaco (troll) would be very dissapointed in all of you ... Think page-views, stupid.

BUT ... ! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518781)

DOES IT RUN LINUX?????????????

Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted! Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

it's a nice start ... but (1)

tooninja (663018) | about 11 years ago | (#6518787)

The quality of the image could be better.
I mean attempting to actually study this
(granted you have the need/desire to, and have polished latin abilities) you couldn't. This should be done in a methond similar to that of the MILLION BOOK PROJECT [cmu.edu] , using something like DJVU [lizardtech.com] , which yes I know is proprietary, but has true readable digital document capabilites and is highly optimized (file size) for web based documents.

Re:it's a nice start ... but (1)

tooninja (663018) | about 11 years ago | (#6518800)

sorry.. this is a better link for document examples.. let's see an open source version of this ... drool...
DJVU samples [lizardtech.com]

Unfortunately, The University of Texas... (3, Funny)

SnappingTurtle (688331) | about 11 years ago | (#6518788)

... is being sued by Johannes Gutenberg for copyright violations. It seems that, through intense lobbying, the Gutenberg Bible is still under copyright.

In a related story, God is suing Johannes Gutenberg ...

This one time (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518790)

I remember I was with my gramma at Luby's, and I blew my nose on this nigger's shirt.

I don't care. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518791)

I don't care.

I don't either. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6518803)

I couldn't care less about this bullshit.

Headline: UT refuses RIAA subpeona (1)

Embedded Geek (532893) | about 11 years ago | (#6518807)

In a move mirroring MIT and Boston University's refusal to the names of students accused of file swapping [slashdot.org] , the University of Texas has declined to provide the RIAA with the staff list for its Harry Ransom Humanities Research Center. The RIAA is investigating the alleged copying and distribution of the Center's Gutenburg Bible over the Internet.

UT claims that it performed the copying in good faith, assuming that the 15th century work had lapsed into the public domain. Counsel for the RIAA, however, claims that a clause in the Sonny Bono Copyright Act written in invisible ink reestablishes the copyright.

In a joint press release, the RIAA and the agent for the work's author, one Johannes Gutenberg, have declared "This is a gross violation of intellectual ownership rights. Although the RIAA is traditionally concerned with the trading of music files, this development transves a slipery slope. Unless this latest instance of file sharing is halted in its tracks, we will see a wholesale distribution of the Word of God. Without immediate action, we will see copies this holy scripture in every church, library, and hotel room nightstand throughout this great land."

God, the author of the work, nor Mr. Harry Ransom were unavailable for comment.

But that's not all! (1)

the darn (624240) | about 11 years ago | (#6518815)

We've also got the World's First Photograph here at the ol' HRC. And Lewis Carrol's eyeglasses. Woo-hoo! Oh, and the ancient tome was exposed to a great deal of light in the scanning process (it took 4 days to scan, a year to prep for the web), which was done with a $40k-ish fancy-schmancy no-touching-the-priceless-relic thingamajig. Hopefull it'll get used to scan in other old printed things, like teh medival pr0n.
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