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High End Silent Cooling For Graphics Cards

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the look-ma-no-fans dept.

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SpinnerBait writes "With all the competition these days in the 3D Accelerator market, Graphics Card OEMs are doing anything they can to differentiate their products in a sea of competitive solutions. Recently board designs are getting even more exotic, with brightly colored PCBs, high end heat sink and fan combinations and even flashing lights for the case modders out there. However, a relatively new trend is Quiet Computing. HotHardware has an article up that showcases two new Radeon 9600 Pro and 9800 Pro cards from Sapphire Tech, that have rather impressive fanless coolers on them that are virtually silent. Great stuff for those of you gaming in the library."

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bah (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6545554)

my original voodoo isa card is just fine by me

GNAA! (-1, Troll)

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Re:GNAA! (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545606)

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Re:GNAA! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6545682)

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Hmmm.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6545560)

First post, or sex with a mare?

Wait a second... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6545565)

You mean, not only are there people in the library, but they are gaming in there too? Surely this calls for a penalty of death.

Sex with a mare or sex with a GNAA member? (-1, Flamebait)

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Re:Sex with a mare or sex with a GNAA member? (-1)

penis fish (671987) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545586)

Sex with a mare, by *far.*

Re:Sex with a mare or sex with a GNAA member? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6545604)

Really? I could have swore that you preferred fish [nero-online.org]

What would excite me is a lower price (5, Interesting)

amichalo (132545) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545585)

I must be the only one out there but instead of the fancy packaging, colored circuit bords, flashing lights, included CD's filled with shareware games, and ... as of this article ... cooling devices fit for the Red October, I would like a graphics card that ...

IS IN EXPENSIVE!

Imagine that graphics card marketing departments. Keep your fluff and give me a lower cost card!

Of other note, a card shardard for laptops so I could upgrade my PowerBook G4 would be huge for me, expecially as laptops become the PC of choice for the younger, more mobile 20 somethings.

Re:What would excite me is a lower price (2, Informative)

sshannon (636644) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545615)

Last month when I was building my new computer I was able to get a GeForce 4 (4xAGP, 64MB DDR) for $20 after rebate from Tiger Direct [tigerdirect.com]. Granted, it's not the greatest card in the world, and I've never been much of a gamer, but it should be enough for all but the most hardcore of gamers.

Re:What would excite me is a lower price (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6545665)

For $20 I am assuming it was a GF4-MX and not a GF4-TI. THe MX is nothing more than a faster clocked GF-2 and only has DX-7 support.

Re:What would excite me is a lower price (2, Informative)

badasscat (563442) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545881)

Last month when I was building my new computer I was able to get a GeForce 4 (4xAGP, 64MB DDR) for $20 after rebate from Tiger Direct. Granted, it's not the greatest card in the world, and I've never been much of a gamer, but it should be enough for all but the most hardcore of gamers.

Why was this reply modded down to 0:Troll? The parent asked for cheap graphics cards; this guy explained where to get one. A question was asked and answered. How is that a troll?

I also bought a GeForce 4 MX from Newegg.com for my HTPC for $44 just about a week ago. No, this is not going to give you Radeon 9800 performance, but you get what you pay for. The nice thing about the graphics card market is that there's something out there for everybody right now. No, the cheap cards don't get the headlines but that's to be expected. The good news is there are highly capable graphics cards out there that will be perfectly satisfying to almost anyone all up and down the line at every price point. You can literally buy an older, slower graphics card for $20-$30 that will give you solid 2D performance and even let you play most 3D games at lower resolutions happily. Or, if you've got the cash, you can shell out for one of the hot new Radeons or GeForce FX's.

What I usually do is wait until I can double my current performance for around $100. In my main PC I have a GeForce 4 Ti4200, which cost me $108 about a year ago (upgrading from a GeForce 2, which is still a perfectly good card and now lives in a PC I built for my mother). This was one of the fastest cards available at the time and it's still among the fastest today. No complaints here, and I think it'll be a while until I upgrade again - probably not until games really start requiring DirectX 9 capability to work.

Quit yer whining (1)

Cryp2Nite (67224) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545656)

$45 - RADEON 9200 64MB
$69 - RADEON 9100 128MB
$61 - RADEON 9100 64MB
$74 - RADEON 9000 Pro 128MB
$67 - RADEON 9000 Pro 64MB
$46 - RADEON 9000
$61 - RADEON 9000 128MB
$46 - RADEON 9000 64MB
$64 - RADEON 8500
$40 - RADEON 7500
$55 - RADEON 7500 128MB
$30 - RADEON 7000
$59 - RADEON 64MB DDR VIVO
$30 - RADEON 32MB DDR
The lameness filter thinks, I should add some more . But I think the list above about covers it. Apparently There's still more to type so here goes:
  • If you want the latest and greatest: pay up.
  • If you want something cheaper: buy last years tech.
  • If you want the latest and greatest against last years tech prices: Grow up!

Re:Quit yer whining (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6545791)

Can you post the same list with another column - how many times faster the card is than an Nvidia MX 2 440

I wouldn't want to buy a new card only to find that it is slower than the one I have.

Get Real (0)

Zooka (457908) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545951)

If you're an avid gamer, and want to play the latest games with the graphics detail turned up, and at a reasonable framerate, a sub $100 card isn't going to cut it. Plus those cards do not have DirectX 9 support, which would be nice to have for many upcoming games (though you wouldn't be able to play with high graphics settings on those cards anyway). For a gamer to buy anything lower than a r9700 right now would be a waste, if they have future compatibility in mind.

Re:What would excite me is a lower price (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6545725)

Prices are never going to get cheaper. Lowest performing card(for gaming crowd) will be <$75(Radeon9200, GF4-MX) Entry-level cards will always be $75-125(Radeon9500, GF4-Ti4200). Highest end will always be $300-400(Radeon9800, GF-FX). (Will increase due to inflation obviously).

Why? The chipset designers(ati/nV) try to create one entry for each segment without too much overlap WRT pricing and performace between segments. No one is going to produce cards with older technology when they can use that manufacturing capacity to build other, newer, more profitable cards. Once production has ramped up it never gets cheaper to produce the cards. It does not cost any more to produce a top end card today than it would be to build a Voodoo3.

Re:What would excite me is a lower price (1)

Kaboom13 (235759) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545771)

They make those, only cost a couple dollars. Don't do 3d to well, but you get what you pay for. This is a product designed to fill a niche, people who want a good card thats quiet and are willing to pay for it. If you aren't willing to pay for it, go buy a cheaper, noisy card, or a really cheap completely silent card. If there isnt a suffecient market for this the product will fail. And I dont know what you complaining about cost anyway. I bought my first voodoo 2 for over $200. I bought a Geforce 4 ti for around a hundred. Seems like they are listening after all.

Re:What would excite me is a lower price (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6545861)

Something like a Saphire Rage 128? I got it for only £25 in the UK, and its got 32 MB of video ram, and it has got excelent linux support. Runs tuxracer at 1024x768@70FPs.

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Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6545587)

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Re:FIRST GOATSE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6545955)

Wow, this is almost "retro". Goatse is so 2001. Tubgirl is so 2002. We need something new.

Re:FIRST GOATSE (1)

Saeger (456549) | more than 10 years ago | (#6546052)

The Goatse.cx image was worn out way before 2001; it was known as "The Stinger" on IRC for quite a while.

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Re:Umm I dunno ... (-1, Troll)

Eric Destiny (255168) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545681)

Hey jackass, why don't you make your entire post a link? There's a preview button for a reason.

Sacrificing a PCI slot?? (3, Interesting)

whiteranger99x (235024) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545589)

Now i noticed that the 9800 Pro is so big, considering the size of the heat sink to disperse the heat generated, users would have to give up the adjacent PCI slot.

I always thought in some computers the AGP slot and the 1st PCI slot had a shared IRQ, so this wouldn't be an issue...unless im mistaken, of course :P

Re:Sacrificing a PCI slot?? (2, Informative)

CaptnMArk (9003) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545692)

Many new motherboards have 5 pci slots with the same layout that the 6 pci version would have and the first slot is removed. Just for this kind of graphics cards.

It's definately a must have for my mobo in the future.

Re:Sacrificing a PCI slot?? (1)

whiteranger99x (235024) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545777)

Ah i see, the way video cards are being pumped up for performance, i can imagine such a setup being a must have for motherboards

Re:Sacrificing a PCI slot?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6545986)

I remembered seeing that there is a video card taking up three slots (one on each side) of the back panel. I wonder what happened to those?

silent fans but noisy games.... (1)

56ker (566853) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545591)

With games being so noisy these days eg Command and Conquer, Quake etc - the noise of a fan on the graphics card hardly makes a difference! It'd be less fun playing them in silence....

Re:silent fans but noisy games.... (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545609)

The fact that some people do more with their computers than play video games.... Some people read /. :-)

Tom

Re:silent fans but noisy games.... (5, Insightful)

rokzy (687636) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545613)

the problem with noisy graphics cards isn't the noise they make during noisy games, it's the noise they make the other 99.8% of the time

Re:silent fans but noisy games.... (0)

mrseigen (518390) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545775)

In related news, gamers were being investigated for running illicit airports from their back yards.

"Well, there's this huge loud swooshing noise, what else could it be?" stated one officer.

Re:silent fans but noisy games.... (1)

BinaryC (314673) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545787)

You only play games 0.2% of your time? You realize that's only like 20 minutes a week right?

Re:silent fans but noisy games.... (2, Interesting)

compwiz3688 (98919) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545909)

Then get one of those ASUS FX cards that supports the SmartDoctor 2 software.

I was surprised that when I was testing an ASUS V9520 Video Suite at work, the fan didn't spin until I started playing ga... err running benchmarks. I thought I broke the fan :).

whoo pie... (0, Offtopic)

mrgreenfur (685860) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545592)

nothing like feeding hits to another boring hardware review.... yes, there are heatpipes, no doubt mfgr's wills start to use them....

old and boring news, move along people...

I glad this is happening.. (3, Interesting)

nother_nix_hacker (596961) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545599)

...because my graphics card is louder than my sound card at the moment! :)

Re:I glad this is happening.. (1)

djcapelis (587616) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545658)

PREDICTION: A forthcoming patch for linux to modulate the fan on your video card to produce sound. Now you just need your video/sound combo card for a new multimedia experience! ATI and NVida will then list the decible output as a line item.

Not as great as you might think (3, Interesting)

Dr. Spork (142693) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545614)

The problem is that the heatsink is just dumping heat into the cavity of your case, and you will need some serious (and loud) fans to remove it from there. I hate to say it, but only Apple is in a position to make PCs that have wholistic quitet cooling systems installed.

I think that NVidia were actually on the right track by blowing out the GPU heat into the outside air rather than into the case. Of course, their fan was a monster, but I imagine that this could be done better with a cooler GPU like ATI's.

Re:Not as great as you might think (3, Interesting)

rokzy (687636) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545660)

nvidia was on the wrong track. they HAD to blow the air out of the case because it was so damn hot it would overheat (but that was just due to ridiculous overclocking to compete with ATI). and blowing air will always be noisy, especially if blowing it through small holes.

the key imo is watercooling for high-end cards, and generating less heat for the mid/low-end cards. AFAIK some .13 micron ATI cards only need passive heatsinks.

The real future (5, Interesting)

Gossy (130782) | more than 10 years ago | (#6546022)

This is where it's really at.

http://www.directron.com/fanless.html

It's a Zalman case that is coming soon. It will cost a lot - but the entire case acts as a big heatsink. They claim it can easily cool the hottest GPU & CPU's out there, assuming your PC room isn't a furnace, I presume. :)

Here's a japanese link verifying Zalman as the people behind it. http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/akiba/hotline/20030 712/etc_tnn500a.html

This is the holy grail for silent computing enthusiasts!

Re:Not as great as you might think (1)

antiMStroll (664213) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545765)

The Radeon ships with a heatsink/fan combo which generates just as much case heat, heat being a function of the work the video card does and nothing else. Why would this replacement cooler require additional case fans? Answer: it only does if you're hyping Apple.

Oh yes it is! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6545938)

The problem is that the heatsink is just dumping heat into the cavity of your case, and you will need some serious (and loud) fans to remove it from there.


But that's the thing! The case itself is easy to cool quietly - the case is the only place where you can use as large fans as you want. Larger fans == more airflow for the RPM, lower RPM == less noise. Two 120mm fans should give you all the airflow you'll ever need...

Virtually silent? (3, Insightful)

chabotc (22496) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545622)

..fanless coolers on them that are virtually silent..

Care to explain how graphic cards with no fans, no moving parts at all are virtually silent? The cooling solution is totally passive, and thus makes no noice at all.. if it does, something went very, very wrong and it's probably the sound of the heavy cooling solution breaking your motherboard or graphic card ;-)

Re:Virtually silent? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6545673)

Perhaps hot air is noisier than cooler air.

Re:Virtually silent? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6545700)

Inductors hum, capacitors explode, resistors melts, ICs whine, etc... Both of my electric razors and my fast ethernet switch have power supplies that make a quiet twittering noise.

Come on mods! (1)

FreeLinux (555387) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545882)

This is a perfectly valid question. How is it Offtopic?

I too am left wondering what sort of noise this card generates. I had expected a heatsink without a fan to be completely silent. Why is this "virtually silent"?

Old Tech (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6545634)

"passive heatsinks with heat-pipes"

Just like cpu's in laptops have had since...forever.

Typical lifespan? (1)

JarekC (544383) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545635)

Does anyone know how long the typical lifespan of such a heatsink is? Would it survive longer than a typical fan-based heatsink?
I run my boxes 24x7 and it seems that in a dusty environment - such as my appartment - all fans need to be replaced every year or so.
This liquid-in-a-pipe concept seems like it might be a solution for my problem.

Re:Typical lifespan? (4, Interesting)

Simon (815) | more than 10 years ago | (#6546089)

Does anyone know how long the typical lifespan of such a heatsink is? Would it survive longer than a typical fan-based heatsink? I run my boxes 24x7 and it seems that in a dusty environment - such as my appartment - all fans need to be replaced every year or so.

I think you just answered your own question. :-) In my experiance fans are _the_ most unreliable components in my systems. I'm using quality fans now and I've replace all fans on my GFX cards with heatsinks.

I imagine that a heat pipe would last much much longer than any fan. For a start they have almost no moving parts (well, no fiction really), and most of all no _exposed_ moving parts. (The pipe contains a liquid that moves/pumps heat by changing to a gas and back again.)

--
Simon

Nothing to see here (4, Insightful)

bahamat (187909) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545643)

No big news. All they did was take a Zalman [zalman.co.kr] vga cooler and package it with the card.

The only thing that really makes this significant, is that if it comes with the card you can't void your warranty by placing something "too heavy" on it.

Think, McFly. Think. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6545981)

Was there no big news when the first 3d accelerator was introduced? All they did was to package together some components and materials.

What about the rest of the computer? (4, Insightful)

gagy (675425) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545647)

I've been sleeping next to noisy computers for most of my life. Back in the BBS era I'd have things download overnight, so I'm rather used to to all the noise. But if I was overly concerned with the noise, I wouldn't really care about the vid. card. There are much noisier components in a system, mainly the powersupply and some hard drives can be quite loud. People are now installing two or three case fans as well, adding to the cunundrum. I really don't think that adding one more noisy object to the mix would change things.

I know that some people spend their fortunes on quiet powersupplies and sound insulation and these cards might be what they're looking for, but for the most part they're a small nieche market.

Re:What about the rest of the computer? (1)

koreth (409849) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545801)

High-end video cards are pretty noisy these days, actually. One of the GeForceFX cards has a fan that many reviewers have likened to a leaf-blower.

Re:What about the rest of the computer? (2, Interesting)

mr.henry (618818) | more than 10 years ago | (#6546016)

I recently upgraded my box with 'quiet' components and it wasn't too difficult or expensive. I took off the stock AMD Athlon heatsink/fan combo and installed a ThermalRight SLK-800 ($40) [plycon.com] heatsink and an Pabst 8412N ($17) [siliconacoustics.com] 80 mm fan. I also took off the rear 80 mm fan on my case and replaced it with a Pabst (another $17). For the power supply, I put in a Nexus NX-3000 ($75) [siliconacoustics.com].

For around $150 total, the improvement was pretty dramatic. The only sound I hear from my box now is the hard drive, and if that ever starts to become an annoyance, there are options [plycon.com].

Re:What about the rest of the computer? (1)

rsilva (128737) | more than 10 years ago | (#6546104)

To build a reasonably quiet PC is not that expensive nowadays. However you must have silence as ojective while choosing the components.

For example you can use:

1) Case + PSU: antec sonata
2) HD: Seagate barracuda
3) CPU cooler: a Zalman cooler
4) Graphics card: MSI FX5600-VTDR128 (only 25 db)
5) Choose a motherboard with passive cooling

Those components are not much more expensive than quality components and you should end up with a reasonably quiet pc (around 30 db, not dead silent but good).

Enough! (2, Insightful)

Junks Jerzey (54586) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545650)

Slashdotters love to make fun of soccer moms driving big, fuel wasting SUVs, then these same people go out and get monster graphics cards that need crazy cooling nonsense. In all honesty, maybe we've crossed the line here? The little benefit these cards are resulting in (remember, 98% of all games still aren't making use of pixel shaders) is not worth all of the energy waste, not to mention all the wasted materials that go into heat sinks and heat pipes and all of that.

Re:Enough! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6545733)

Oh my god. You're right. I'm so ashamed now. I'm taking my card back to the store. I hope you'll forgive me some day.

Re:Enough! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6545811)

Yes, we're all exactly the same. What are you doing here?

Intruder alert! INTRUDER ALERT!

Re:Enough! (2, Insightful)

gearheadsmp (569823) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545876)

remember, 98% of all games still aren't making use of pixel shaders

Ah, but what you're forgetting is that a vast majority of the games published any given day are crap. Just ask you're nearest game reviewer (ie PC Gamer, Gamespy, etc).

I don't even know where to begin. (2, Interesting)

AntiOrganic (650691) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545900)

98% of all games still aren't making use of pixel shaders

And 80% of games are in 2 dimensions. What's your point?
I realize this statistic is fictitious and was hastily pulled from my ass; so was yours.

Most PC applications don't require much more than a 300 MHz CPU and 96 MB of system RAM. What's your point?

HDTV is being pushed as a standard but most people don't even have S-Video inputs on their televisions. What's your point?

Some people like technology. Some people like quality better, speed faster, and they want it to be quiet. Sure, these things may chug 50-60W (arbitrary figure, it's probably much, much lower) when they're in use playing a 3D game, but people don't 3D game to to and from work every day.

And is it really "wasted"? There's a noticeable and beneficial effect. It is by no means the same as driving an SUV alone using the rear cargo area to haul groceries and your daughter's broken bicycle.

Additionally, you're ignoring the other aspects of SUVs which make them infeasible as car replacements, such as the high rollover rate, the tendency of SUVs to "trip" when hitting small animals such as foxes on the road, or sometimes when the pavement so much as changes texture. SUVs are also regulated as "light trucks" so that they don't have to conform to the same federal safety regulations as normal vehicles. This is due to lobbying on the part of SUV manufacturers, and consumers still buy these deathtraps at premium prices despite how little effort went into making them safe.

The gas consumption and wastefulness of SUVs are only the tip of the iceberg.

Besides, you're ignoring the fact that it's a matter of adoption, and scale which determines waste -- you didn't see us yammering about SUVs much when 15000 people drove them because they weren't popular enough to cause a problem.

What about... (3, Insightful)

Enigma1625 (544974) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545662)

water cooling? It is becoming more popular and I can only imagine prices will start to become more reasonable. Completely silent, and more effective than fans/heatsinks; what more could you ask for?

Re:What about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6545822)

Silent water pumps. Water that doesn't leak or spoil or make rust. Reliability.

Ok, sorry. I just realized your post was intended as a joke. I'll still post this in case anyone things you are serious.

Re:What about... (1)

wheany (460585) | more than 10 years ago | (#6546086)

Water pumps make almost no noise. At least when compared to a fan. Of course you'll probably still need a fan for a radiator, but going from CPU&NB&GPU ( and if you are hard-core, Power) fans to 1 large fan that runs at 7 volts makes a big difference.

Re:What about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6545828)

You could ask for complete silence, which water cooling currently isn't unless you don't need the water to move anywhere.

Re:What about... (1)

johnny0101 (617627) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545854)

some kind of liquid cooling would be useful if the liquid didn't conduct... ie, short out your electronics if the system leaked... I don't think i want water running through my system. i can stand my fan noise :D

Re:What about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6545910)

" some kind of liquid cooling would be useful if the liquid didn't conduct"

You mean like water? Pure water does not conduct electricity. Water molecules do not dissociate significantly to form charge carriers (ions). You can buy de-ionized water at the grocery store.

Re:What about... (1)

johnny0101 (617627) | more than 10 years ago | (#6546148)

Pure water does not conduct electricity... You can buy de-ionized water at the grocery store.

ok, i'll give you the money to buy a gallon of deionized water and you go dump it on your computer? deal?
h2o is a POLAR molecule by definition. (although weak, hello high school chem) deionizing just neutralizes any ions in the water.
So yes pure water DOES conduct. It's weak though. I haven't tested it by spilling it on my motherboard though... feel free to be the guinea pig

Same old Zalman cooler (3, Informative)

steronz (307926) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545676)

It should be noted that the same coolers have been available from Zalman for some time. That they're now packaged from the factory with this cards should hardly be newsworthy.

Well look what we got here. (1)

PgDn (680979) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545698)

First of all the GPU cooler in use is similar in technology to the heat sink used in Shuttle systems. Furthmore while this GPU cooler has low noise levels it takes up a lot of space it seems, blocking at least one PCI slot. This was a problem for a lot of people who saw the GeForce FX series of heat sinks for the first time. So I find it funny if ATI card holders did not care or something. But yeah the worst thing you have to worry about as far as noise is your power supply. My Asus FX card is damn near unregconizable comapred to my CPU Heatsink (its the loudest thing at 31 dcp) So sucks to you.

Let's get serious on quiet (2, Insightful)

pair-a-noyd (594371) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545705)

When I was a kid my mother used to tell me that silence is golden. I hated to hear those words then. Now I know that she was right.

I am bloody sick of loud ass hard drives and fans and everything else. The fans are no big deal but the hard drives are the real problem.
I've yet to see a hard drive that doesn't scream like a small dog in pain. That noise goes through your head like a bayonet.

I'm building a huge cabinet to put *ALL* of my equipment in made out of an old soda water cooler from a drive in store. It's sound proof and thermally it will keep the heat in so I can duct it out through the ceiling, thus keeping the computer room cool and saving money on the AC cooling bill. It gets damn hot with all the PC's and laserjets and stuff running..

Let's get some quiet hard drives too folks..
I'm really sick of noisy machines. I'd even like to have a silent fridge if they make one..

Re:Let's get serious on quiet (1)

Txiasaeia (581598) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545871)

...yet to see a hard drive that doesn't scream like a small dog in pain...

Western Digital 800 (80GB) special ed is silent. I cannot hear it at all.

On a related note, congratulations on the superpower. Let me be the first to dub you "Sight For Sore Ears Man."

Re:Let's get serious on quiet (1)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 10 years ago | (#6546039)

I'll second that about the fluid bearing Western Digital: Extremely quiet. I have the power saving mode that spools the HD down, a habit from prior configurations where the hard drive was the loud part and it was some aureal relief, however with this drive it's imperceptible if it's actually spinning or not.

The Volcano 7 heatsink on the other hand...what a mistake.

Re:Let's get serious on quiet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6546021)

Get deaf and try again.

Re:Let's get serious on quiet (4, Informative)

Simon (815) | more than 10 years ago | (#6546029)

Have you tried suspending your drives? [silentpcreview.com] It can be done cheaply and makes a big difference.

There are some good drives these days that are very quiet. Seagate Barracuda series drives are legendary among the Quiet PC crowd. Although other manufacturers are also bringing out quiet drives.

If you really want a silent computer you might as well get some information:

How to Quiet the Thing [7volts.com]
Silent PC Review [silentpcreview.com]

--
Simon

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Fans (0)

dicepackage (526497) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545721)

Shouldn't the price come down if they remove the fan instead of sacrificing performance and reliability whilst keeping the price the same and calling it a feature.

Too bad ATI doesn't support linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6545746)

In competing for the x-box, ati cancelled all support for linux.

Shit company, shit people, shit product

Why would I want to make LESS noise? (0, Flamebait)

JudgeFurious (455868) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545768)

I dig the loud PC. I start the thing up and it sounds like one of those backpack leaf blowers.

Re:Why would I want to make LESS noise? (1)

whiteranger99x (235024) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545808)

I dig the loud PC. I start the thing up and it sounds like one of those backpack leaf blowers.

Lemme guess, you start your computer with a gas engine, complete with ripcord, like a lawnmower right? ;)

Re:Why would I want to make LESS noise? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6545922)

That's just the backup generator. The guy haven't been paying his hydro bill.

For DIYers on a budget (5, Interesting)

johnny6vasquez (688226) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545774)

The sound was driving me crazy one day so I got out the hacksaw.

Just take any old stock AMD or P4 heatsink and chop it in half. I didn't have proper heatsink fasteners on my card so drilled it out and zip tied it down. The bottom is still smooth and the paste was properly applied.

The only problem was getting the stock fan off as it was glued on. I put my card in a ziplock bag
and chucked it in the freezer for half an hour. Then I used a screwdriver to pry off the fan assembly (with an old library card to protect the pcb).

Check it out (it's not a swiss watch but it gets the job done).

Pic 1: http://fullcircletraining.com/images/quiet1.jpg [fullcircletraining.com]

Pic 2: http://fullcircletraining.com/images/quiet2.jpg [fullcircletraining.com]

You can see I did the same thing to the northbridge on the motherboard.

happy modding.
j.

Re:For DIYers on a budget (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6545930)

OMG your fucking lame. This is absolutly the stupidiest mod I've seen in a bit (and trust me i've seen a lot of these). Dude, you can buy video memory heat sinks for 15 bucks for 8 pieces that you can arrange in any fashion your like. These are about the size you made and loo kthe same. and a lot more than what you got there. (About 3 times as much)

Re:For DIYers on a budget (1)

johnny6vasquez (688226) | more than 10 years ago | (#6546061)

Hey, thanks but I think you missed the point. I'm not cooling the video memory, I'm cooling the GPU. I know that I can get heat sinks for cheap, but none of the stores in my town had them in stock and I used what I had kicking around the parts bin. The Zalman video cooler is way more expensive than what I did. Not only that but a second hand stock AMD heatsink is less that $15. Besides, it took me half and hour, and most of all, I had fun doing it. I mean, look at it; how fucking funny is that?

Re:For DIYers on a budget (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6546182)

Some people just dont appreceate the brilliance of DIY projects.

When I saw that heat sink fascened down by plastic ties, a big smile just came on my face.

Good work :P

virtually silent? (5, Insightful)

verbatim_verbose (411803) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545798)

Huh... virtually silent? Maybe it's just me, but I don't see how a large block of aluminum can be anything more than completely silent. ;)

Fan reliability (4, Informative)

BWJones (18351) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545823)

The other issue we are going to be having is fan reliability. In servers, we can tell if fans go bad through notification. However, when the fan on my GeForceTi gave up the ghost last week, I only knew about it because I was in the case adding a card. With the proliferation of fans in computers, I would like to see either 1) built in software checks to identify fan status, or 2) more efficient passive cooling techniques that don't require fans. Having a truly silent PC on your desk is pretty nice as illustrated by the Apple Cube connected to a flat panel. Totally silent as opposed to my other workstations (Apple included).

Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6546146)

Why the hell would you have a GeForceTi in a server?

Gaming in the library (0, Offtopic)

s20451 (410424) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545824)

I would pay to see this: some guy playing a fps on a machine in the library, using headphones for sound ... he gets fragged, and foretting where he is (and without warning to anyone around him), bellows "FUCK!!!!!!!!" at the top of his lungs.

Future Cooling? (1)

heli0 (659560) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545849)

When are these things going to require something like water or peltier cooling? The Radeon9700/9800 and GF-FX5800/5900 already exceed the AGP3.0 spec for power consumption and require a direct connection from the power supply. Radeon 9700: 54W, GF-FX 5800: 74W.

The FX-5900 must use less power since they were able to ditch the giant cooler.

Any idea on the type of power consumption that would mandate something beyond air cooling?

brightly colored PCBs? (2, Funny)

Saeger (456549) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545890)

...for the Apple trendwhores, right? Because nothing says style and performance like a purple neon card inside your computer. WTF?

I wonder what these casemodders are going to do for lifestyle status symbolism when personal computing devices finally shrink out of sight over the next decade? Paint their smartcards with glow-in-the-dark paint? Have the OLED display woven into the back of their shirt display the SETI@Home screensaver with a message like "345,000 work units complete, beeyatches!"?

--

Re:brightly colored PCBs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6546050)

This [lanparty.com.tw] isn't exactly a neon PCB, but the connectors are.

nothing is quieter than ice cubes (3, Funny)

AssFace (118098) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545915)

When my system is running hot, I'll toss a couple of ice cubes onto my video card.

Totally silent.

Usually then my system crashes and goes down for a day or so and during that time it almost never overheats.

Pretty efficient if you ask me.

Does someone remember the quiet Hercules 64KB? (2, Interesting)

k.ellsworth (692902) | more than 10 years ago | (#6545964)

It was like 10 years ago when we all had fun with "prince of persia" in the all mighty's XT @8mHz...

I mean the whole computer world has evolved, into GPU's that are faster than CPU's 12 months old, using big smart busses (128, 256 even 512 bits), using DDR3 technology...

I had a XT, and i spent almost the same daily hours playing that i currently spend today... is just me or is the same but bigger, faster and stronger?

For those interested in weird cooling solutions (1)

ctr2sprt (574731) | more than 10 years ago | (#6546054)

You might also want to check out the Leadtek A300TD [leadtek.com] (pictures are unfortunately not working). It's a GF FX with a different cooling design. Basically they wrapped the entire video card in an aluminum box, then stuck two angled fans in the housing. I read all the FX reviews like everyone else and got nervous about the fan noise, but I can't hear this card at all over my power supply fan. (I was actually worried that the fans might not be working, but the card stays a relatively cool 62C. The cutoff is 140C.)

Anyway, I have no idea why it works so well, but it definitely does. It's something to consider instead of passive cooling, and it's almost certainly more efficient too.

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