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Why SCO UNIX Is A Bad Idea

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the more-reasons-than-one dept.

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Ashcrow writes "SCO UNIX has long boasted its 'true UNIX' code base, but is that really the case? A story running at The Jem Report looks into SCO's claims and holds it up to other UNIX variants to try and find validity for SCO's claims." The author has a bit of a chip on his shoulder, but worth reading for the comparison of various *nix's.

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Why GNAA is a GOOD idea (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546772)

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Re:Why GNAA is a GOOD idea (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546783)

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Re:Why GNAA is a GOOD idea (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546806)

The parent poster has incorrect information. No one in #GNAA ever said that.

Is every GNAA member gay or black? No. Some are just gay, and some are just black, and a couple are neither but gained membership by supporting us in other ways (financially, etc).

Obviously this person is jealous of the great accomplishments we have made in our fight against racism and homophobia. It is sad that someone would try to roll back all that we have done just for his personal gain.

Re:Why GNAA is a GOOD idea (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546922)

awesome fp. keep up the good work gay nigs.

GNAA! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546777)

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Re:GNAA! (-1, Offtopic)

seanpark (690789) | more than 11 years ago | (#6546784)

I remember noticing a movie in my local video rental place called "Gay Niggers from Outer Space." Good times.

Re:GNAA! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546824)

i wouldn't have replied to the GNAA troll if i were you... sure way to lose karma.

or maybe you just forgot to check the post as AC button?

Apples and oranges. (5, Informative)

mindstrm (20013) | more than 11 years ago | (#6546779)

SCO's own UNIX products, and the copyright and other rights sco owns with regards to the genetic UNIX codebase are two different things entirely.

Whether or not SCO UNIX sucks or not has no actual bearing on their lawsuit.

Re:Apples and oranges. (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546909)

That's not entirely true. See this part of their complaint, which in my opinion is completely false. Linux didn't need any help from IBM to destroy the market for SCO's products. Red Hat and SuSE were capable of doing that alone.

111. The acts and conduct of IBM in misappropriating and encouraging, inducing and causing others to commit material misappropriation of SCO's Trade Secrets are the direct and proximate cause of a near-complete devaluation and destruction of the market value of SCO OpenServer and SCO UnixWare that would not have otherwise occurred but for the conduct of IBM.

Re:Apples and oranges. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6547077)

Did OpenServer and/or UnixWare ever have much in the way of "market value" to devalue and destroy in the first place, though? I was under the impression that they have always been fringe OSes at best, though I admit I haven't really looked into the history.

FP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546781)

In your face, losers!

YOU FAIL IT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6547042)

too slow grandpa.

oh yeah, and the GNAA sucks my huge black cock.

What if SCO wins? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546782)

What if they're right? That's the key question over SCO's claims and it's also the one question the open-source community largely refuses to address. For all the pleadings and letters that will emerge from this maelstrom, SCO's claims are fairly simple: It owns the bulk of the intellectual property underlying Unix, and recently, some of its code has been spied in Linux. Actually, make that quite a bit of it, says SCO.

It's not just the code. Programmer comments embedded in Linux -- English-language descriptions -- are identical to those found in SCO's Unix code, according to SCO. There's even a typo in one of the commentaries in Unix System V that also appears in a Linux commentary. Extracting the controversial code is not really a feasible solution. Because of the way intellectual property (IP) laws work, derivative products that use the allegedly pilfered code are also subject to liability. Anyone who bundles suspect products, or uses them, is also conceivably on the hook.

My college roommate in my sophomore year, an electrical engineering student named Mike Foster, helped me coin that one. He had an answer for everything, and often it involved the death penalty, a flat tax or some other clean, simple solution that would have been absolutely insane to try in real life. Don't get me wrong. I stand in awe of people who can design transistors or even who can put up drywall. But there is arrogance inside the scientific mind, and it rarely knows when to stop.

Put the SCO argument another way: What if you found out something you had a hand in was now the basis of a multibillion-dollar empire? Would you want a slice, or denounce yourself as a fraud? SCO could also be really overplaying some minor copying. But we won't know until the evidence is in.

Re:What if SCO wins? (-1, Offtopic)

kaltkalt (620110) | more than 11 years ago | (#6546901)

The death penalty isn't always clean, but it is fairly simple. Then again, I am from Texas....

Re:What if SCO wins? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546955)

Yes, but then again, Texas and Illinois are well known for putting death a large number of innocent people. And Texas is known for its railroading. Sounds Familiar?

Re:What if SCO wins? (-1, Troll)

kaltkalt (620110) | more than 11 years ago | (#6546984)

Well yeah, when you execute a lot of people (guilty or innocent, they all die the same), you get pretty good at it, so it gets fairly simple. Texas has mastered the art. In fact, I don't even think it's that messy anymore.

OT: Don't put Illinois in with Texas. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6547100)

Illinois has only put to death 12 people. One of them was that sweet little boyscout, John Wayne Gacy.

Coincidentally, there have been 12 overturned Death Row convictions. That's the reason why former Governor (and alleged felon) George Ryan created a moratorium on the death penalty.

I know of no evidence that Illinois has put to death anyone that was innocent.

Texas, however, does 12 executions standing on it's head. But then again, the whole state is full of jackasses, drunks, and oilmen, so mebbe that many executions are justified.

If they're right: (5, Insightful)

mcc (14761) | more than 11 years ago | (#6546926)

IF they're right, exactly the following sequence of events will happen.
  1. SCO eventually releases/announces exactly what the copied code is, when forced to by a court.
  2. The person who put the SCO code into linux is identified, and the code in question is positively identified as stolen SCO code.
  3. The distribution licenses for all extant versions of linux since that stolen code was inserted promptly become invalid-- since the GPL only applies when you do in fact have the right to distribute the entire work, and unless the GPL applies, you have no right to distribute linux at all-- thus meaning distributing those kernels is no longer legal unless the offending code sections are removed.
  4. Within a really really brief amount of time, probably less than 24 hours, stopgap patches are quickly released for the major contaminated kernel versions, that remove the SCO code and replace it with code that does the same thing, although probably not very well because it was rushed, so that Linux kernel distribution can resume.
  5. Over time, probably not much time, people go back through and release complete patches that insert suitible, well-written, legal code in place of the illegal SCO code for each minor kernel version that people might concievably want to distribute.
  6. The person who gave SCO code to the linux community and presented it as his own work is sued for fraud.
  7. SCO is unable to collect any damages for the time that its code spent in Linux, since while it is easy to get an injunction stopping infringatory behavior, in order to collect *damages* for this sort of thing you must show that you made due dilligent effort to correct the problem. SCO made no effort whatsoever to correct the problem; in fact over a course of at least six or seven months (so far!) after SCO announced it had found the offending code, they refused to tell the linux developers what the infringing code was, *despite repeated requests they do so*. Moreover, since the code was relatively easily replaced once SCO revealed its identity, SCO can hardly claim either that they were damaged or that Linux significantly benefited from having the stolen code, since linux could have gotten by quite well with legally contributed code, and the linux community was totally unaware the code that was donated to them was illegally obtained.

Re:What if SCO wins? (4, Insightful)

Big Sean O (317186) | more than 11 years ago | (#6546983)

SCO could also be really overplaying some minor copying. But we won't know until the evidence is in.


Of course, SCO's current business model won't let that happen. Their hype machine alleges copying and then uses that to justify licensing fees which may or may not be legitimate.

Mark my words, SCO has no interest in a speedy trial. They will keep alleging as long and as hard as possible because that's the only way they (a) can bolster their stock price and (b) keep enough cashflow to keep them solvent.

Re:What if SCO wins? (5, Insightful)

Ian Lance Taylor (18693) | more than 11 years ago | (#6547018)

SCO has two different claims.

One is the direct copying you discuss. However, that is a strict copyright claim applied to small bits of code. If the copied code is removed and replaced, the result will not be a derivative work (the replacement has to be done slightly carefully, but this is not hard). (I think that SCO does want to claim that direct replacement would still be a derivative work, but because we are talking about small pieces of code, this is unlikely to hold up in court.)

SCO's second claim is the basis for their lawsuit against IBM. There SCO claims that the contracts they signed with IBM and Sequent specifies that SCO owns all derivative works, and SCO claims that IBM took that derivative work and contributed it to Linux. This argument relies on an expanded notion of derivative work, basically claiming that any work built on top of Unix is owned by Unix, even if there is no actual code in common. If SCO's claims here are correct, then simply replacing the code won't help, because this is extensive portions of Linux and the new code, being functionally equivalent, would also be derivative of the original work. Or so SCO claims.

All of these claims rely on an expansive notion of derivative copyright which may not hold up in court. That is certainly a big part of the reason why SCO is not hurrying into court. They will do much better selling Unixware licenses to Linux users than they will suing Linux users.

What if you found out something you had a hand in was now the basis of a multibillion-dollar empire?

That's a weird question. SCO didn't have a hand in any of the code in question; they bought it. There is no multibillion-dollar empire anywhere in sight, unless you mean IBM, and Linux is certainly not the basis of IBM's money.

More to the point, even the code which SCO bought is not the basis for Linux in any meaningful fashion. The direct copying which they have alleged is, they admit, small chunks of code, and Linux is comparatively huge. The derivative copying which they allege that IBM has done is not their work at all--IBM and Sequent could have developed their code just as easily using *BSD or even Linux in the first place.

While SCO may possibly win in court--I doubt it, but it's possible--I don't think their claims have any moral standing whatsoever. They are exploiting the legal system in the name of pure greed, not in the name of justice.

Re:What if SCO wins? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6547057)

So,
While 5 years SCO had the code under their eyes, they participate to the project where the code was injected, they add SMP management to this project, they participate with IBM to enhance this project and to port it on other architectures.

Ok they didn't own the rights of Unix at this time but, they didn't tell the Unix right's owner that they have found a similarity in the Unix and Linux code. Why ?

Ok they didn't have the code under their eyes at this time...

But now, how they can prove that's not them who inserted the code ?

A coment or single line fo code is the same? (1)

linuxislandsucks (461335) | more than 11 years ago | (#6547097)

A comment or single line of code exactly the same prove snothing in big realm of things..it doesn't even prove copyright infringment!

THat is right copyright infringment refers to the development process to procude that code and comments on the underlying coments and code itself!

So the heart of the SCO matter is the IBm dev process did it infringe or not..given the large contributions from SCO itslef in all areas it claims IBM infringed on..it seem smost unlikely that IBM infringed..

More likely that SCO Managment decided they did not like past directions of codd devleopers from Caldera and decided to sue someone to produce some more FUD..

Gay anal sex (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546792)

I like gay anal sex

We've missed you Jon Katz! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546859)

Glad you're back. Hope porking Taco is all you want it to me. His anus is too loose for me.

Why SCO UNIX is a bad idea. (4, Insightful)

James A. A. Joyce (681634) | more than 11 years ago | (#6546793)

SCO does not have any kind of intellectual property claim to UNIX. Therefore, claiming ownership of it will make them look like criminal idiots.

And as a server OS, SCO UNIXes are worse since not all of them (yes, they do have all different kinds - even worse) support such things as IPv6 or ACLs which any modern day operating system such as Linux should have. And they're attempting to sue Linux programmers? Who incidentally implemented features they don't have? Hmmm...

Besides, this article has nothing to do with the SCO lawsuit, editors. It's about comparing SCO to other Unices. (Though I presume everyone will make a comment about that anyway.)

ROFL LOLOLOL OMG HAHAHAH ROTFL LOLOL LOL (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546833)

modern day operating system such as Linux

ROFL LOLOLOL OMG LOL

Re:ROFL LOLOLOL OMG HAHAHAH ROTFL LOLOL LOL (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546931)

What an ignorant moron. The cluster of Web and database servers that run Slashdot (the servers you just posted your comment to), along with Google and the DNS for Microsoft's site all run Linux, which has more than earned the right to be called modern.

Re:ROFL LOLOLOL OMG HAHAHAH ROTFL LOLOL LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546966)

As opposed to Archaic such as MVS (mainframe) or Vax/NT/XP (which are based on 60's technology).

Re:Why SCO UNIX is a bad idea. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546851)


And as a server OS, SCO UNIXes are worse since not all of them (yes, they do have all different kinds - even worse) support such things as IPv6


IIt's not like the ISP is trampling down your door offering IPv6, is it?

Re:Why SCO UNIX is a bad idea. (4, Insightful)

Ian Lance Taylor (18693) | more than 11 years ago | (#6547050)

SCO does not have any kind of intellectual property claim to UNIX.

I think SCO is the villain here, but let's not go too far. SCO certainly does have an intellectual property claim to Unix. Thanks to Congress, copyright lasts, for practical purposes, forever, and SCO has purchased the copyright rights to the original Unix code.

If you meant to say that SCO doesn't have an intellectual property claim to the word Unix, or to published standards for Unix-type operating systems (e.g., POSIX or Unix98), then I agree.

The SCO Linux Game (5, Funny)

Cyno01 (573917) | more than 11 years ago | (#6546799)

You play as SCO. [lycos.com]

Re:The SCO Linux Game (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546817)

I kept poking for a solid 5 minutes, suggesting that the Linux community is slow to act on such issues.

Re:The SCO Linux Game (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546976)

poke faster

Re:The SCO Linux Game (1)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 11 years ago | (#6547062)

That's what his girlfriend keeps telling him. Oh, wait, he's on Slashdot...all his girlfriend tells him is her %download status ;)

Where are the graphs? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546801)

Who cares about "feature comparison" and stuff like that.. I want benchmarks! I want to look at the pretty pictures!

everybody talkin bout cock (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546809)

cock, cock, cock music!

SCO (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546815)

This [arizona.edu] is me while i fight against SCO UNIX.

Welcome to /usr/local/bin/kazaa (-1, Flamebait)

I Own A Business (692802) | more than 11 years ago | (#6546818)

One Reason (4, Insightful)

Valar (167606) | more than 11 years ago | (#6546820)

Well, the first thing I can think of is: SCO probably won't be around this time next year. So chances are, you're going to be out of luck for support, unless someone pops up to cover SCO support contracts (for a significant price, I'm sure).

Why I chose Sun (3, Insightful)

urbanRealist (669888) | more than 11 years ago | (#6546863)

I've been working on a proposal to implement a paperless office for a doctor in a hospital. After quite a bit of research, I decided that Sun was the way to go. They have some really cheap Intel severs right now, which is important because I'm trying to underbid competitors. The OS is already installed out of the box, which saves me time for real stuff like coding, and since one of the requirements for this was to last and be supportable for the forseable future, the fact that Solaris is not going to be phased out for something like Linux sold me. Of course military grade security is nothing to sneeze at when you're talking about a wireless network of private patient information.

Re:Why I chose Sun (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546962)

Of course military grade security is nothing to sneeze at when you're talking about a wireless network of private patient information.

It's also not sufficient.

You're either a liar, or an idiot. See, there's this thing called HIPAA. "Military-grade security" (whatever that means) is insufficient to satisfy the obligations placed on doctors by HIPAA.

So you're either just plain making stuff up, or you're completely out of your depth.

Re:Why I chose Sun (4, Informative)

dirkx (540136) | more than 11 years ago | (#6547016)

You really want to read up on HIPAA - as it requires quite a quite a few very specific things for medical/hospital use which just have absolutely nothing to do with the buzzword 'military grade security'.

In fact - there are a number of requirements in HIPAA with respect to accountability and privacy which run rather counter to the more traditional requirement/compromizes made in military systems where both hierachy and the desire to do counter-intelligence are fundamentally different. And thus each need its own set of engineering compromises.

This is why just sprinkle some 'trusted unix' as pixy dust - and pretend you are HIPAA compliant is just not working :-)

But seriously - do read up on it; the HIPAA standards (http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/hipaa/) are surprizingly readable and actually very preceise with clear lists of requirements. Almost a checklist.

Dw

Sick of optometry (4, Funny)

Ignominious Poltroon (654513) | more than 11 years ago | (#6546822)

I can't believe slashdot has posted another article about SCO, the Southern College of Optomertry [sco.edu] . I mean, optometry is geeky, but I come here to read about asteroids and anime.

WELCOME TO C:\RECYCLE (-1, Troll)

I Own A Business (692802) | more than 11 years ago | (#6546847)

Re:Sick of optometry (1)

gearheadsmp (569823) | more than 11 years ago | (#6546900)

When I was downtown several weeks ago, I saw "SCO" on a building. I almost laughed outloud until I remembered it was the college of which you speak.

But... (2, Insightful)

zifty (692892) | more than 11 years ago | (#6546827)

Things that aren't completely open source are a bad idea.

At least, that's what I'm conditioned to think, and so far it's worked out.

Re:But... (2, Insightful)

CubeDude213 (678340) | more than 11 years ago | (#6546891)

Just because something is not completely open doesn't mean it's a bad idea. What about the iPod operating system? It's not open. Sure, a lot of open source projects(Apache, PHP) are awsome and pretty much the standard, but other closed products are also awesome and setting the standard.

Suddenly... (2, Funny)

gearheadsmp (569823) | more than 11 years ago | (#6546829)

Suddenly SCO's web servers seem to have melted into puddles of molten metal and crispy silicon.

Re:Suddenly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546836)

Dear Slashdot,

Keep trying [sco.com] .

Yours truly,
Darl McBride.

Re:Suddenly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546947)

Mr. McBride,

Are you know employing Slashdot editors to proof read your site? [sco.com]

Your truly,
AC

Not only that... (1, Funny)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 11 years ago | (#6547030)

SCO UNIX has been known to make machines explode for no reason at all. I used SCO UNIX for a couple of years and it made my penis shrink 3 inches! That's right people, SCO UNIX MAKES YOUR PENIS SHRINK! SCO is soley responsible for the weak support beans that caused the World Trade Center to collapse. Use of SCO UNIX has been known to cause spontaneous herpes. Adolph Hitler is reputed to have used SCO UNIX on his IBM counting machines. SCO UNIX is responsible for all the disease, hunger and misery in the world. All of the above is completely false and made up by me. Oh, by the way, the platform is also the most awful and badly programmed UNIX platform that it has ever been my misfortune to use.

"Has a bit of a chip on his shoulder" (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546831)

So he should fit right in at slashdot, right?

---

Eagerly waiting to see what kind of outlandish thing SCO will do tomorrow.. they have to do something dramatic every monday, you know, or they'll fall out of the news...

SCO *is* the only true Unix. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546837)

And Timothy Dalton is the only true Bond, and Deep Space Nine is the only true Star Trek, and Attack of the Clones is the only true Star Wars, and vi is the only true editor, and MySQL is the only true open source database.

That's all settled now. You're welcome.

Re:SCO *is* the only true Unix. (1)

sulk (686435) | more than 11 years ago | (#6546908)

Timothy Dalton should win an Oscar, and beat Sean Connery over the head with it!

I take Issue with all those statements except (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6547085)

the one about vi being the only true editor. It is. But Timothy Dalton? Jeez, you could at least have said George Lazenby.

SCO (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546838)

I have used lots of OSes in the 5 years I've used computers, and I see the same thing crop up throughout all of them. People who are using one particular OS think they are better than the people using other OSes. This was happening way before linux surfaced. Take Mac OS. I've had 10 macs, and tons of PCs. To tell you the truth about using either, I don't care which one I use. Some people swear by the Mac OS and Steve Jobs and say the same things about Windows users that linux users say. Windows users say the same things about Mac OS or linux. To tell you the truth, I think not only linux sucks, but EVERY OS sucks. Every OS crashes. Every OS pisses you off at some point. Every OS can't do something that some other OS can do. Every OS has it's strong points. Every OS has it's bad points. EVERY OS SUCKS!!! I don't ever see my TI-82 crash. I don't see my Nintendo crash or tell me I have to install new drivers or libraries. Instead, I plug in a cartridge, turn it on, and KNOW it's going to work, instead of figuring out how I'm going to get it to where I can HOPE it's going to work. Like I said, I've ran lot's of OSes, and I think they are all a bunch of crap. I've not gotten things to run in linux. I've not gotten things to run in Windows. I've not gotten things to run in Mac OS. Does this make me an idiot? To some linux users, yes. They think that they're bad asses cause they are using an OS that some people don't understand. This sounds like immaturity to me. I mean when it comes down to it, all anyone's really doing on computers nowadays (home users, keep in mind) is browsing the internet, sending email, chatting, playing games, and other stupid crap like that. You can do that all on a dreamcast or PS2! Why the need for a computer, or in particular OS. Oh I forgot, Linux has free C++ compilers. WHO THE HELL CARES BUT NERDY PROGRAMMERS? Wanna be a nerd, and sit at your computer all day, and tell people that you know more about computers than them cause you use linux? Go ahead! No ones stopping you. You are just proving that linux will never evolve, because heck, look at the type of people using it! It's not because you all KNOW linux is better, but because you were TOLD it was better and THINK it is better. Like I said, and will say again and again, ALL OSes suck. Not just linux. So don't take a bad stance on my opinion. I HATE ALL OSes. I shouldn't have to be using a computer and have it crash on me. My palm pilot doesn't crash. My TV doesn't crash. My microwave doesn't crash. Wanna know why? BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO MADE THESE THINGS THOUGHT ABOUT THE USERS, NOT THEMSELVES. Every OS crashes. What does this mean? THE PEOPLE WHO MADE THEM CARE MORE ABOUT THEMSELVES THAN THE USER. Did anyone ever think of that? You guys wanna all think your cool, go back to watching your highly compressed crappy quality streaming movies over the internet. I'll go back to watching DirecTV, which by the way, doesn't crash on me. All I'm trying to say here people, is that until computers become just a single thing, and computer, not a mac or a linux or unix box, or a wintel machine, they will never truly flourish. They will never get anywhere. Intel will just keep kicking up the megahertz and amd will follow. And all the end users will argue about which is better. It's all just pointless. When will computers become just computers, without the tagging of megahertz and ram and hard drive space. When will they just do what they are supposed to do, and do it quickly? When will they become another appliance? I think GNU/Linux is a step into the Way Back machine. I've been using UNIX since 1983 in a myriad of flavors. GNU/Linux is nothing more than Yet Another kernel with all the GNU tools from any other UNIX system. If Linux is a killer, why aren't FreeBSD and other BETTER designs being promoted? In the real world, UNIX is an option, along with VMS or NT or MVS or any other systems that run the software I and/or my company needs. GNU/Linux is just UNIX. If UNIX already works, then Linux is fine. If it doesn't fit my needs, then heck, Linux is a no-go. For use at my home, my wife (PhD in AI) gave up on Linux after a week or so and *asked* for WinNT to go back on. I think this shows that UNIX in the form of GNU/Linux doesn't necessarily equate to a success where people would make most use of it. Right now my needs are met by NT, which despite howls from people blinded by childish zeal is a good quality system that addresses all of our requirements and is impressively stable in my experience. I recall trashy UNIX systems in many flavors - so I'm not blinded to the shortcomings that took 25 years to be addressed. My ideal system? an open-source development of DEC's VMS running on a mach kernel. Your needs and idealism may take you elsewhere. Linux sucks because it diverts work on an open-source VMScluster, which would be a much better system - but the only system the children know is what they played with at Universities - UNIX

Re:SCO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546914)

In all your experience did you ever use a break tag!!

Re:SCO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546979)

Heh, not just a cut-n-paste troll, but a lazy one.

Re:SCO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6547008)

I'd like you to introduce you to one of my best friends:

Mr. Paragraph Break.

I suggest you get to know Mr. Paragraph Break, there's a lot like you could learn from him.

A joke for you (2, Informative)

Charlton Heston (588481) | more than 11 years ago | (#6546855)

(from the article) When people think of server UNIX, they think of SCO. hhahahahaha. Mod +5 funny.

I usually think of Sun, or HP, or AIX. But not SCO.

What exactly is UNIX anymore... (1)

Azadre (632442) | more than 11 years ago | (#6546856)

"An OS can contain no UNIX System V source code and still be a trademarked UNIX."

Re:What exactly is UNIX anymore... (5, Informative)

MULTICS_$MAN (692936) | more than 11 years ago | (#6547031)

UNIX is a registered trademark of the Open Group in the United States and other countries. UNIX is available as a branding for operating systems which are certified by the open group to comply to various levels of the Single Unix Specification, a national and international standard. One such system, compliant at Unix95 level is OS/390 by Ibm with compatability extensions. This system is stated by the Open Group to not be derived from any AT&T code. You can find out more about the Single Unix Specification and UNIX in general at www.unix.org. While you're there you can familiarize yourself with the terms of their "license."

Addendum (5, Funny)

tds67 (670584) | more than 11 years ago | (#6546868)

UnixWare and OpenServer are the only Unixes that I have listed in this article that...require you to pay for per-seat user licenses...

...no matter what operating system you're running.

I think I will switch to SuSE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546875)

I think I will switch from RedHat to SuSE. Here is an excerpt from the article:
"Red Hat also seems a bit overhyped. For all the money you'd pay for Red Hat Enterprise AS, you sure don't get any advantages over the cheaper and more powerful SuSE. Speaking of SuSE, it's an excellent solution for your entire infrastructure. From the secretary's PC to the mail and file servers, you won't be disappointed with the products that SuSE has. If you're interested in GNU/Linux, SuSE should be a prime consideration."

Headline Mod (5, Funny)

oO0OoO0Oo (548702) | more than 11 years ago | (#6546881)

Why SCO UNIX Is A Bad Idea

(Score:-1, Redundant)

Re:Headline Mod (1)

glassesmonkey (684291) | more than 11 years ago | (#6547026)

Seriously, can I mod down any post/headline/reply with any references to "SCO"?

sig line source / meaning? (2, Interesting)

timothy (36799) | more than 11 years ago | (#6547109)

oO0OoO0Oo:

"We Are Familiar With Elephants By Virtue Of Their Size" -- that sounds like something that should be familiar, but isn't. Is this the basis of a mnemonic device? Did I spell the mn-word correctly? I wonder if there's an easily-remembered sentence with words whose first letters spell out the right version ;)

timothy

Missing? (4, Interesting)

BWJones (18351) | more than 11 years ago | (#6546883)

The article is missing the single largest UNIX distribution in terms of licenses shipped, OS X [apple.com] . Of course this begs the argument made on Slashdot before [slashdot.org] , but given that I run much *nix code on my OS X boxes, many with a simple recompile, it's UNIX to me.

Re:Missing? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546938)

The problem with OSX is the pricing. You have regular price increases and need to buy a new OS every year. Hell, Jaguar has only been out 11 months and now it's dead. Who are you going to go to for support after Panther comes out?

For long term use a product with a lifetime more than a year or two is absolutely mandatory. Once you have a working system, stick to it. It's not as easy with OSX as it is with other systems.

So skip a version... (2, Informative)

Big Sean O (317186) | more than 11 years ago | (#6547027)

So skip a version or two. It won't kill you.

I went from Mac OS 10.0 to Jaguar. The world didn't end...

Support isn't that much of an issue. Most of the support issues happen at the beginning of the products lifespan, not at the end.

I know someone who has run Mac OS 9 for at least 3 years. She's got the programs she needs and she never has a problem.

Stop feeding the beast and you'll find you won't miss it as much.

Re:Missing? (4, Informative)

mcc (14761) | more than 11 years ago | (#6547083)

There have been no price increases. None. Mac OS X has held steady at roughly $130 per release since version 10.0.

You don't *have* to buy the new version. The old ones continue to work perfectly well. People generally upgrade because they want to.

The sole reasons for NEEDING to upgrade circle around application support (Well, and the relatively poor performance of OS X previous to 10.2. If you want to bitch about THAT, I won't stop you, but that is in the past.), as some applications use API enhancements that only work with a certain OS X version or later. However, from what I have seen, this is ONLY a problem with 1) Free software, either iApps from apple or software from the freeware/shareware community, and 2) Incredibly high-end software that you are paying well, well more than $130 for anyway. Outside of those two sets of applications, OS X app vendors have been relatively good about supporting a spread of OS X versions. The Mac OS 10.3 developer tools, incidentally, contain new features specifically designed to make it easier to target multiple Mac OS X versions. You can hardly complain of having to pay money every year and a half so that you can continue to use free software.

"Having a working system and sticking with it" isn't really an issue since historically, Mac OS X upgrades have not broken existing software, and thus required little change in your system upon upgrade. If you don't like sitting every year and a half through an hour's worth of install procedure.. uh.. well.. then, sorry.

OS X upgrades are comparable to Windows upgrades, when you consider that, as far as i can tell, Microsoft OS upgrades are rarer but cost more. OS X pricing cannot of course compare to linux pricing no matter WHAT apple does.

Upgrading every time Apple releases an OS upgrade is an added cost, but it is not a significant cost when you realize you are ALREADY probably paying a decent amount more money for your computer than you would be with an x86 box merely to be able to run OS X in the first place!

Re:Missing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546957)

single largest UNIX distribution in terms of licenses shipped

I've seen this claim bandied about often, but still no numbers to back it up. Care to show some figures? I strongly suspect Linux systems outnumber OSX by an order of magnitude (perhaps slightly less).

Re:Missing? (2, Informative)

Valar (167606) | more than 11 years ago | (#6547036)

Well, linux is not unix. Technically... though this article seems to believe otherwise. Several of the BSDs (though I'm not sure which, FreeBSD and NetBSD maybe) have ancestries which can be traced back to real unix. Linux is more closely related (at least in terms of origin) to *shutter* Minix.

Re:Missing? (2, Interesting)

rendermaniac (688883) | more than 11 years ago | (#6547023)

It's also missing IRIX. Why is this never mentioned. I think it is system V based isn't it?

Re:Missing? (4, Informative)

mcc (14761) | more than 11 years ago | (#6547103)

If I remember right, The Open Group has revoked Apple's use of the UNIX trademark [slashdot.org] , because Apple didn't feel like continuing to pay the certification fees anymore. They were an open-group certified UNIX at first, but not anymore.

This may or may not have been the article author's reason for not including Mac OS X. I'm not sure. He did seem to be gathering his list of UNIXes directly from the Open Group website, though.

*ahem* the article leaves some things out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546885)

Where's the Windows comparisons in the article? They're certainly good competitors to SCO Unix, and by the look of SCOs ridiculous pricing, cheaper.

There can be only one true Satan. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546917)

If you suggest otherwise then you are going straight to hell. To hell I say.

Very simple reasons (5, Insightful)

Crashmarik (635988) | more than 11 years ago | (#6546892)

The reason sco is a very bad choice for current projects is it hasn't been alive for quite some time.

Most people complain about the lack of driver support in Linux and BSD but its positively nonexistent in SCO. USB, SATA, Firewire, Sound, Video, high end nic's, backup devices the support isn't there. VMware and Virtual PC both won't support SCO. BOCHS will but only with an incredible amount of effort. This situation is not going to improve especially after SCO's recent actions. If you develop drivers are you going to develop for a company likely to sue you for porting your code ???

There is the further "I am stupid take advantage of me" effect in dealing with 3rd party vendors. If you are implementing on SCO 3rd party vendors figure you are a mark and should be mercillessly taken advantage of. Their rational is that you are obviously trapped in a legacy system and have no ability to move. The licensing schemes for products on SCO open server can be so draconian as to destroy business.

So yes why would you go with SCO, its not a software company any more. Its a protection racket.

SCO you suck! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546898)

Your claims are false.
Your company has no ideas at all.
You are going bankrup.
Your directors are into kiddie porn.
You treat your employees like shit.
I really hate you.
Now sue me.

Re:SCO you suck! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546970)

This looks like a prayer...

Nice research! (3, Interesting)

corgicorgi (692903) | more than 11 years ago | (#6546919)

This article is very in depth. I agree with the arthur. UNIX comes in many different form nowadays, especially in the backend perspective. The appearance might look and feel similar, but each OS is very different in how it is implemented. SCO's "true UNIX" is but a propaganda phrase. At the end of it, it is just another form of UNIX. SCO should not have the rights to claim what is being developed by indenpendent companies and open-source communities.

Re:Nice research! (3, Insightful)

Tet (2721) | more than 11 years ago | (#6547001)

This article is very in depth.

Well yes, but it is far from "nice research". In fact, it's incredibly poorly researched and written. It's inaccurate, misleading and very biased. Sadly, this just serves to undermine the credibility of the valid points in the text.

Re:Nice research! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6547110)

I'm not disagreeing with you but what do you have a problem with? You can't just say the article is poor and leave it at that. What is wrong with it?

Irix? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546929)

Why no mention of Irix?

Long live SGI!!!

Meh (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6546935)

This article has one of its most important facts wrong. In the list of UNIX operating systems, there's no mention of IRIX, which is a UNIX98-certified and Open Group approved UNIX operating system.

I quit reading at that point. If the author can't be bothered to get the most basic (and trivially verifiable) facts right, why shoudl I waste my time reading what he has to say?

Mods: Troll Warning (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6547040)

According to SGI, Irix is only Unix95 certified. Please mod parent post into the ground.

Re: unix98 now or soon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6547104)

SGI IRIX either was UNIX98 certified very recently or will be within the year, I am not sure. Regardless, the author is completely wrong about Linux only going to 16 procs, as SGI has 64 processor systems.

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Nice but... (3, Informative)

gtshafted (580114) | more than 11 years ago | (#6546967)

There are a lot of technical articles of why not to cower to SCO... unfortunately I think the main audience is being ignored: executive, business people in charge of the cash money. I would think most techies know SCO is full of it. A lot of execs (but not all) don't and are pretty clueless. Sadly, I rarely see any articles on the Wall Street Journel or Forbes with this article's message.

*BSD non-genetic? (3, Insightful)

platipusrc (595850) | more than 11 years ago | (#6546987)

Some examples of non-genetic Unix operating systems are GNU/Linux and *BSD

I had to stop reading after that line. That line and his belief that people think of SCO software when people say Unix entirely undermines the credibility of this article in my opinion.

A chip on his shoulder?? (1)

imipak (254310) | more than 11 years ago | (#6547003)

<fawlty>A _CHIP_ on his shoulder??!! I should bleedin' well hope he's got a chip on his shoulder with SCO, the scum-sucking, low-life, degenerate, scabby, pea-brained, evil... *choke*
</fawlty>

author doesn't know what scalability is (3, Insightful)

drfireman (101623) | more than 11 years ago | (#6547013)

The author uses the term "scalability" to mean something like forward compatibility for hardware. Seems like an odd lapse.

MS is a major SCO shareholder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6547051)

The MS power engine just plannned ahead long enough to invest in SCO & then try to use it to disprute the linux competition. Nothing more , nothing less.

what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6547056)

At school, we used solaris. It was just common knowledge that that sco was the absolute worst unix. It was too different from every other flavour so it was like being off in your own world to use it. It was also a pain to install because it did everything its own way.

Story ignores big issues (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6547063)

This story seems to be primarily focused on operating systems features and seems to gloss over almost completely some of the basic reasons why people select the operating systems that they do: application availability and support.

If all you need is a commodity web server, then go for whats cheap and good like Linux or BSD. If you need an application to run a dentist office and have vendor support, you're probably going to be looking at SCO or Windows.

I find it curious that HP/UX wasn't discussed at all due the the fact that it isn't Unix 98 certified, but SCO, Linux, *BSD were. HP/UX is a major force in the Unix market whereas Tru64 Unix is on its way out.

I find the statement that GNU/Linux is not quite as scalable as the *BSDs are, but it's close to be very curious. Linux runs about anyplace NetBSD does, and runs on more CPUs. I don't know of any "Mainframe BSD", but Mainframe Linux is real.

Comparing stock AIX with Trusted Solaris 8 and calling them about equal? I don't think so.

Digital Unix used to have some fairly strong security tools with it for at least some things, but thats glossed over.

I think that it is also instructive that the article complains bitterly about the ~ $1,400-$8,000 price of SCO's products while saying nothing about the ~ $1,500 - $2,000 cost of Red Hat. Nor is there any discussion of the annual cost of Red Hat and SuSE enterprise support of up to $3,600/year per system!

A little SCO bashing doesn't help either ...

Furthermore the company is highly unstable, having gone through a long period of financial loss before deciding to blackmail corporate GNU/Linux users with legal threats backed by invisible and baseless claims. To add to it all, SCO refused to respond to any of my queries about product features, leading me to believe that most of their information is mindless propaganda. In short, the company stinks, their products stink, and you'd be insane to buy one of their operating systems for any environment, let alone a corporation with sensitive and important data. SCO may be the "true" Unix, but it's also the weakest.

I think that there is more smoke than fire in that article; it's interesting but not authoritative, and marginally useful.

SGI 64 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6547087)

Why does everyone out there forget that SGI is unmatched leader in SMP and ccNUMA scalability? They first tested a 64 processor O2000 running linux three years ago and have been selling 64 proc Itanium systems since earlier this year. The author says that linux 2.4 is limited to 16p. Clearly it is not.

Unix History Time Line (5, Informative)

thepacketmaster (574632) | more than 11 years ago | (#6547090)

This site, http://www.levenez.com/unix/ [levenez.com] , has an historical timeline of *ALL* the Unix variants. One thing I don't see is anything crossing over from SCO to Linux. I do see SCO taking some stuff from Linux. Maybe Linus is owed some royalties?

You bastards! (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 11 years ago | (#6547092)

You slipped another SCO story passed peoples filters by using the Unix icon. Cheeky monkeys.

OT: New Worm? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6547094)

Hey, I'm noticing a lot of IIS sites getting hosed today, returning Server Application Error pages. Anyone know of any new worms or anything going around today?

Good Article. Informative. IBM,SUN, SUSE.. (1)

zymano (581466) | more than 11 years ago | (#6547095)

The conclusion is what i read first , then i skim over the article . I liked the point about Ibm, Hp, Sun, Suse being good. Suse being better value than redhat was some good info. The article really was just about that the term 'UNIX' means nothing anymore. You shouldn't just buy an operating system because of history because times have changed.
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