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2191.78 Years for the RIAA to Sue Everyone

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the thats-a-lotta-legal-fees dept.

Music 636

este writes "According to an article in the Inquirer, if the RIAA maintains its rate of lawsuit issuance, it will take more than two millenia for them to sue evey P2P file trader. The author accounts for many additional difficulties facing the RIAA in this daunting task."

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636 comments

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6559161)

Sue me

FP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6559164)

First post cha cha cha!

Re:FP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6559356)

You're a loser cha cha cha!

At that rate... (2, Funny)

mattyohe (517995) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559165)

They probably will sue everyone about 1000 years after the earth crashes into the sun.

Re:At that rate... (1, Funny)

Mindwarp (15738) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559174)

Wow, there'll be some REALLY rich lawyers living out on Pluto by then!

Re:At that rate... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6559190)

and it only took them a nansecond to prove they are all a bunch of greedy dickheads.

Re:At that rate... (4, Funny)

Doesn't_Comment_Code (692510) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559222)

From the article: 219 years! They'd have to sue our great grand children!

I wouldn't put it past the RIAA. Imagine how much money our grandchildren will have. They can pay it all in damages to the RIAA with interest.

Maybe they will make vague SCO threats against our grandchildren telling them to pay for their grandparents licensing, or face litigation.

Re:At that rate... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6559268)

They probably will sue everyone about 1000 years after the earth crashes into the sun.

Wont happen. The Earth is a world without end. Isaiah 45:17, Ephesians 3:21

Sounds like a profit model to me... (4, Interesting)

EvilTwinSkippy (112490) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559170)

Hell one could make a career from dragging out litgation. Look at the folks at Caldera, er, SCO.

Re:Sounds like a profit model to me... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6559187)

Actually the counting model is flawed. You should also consider the fact that every year new P2P traders will be born and they will start distributing the stuff at about 15 years of age.

Thus the cases RiAA has would to deal with would grow exponentially every year.

Re:Sounds like a profit model to me... (5, Funny)

EvilTwinSkippy (112490) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559273)

On the contrary. Humans expire just like copyrights. What are they going to sue, the person's heirs?

No wait, don't answer that...

Re:Sounds like a profit model to me... (5, Funny)

Rhubarb Crumble (581156) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559289)

Thus the cases RiAA has would to deal with would grow exponentially every year.

And so would the amount of damages they could (potentially) claim.

Which basically means that the RIAA can stop publishing music altogether and just turn itself into a consortium of lawyers. After all, with infinite future income (from damages) guaranteed by Congress and Disney Corp., how can they lose!

Re:Sounds like a profit model to me... (3, Funny)

i8urtaco (663163) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559287)

And we had to program in the snow! Uphill! And every five minutes we'd have to give the hamster inside the power supply an electric shock to start his heart, but that was only after we kick started the backup motor!

I'm sorry, I just couldn't resist.

Re:Sounds like a profit model to me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6559298)

"Back in my day I had to write games in BASIC, on a 4.7Mhz computer with no hard disk and 128K of RAM. And I was grateful"

Newcomer, eh? How about BASIC on a 1 Mhz machine with no hard disk, no floppy, and 16K of RAM and a tape deck? Or, even further back - Fortran and punch cards?

Re:Sounds like a profit model to me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6559330)

oh! oh! oh! sliderule!! sliderule!!

Why even try? (4, Insightful)

mschoolbus (627182) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559176)

As put by Rage Against the Machine:

"You can kill the revolutionary, but you can't kill the revolution."

Re:Why even try? (5, Informative)

KReilly (660988) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559236)

This is assuming that
A) They actually maintain this level of lawsuits, they could easily step up the amount.
B) All file sharers remain online, I read a while back that their has been a dip in kazaa usage since the start of the lawsuits.

They never intended to sue everyone that uses p2p, they are intending to scare everyone out of using p2p.
Put simply, if they sued half, I could almost guarentee the other half would stop. Thus cutting their time to 1 millenia

Re:Why even try? (2, Informative)

M. Silver (141590) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559371)

A) They actually maintain this level of lawsuits, they could easily step up the amount.

Maybe not... didn't one of the court workers get quoted as saying they had to bring in extra help just to handle the stuff that's being filed now?

Re:Why even try? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6559241)

Just wait until the RIAA tries to sue you for quoting a band signed to a RIAA label.

Maybe sooner? (0, Redundant)

gTsiros (205624) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559182)

What if they hire "High-Speed" Lawyers?

Or the /. favorite:

Imagine a Beowulf cluster of lawyers!

When am I gonna get served? (5, Funny)

JDark (512354) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559184)

Great.. with my luck I'll be served in the first 200 years.

Article text (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6559188)

RIAA will take 2191.78 years to sue everyone

Sum hope

By INQUIRER staff: Tuesday 29 July 2003, 10:31
READER MICHAELA STEPHENS says that if the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) is right and that 60 million US folk are file sharing, it's going to take the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) a mighty long time to get round to them all.

She said: "I pulled out my calculator to see just how long it would take the RIAA to sue all 60 million P2P music file traders at a rate of 75 a day. 60,000,000/75 = 800,000 days to subpoena each person or 800,000 days/365 days in a year = 2191.78 years to subpoena each person".

Michaela points out that it's unrealistic to suppose that the RIAA will have any money left in 2191 years, and she even wonders whether the trade association will exist then.

Plus, she points out, given the rate of tech advancement, it's likely that we'll have moved on to many different types of music media in even a hundred years.

She continues: " So let us consider more realistic numbers. The RIAA plans to sue thousands of file sharers. Working in increments of 5000: 5,000 people/75 subpoenas a day = 66 days How are they going to keep track of all these lawsuits going on? 10,000 people/75 subpoenas a day = 133 days or about 2/3 of a year.

"Keep in mind suing 10,000 people is still only going to impact only one six thousandth (1/6000) of the file traders out there. And who is getting rich off of this? The lawyers. Betcha not a single musician will see a cent of this money.

"15,000 people/75 subpoenas a day = 200 days (1 out of every 4000 affected) 20,000 people/75 subpoenas a day = 266.6 days (1 out of every 3000 affected)

"When might this actually start affecting us? When 1 out of every 10 is affected? That would mean they'd have to sue six million people. That would take,...(6,000,000/75 = 80,000)... 80,000 days.. or 219 years! They'd have to sue our great grand children!"

if their objective is to sue everyone (2, Insightful)

civilengineer (669209) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559191)

then, it will take two millenia. They want to just terrorize the significant majority from sharing MP3 and I guess about an year is enough for this.

It's the deterrent, stupid. (5, Insightful)

LazloToth (623604) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559193)

It's not about getting them all - - it's about nailing a few and scaring the rest. State highway patrolmen are effective pulling over maybe one of every several thousand cars that pass. Ditto, in principle, for the RIAA.

Re:It's the deterrent, stupid. (5, Funny)

darien (180561) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559226)

It's not about getting them all - - it's about nailing a few and scaring the rest

Reminds me of my days in that co-ed dorm.

Re:It's the deterrent, stupid. (1)

LazloToth (623604) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559304)

ROFLMAO

Re:It's the deterrent, stupid. (5, Insightful)

Dutchmaan (442553) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559234)

It's not about getting them all - - it's about nailing a few and scaring the rest. State highway patrolmen are effective pulling over maybe one of every several thousand cars that pass. Ditto, in principle, for the RIAA.

...and yet people still speed regularly.

Re:It's the deterrent, stupid. (5, Insightful)

91degrees (207121) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559284)

...and yet people still speed regularly.

Whereas if they didn't pull anyone over for speeding, even mnore people would speed, and probably speed a lot more. I know I stick to the speed limit because I don't want a ticket. I don't think I'm the only one.

Re:It's the deterrent, stupid. (4, Funny)

Dutchmaan (442553) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559345)

So in essence the RIAA uses tactics of a police state... I'm sure glad they don't have influence in our government! (for the humor impaired that was tongue in cheek)

Re:It's the deterrent, stupid. (1)

paradesign (561561) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559344)

no, i just keep up with the flow of traffic! everyone else is doing it, why shouldnt i?

Re:It's the deterrent, stupid. (1)

silas_moeckel (234313) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559365)

The better question is enforcing a law the hurts nobody make any sence? Granted I'm all for if your speeding and get into an accident it's your fault but otherwise there is no downside outside of some rampant eco complaints.

Re:It's the deterrent, stupid. (5, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559256)

and amazingly enough it doesn't deter anyone. Have you been on a highway recently? Average speeds are in the low 80s.

Fines are usually in the $150 range for speeding (which could possibly kill someone).

Fines for downloading music are $750 to $150k PER OFFENSE.

That's just wrong.

Re:It's the deterrent, stupid. (5, Informative)

dlur (518696) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559343)

The fines aren't between $750 and $150,000 per offense. These people are being sued for that amount in civil court cases. The vast, vast majority of these cases aren't criminal cases, they're civil. Huge difference. If they were criminal cases you'd pay a fine and go to jail for a while, but you'd also get a court appointed lawyer if you couldn't afford one and have the option of a jury trial.

In a civil case there's not much for a limit on damages and no governmental checks and balances on what those limits are. So basically the RIAA can almost literally sue the pants off you for doing something that doesn't physically hurt anyone and just has minor monetary effects on their being. Isn't America great?

-1, Missed the point (1)

CowboyMeal (614487) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559281)

The point of it isn't that they can't sue everyone, it is to give some perspective on the number of people that are filesharing.

Re:It's the deterrent, stupid. (1)

Bishop923 (109840) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559295)

And of course everyone on the road maintains the speed limit at all times...

Highway Patrol might be effective in slowing traffic when they are immediately present, but it doesnt stop someone from slamming on the gas as soon as they are out of sight. Same goes for the RIAA, File trading may slow as long as the lawsuits are publisized(and successful), but the instant the media tires of the story it will pick up again. (Not that it has really slowed, Kazaa still has like 5 Petabytes of data available on average...)

Re:It's the deterrent, stupid. (2, Interesting)

EvilTwinSkippy (112490) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559307)

Actually traffic fines are also a significant form of income for small towns. In PA it got so bad they passed a law that forbade anyone but the State Police from using RADAR.

Re:It's the deterrent, stupid. (4, Insightful)

Bonker (243350) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559315)

Correct. The RIAAs goal here is to make a big deal out of what happens to the file sharers THEY sue.

Lawsuits have been mostly targetted at Verizon users and have been 'mysteriously' targetted away from AOL/Time Warner users. (Hmm... I wonder why?)

The goal here is to create a scare tactic. They want to be able to say 'If you share music, we'll do this to you!'.

Like TheInquirer said, though. Our current legal system just isn't up to prosecuting over a sixth of our population and probably isn't up to prosecuting over a thousandth. The RIAA companies KNOW they can't do anything about the reality of file-sharing. They also know that if they do much more, then they're going to start seriously alienating their customer base. (If they haven't already. I haven't spoken to ANYBODY about the recent lawsuits who didn't say they felt upset about ever buying records or CDs.) The only way they can acheive their goal is to create the peception of a new criminal class, and sadly for the RIAA, it's not working. CNN is running a story this morning more or less martyring Justin Frankel and talking about the bonuses of using WASTE.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/07/29/privat e.fileshare/index.html [cnn.com]

Even the people who are theoretically on the music industry's side-- CNN being yet another AOL/TW company-- are standing against the RIAAs wave of mass stupidity.

Umm, not quite (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6559195)

This article does not take into account the deterrent effect of the lawsuits. RIAA does not *have* to sue everyone, or even a significant fraction, in order to severely curtail online file swapping.

Prior art: (5, Funny)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559196)

Jason Fox [ucomics.com] has them flummoxed.

I've got time. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6559203)

2191.78 Years for the RIAA to Sue Everyone That means I'll stop using P2P in about...2191.78 years.

Re:I've got time. (1)

Chess_the_cat (653159) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559253)

2191.78 Years for the RIAA to Sue Everyone That means I'll stop using P2P in about...2191.78 years. Assuming you'd be dead last in the RIAA's list. The point is they don't actually have to sue everyone before people get scared. Once they start suing people successfully people will begin to stop. Some users have already disabled uploading on Kazaa. Even the EFF is recommending that.

Excellent! (5, Funny)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559207)

That means that everyone that their last name starts with a letter greater than B has absolutely nothing to worry about!

Stupid analysis (5, Insightful)

JohnGrahamCumming (684871) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559210)

That's a totally boneheaded analysis if ever I saw one. The RIAA does not have to sue every file trader, they just have to sue that ones with large caches of files (because they can get the biggest bang for the buck there... more files, more damages) and then they have to make a noise about what they are doing.

By suing a few, they'll scare the many and reduce file sharing to a background noise nuisance... at least that's what they hope. Their point is to be very public about the fact that they are willing to go after individuals so that many individuals will simply stop file sharing because they are afraid.

John.

Re:Stupid analysis (1)

Zelet (515452) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559309)

That is their aim, but all they are going to do is force file-traders into small encrypted networks. It won't take long.

Re:Stupid analysis (1)

perimorph (635149) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559333)

You're quite right, but people are afraid because they think "I could be next". The article simply shows how very unlikely it is to be Next, unless you're making too much noise on RIAA's radar.

Re:Stupid analysis (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6559336)

but it looks as if their targets are not limited to the larger sharers. mike@kazaa shared 9 files, and is now a target of a subpoena. [eff.org]

Mike

The real reason CD sales are down! (5, Insightful)

Wacky_Wookie (683151) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559211)

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/news_story.php?id=3654 4&rel

It turns out that it's the Record Companies themselves. It's not loss of profit that the RIAA is worried about anyway, it's always been about loss of controll. If the RIAA can't force the public to think the artists it hand picks are cool, then they can't be sure of profits from manufactured bands.

My .5 pence ;)

Re:The real reason CD sales are down! (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6559293)

It's not loss of profit that the RIAA is worried about anyway, it's always been about loss of controll

I've been saying that since they started complaining about Napster.

It seems rather obvious to me because they want to sell one artist's music to a million people, not a million artist's music to a million people. People claim they buy the music of the artists they like, but the RIAA doesn't care if you buy those albums they want you to buy the flavour of the month.

Yes, I realize (4, Funny)

TedCheshireAcad (311748) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559212)

I realize it's just humor, but the point of the RIAA's suits is to deter people from using p2p under fear that they will get sued.

But if there are 60 million p2p users, the probability of getting sued is pretty low, even if it does depend on the number of files you have shared.

Perhaps the next version of KaZaA will have a suit-o-meter, that will actively display your probability of being sued by the RIAA ;)

Re:Yes, I realize (1)

EvilTwinSkippy (112490) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559244)

Why does our world increaseing sound like a combination of "Logan's Run", "1984", and "Brazil"?

Article author doesn't take into account FUD (1)

donutz (195717) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559213)

Sure, it might take them two thousand years to sue every filetrader (assuming the number remains the same) but even if they only sue a hundred or a thousand people, I know that I'll think twice before downloading another song, legitimate (if I have a scratched CD, etc) or not: will they sue me because of it? Is it worth the hassle, and a multi-thousand dollar settlement? You don't have to sue everyone to scare everyone into submission, at least for a while...

Attacking the problem at the root (1)

argoff (142580) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559215)

The simple fact is that as long as people tell them that they have some kind of right to restrict what others copy, this is going to linger on. It should really encourage us more than ever to use p2p technologies like Freenet - eventually we can put them out of business.

Great grand children? (1)

SimReg (99053) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559216)

"219 years! They'd have to sue our great grand children!"

3 generations spanning 219 years? My grandparents are in their 70s, and they already have great grandchildren. It would seem w/ a new generation being born every 30 years (conservative guess in my family) that they'd have to sue our great-great-great-great-great grandchildren. Good luck RIAA.

But won't most of the copyrights expire by then? (5, Funny)

EvilTwinSkippy (112490) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559217)

Last I checked the copyright termes were 90 years after the death of the artist. Oh god, they must be planning on keeping the Backstreet Boys in suspended animation.

Should have read THAT on the contract before signing.

Re:But won't most of the copyrights expire by then (2, Insightful)

Rhubarb Crumble (581156) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559254)

Last I checked the copyright termes were 90 years after the death of the artist.

Except that next time you check, it will be 100 years. If you check in 10 years time, that is.

Basically, anything post Walt Disney will NEVER stop being in copyright.

"Steamboat Willy" was a crappy cartoon! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6559338)

Yes Virginia,
the Disney corporation is totally perverting copyright law for their own gain.

I told ya so (1)

xThinkx (680615) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559219)

I'm telling you, eventually the court system or the people will get tired of this and prevent them from filing any more lawsuits. THEN WE WIN.

Let them keep going, all it takes is one judge to say "not liable" or enough courts to say "this is not a viable means" and WE WIN

Who will they sue when they can't sue the p2p or it's users?

Re:I told ya so (4, Insightful)

KillerHamster (645942) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559297)

Who will they sue when they can't sue the p2p or it's users?

The ISPs.

Re:I told ya so (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6559327)

Uh huh

Just like when 12 guys gang rape and then murder your mother. They prosecute one or two and then the courts get bored of it and change the laws.

Yep, that's how it works.

Re:I told ya so (1, Troll)

JonathanBoyd (644397) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559350)

I'd be very concerned if the judicial system got tired of the law being enforced. At that point, no-one wins except criminals. And you didn't mean that by 'THEN WE WIN' did you?

Incorrect Math (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6559223)

The math used to arrive at 2191.78 years is incorrect. We must also account for a courthouse being capable of having multiple court sessions at one time. Let's say that the average court house can have 4 cases at a time, we'll call this 4X.

If the united states is capable of having one million court houses, each working at 4X then that's 4 million cases all at one time! At that rate it will only take one day!

What bothers me (3, Insightful)

phorm (591458) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559224)

Is not only are they at many times taking the law into their own hands (and somewhat frivolously I might add), but could also be tying up mass amounts of the legal system in such a venture. In the end, will hurt not only those being sued unjustly, but all of the country as the legal system gets bogged down by idiotic cases.

Re:What bothers me (1)

KillerHamster (645942) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559337)

It seems to me that this is the only realistic thing that can stop the RIAA. If the courts get so bogged down with these suits that they can't get any real business done, SOMEOME in the government will find a way to put a stop to it.

So says some clown from the EFF (1, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559228)

What a stupid article.

- the RIAA is not suing everybody, they're picking the most prolific sharers, not leechers

- they dont need to sue everyone, for every one they sue, they scare another dozen away.

It isnt legal, and isnt right, to put 1000 cd's up for download. It's no different than any other warez ring. I dont feel sorry for people caught doing it.

Re:So says some clown from the EFF (1)

x0n (120596) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559264)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't prolific leechers automatically prolific sharers (by default)?

- Oisin

A Different Approach... (5, Insightful)

mgcsinc (681597) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559229)

I'm gonna be the first to make some crazy numerical speculations to bring this number down to a more sensible time in which the RIAA can disable national file sharing. Please, these numbers are meant as argument-starters, so by all means, argue against them. Let's say of 75 people a day who are subpoenaed, 25 are scared shitless and settle. They each have 15 close friends each, who they also scare shitless, and who stop sharing (I say sharing, because it is those who are sharing who get subpoenaed, and they keep the networks alive). Also, publicity from the settlements brings 50 sharers down per settlement. That's 1650 sharers gone, per day. Then let's say 25 of those who are subpoenaed battle it out in court, and lose. A loss will have much larger publicity, so let's say we lose 200 sharers per loss, and the friend effect should bring down another 50 people a piece (think about seeing your friends lose thousands of dollars to the music industry after a court ordeal). That's 6275 sharers down per day. Finally let's say 25 people never see continued legal battle, or just win. That inspires 100 sharers to get back online, apiece. This all makes for 5425 sharers lost per day, net. Finally, there is an effect whereby sharers will be generally afraid of being subpoenaed in general. We can probably safely bet that for every 10% of the current sharing community which is subpoenaed, 2% of other sharers will be scared out of sharing, and that proportion would probably grow exponentially as the RIAA gains monster effect. Finally, consider that once the community loses more and more sharers, sharers are able to download less and less music in return for their contribution, and will share less and less. With all these effect coupled, I dare say that two millennia is a bit of a longshot...

Can they really DOS the court system? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6559231)

Let them try, instead why don't they create a music store WITHOUT DRM and WORKS ON LINUX and they will just sit back and watch the profits ROLL IN!

Re:Can they really DOS the court system? (1)

JonathanBoyd (644397) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559379)

Yes, because 90% of consumers run Linux and wouldn't share files if it wasn't DRMed.

Don't encourage them! (1)

operagost (62405) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559242)

They'll just step up their efforts. Frankly, all they need is a few high-profile lawsuits to scare off a lot of people who don't know any better.

hmm (1)

jazman (9111) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559248)

yeah, but one they've taken the big sharers out and spread FUD around a bit they won't need to get to everyone. Coppers don't have to fine all speeders; only a few, and as a result the majority of us obey the speed limit to within a few mph; generally they don't give a hoot about people doing 80 in a 70 unless there's something dangerous about it (patchy fog etc) but if you do 150 in a 70 then you've got a big target painted on you.

Besides, won't everyone shortly be moving over to Freenet and make tracing impossible?

If they were using linux (0, Troll)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559251)

It would only take about 10 years due to increased system stability and efficiency. We should be grateful for the small mercy of MS instability in this situation.

There is an obvious solution (3, Insightful)

heironymouscoward (683461) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559252)

And that is for the RIAA to use the P2P network to sue itself. Perhaps we will see an RIAA-sponsored feature in upcoming releases of W2K3: 'autosuit', in which your computer automatically formats you an appropriate lawsuit and sends a log of incriminating evidence to the RIAA.
Maybe the most effective resistance against the RIAA would be for 10,000,000 people to voluntarily go to the authorities and confess to having downloaded exactly 1 song. "I did it, and I can't sleep cause of the guilt, please punish me."
Kind of like burning ID passes in Apartheid South Africa. If everyone does it, punishments become unenforcable.

LL! (0)

bersl2 (689221) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559255)

I call Last Lawsuit!

RIAA is turning me pirate.. arrr (5, Interesting)

KrancHammer (416371) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559258)


I am a strong supporter of property rights, intellectual and otherwise (yes I know the IP rights situation is a bit more complicated). However, the RIAA's strongarm, bullying tactics are pissing me off. I would not vote for any politician who supported that organization. Yes, people have a right to make a dollar or thousand for their intellectual contributions, but people also have a right to such as "innocent until proven guilty," and "freedom from unwarranted search and seizure" and a dozen other rights the RIAA, MPAA, and their highly funded Washington lawmakers would trample on in the rush to stamp out music piracy. I used to have sympathy for the RIAA's viewpoint. No longer.

Re:RIAA is turning me pirate.. arrr (1)

Alkarismi (48631) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559320)

You're not the only one!
I have gone from spending a reasonable chunk on their warez each month to a conscientious objector purely on the strength of their insults. Talk about biting the hands that feed you...

No wonder... (1)

admbws (600017) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559259)

...they want to stretch the copyright duration out a bit...

Unfortunately they don't need that long... (4, Insightful)

Alkarismi (48631) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559263)

It is simply the chilling effect of the *threat* they are after.

You only need look as far as slashdot to see posts suggesting that kazaa et al usage is declining. Speaking with non-geek users of these services also shows that the threat is slowly being taken seriously.

Of course the **AA are merely playing King Canute as usual, in the long run suing the f*ck out of their customers will not restore their fortunes, merely delay the inevitable.

I used to spend several hundred a month on DVDs & CDs. Now... well I guess I never did like bullies much!

Imagine... (2, Insightful)

SharpFang (651121) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559265)

A guy has a gun pointed at crowd. Whoever goes to attack him, will be shot. If they rushed all, they would surely overpower him, but the first 2-3 would be killed, for sure. Who wants to be first?

RIAA doesn't need to sue everyone. Just some suitcases and "Who wants to be next?"

Population changes not accounted for (1)

perimorph (635149) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559270)

After skimming through the article, I don't think the author took into account the population changes (births, deaths) over the 2191 years. The RIAA would have to continuously sue the oldest filesharers first (in order to "make them pay" while they're still visiting this planet) while the younger generation continues to create an even younger generation to take its place.

Thus, the RIAA would need to increase its rate of filings to at least match the birth rate if they are to have any chance of ever suing every filesharer.

(Something like that, anyhow. I never studied statistics.)

There's a cheaper alternative... (1)

addie (470476) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559274)

Just put every 1 in 10 or so hardcore file traders in stocks in the public square for 18 hours a day, have them all listen to the mountain of pop fluff that they've been constantly downloading. Public humiliation beats lawsuits anyday!

Do they honestly expect to get any cash out of a 13 year old kid in his basement, trading 50 cent and Shakira tracks? I realize these lawsuits are meant to target the 'worst' of the filetraders, but quantity shouldn't define level of illegality, should it?

Question (2, Insightful)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559276)

of the 57M [or whatever the number of the day is] P2P users, how many are actually allowing people to download significant quantities of files?

I bet if the RIAA managed to stop say the top 5% of P2P "senders" they could cripple a network.

I dunno about you, but when I used P2P back in the day I didn't wait 8 hours for some lame as 56K to send me a music file.

Until P2P truly becomes a balanced network [e.g. everyone with decent speed] it will remain fairly easy to knock out a P2P usefulness.

Tom

Job Security (0)

_Sambo (153114) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559279)

Sign me up for law school!

An attorney can't go wrong in today's society.

(just kidding all you angry attorneys reading this who still owe $250,000 in student debt and are making $40,000 in a small town practice)

Distributed Sueing ! (3, Funny)

da5idnetlimit.com (410908) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559282)

In an unheard of move, the RIAA has decided to use a basic P2P scheme to have its law ordinance sent to everybody.

A cascade chain of Court Letters will be sent from Lawyer branch to Lawyer branch and only the lasts in the distribution tree will have to send the letters.

After the close observation, the RIAA has been put to court by Bittorrent inventor.

Also, the Courts are looking at this apparent pyramidal scheme as a new, innovative way to collect money from unsuspecting lusers.

See you later, this was AN, from Slashdot News Channel...

According to the NATIONAL Inquirer (1)

Ominous Coward (106252) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559310)

Hilary Rosen is 2191.78 years old, and will sue everyone personally.

Who says they're suing? (1)

Ironpoint (463916) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559313)

Last I heard they were only issuing subpoenas to get names/addresses from IP numbers. I haven't read anything about suing expect those four cases a couple months ago.

Think subpoena farming! (1)

Rares Marian (83629) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559314)

They could split us against each other. We could hope the report-on-people tactic strikes the American spirit as repulsive, couldn't we?

Couldn't we? Oh...

it just doesn't make sense. (1, Insightful)

tlacicer (515153) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559316)

How much money is the RIAA spending on chasing these people. The are trying to squeeze blood from a stone. They should worry more about the future of the record industry and start using new technology to help them rather then trying to stop the technology, which will never happen.

Record companies I believe at one time served a purpose, now with digital media and the internet, and cheaper production equipment I think they are going to start fading into part of our history.

This whole thing is pointless and scary to say the least.

Total control (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6559323)

once everybody is in jail.

Why not just put a barb wire fence around the USA?

The rest of the world will then be so much safer...

That's better than winning the lottery (2, Interesting)

NetDanzr (619387) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559326)

The chances of winning the jackpot in Mega Millions are 135,145,920 to 1. With $5 spent per drawing and 104 drawings per year, it will take me 259,896 years to win the jackpot.

In a sense, RIAA is betting on the right horse. They'll win their big jackpot 118.58 times faster than I'll do.

They'd have to sue our great grand children! (1)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559328)

They'd have to sue our great grand children!

Michaela says that as if she expects that they won't. Oh, yes. They will. They've developed a company called Life Extension (LE) that will store their physical bodies while allowing their minds to roam free, suing P2P users, their children, their children's children, etc.

Little Johnny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6559331)

I can just imagine if the RIAA was around 2000 years from now. They'd probably own rights to everything.

RIAA exec: Hi there Little Johnnie, I'd like to talk to you about potential copyright infringements, specifically your regular twice-a-day masturbation sessions.

Little Johnnie: Fuck off, George Jetson. I bought that porn with my 50cents that I earned mowing the neighbors lawn and I'm going to make it worth my money.

RIAA exec: I'm sorry, but I'm afraid you only purchased the rights to look at it. Masturbating while looking at porn constitutes an infringment on our rights.

Little Johnnie: What the hell are you talkin' about! I paid for that porn, and it's my weenie you're seeing here, and I'm going to do what I like with it, when I feel like it, and if you don't watch out I'm going to shove it right up your a***.

RIAA exec: Calm down, horny boy! We can settle this matter right away, if you do what you just suggested, and we will consider it a closed deal.

*WHAM* *WHAM*
adapted from earlier post

the solution is obvious (4, Funny)

leekwen (677248) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559340)

this is obviously too much for one person to handle. we need to create a distributed network among kazaa network users.

i will start by suing myself. you can help too by donating your spare cpu cycles towards our cause.

Tough luck (1)

kars (100858) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559342)

Tough luck for those whose last name begins with an 'A'. Mine begins with an 'M', so I should be safe for about another millennium... :)

Doing the math (4, Funny)

borkus (179118) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559347)

Let's see -
  • 60,000,000 defendants at ten defendants per attorney is
  • 6,000,000 attorneys at an average height of 5'8" is
  • 33,960,000 feet of attorneys laid end to end or
  • 6,400 miles of attorneys laid end to end

That's enough attorneys laid end to end to cover every sidewalk in New York [nycvisit.com] .

Sounds like a job for a P2P network (1)

danormsby (529805) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559349)

So if an artist plays a song to everyone who wants to listen to it it will probably take this amount of time too.

Surely some laywer will work this out, then distribute a self serving auto-sueing letter over Kazaa?!?

How are they sorting that list of offenders? (1)

BurKaZoiD (611246) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559351)

I hope to God they're not doing an ascending sort on that; that puts me near the top! Oh wait, all I download is pr0n. *Whew*

/fapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfap

are they going (1)

orange (12033) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559368)

to do it in alphabetical order?

Wouldn't it... (1)

Sir Haxalot (693401) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559377)

be a better idea for the RIAA to spend it's time/money on suing the P2P software companies rather than the actual P2P users? If you get rid of the source of the problem then not much can happen... plus it means if they're busy suing the companies they're not suing me ;)

Let A Man Do The Calculations (5, Funny)

tds67 (670584) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559378)

She said: "I pulled out my calculator to see just how long it would take the RIAA to sue all 60 million P2P music file traders at a rate of 75 a day. 60,000,000/75 = 800,000 days to subpoena each person or 800,000 days/365 days in a year = 2191.78 years to subpoena each person".

Hey babe, let me show you how a man calculates all this: After whipping out my sliderule and factoring in the size of the aforementioned subpoenis', I come up with 2200.25, a much bigger number.

May (1)

AnonymousCowheart (646429) | more than 10 years ago | (#6559380)

Maybe I'll be last, and won't get sued because there will be no one to share with. Or maybe they'll go after all the people who listen to good music first, then the p2p networks will cripple, having only Dick Cheese [richardcheese.com] on their network!
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