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repeat after me (5, Funny)

Neophytus (642863) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560632)

The list works. What a shame

Re:repeat after me (5, Funny)

LooseChanj (17865) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560672)

Except for the fact it doesn't. Just about the only person *not* exempted from calling people on the list is Homer and his auto-dialer.

Re:repeat after me (3, Informative)

capt.Hij (318203) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560741)

Caller ID works as welL. The thing that I find amazing is that with caller ID the industry still seems to thrive. The article stated that a significant portion of your telemarketing calls will be eliminated if you sign up for the do not call list. Since we got call waiting ALL of it has been eliminated!

Re:repeat after me (5, Insightful)

0x0d0a (568518) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560796)

Caller ID works as well.

The question then becomes *why* we should have to pay a service fee and do manual filtering to avoid being harassed in our own homes.

Heck, I can't figure out *why* we have to pay extra to have an unlisted number.

Caller ID doesn't work for ME. (1)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560847)

Maybe it's just that Sprint sucks. But a huge number of calls show no data on the caller ID. All tele-annoyer calls show no data. Most people that we expect to call us show at least the number, so we've started ignoring calls not showing data and letting them get dumped to voice mail.

In other words... (4, Funny)

Joey Patterson (547891) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560644)

will devastate business and cost as many as two million jobs Telephonus Marketroidae are getting closer to the Endangered Species List.

Re:In other words... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6560695)

The best thing I've seen on TV lately was a bunch of telemarketers standing outside near St. Louis, protesting the MO No Call list. They were worried they would lose their jobs. *Sniff*
I was moved to tears of joy.

Re:In other words... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6560699)

Don't say that!!! Then the government will require us to take at least 5 calls from them every night, and we'll get fined a ton of money if we hang up on them!!!

TowerDave

Re:In other words... (5, Interesting)

Doesn't_Comment_Code (692510) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560770)

The sad part about that two million jobs thing is that it's the entire legal basis of the suit. This is one in a string of lawsuits that are straying further from what's legal. Instead companies or class action groups just whine that they think something isn't fair. What's worse is that sometimes the courts go for it. If we keep going in this direction, there won't be laws or a constitution any longer. There will just be a judge who listens to two parties whine, until he proclaims the loudest one the winner.

I would like to see some legal basis behind this challenge. What rights does it infringe? Where does it protect these rights in the constitution? Remember that stuff? That's what court cases used to be about.

MOD PARENT UP (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6560819)

He makes good points. Does this mean we can sue India for taking away all our programming jobs?

Cost two million jobs... (5, Insightful)

pjack76 (682382) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560646)

...of two million people who could be doing something USEFUL for society instead.

Was there a constitutional right to profit that I missed?

Re:Cost two million jobs... (3, Insightful)

mark_lybarger (199098) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560721)

Is there a constitutional right to privacy that I missed?

i agree there might be more productive work, but it's not the governments right or responsibility to kill off an entire industry because that industry "bothers" some people.

Re:Cost two million jobs... (5, Insightful)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560799)

The govt didn't. They provided a means to an ends [e.g. DNC lists].

If the people don't want to be called that's *their* choice. Not the telemarketers.

That being said it often is more fun to toy with them then to hang up right away. Waste their time [which costs money] and mine [which costs TV viewing time].

The winner!

Tom

Re:Cost two million jobs... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6560832)

You, sir, are an idiot.

+1 Exactly +2 Agrees With Me ;^) (2, Insightful)

eugene ts wong (231154) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560735)

Was there a constitutional right to profit that I missed?
That's pretty much what I thought, when I read the story submission. I don't understand how they can even consider sueing as if we owe it to them to let them call us. They're lucky that they're not being banned.

Re:Cost two million jobs... (1)

nbarr (666157) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560747)

Actually, they will probably get themself USELESS again, doing something like spam or door to door nagging.

Annoying ways of marketing will allways exist, they will just adapt, unfortunetly

Re:Cost two million jobs... (4, Funny)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560816)

the constutional right to profit is right there in the bill of rights with the right to privacy...

Re:Cost two million jobs... (4, Insightful)

TamMan2000 (578899) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560829)

I agree, completely...

When I read this thing I was thinking that these 2 million people make a living by taking time from other people, and time is money... so basically they "earn" their incomes by taking a small amount of money from everyone. If they lost their jobs and went on welfare it would be exactly the same, and I would be happier too...

Hypocrites... (5, Interesting)

Gibble (514795) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560649)

I'm sure alot of people who work for telemarketers have their names on the list just so they don't get calls.

ah the old "we lose our industry" excuse (4, Insightful)

inteller (599544) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560650)

one could argue that they never had a viable industry in the first place. I mean sure they were born during the gee-whiz days of telephone technology, but yesterdays novelties are today's nuisances.

Re:ah the old "we lose our industry" excuse (3, Insightful)

Thuktun (221615) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560800)

Not to mention that the Telemarketing Industry is based on stealing small amounts of time from a vast number of people. I don't find it unexpected that (1) people adamantly reject this method of marketing in large numbers and (2) the Telemarketing Industry does not agree.

Taking something from an unwilling target is theft, it's just that theft of someone's attention hasn't been made illegal yet.

Organized Crime going out of business might well put tens of thousands out of work as well.

Re:ah the old "we lose our industry" excuse (4, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560815)

yesterdays novelties are today's nuisances

So true. *cough* Clippy *cough* ...
No wait, Clippy's been a nuisance from the start.

Better Now... (3, Interesting)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560653)

...then later, then. Seriously, it should have been tackled long ago. What I'd like the government to do is say "OK, we'll compensate for those being laid off, but the list is staying." THEN we'll see the true side of the telemarketters.

FYI - if you work in email spam, better start looking for a job now while you have a chance...

Re:Better Now... (1)

darkscorp (194918) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560760)

...then later, then. Seriously, it should have been tackled long ago. What I'd like the government to do is say "OK, we'll compensate for those being laid off, but the list is staying." THEN we'll see the true side of the telemarketters.


FYI - if you work in email spam, better start looking for a job now while you have a chance...

The real question is... why haven't these people been looking for jobs already. The writing has been on the wall for quite some time now -- Why are people so reluctant to see it?

Re:Better Now... (1)

arth1 (260657) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560854)

The telemarket droids are hanging on to their jobs and not seen the writing on the wall for the same reason that a large part of us slashdotters are hanging on to our tech-related jobs despite knowing that our jobs will most likely be outsourced in the future -- it's what we have, what we know, and there's darn few other jobs to choose from out there. Especially if you're allergic to canola oil.

Regards,
--
*Art

Re:Better Now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6560823)

In the UK, we've had a DNC list for a long time, and it works, after a fashion.

Despite this, call centres are still expanding (despite union concerns that call-centre jobs are being outsourced overseas). I presume this is because, instead of cold-calling folk to sell them stuff, they now take calls to help folk buy stuff.

In terms of jobs, I don't see a problem, but as a company, I'd be a little upset at having to ditch all those auto-diallers. But then I'd deserve to be.

Re:Better Now... (1)

0x0d0a (568518) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560851)

Why should I foot the bill because someone decided to take a job in an industry designed to annoy me?

In my view... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6560654)

It SHOULDN'T be profitable to cold-call people and annoy them at home.

Re:In my view... (1)

nbarr (666157) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560814)

Thats exactly what I think. If they keep doing it, is because lots of people are buying their products. People that actually ear the phone call until the end, and buy their products... imagine that.

Whats wrong with this people?!

Re:In my view... (1)

darkscorp (194918) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560825)

And yet there are other people who do this everyday... why not target other people in Sales or Stockbrokers.

Yawn. (5, Insightful)

palutke (58340) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560658)

Another industry with a doomed business model resorting to litigation to address its (short-term) problems.

If I were a telemarketer, I'd be overjoyed at the prospect of a national do-not-call list. It should be seen as a list of people who aren't likely to buy anything from me, thus reducing the time I waste calling people who probably won't buy. The feds even pay to maintain it!

Also . . .

The suit's argument that jobs will be lost is worthless. If they were motivated by providing jobs, I wouldn't get so many pre-recorded solicitations. I'm sure the industry would eliminate almost all their employees if they thought it would bring them more profit.

Re:Yawn. (1)

Pendersempai (625351) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560764)

If I were a telemarketer, I'd be overjoyed at the prospect of a national do-not-call list

No you wouldn't, since your own statistics -- like their's -- would show that the do-not-call types are exactly as likely to buy as the rest. Funny old world, eh?

Re:Yawn. (5, Insightful)

mcgroarty (633843) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560776)

If I were a telemarketer, I'd be overjoyed at the prospect of a national do-not-call list.

I don't think you would be. The majority of telemarketing purchases are made by people too submissive or timid to say "no" to a caller. These people are probably signing up in droves, as it's a nice, non-confrontational way of dealing with their weakness.

Re:Yawn. (1)

mark_lybarger (199098) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560791)

the industry had an extremely viable business model. many many companies have been doing sucessfull telemarketing for 20+ years.

the gov't came in and effectively eliminated that avenue of product marketing.

Re:Yawn. (1)

Frymaster (171343) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560817)

duh. industry is motivated by profit (step 3, remember?) which is defined by this simple little equatino:

revenue - expenditure = profit

when an industry pleas to the public and government that it contributes jobs, always remember that paycheques fall on the wrong side of the profit equation and will be reduced whenever and however possible.

creating jobs is a side effect of industry. not an end goal.

whine and complain (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6560659)

What the heck has happened? Why do private businesses think that the Government is only there to ensure that they will always be profitable? If the people don't want the damn phone calls, and this is the only way to make them stop, then the Government is 100% in setting up this list.

I hate getting hung up on (1, Insightful)

margycdb (533330) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560660)

Man, if you think it sucks to be in IT right now, it sucks much more to be a telemarketer... now, and every day.

Wah wah wah (2, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560661)

Who put it in these guys heads that they have a right to call me at home to hock their mortgage and duct-cleaning schemes?

Every dollar they lose, the phone company (and via "trickle down" theory, me) saves by not shouldering the cost of their business.

Essentially their cost of doing business is being subsidized by everyone who pays a phone bill.

Re:Wah wah wah (3, Insightful)

TrekkieGod (627867) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560772)

Every dollar they lose, the phone company (and via "trickle down" theory, me) saves by not shouldering the cost of their business.

Uh...I'm pretty sure they pay the phone company for the calls...

Not that I think the do-not-call list is a bad thing...I'm registered. I think this is the death of an industry, but a death that I want to happen. An industry's right to profit should end the moment it interfers with my rights.

Won't work (4, Funny)

El (94934) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560664)

Isn't this exactly like the candle manufacturers suing the electric utilities, claiming electricity will cause massive job loss? On the other hand, what are all those losers whose only skill is having a big mouth and being able to follow a script going to do for a living now?

Re:Won't work (5, Funny)

vmxeo (173325) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560725)

On the other hand, what are all those losers whose only skill is having a big mouth and being able to follow a script going to do for a living now?

...technical support

(I'm sorry. Its been one of those kind of days)

Re:Won't work (4, Funny)

Cheeze (12756) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560732)

Having a big mouth and being able to follow a script sounds like the job description of a politician.

Re:Won't work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6560745)

On the other hand, what are all those losers whose only skill is having a big mouth and being able to follow a script going to do for a living now?


"Welcome to McDonalds, how may I serve you?"

Re:Won't work (1)

Planesdragon (210349) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560746)

Isn't this exactly like the candle manufacturers suing the electric utilities, claiming electricity will cause massive job loss? On the other hand, what are all those losers whose only skill is having a big mouth and being able to follow a script going to do for a living now? ...go into politics ...first-level tech support ...re-dub foreign shows with bad voices ...act

Re:Won't work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6560795)

work in Dell customer service

OK, let me guess... (4, Funny)

ckd (72611) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560665)

They're stating that not only has the FTC been distributing their intellectual property over P2P networks, but that it was also illegally incorporated into Linux.

(What? This is a different lawsuit? I thought Slashdot only covered the RIAA and SCO!)

WILDCAT IS ON TEH SPOKE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6560666)

2 million jobs that they woulda farmed out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6560671)

to India etc... eventually anyways... Hey, if Dell, HP, and IBM do it, why not the telemarketers

Re:2 million jobs that they woulda farmed out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6560740)

They do, actually.

I get a ton of calls from telemarketers with thick middle eastern accents.

Well, sure! (5, Insightful)

EvilSporkMan (648878) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560676)

If the RIAA can get their continued existance legislated, it's only fair the telemarketing field gets the same treatment...

Did I miss something? (2, Insightful)

kajoob (62237) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560678)

Since when is a job a right? I'm glad I have a job while so many of my friends are laid off right now, but I don't think my job is a God given right that can't be taken away. I think this goes to more of a privacy issue, but will courts curtail privacy to save an industry money?

Exemptions? (4, Funny)

Ominous Coward (106252) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560680)

Exemptions included...calls on behalf of politicians.

So, even if I put up the telephone equivalent of a "Do not trespass" sign, the craziest of all businessmen are still allowed to call me?

Boo Hoo! (3, Insightful)

mr.nicholas (219881) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560687)

Cry me a river.

If they (the Telemarketers) hadn't been so pushy uptil now, then the List wouldn't be necessary.

But they were, and so it is.

Don't they get it (1)

Cranst0n (617823) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560696)

The do not call database means that they won't get hung up on as often, thereby not making them as miserable, thereby making the world a better place.

Personally, just let them call any leader like Osama, Sadam, etc... one right after the other. Then again that might just be against the Geneva Convention.

2 Million? WHat about our 3.3? (4, Insightful)

zapp (201236) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560704)

So 2 million high school&college kids/temp workers with no invested education for their job are out of work. They can go work anywhere else that doesn't require training.

Now how about the IT industry planning to fire 8% of it's US work force and move 3.3 million jobs to India and other Asian countries?

We need to sue/pass legislature/whatever to secure our jobs, damnit!

Half of all customers lost??? (4, Insightful)

Arslan ibn Da'ud (636514) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560705)


The telemarketing industry estimates the do-not-call list could cut its business in half,


I'm confused. This means that half the people that buy products from telemarketers will sign up and therefore prevent themselves from buying new products?

Someone's being really stupid here. Is it the people that buy products & prevent themselves from buying more? Is it the telemarketers making this up? Or is it just me?

New Jobs... (5, Funny)

brianosaurus (48471) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560706)

Maybe those 2 million people can get jobs selling magazines door-to-door.

Oh wait. People hate that, too.

Re:New Jobs... (4, Funny)

AntiOrganic (650691) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560820)

But how would you ever learn about money laundering if not for the door-to-door Vibe magazine salesman?

Re:New Jobs... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6560846)

...but at least they'd be helping to tackle America's Obesity Problem.

Suing the government? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6560717)

The government is supposed to represent the population, you know, "We the people". The people have chosen not to be called at home. That is a valid request considering that the end user had to pay for the phone service in the first place.

Telemarketers, get over it.

Hypocritical polticians... (5, Funny)

focitrixilous P (690813) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560720)

Exemptions from the list include calls from charities and pollsters and calls on behalf of politicians.
But calls from people telling me, Vote for Dayton/Coleman/Ventura/ whoever else is running are the worst kind. And don't get me started on charity calls, It's bad when they try to sell something, it's worse when the ask me to give them something for nothing. Toughen the law even more, I say. Make those annoying "oops wrong number" calls a federal offense. I don't want my phone to ring for anyone I don't already know. In fact, add my family to the list. The only ones I want to allow to call me are single women.

Idiocy... (3, Insightful)

NeoSkandranon (515696) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560722)

You'd really think they'd notice the overwhelming response to the DNC registry and think "hey wait, maybe people really dont want to hear from us"...no such luck

business model obsolete? just sue! (1)

*weasel (174362) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560723)


following on the heels of the RIAA, i suppose anyone whose business model is made obsolete should just sue the hell out of everyone they can.

i mean, the end is inevitable, and the main riches have already been made - so why not just take a few parting shots?

corporations make me sick anymore.

Re:business model obsolete? just sue! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6560856)

SCO

Let me get this straight.... (1, Funny)

zippity8 (446412) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560728)

So, people that don't want to be called put themselves on a list. Alternatively, others can remain off the list and still receive calls.

The telemarketing companies end up calling only those that are willing to listen. Instead of wasting time, they call someone else that will listen to them and be a possible sale.

And.... they are complaining?

Just wait (1)

VistaBoy (570995) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560729)

Just wait for them to become unionized, and then eventually they'll do a world-wide strike of all telemarketers. Instant solution! If that doesn't work, then world-wide, we can strike telemarketers!

Devastate business? What's next? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6560730)

Drugs dealers suing the government for ruining the market?

Ooh (4, Funny)

Sir Haxalot (693401) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560733)

'...cost as many as two million jobs.'
Another group of people who went to the 'RIAA School of Maths'

Re:Ooh (1)

mark_lybarger (199098) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560834)

Another group of people who went to the 'RIAA School of Maths'

another product of the American English edumacation system. how many people would you say are working in the telemarketing industry today? what would you and your School of Math estimate the number of workers in that industry to be in 3 years? how about 5 years?

Those b@stards! (3, Interesting)

bennomatic (691188) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560736)

I'm sure that if their challenge to the authority of the list is successful, they'll probably also sue to be able to use it as a list of primary sales targets.

I have heard that, in the day of door-to-door salesmen, many such folk were actually thrilled to see "No Solicitors" signs, because they felt that such signs were indicators that the people there knew they couldn't stand up to a sales pitch. I'll bet the same logic might be applied here, so those of us who prefer not to be called might in fact have inadvertently invited twice as many.

What I don't understand is why the list officially does not apply to cell phones? I get sales calls on my cell phone, and it pisses me off. I pay for those minutes on incoming calls!

is this a joke? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6560738)

To get this bill passed into law it went to the highest people in the country, and passed. Now some lawyers want to undo what has been in the making for years? If they think that they can actually be successful in this suit then they have another thing coming. The bill was passed to prevent the negative effects of telemarketing, and their argument is EXACTLY what the law was designed to avoid, people being anoyed by calls.

What ever happened to a person's right under the constitution to privacy? and not to be harassed?

These lawyers are fighting for a lost cause.

What are they complaining about (4, Insightful)

gwernol (167574) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560744)

It beats me why the telemarketers are complaining. Currently about 28 million numbers have been registered on the national Do Not Call list, of around 313 million phone numbers in the US - that's less than 10%.

Until 100% of numbers are registered I would have thought the telemarketers would have loved this. A tool that lets them to avoid wasting time calling people who don't want their services. This should make their operation much more efficient - in other words profitable.

If they really believe they offer a valuable service, then clearly 100% of numbers won't be registered and they can continue to operate a profitable business serving those who do want their calls. Those who don't want to be called aren't. Win-win.

For once (2, Interesting)

Zebra_X (13249) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560753)

The FCC does something right. In fact, the FCC is doing what the PEOPLE want. 28 Million can't be wrong. Look what happens! They get sued by an entire industry. Thinking this says a great deal about the tenious relationship the government has with business.

in bed with RIAA? (0)

SkiddyRowe (692144) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560755)

Well, it's nice to see that America's industries are exemplifying the "American Way", if you don't like it, Sue it...

Sigh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6560759)

Women at Augusta (Thats a golf club for you extreme geeks)
Telemarketers on our phones
*#(@ Spammers in our inboxes
Why do people feel the need to be places we don't want them? I don't want you calling me, and have sworn, burped, harassed, and insulted every telemarketer to call for years. I think the list is a good thing for them since it contributes to employee happiness.

devaste jobs WHERE? (4, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560761)

how many of those 2 million jobs that they claim will be MIA are located in the US?

Interesting note... (1)

bigjnsa500 (575392) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560766)

Maybe they are suing because this is the only good employment offered in prisons? And the companies make a killing (no pun intended) by using prison labor. They have to keep 'Bubba' happy!

I think Bush said it best (4, Funny)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560775)

You are either a consumer, or you are with the terrorists.

Well, paraphrasing slightly, but I think you get the picture. If you can't be pressured into buying things that you don't want and don't need, then what's going to happen to all the people making those things, and applying that pressure? They'll have to get, you know, actual jobs.

I suggest they start making buggy whips, as most of us need them about as much as the current products and services that need to pimp themselves with unsolicited calls.

On other news... (4, Funny)

Pac (9516) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560778)

"Hell has expanded its ongoing legal challenge to religion and is suing yet another church over the concept of salvation, which Hell claims is devastating its business and will cost millions minimum-wage demons their jobs."

It is as easy as that. Build a business on annoying people and then, when the annoyed people react, cry "But won't anyone think of the children (of our employees)?". The point is they shouldn't exist in the first place (the employees, not their children). It should not be everybody else's problem if you have a business model based upon a service no one wants (because if everybody wanted it we wouldn't be having this conversation, would we?).

*The sound...* (3, Funny)

jellisky (211018) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560781)

*... of the world's smallest violin plays for the ATA.*

Anyone else feel like starting up a telemarketing scam for telemarketers?

"Hello, sir. Are you pissed since people no longer want to hear your sales pitch during their dinners? Would you like to hear about a technology which beats that nasty 'do not call' list? With our new technology, we are able to allow you to get around those laws and continue letting you peddle your crappy interest rate credit cards and stupid health insurance policies without the federal government finding out about it all! Are you interested, sir?"

"What? It sounds like you're eating right now. Well, just think about how surprised your potential clients will be when they have the same thing happen to them. If I can just get your name, address, telephone number, credit card and social security numbers, we can send our informational package to you for the low price of $159.99!"

-Jellisky

they have a point (0)

y77 (692293) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560794)

Call any leader like the situation..... There is 100% in which one's mind is a list is a better place. Personally, just let them more profit. This goes to profit that might just let them stop, then the only skill is no such thing as a God given right now, but I missed? If I think this is the Geneva Convention. Just realise the phone company (and via "trickle down" theory, me) saves by not my job now while you have a list is a phone calls, and duct-cleaning schemes? Every dollar they don't want the telephone technology, but there to call any leader like Osama, Sadam, etc... one right to profit that can't be taken away. I waste calling people on reality sure the industry money? So, even if they thought it would eliminate almost all businessmen are a job now while they're at it, I hope the time I don't get so they were, and so they will disagree. Marketroidae are still allowed to buy anything from calling people who pays a phone bill. -- They finally have to call any leader like the time I wouldn't get so pushy uptil now, then the situation..... There is a lucrative publishing contract! I don't think we want X to ensure that jobs will disagree. Marketroidae are a stupid question, but I were motivated by providing jobs, I waste calling people who pays a "Do not shouldering the true side of telephone equivalent of the telemarketters. FYI - Ratbert is the cost of a lot of the MO No Call list. telemarketer... now, and being subsidized by everyone who probably won't buy. The feds even if they will disagree. Marketroidae are laid off, but the Government is staying. THEN we'll compensate for the prospect of a lucrative publishing contract! I think my job now while they're at it, I waste calling people who probably won't buy. The feds even if they were, and this is staying." THEN we'll compensate for some purchase on the gee-whiz days of inquisitive idiots. are laid off right now, but that I waste calling people who aren't likely to ensure that I waste calling people who aren't likely to save a few dollars.

Easier way to stop annoying marketing calls (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6560798)

... and more effective than any do-not-call list.

Just start having phone sex with the next phone farmer who calls you. Don't worry if she's doing it too, it doesnt matter.

If she reminds you that mortgage rates are the lowest they've been in 30 years, you remind her about blasting a thick wad of cum all over her tits.

One of two things can happen. 1) she never calls back, 2) she calls back for more.

ITS WIN WIN

Whoopty-Freakin-Doo (1)

LarryTheGeek (546580) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560804)

I'm not losing any sleep over these people losing their jobs. If you're in an industry whose major focus is pissing people off, you deserve to lose your job. If you look at it another way, the people who opt not to be put on the Do Not Call list (both of them), obviously don't mind being annoyed by these people and will be much more receptive to these calls. Should make the job of a telemarketer a little easier. Spammers look out, we're coming after you next.....

2 Million Jobs my A** (4, Interesting)

noahbagels (177540) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560809)

I can't believe how much the media and the courts let slip by. The CNN article should have been titled Telemarketers Attempt to Defraud Courts with fake job loss numbers and scare tactics.

I don't have a clue how many people the Tele-hacks employ, but I sure know that they never get any business from me. By using this list, I am saving them time - increasing their profits!

2 Million Jobs! You have to be kidding me!

Why can't the media see thru lies like this one, and the RIAA, and simply report that companies are lying in order to survive.

Is there really a need for a national list? (3, Insightful)

trentfoley (226635) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560811)

I live in Missouri where I have enjoyed the protection of a State Do Not Call List. I have received two calls in the (2 or 3?) years the list has been in operation.

Having a state do-not-call registry, I do not see how a national list will reduce the number of unsolicited calls.

You would think the national list will make it easier on telemarketers. It must be easier to deal with one list rather than 50.

Lost money? (2, Insightful)

VivianC (206472) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560821)

I don't understand how they can say this will cost them money. I thought that this would save them money.

I, for one, would never buy from a telemarketer. Ever. Nothing. So, by adding my name to the do not call list, they are no longer wasting their time by calling and offering things I will never buy. They can concentrate their efforts on the people who are receptive to this type of sales and avoid sadistic people like me who will let them talk and then leave them on hold for hours while I look for a credit card.

I would think that over the long run, they will see a higher percentage of sales per hour by eliminating people like me from the list.

And if they legalized drug trafficking (2, Insightful)

earthforce_1 (454968) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560828)


I am sure they could create about 2 million jobs as well. Ditto for prostitution.

Disney, the RIAA, and telemarketers (1, Informative)

Acidic_Diarrhea (641390) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560830)

This is a great example of democracy really working. The people understood this issue well enough (they don't want annoying phone calls!) that the lobbying efforts by the telemarketers have failed. Politicians realize that if they take the lobbying money and vote for the telemarketers, they will be voted out of office. (Politicians may also be tired of receiving telemarketing calls.)

On the other hand, there are issues like Disney buying a never-ending copyright where the public doesn't have enough of an interest in the matter to care and so Disney can purchase that copyright without any trouble. Possibly the same deal with the RIAA running roughshod over the consumer. Now, my question to the Slashdot audience, how can we better educate people to let them know what is going on with both Disney and the RIAA so that if a politician does take the money from the lobbyists and make the WRONG votes, they are voted out of office?

Two million jobs (4, Interesting)

AlphaHelix (117420) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560831)

A loss of two million jobs...of which a large number are convicts, currently serving prison sentences, who get paid below minimum wage, because it's a good source of cheap labor with American accents, and it's their only opportunity for work. See, e.g., http://www.stopjunkcalls.com/convict.htm

Let me get this straight (1)

booch (4157) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560835)

They think they should have the right to call people who don't want to be called? What exactly is their reason that they think they deserve this right? Who does it benefit? If the people are expressing that they don't want to be called, it probably means they don't want to be called! It doesn't matter if they're on the list or not -- they don't want to be called. I know people don't have a right not to be offended, but there's also no guranteed right to annoy people.

Why complain? (5, Funny)

loconet (415875) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560844)

Why even complain about the do not call list if those people listed on the do not call list basically are saying that they don't want to buy stuff from the telemarketers in the first place!

That's like me getting a list of girls who would never go out with me. I'd love to have that list , it would save me time. Then again that list might be bigger than the do not call list, but that is beside the point.

Wow, go government! (1)

Otter (3800) | more than 10 years ago | (#6560855)

Read the CNN article and went to the site [donotcall.gov] to register.

Wow, a federal bureaucracy really put together a nice site! Clean, well-designed, excellent usability, good FAQs. Go, FTC!

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