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Slashback: Blender, Paly, Dragon

timothy posted about 11 years ago | from the tofu-can-enjoy-conjugal-relations dept.

Slashback 284

The last Slashback of July brings you updates on the open-source Blender and Diebold's approach to voting security, and a skeptical look at the design origins of the Dragon V CPU, John Poindexter's very own future, and more. Read on for the details.

A cleaner UI would be nice in the next round. Qbertino writes "Blender 2.28 - the first major release after it was GPLd after a $100,000 community source-code buyout in October last year -- is finished. It's now got a wide variety of added features such as Audio Sequencing (as mentioned earlier) and a complete redo of the built-in Python engine for your 3D scripting convenience and import/export empowerment. It runs on Linux, FreeBSD, Irix, Solaris and that other OS :-). See the full changelog here and get the new version binaries here. Cheers to the Blender folks and: Happy Blending!"

Just close the curtain on your way out, citizen. utunga writes "After recent claims that their voting systems were grossly insecure, Diebold has issued a rebuttal which has in turn been panned. One question this raises : Do programmers now have worry that their comments ... such as - 'Reimplemented MMIO functions, as MS is too effing lazy to provide them under CE. Most of this is cribbed from the Wine Project.' - might wind up in the media (or worse, in court) as evidence for one side or the other ?"

Correspondence school? chipace writes "The newly released Dragon-V CPU could have deeper roots in Austin, Texas than in China. The Alchemy Au1500 (AMD) displayed at Comdex 2002 has a lot in common with the new CultureCom Dragon-V cpu (or is it the other way around?). Both have identical MIPS32 cores (16k instruction + 16k data caches), Ethernet MACs, USB 1.1, PCI 2.2, SDRAM controller ... same power consumption. I'm not saying they are pin-compatible... just that this is by no means an original chip (seeing as the Au1500 has been available for over a year). Is the Dragon-V a ground-up development that CultureCom is describing, or is this just another case of a Chinese company doing reverse engineering?"

They can swim out and try, though. Complete Bastard writes "The Australian is reporting today that Aussie corporate Linux users, including AusRegistry, which runs Australia's domain name registry, are also starting to say no to SCO's licensing scheme. After reading the recent /. roundup of corporate ire, it would seem the business world is starting to truly make it's opinions known in this issue..."

The wisdom of the free market. skwang writes "Do you think John Poindexter should keep his job? The head of Pentagon's department responsible for Terrorism Information Awareness (formerly Total Information Awareness) and most recently known for his Policy Analysis Market, which would allow investors to buy future's contracts in middle east events such as the overthrow of King Adbullah of Jordan, has himself a futures contract on Tradesports, as reported by CNN.

Investors can now buy futures contracts to speculate on whether or not Poindexter will keep his job after August 31st. Since Poindexter's contracts are new, they do not represent an accurate indicator of his job security."

Could be too late: Eponymous Coward writes "CNN writes "Retired Adm. John Poindexter, who created a firestorm this week with his plan to create a futures market that would capitalize on predicting terror attacks, will resign in coming weeks from his post at the Pentagon, a senior defense official said Thursday. The official said the research that Poindexter and his Total Information Awareness program (TIA) were conducting had become just too 'unorthodox'." Ya think?"

No good deed goes unpunished. Anonymous Coward writes "In regards to the June 25th Article 'WiFi Exposes Sensitive Student Data': The School district has decided to boot all volunteers, the story is here..."

Seems like a harsh way to treat long-time volunteers with expensive skills.

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No good deed goes unpunished??? (5, Funny)

winkydink (650484) | about 11 years ago | (#6584193)

Setting up wifi in an insecure way hardly qualifies as an expensive skill.

....an expensive mistake perhaps, but I don't see tons of job ads saying "wanted: bozo who doesn't know how to configure wifi to set up our wireless network"

Re:No good deed goes unpunished??? (1)

Suppafly (179830) | about 11 years ago | (#6584322)

Setting up wifi in an insecure way hardly qualifies as an expensive skill.

whats funny is that the real article says nothing about Wi-fi it just says the districts policy is that only employees can touch the computers now.

Re:No good deed goes unpunished??? (1)

vsprintf (579676) | about 11 years ago | (#6584431)

whats funny is that the real article says nothing about Wi-fi it just says the districts policy is that only employees can touch the computers now.

Which means that the servers will now be really secure, since none of the employees have any idea what they do, and they certainly wouldn't touch them. :)

Not plausible origin of Dragon Chip (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584195)

Why would they reverse-engineer an AMD chip when Intel CPUs are so much higher in quality?

Re:Not plausible origin of Dragon Chip (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584317)

Define "higher in quality". Otherwise, you are just a troll.

Re:Not plausible origin of Dragon Chip (2, Interesting)

leandrod (17766) | about 11 years ago | (#6584350)

>
Why would they reverse-engineer an AMD chip

The real history here is not the foundry, but the architecture. RISC is simpler, not only to run fast but also to design, manufacture and perhaps reverse engineer.

Blender (4, Informative)

Squidgee (565373) | about 11 years ago | (#6584201)

Blender's UI is actually really useful once you get used to it.

The problem is, getting used to it. It's set up for the advanced user (read: keystrokes for EVERYTHING!), not for the newbie-point-and-clicker.

It's kinda like Slack, but in the 3D app land.

Re:Blender (1)

dan_barrett (259964) | about 11 years ago | (#6584217)

I Agree - it took me a couple of days to get my head around the interface - but after that's it's great!

(Still hard to use without a numeric keypad though, eg in a laptop)

Re:Blender (4, Interesting)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | about 11 years ago | (#6584270)

Maybe it works for the experienced user, but it's still a stellar example of bad UI design. Tiny buttons with cryptic icons, a GUI interface that works in an irritatingly nonstandard fasion, and so forth. Fixing these would go a long way towards making it accessible to new users, and would not hurt the experienced users one bit. Given that the poor interface is by far the biggest complaint people have about Blender, you would think that some thought would be given to fixing it.

You must be an American. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584439)

~ a stellar example of bad UI design.
That would be poor UI design, you ignorant Git.

Re:Blender (4, Interesting)

OverCode@work (196386) | about 11 years ago | (#6584453)

Recently I've learned to write 3ds max plugins, and a good 3/4 of the time I spend is just trying to get around in max. The actual 3d handling code (C++) is really simple to deal with.

Point being, 3d modelling is Hard, and I would expect any reasonably capable 3d modeller to be difficult to learn, even with a well designed UI.

Blender doesn't necessarily have a horrible UI. It's just a targetted one, meant for power users who need fast access to a lot of functionality.
Not to say it couldn't be improved.

-John

Re:Blender (4, Interesting)

Xerithane (13482) | about 11 years ago | (#6584482)

Maybe it works for the experienced user, but it's still a stellar example of bad UI design. Tiny buttons with cryptic icons, a GUI interface that works in an irritatingly nonstandard fasion, and so forth. Fixing these would go a long way towards making it accessible to new users, and would not hurt the experienced users one bit. Given that the poor interface is by far the biggest complaint people have about Blender, you would think that some thought would be given to fixing it.

The people who complain about Blenders UI wouldn't manage with any 3d application. If you read any of the numerous tutorials on Blender, you can get the hang of the UI in less than a half hour. I'm not saying be efficient and quick, but at least use it without difficulty.

3d modeling applications with more power than TruSpace can't have that user friendly of an interface because of the sheer number of functions it has to have in quick access. If you look at Maya, they have spent tons of time in the UI, and their biggest contribution was the pie menu. Using Maya for an hour, vs. Blender you will notice Blender has faster keystrokes (while Maya is more "usable") but after 10 hours, Blender is more usable.

Their GUI also works in fairly standard fashion, with menus and hotkeys. The button tray at the bottom (default) is easy to see, and after you know what the icons mean (5 minutes of reading) it makes sense. I'm going to reiterate this point: Most people that complain about Blender and it's interface haven't read any of the documentation on it and spent 30 minutes trying to figure it out.

It isn't a mail client, it's a 3d modelling application.

Re:Blender (3, Interesting)

dmiller (581) | about 11 years ago | (#6584520)

The people who complain about Blenders UI wouldn't manage with any 3d application.

Not so. I was able to pick up Maya, 3DS Max and Lightwave and start editing meshes pretty quickly just by playing with the interface. I have read a couple of Blender tutorials and it still seems like too much work.

Re:Blender (2, Informative)

Xerithane (13482) | about 11 years ago | (#6584565)

Not so. I was able to pick up Maya, 3DS Max and Lightwave and start editing meshes pretty quickly just by playing with the interface. I have read a couple of Blender tutorials and it still seems like too much work.

I haven't used 3DS much, but my first impression of it was worse than Blender.

I read the Castle tutorial on Blender and felt very comfortable with it. Which tutorials did you read?

Re:Blender-Power users vs newbies. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584551)

"It isn't a mail client, it's a 3d modelling application."

Agreed. Most of these arguments come from the "everything is an appliance"[1] crowd. If it doesn't have a big red "push me" button, then it's too hard. Thing is for those of us whom "time is money" (and make good amounts too), the Blender interface (much like the wordperfect interface) is right up our alley. Remember our tools are for "work", not for "play".

[1] I'll leave it to the audiance who got that trend started.

Re:Blender (3, Informative)

KnightNavro (585943) | about 11 years ago | (#6584698)

I don't know about learning it in a half hour. I've been playing with it for a week and I'm still only up to static modeling. It really could use better documentation. Of course, users experienced in other 3D modeling programs may have an easier time. In any case, this page [eskimo.com] has been tremendously helpful.

Re:Blender (3, Informative)

dcuny (613699) | about 11 years ago | (#6584702)

  • If you read any of the numerous tutorials on Blender, you can get the hang of the UI in less than a half hour.

That depends on what you mean by "get the hang of the UI". Sure, you can figure out that buttons can be pushed and that everything in Blender looks like a button. At least form could fit the function, y'know?

The main problem is that the UI doesn't give you any clue how to perform tasks. For example, might know, for example, that you need to add bones to your mesh. But how to do that?

I know that it can be done, but looking through the menus and tabs, I can't see hide nor hare of anything like a Add Bones option. Once the bones are added, how are they supposed to be parented to the mesh? Again, the UI doesn't give any clue.

Just because you (or any other number of users) can figure out how to do great things in Blender - and Blender is an amazingly powerful program - doesn't mean that it's got a good UI. I could just as easily point to the Persistance of Vision Raytracer [povray.org] and claim that it's got a great user interface, because lots of people can use it and produce great work with it.

It's great that you can memorize a zillion different keystrokes, but I can't. That means I can't use Blender without an Internet connection, so I can download the outdated manual, or search for an outdated tutorial, or head over to the friendly folk on #blenderchat for some help.

  • Most people that complain about Blender and it's interface haven't read any of the documentation on it and spent 30 minutes trying to figure it out.
Well, the same goes for most people who use any software. But one of the points of a UI is to expose functionality of the product. And that's something that Blender does terribly, even for someone like me who's been struggling with the UI for a couple years.

There are other Free software programs that support animation, such as Art of Illusion [sourceforge.net] and Anim8or [anim8or.com] . There are up and coming contenders, such as JPatch [sourceforge.net] and Wings3D [wings3d.com] that don't yet support animation, but promise to in the near future. As powerful as Blender is, I'm hanging my hopes one one of these less powerful, but more user friendly applications.

(In fairness should note that Ton has recently set up a forum for the improvement of Blender, and one of the main focuses on Blender 2.0 will be an improved user interface.)

Re:Blender (2, Interesting)

digitalhermit (113459) | about 11 years ago | (#6584535)

Given that the poor interface is by far the biggest complaint people have about Blender, you would think that some thought would be given to fixing it.

Actually, many people praise blender for its user interface. Yes, it is difficult for someone who hasn't read the manual to use, but once you actually read the manual, you'll soon realize that the interface is pretty easy to use. You can get a lot of things done very quickly because of how the mouse and keyboard interact. No, it does not conform to most user interface guidelines, but that's a little irrelevant for a specialized app, don't you think?

Re:Blender (2, Interesting)

AndyChrist (161262) | about 11 years ago | (#6584568)

The makers of every other decent 3D app don't think it's irrelevant.

I last used an early version of blender...so my opinion may be dated...but the documentation sucked as badly as the interface. With most 3D apps, you can just look at it and know what you're seeing. With blender, screw actually manipulating objects, just figuring out what's in front of you can be a pain.

Re:Confusing UI (-1)

Picass0 (147474) | about 11 years ago | (#6584276)

One could say that a violin has a confusing UI. Does that mean it's broken? No. But it does mean that you need to know what you are doing.

"The violin sucks. It's too confusing."

"Do you read sheet music?"

"Uh, no. Would that help?"

I often times wonder how many people who find Blender confusing have a fundamental understanding of 3D software.

The Blender community has been focused on fixing Blender's real shortcomings. Better rendering (yafray), new modeling tools, python scripting improvements. Everything will get improved in due course.

Re:Confusing UI (4, Insightful)

AvantLegion (595806) | about 11 years ago | (#6584305)

One could say that a violin has a confusing UI. Does that mean it's broken? No. But it does mean that you need to know what you are doing.

"The violin sucks. It's too confusing."

"Do you read sheet music?"

"Uh, no. Would that help?"

This is a nonsense example.

A more realistic one would be if someone created a violin that operated very differently from all the other violins on the market, and also had "different" sheet music that required lots of re-learning.

That's what a piece of software that ignores industry standards in things like UI is equal to.

Re:Confusing UI-Confused poster. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584478)

"That's what a piece of software that ignores industry standards in things like UI is equal to."

What industry standards?

BTW An interface for advanced users isn't going to be the same as one for the "point n' drool" crowd. Try using some high-end software sometime.

Re:Confusing UI-Confused poster. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584486)

Every use a piece of software before?

Re:Confusing UI-Confused poster. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584552)

blender, "high-end". ha ha ha ha

Re:Blender (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584294)

UNDO UNDO where the fluck is UNDO

Re:Blender (1)

ewhac (5844) | about 11 years ago | (#6584363)

It's a single keystroke command: U

Schwab
Who read the Quickstart tutorial [blender3d.org] .

Re:Blender (0, Flamebait)

moosesocks (264553) | about 11 years ago | (#6584364)

If it requires a lot of keystrokes to perform basic functions, it really isn't a GUI.

By definition, a GUI enables you to do anything (within reason) by using a mouse

Re:Blender (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584543)

> By definition, a GUI enables you to do anything (within reason) by using a mouse

Not big on actual definitions, are you?

Re:Blender (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584449)

separate the "G" from "GUI" and you are left with a UI that is good.

the "G" they have in place of said "GUI" is poor. buttons that don't even have names that maybe do something? when do they do something? how do i get them to do something? like someone else said, small and cryptic buttons.

the keystrokes are very good though, when you can remember them.

Re:Blender (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584613)

I agree that the UI of blender is kind of stinky. The main thing that bugs me is that the button labels don't fit on the buttons - so it is kind of irritating when the first couple letters of the button description are missing.

BUT - like everyone says - once you mess around with the program for more than a couple minutes you start to learn the keystrokes which are EASY and FAST. I just turn the UI buttons off for more editing room.

SLASHDOT IS TEH SUCK (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584204)

morons planning to attend FUDgeLicker's bawl (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584207)

they are about to witness a power that they must deny the existence of.

we were thinking of juvenile detention, but they continue to use gottiesque methods despite several thousand warnings.

lookout bullow.

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the daze of the Godless georgewellian fuddite payper liesense stock markup FraUDs is dissolving into coolapps/the abyss.

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pay attention. that doesn't cost much. tell 'em robbIE.

Cribbed from the Wine Project? (4, Interesting)

BrotherPope (8102) | about 11 years ago | (#6584216)

'Reimplemented MMIO functions, as MS is too effing lazy to provide them under CE. Most of this is cribbed from the Wine Project.'

Wine has been under the LGPL for a while now... anyone know more about this 'cribbing'? What exactly was copied, and from what tree?

I haven't heard that the voting system code is available under the LGPL... in fact, I've heard that secret source code is quite important to keep ahead of competitors.

Re:Cribbed from the Wine Project? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584287)

I'm trying to find the source of that MMIO statement. Where did they say that? Don't tell me that's a made up statement falsely attributed to them?

Re:Cribbed from the Wine Project? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584304)

Hey bonehead, since the voting system wasn't distributed to the public they don't have to make the source code available.

What is it with all these freakin' *GPL zealots that don't even understand how the *GPL works?

Re:Cribbed from the Wine Project? (2, Insightful)

bfree (113420) | about 11 years ago | (#6584313)

We'll in the worst case, if they did excessively copy from the LGPL wine code then they would still not have to release the source of their system, they would simply have to release the "modified" code from the voting system. If they had "de-libraried" the MMIO functions then they could provide a test case for the GPL but I imagine they would simply re-library it with the blessings of the wine projects and release the source to this library LGPL. The LGPL allows you to hide YOUR code while diclosing what you do with IT'S code.

Looking for that secret source... here's where... (2, Informative)

althecat (620595) | about 11 years ago | (#6584348)

This particular bit of secret source is of course no longer particularly secret. See... A Very American Coup.. [scoop.co.nz] . Here at Scoop where we broke this story we are seeking to get the word out about this page which will carry our ongoing work on the subject. Please have a squizz. And if you look carefully you will find the link to where the secret source remains online and downloadable... Finally... online media buffs Check out our appeal to the online independent media [scoop.co.nz] related to this story.

Also.... A Dumb Internet Trick... (1)

althecat (620595) | about 11 years ago | (#6584494)

Go to Google [google.com] , type "ROTK Trailer" into the box and click the "I am feeling lucky" button.

Re:Looking for that secret source... here's where. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584682)

Here's the problem... your Scoop blog/magazine/whatever looks like every other Geocities paranoid-schizophrenic black helicopter conspiracy freak website to me. CAPITALS everywhere, a billion meandering links, and I have to hunt all over the place to find the meat, the verifiable facts, to make my own decision on what's true. I don't want to hear your spin or bleating about how it's all going to hell in a handbasket, I want the facts. See something like fair.org for an example, although I'm not saying they're always right either.

I finally understand what Free software is about (0, Flamebait)

Dancin_Santa (265275) | about 11 years ago | (#6584223)

I used to think it had something to do with the freedom of developers to use the source, but it really has nothing to do with developers at all.

Rather it is the source code/software itself that is Free. Like you and I are free in that we have laws that prevent someone else from chaining us up in a basement somewhere, Free software cannot be chained up in someone's pet project. According to the license, all Free software must be set free.

Once I understood this, I finally understood what is meant by "Information wants to be Free". Information doesn't want to be locked up, just like you don't want to be locked up.

This personification of information is one of the most backwards and retarded ways of looking at intellectual property I've seen. I really didn't understand how weird it was until I finally understood what the FSF was really saying.

Re:I finally understand what Free software is abou (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584259)

I was with you until you used the term 'intellectual property'. Once it's out of your grey-matter, its not really your property anymore.

Re:I finally understand what Free software is abou (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584274)

So what you're saying, then, is that if someone breaks into my office and downloads the source to my proprietary programs and then distributes the source on Kazaa, he's only guilty of breaking and entering?

Re:I finally understand what Free software is abou (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584320)

That is a logical conclusion to that particular argument; one which underlies most of the "copyrights are evil" nonsense that gets bandied about on slashdot.

Unfortunately, the /. moderation system makes it remarkably easy to simply ignore points that you disagree with rather than address them in open debate. I don't think you'll ever get a satisfactory response to that.

Re:I finally understand what Free software is abou (2, Insightful)

LineNoiz (616971) | about 11 years ago | (#6584517)

That is a logical conclusion to that particular argument; one which underlies most of the "copyrights are evil" nonsense that gets bandied about on slashdot.

I don't think there are many people that claim "copyrights are evil." No sane person would deny that people deserve to own what they create. The typical /. argument is that perpetual extension of copyright is evil, not copyrights themselves.

Re:I finally understand what Free software is abou (1)

acxr is wasted (653126) | about 11 years ago | (#6584519)

Yes, unless you work for Microsoft, in which case he'd also be guilty of crimes against humanity. Har, har, har!

Straight from Vegas.. (3, Funny)

acxr is wasted (653126) | about 11 years ago | (#6584224)

Odds Poindexter loses his job before September: 2:1

Should he be fired, odds that this will fix the "problem": 1,000,000,000:1

So can i cash in now? (4, Interesting)

Merik (172436) | about 11 years ago | (#6584230)

Re:So can i cash in now? (2, Insightful)

WatertonMan (550706) | about 11 years ago | (#6584574)

The problem with the DARPA project was that it "looked" bad. Personally I think it was a brilliant idea. It is the ultimate distributed analysis and works for the same reason capitalism does. But as cool as it sounded I pretty much knew it would be in trouble.

The problem really isn't Poindexter. All the projects I've heard of sounded very creative and the kind of thinking out of the box they were demanding immediately after 911. The problem is that Poindexter was hopelessly naive regarding the real world conservativism of the American public. (Conservative in the social sense and not the political sense)

Combine that with all his historic enemies due to Iran/Contra and he really should have seen this one coming.

Wha? (1, Troll)

Chess_the_cat (653159) | about 11 years ago | (#6584235)

The official said the research that Poindexter and his Total Information Awareness program (TIA) were conducting had become just too 'unorthodox'." Ya' think? Since when is unorthodox automatically a bad thing? I thought Slashdotters were all about being unorthodox. I also think that a war on terrorism is well-suited to unorthodox strategies and tactics.

Re:Wha? (1)

nomadic (141991) | about 11 years ago | (#6584282)

Except when "unorthodox" means "horribly invasive of privacy".

Re:Wha? (1)

JHelgie (598219) | about 11 years ago | (#6584283)

me fucking prostitutes and asking if they know where osama bin laden is hiding is an 'unorthodox' approach to fighting terrorism, just because they use the word, don't get all defensive, they never said unorthodox by itself was bad, well, okay, how about we just say what was said at the end of the article:

"I can't believe that anybody would seriously propose that we trade in death," Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, D-South Dakota, said Tuesday.

Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Oregon, said, "The idea of a federal betting parlor on atrocities and terrorism is ridiculous and it's grotesque."

Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-North Dakota, called the idea "stupid."

Re:Wha? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584314)

In this case, I think they used unorthodox as a nice way of saying he's an idiot. Without hurting his feelings too much.

Re:Wha? (5, Informative)

aled (228417) | about 11 years ago | (#6584319)

Hey, this is the guy that tried to destroy the electronic evidence of their illegal activities [cnn.com] . Call THAT unorthodox.

Do you think John Poindexter should keep his job? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584239)

Who decided to hire John Poindexter the first place? Was Oliver North involved? I don't recall. I don't recall.

Hey Blender folk, how about an undo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584242)

I make lots of mistakes ...

Re:Hey Blender folk, how about an undo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584460)

Undo is hard. Since it's open source we'll leave the undo to you, that the way open source works. Do the fun stuff, forget the hard stuff, blaim the user for not being will ing to "help out" with the coding if they complain.

(I got that same exact actual reply from an open source network driver coder when I pointed out that he didn't support multicasting and maybe people might need it)

OMG an overthrow of King Adbullah of Jordan (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584263)

Don't even say this in jest!

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Volunteer work does not pay (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584268)

In reference to the Palo Alto story, I have learned to be wary of volunteer work. People just don't appreciate what they don't pay for. If you volunteer to do something, people act like your time is of no value, so they will feel free to waste your time.

Maybe the school district will understand the value of these past volunteer services when they finally have to break down and pay someone. The added bonus is that a paying job will be created. I know volunteer work is full of good intentions, but a side effect is contributing to unemployment.

Re:Volunteer work does not pay (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584297)

This is bullshit.

I am a volunteer clitoris washer at a local dyke hut and I can honestly say I make a difference based on the number of smiles given to me by the young women I help, help, help (squish) help (squish) aaaaaaaaahhhh.

It was 100,000 EUROS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584269)

NOT 100,000 USD.

JMP 0000; (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584290)

the dragon chip.. (3, Interesting)

Suppafly (179830) | about 11 years ago | (#6584301)

When they were first annoucing that the Chinese would be producing the dragon chip, there was a lot of speculation here and other places that it would just be a reverse engineered version of something else.. guess that's what happened.

Re:the dragon chip.. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584699)

Reverse engineered a chip? Is this practical? More likely they just copied the design.

Diebold source code... (4, Insightful)

Handpaper (566373) | about 11 years ago | (#6584303)

Most of this is cribbed from the Wine Project.
This looks like a job for the FSF. How far are the binaries being distributed? Since they contain GPL code, it shouldn't be too difficult to make a case for source code release, which would open the whole app to peer review (and, if the article is even halfway right, hilarity).

Re:Diebold source code... (4, Interesting)

Suppafly (179830) | about 11 years ago | (#6584333)

This looks like a job for the FSF. How far are the binaries being distributed? Since they contain GPL code, it shouldn't be too difficult to make a case for source code release, which would open the whole app to peer review (and, if the article is even halfway right, hilarity).


Since they are distributed to the state, the source code should be available via the freedom to information act or similar laws.

Re:Diebold source code... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584602)

Since they contain GPL code

Except that WINE was originally distributed under an X11 variant (I believe the 2002/02/28 snapshot was the last one under that license), so if the code dates from there no GPL enforcement activity would be useful.

And even if it does, WINE is currently under the LGPL (although most patches are dual X11/LGPL and many are (or at least were when Transgaming was still beating the drum, before they switched to being a console to Windows porting house) fed into ReWind anyways) -- and WINE is not an FSF-owned project (i.e. copyright assignment) so there's no standing for the FSF to pursue anyways.

Add one more thing... (-1, Redundant)

bigjnsa500 (575392) | about 11 years ago | (#6584307)

We need to add one more thing to Slashback: Everyone's favorite Star Wars Kid [jedimaster.net] is suing the friends who posted his super killer loser video on the Kazaa network for $100,000. You can read the story here [bbc.co.uk] on BBC News.

Re:Add one more thing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584387)

It was in the last one.

Re:Add one more thing... (1)

bigjnsa500 (575392) | about 11 years ago | (#6584525)

Hmmm.. Anonymous... I take that like I do a grain of salt if you don't have the balls to reply with your nic.

Re:Add one more thing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584425)

You mean the story that was reported here [slashdot.org] in an earlier slashback?

Star Wars Kid is suing the friends who posted...

With friends like that, who needs enemies?

Re:Add one more thing... (1)

bigjnsa500 (575392) | about 11 years ago | (#6584457)

Well shit, I just found the story today. My utmost apologize to the slashback community. I hereby expect flamebait to my toes.

Stop that (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584342)

blender.org and blender3d.org just died, now I can't get the fscking manual, please be considerate, don't click that link just for the hell of it.

Bin Laden is an Orthodox Muslim (-1, Troll)

Vagary (21383) | about 11 years ago | (#6584344)

Planting bombs beneath buildings is orthodox: Guy Fawks thought of it first. Terrorists crashing planes into buildings is orthodox: Tom Clancy thought of it first. Biological warfare is orthodox: the monkey in Outbreak thought of it first.

The US intelligence community is no longer about getting the bad guys: it's about making Lord Rumsfeld and Emperor Bush look right. In brainstorming you're not supposed to criticise suggestions -- every idea is valid. Since the CIA and FBI did so well in preventing 9-11, there's obviously no need to be unorthodox.

TIA and PAM were brilliant approaches. It's understandable that politicians would have vetoed TIA in response to their constituents' wishes, but that doesn't make it any less of a good idea. And please stop to consider whether PAM was so offensive next time you're duct-taping your windows close.

Poindexter is dangerously underappreciated by the people who need him most.

TIA is unconstitional (1)

linuxislandsucks (461335) | about 11 years ago | (#6584378)

TAI got drained of operating funds because it unconstitional to psy on citizens of the US within USA borders..by either CIA or FBI..

Re:TIA is unconstitional (1)

ratfynk (456467) | about 11 years ago | (#6584583)

"TAI got drained of operating funds because it unconstitional to psy on citizens of the US within USA borders..by either CIA or FBI."

That is most silly spelling error ever. PSY ops is a real military term. To spy on citizens is nothing new, and is legal, if there is probable cause. The RIAA is doing it, though I hope they will get their weiner whacked when things go to court.

If however the FBI and the CIA has cause to suspect actions that can harm to US citizens are being planned then it is just plain stupid not to try different approaches to prevent these activities. The problem is in the past this has been misused by people with political punch to entrap the little guy, case in point John Delorian. If information gathering is to work then we need to keep it tightly under wraps and scutiny by the government. There have been abuses by government officials in the past J. Edgar is the best example. The accountability of civil servants, which the CIA and FBI are, has always been the problem. Hopefully the days of despotic bureaucrats are over.

Hope my comments never get public (5, Funny)

sideshow (99249) | about 11 years ago | (#6584355)

Cause between all the, "Fix this when I'm less drunk"'s and, "This better fucking work GODDAMMIT!"'s I might be out of a job.

grammar nazi (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584451)

You said:

"Fix this when I'm less drunk"'s and, "This better fucking work GODDAMMIT!"'s

and my concern is this:
Bob's Quick Guide to the Apostrophe, You Idiots [angryflower.com]

Re:Hope my comments never get public (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584515)

That is why I never put comments in my code.

Poindexter at the Hellmouth (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584356)

creating a futures market for terrorism as a way to glean info, should be lauded on Slashdot. It is a geek's solution to an information problem. Having it excoriated in Congress and the media is exactly what happens every time a "Poindexter" stands up and suggests what seems like a great idea to geeks: dumb people just don't get it and the geek gets ostracized. We should salute you, John Poindexter...

Unfortunately, even though Slashdot is a geek site, it isn't that educated, at least when it comes to econ, so probably Poindexter will be ridiculed here too...

Re:Poindexter at the Hellmouth (4, Insightful)

Concerned Onlooker (473481) | about 11 years ago | (#6584412)

The problem I had with it was the potential for abuse. Athletes aren't allowed to bet on games and for the same reason the CIA shouldn't be allowed to "bet" on things that they can have an influence over. Especially when they might be tempted to create even more chaotic and violent situations than they normally do.

Re:Poindexter at the Hellmouth (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584708)

Fnord! (look it up, youngbloods)

so you're suggesting that the CIA is already buying life insurance policies, and investing in the stock market, and then rigging the outcomes, but you don't want them making these investments too?

regardless, the world is the way it is. Warren Buffet or Bill Gates, they are or are not already targetted. People who depend on them bear that risk. it is not gambling to wish to make the opposite bet in the market to eliminate that risk from your portfolio: it's called hedging and it's a very safe thing to do and it makes markets more stable.

but, at the same time to be able to glean info about the likelihood of an event, and even trace the "center" of the info: that is sooooo cool. The people who killed this thing will have blood on their hands.

blender question. (3, Interesting)

Suppafly (179830) | about 11 years ago | (#6584362)

I haven't used blender and have only dabbled with other 3d programs, so maybe this is obvious, but why does a 3d program need audio sequencing capabilities?

Re:blender question. (1)

TaoTeCheese (643669) | about 11 years ago | (#6584420)

It's an amazingly useful feature when you need to animate something to sound or music. For example, it makes lip syncing a breeze. 3ds max and maya both do this really well and I'm glad to see it added to blender.

Re:blender question. (1)

g-san (93038) | about 11 years ago | (#6584675)

The same reason windows needs an integrated exploder browser.

TOTAL WORLD DOMINATION!!!!!

Go blender go!

Seriously, it already has video sequencing, I think they are going for the all in one approach. (which makes my first statement, uh, worry me.)

Besides if you don't like it I think you can recompile with a -DNOAUDIOSEQ option. Try that in that ms rendering package or Maya.

Reverse engineering? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584414)

If the Dragon-V and AMD's chip are so similar, this is a case of industrial espionage, not reverse engineering.

Piondexter should have been canned for TIA not PAM (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584424)

I actually want to learn more about PAM. As weird as it sounds, we need something better than political intelligence. Can we ever get objective intelligence from self-serving political organizations? Any system that might address this would be welcome, even if it was some evil free-market dead pool.

Re:Piondexter should have been canned for TIA not (2, Interesting)

agrippa_cash (590103) | about 11 years ago | (#6584508)

I think that this market could have been very effectively gamed by those very same self-serving agencies. Want extra money in the budget? Buy "V.P. assasination" futures. Similarly, wealthy terrorists could manipulate our "intel" by buying many, many shares of "everything will be fine". The market is fine for some things, but people have an irrational faith in it. It really boggles the mind (and pisses me off because these people are in charge).

Diebold seems reasonable (1, Interesting)

Compuser (14899) | about 11 years ago | (#6584432)

Their rebuttal basically says: we have no
software security because we rely on hardware
and procedural security. If a machine is not
meant to be connected to the network and has
only one means of user input which has a limited
number of point and click options then the
underlying software security would indeed seem
irrelevant.

Re:Diebold seems reasonable (1)

FatRatBastard (7583) | about 11 years ago | (#6584546)

Go read the re-rebuttal. Diebold's claim that there is no connectivity seems to be a bold face lie.

But there's more than one means of user input (3, Interesting)

phr1 (211689) | about 11 years ago | (#6584555)

User input works by the voter putting a smart card into the machine and making selections. A non-cheating voter is supposed to use a smart card provided by the election officials, but a cheating voter can bring her own maliciously programmed card. The security paper described how such a card could be programmed. That is a serious vulnerability. I think they should run a "Black Hat voting" election at DefCon. They would announce in advance that they're going to use Diebold machines to elect the Evil Overlord of the Cracker Universe, with voters encouraged to try to cheat the machines, and the election would be run with the same so-called safeguards as a real election. I bet the results would make Diebold's "rebuttal" look pretty silly.

[If you didn't read the article] Diebold seems... (2, Insightful)

arete (170676) | about 11 years ago | (#6584617)

[If you didn't read the article] Diebold seems reasonable

Their rebuttal said that. But they're using a wireless network to the stations, and sending results over the web.

Whether or not their systems are actually vulnerable, they're clearly lying.

Anybody able to run Blender on OS X? (3, Interesting)

Psychic Burrito (611532) | about 11 years ago | (#6584491)

I've downloaded Blender and tried to run it: After 40 seconds, a blank window appeared, but nothing else. After 7 minutes, I was tired of waiting, killed the app and trashed it. This is the same experience I had on other machines half a year ago with Blender. I just wanted to fiddle around with it a bit, as I regularly do with randomly downloaded Mac apps [apple.com] , but this App seems to not adhere to the usual standard of "start the app in 15 seconds or less and everything works".

Re:Anybody able to run Blender on OS X? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584626)

I've been able to run blender fine in OSX 10.2.6. I downloaded it from the blender web site not apple though. Runs alright on my G3.

Blender - great success (5, Insightful)

myklgrant (529062) | about 11 years ago | (#6584503)

As an avid Blender user I consider Blender to be one of OSS's greatest success stories. Since going GPL the rate of improvement has been rapid (the audio sequencer was wanted for years) and the fact that the community made it happen despite it being considered commercially "dead" is a tribute to the power of open source. Makes you wonder what dead code is out there that can be "rescued" by the OSS community.

Re:Blender - great success (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6584651)

"That" is an "excellent" "question."

Poindexter must have played the futures game (1)

bloosqr (33593) | about 11 years ago | (#6584560)

Poindexter is going to resign! [nytimes.com]
now (nytimes registration required blah blah)

-bloo

Technical volunteering (3, Interesting)

fven (688358) | about 11 years ago | (#6584597)

It can be awkward as an employee, but particularly as a volunteer - where you don't have the rights of an employee. The boss is completely non-technical but wants things done exactly his way despite your protests that it wont work, is insecure, doesn't meet their needs etc.

Using the same blind logic, the boss locks the only people that know the system out of the system (change all root passwds, change locks on doors etc) and then 'make do' with a poorer quality system that they pay more for. Normally in these cases with small schools, there simply isn't the budget to employ a sysadmin and deploy nice (read expensive) network topologies and so people volunteer.

A sad case of biting the mouth that feeds..
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