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Novell Buys Ximian

Hemos posted more than 10 years ago | from the a-cage-full-of-monkeys dept.

Ximian 478

Quite a number of people have been submitting the news that Ximian has been purchased by Novell. All I've found so far is the press release linked to above; more links as they come in. Looks like Nat & Miguel will be remaining around, and Novell's continuing to expand its Open Source commitments. Update: 08/04 17:30 GMT by S : viewstyle writes "According to an interview with Ximian's CTO Miguel de Icaza at Eweek.com, Ximian won't be affected at all by Novell's buyout, and will be shipping a PowerPC version of Mono (preview release in Sept)."

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478 comments

Ximian has annoucment (5, Informative)

SirGeek (120712) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605164)

They have the announcment [ximian.com] on their main page now.

Re:Ximian has annoucment (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6605195)

I nominate the parent for the best first post ever.

Re:Ximian has annoucment (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6605209)

this would rathr be the bst first post evr :)

Oh no ... (-1, Troll)

jmays (450770) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605165)

I just seized into a 'case of the Mondays'.

There might be a few.... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6605166)

ch-ch-ch-ch-changes at Ximian. You know, right before the newly expanded going out of business yard sale at Novell.

Re:There might be a few.... (2, Funny)

Ominous Coward (106252) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605193)

ch-ch-ch-changes? Is David Bowie working with Novell these days?

Reference spotted, reference missed (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6605414)

Novell a few years ago used David Bowie's "Changes" in a television advertisement.

Re:There might be a few.... (-1, Flamebait)

Red Rocket (473003) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605358)

How much does Bill pay these days to spread MS FUD, Troll?

g to the oatse (-1, Offtopic)

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Aaaah! (5, Funny)

IGnatius T Foobar (4328) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605170)

I ran "Red Carpet Update" this morning. Now I know why it downloaded a copy of the Book of Mormon to my computer. Thanks, Slashdot!

I doubt... (2, Informative)

Sir Haxalot (693401) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605172)

this will have any effect on Ximian though... so I'm not too bothered ;)

Re:I doubt... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6605250)

Please give up. Your karma whoring is lame. Not only is it lame, it's not even working. You're *still* posting at 1.

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Re:I doubt... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6605284)

mmm already got 2 accounts posting at 2, and everyone loves me with them \o/. Yeah I relise it's a gay name, but the 2 names I usually use are the ones posting at 2, so... :)

Re:I doubt... (-1, Offtopic)

Ominous Coward (106252) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605290)

Dear Pot,
Please do not accuse Mr. Kettle of being black. You are *still* posting at 0.

p.s. Your username is heterosexual and everyone still posts as you.

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What an embarassment (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6605188)

An promising up-and-comer bought out by a wrinkled old has-been. Oh the humanity. What's their plan?

Re:What an embarassment (2, Informative)

greechneb (574646) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605392)

I have to wonder if Novell is viewing the Gnome desktop as the base for an administrative desktop. Novell's GUI has been seriously lacking from what I have dealt with. With their recent decision to ship netware with a linux kernel, I think they are slowly moving their product lines to be enhanced linux servers.

RIP Ximian and Novell (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6605189)

Tying together two sinking ships does not make one that's seatworthy.

Re:RIP Ximian and Novell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6605231)

Since when was Ximian sinking?

Re:RIP Ximian and Novell (1)

mirko (198274) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605276)

Actually, the Ximian logo rather shows a diving monkey, so, indeed, it might be too soon to evaluate its sinking condition :)

Anyway, I didn't know they were generating profit at all so I was not surprised at the grand parent's remark.

Re:RIP Ximian and Novell (0, Offtopic)

xanadu-xtroot.com (450073) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605442)

Actually, the Ximian logo rather shows a diving monkey

I personally always thought he looks more like the fuckingroovin character.

Good News! (4, Insightful)

nbarr (666157) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605194)

Hopefully, this will improve the development of the desktop Linux. Maybe we will see big improvements in this area, as Novell improves Gnome, causing KDE to also improve so that they dont lag behind.

Also, Mono will probably get major improvements, becoming a good .net alternative.

As far as I'm concerned, good news.

Re:Good News! (2, Insightful)

danheskett (178529) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605243)

Hopefully, this will improve the development of the desktop Linux.
That makes no sense. Novell has exactly ZERO experience with making desktop operating systems.

Additionally, they have VIRTUALLY ZERO experience with development windowing systems and GUI interfaces.

Also, Mono will probably get major improvements, becoming a good .net alternative.
Again, ZERO sense. Xiamian has tons more experience with .NET - why would adding Novell to mix help Novell?

Novell - all those years of nasty unbelievable licensing costs and certifications must have left them with a warchest of huge proportions.

Re:Good News! (5, Insightful)

nbarr (666157) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605281)

I understand your comments, but the reason I believe it will help Mono and gnome, is not because of Novell experience, but simply because Novell has more funds to invest in full time programmers for those projects. That will make the development faster, if not better.

Re:Good News! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6605283)

Oh, come on, they did sell Novell DOS for a while.
It included Personal NetWare (TM)!

Re:Good News! (5, Interesting)

IM6100 (692796) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605337)

Yes, but Novell does have experience buying, then passing along, dying technologies. They bought the UNIX codebase, which they then passed along. They bought WordPerfect too.

The problem is, Ximian isn't a dying technology. This doesn't fit the pattern for Novell...

Re:Good News! (5, Funny)

operagost (62405) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605448)

Patience... just give them a little time to kill it.

Re:Good News! (1)

Danse (1026) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605467)

Yes, but now that you've mentioned it, I expect to see "XIMIAN IS DYING!!" posts on /. from here on out. Knowing the influence that /. trolls have on reality, Ximian won't last long.

Re:Good News! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6605343)

"Novell has exactly ZERO experience with making desktop operating systems." "Ximian has tons more experience with .NET"

"Novell... must have... a warchest of huge proportions"

I've got the brains
You've got the looks
Let's make lots of money.

Re:Good News! (5, Interesting)

div_2n (525075) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605372)

Well, since the most major improvements to Windows in the last 8 years (Active Directory) has been available in some form or fashion in Novell for over 15 years I would say that their strength may well lie in merging that kind of functionality into Linux. I only hope they keep their development OSS. That is the only real problem I see.

It really won't matter one bit if they start running Ximian offerings into the ground. If they are OSS, the community can take over. I thought that was the whole benefit to OSS in the first place. Don't like what the author is doing or the author gets hit by a bus (or acquisition)? DIY.

Re:Good News?!#@#$ (1)

jkrise (535370) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605300)

Novell seems to have a pooorer reputation after the SCO imbroglio on copyright ownership. In fact, there seems to be little difference in the people owning Novell and SCO.

I'd be very surprised if Novell dumps Evolution like AOL dumped Netscape AND Mozilla. IMO, this is the WORST news for Linux in recent times, worse than the fake SCO threats actually.

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I wonder... (5, Insightful)

avalys (221114) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605196)

I wonder if this will affect Novell's behavior towards SCO - if they didn't already have an interest in defending Linux, they certainly will now. Considering that they claim to possess the copyrights that SCO is using to bully IBM, I think this may prove to be a Good Thing.

Re:I wonder... (5, Informative)

Frodo420024 (557006) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605256)

Considering that they claim to possess the copyrights that SCO is using to bully IBM, I think this may prove to be a Good Thing.

Novell acknowledge that the copyrights have been transferred to SCO (*sigh*).

Still, this looks like a Good Thing for the Novell product lineup, as well as for Open Source in general.

Re:I wonder... (1)

BurritoWarrior (90481) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605272)

I believe Novell corrected their earlier statments and said they did indeed transfter the copyrights after SCO found an amendment to the original deal in a file cabinet. (really!)

Re:I wonder... (2, Troll)

lovebyte (81275) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605328)

SCO, Novell and Canopy group, all have (at least) one person in common: Ray Noorda

He is/has been:
founder of Caldera
Chairman of Novell
Founder of Canopy group

Moreover, the mormon Church is involved somewhere there too (3 in SCO's board are mormon). What does that mean? I have no idea.

Re:I wonder... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6605376)

Ok, first: what does the mormon involvement mean? That they are all based on Utah, and mormons are common there.

With that out of the way:

Ray Noorda was founder of Novell, but not founder of Caldera (he just paid for it through Canopy)

Re:I wonder... (2, Interesting)

IM6100 (692796) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605377)

Or, this could be Novell buying into a big piece of the 'Open Source' goodies so that after the Linux carcass is broken up into chunks they own a valuable piece.

Re:I wonder... (0, Troll)

jkrise (535370) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605382)

I doubt Novell's any less of a crook than SCO, atleast as far as their position towards Linux is concerned. Atleast SCO is openly against Linux, Novell tried to curry favor initially, and later gave up without a semblance of resistance.

Secondly, I doubt Novell and SCO are very different at the top - both seem to be owned by the same set of 'litigious bastards' (to quote Slashdot).

My reading is that SCO wanted to buy Evolution and dump it like AOL did Netscape. Since it'd look obvious, they asked Novell to do the job for them instead. I can't think of any other explanation for this, specially since Novell has had very little to do with Linux and Open Source.

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SCO (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6605386)

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Re:I wonder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6605463)

Now Novel can claim damages from SCO FUD.
I smell a counter-suit.

OK the tacky stuff (1)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605204)

What was the amount involved ?

Re:OK the tacky stuff (2, Funny)

rde (17364) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605288)

What was the amount involved ?

"The acquisition of Ximian was an all-cash transaction and is not expected to have a material effect on Novell's financial statements in the current fiscal year"

Linux: it's free as in speech, not free as in Ximian.

How long before... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6605205)

...I can run .NET on NetWare.

It's all over for Ximian (4, Flamebait)

jmischel (202344) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605206)

Let's recap some of Novell's previous purchases:

Wordperfect - barely breathing
Quattro Pro - dead
Paradox - dead
DR-DOS - dead?

Novell, a company whose mission for the past 15 years seems to have been "Buy Microsoft's competition and run it into the ground" has purchased one of the few Linux desktops that could potentially give Microsoft a run for its money.

Might as well cede the desktop to Microsoft.

Re:It's all over for Ximian (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6605257)

Novell is actually a puppet corporation that was secretly taken over by Microsoft over 10 years ago. They only exist to give the illusion that Microsoft has competition in critical areas like spreadsheets and non-multitasking operating systems.

Novell: Utah's answer to Corel.

Might not be about the desktop war (2, Insightful)

mao che minh (611166) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605296)

This is different, in that all of the above were doomed to begin with. WordPerfect had a fledging career, but with the monopoly woes and everything else, no one really expected it to survive (no people in IT anyways). Novell wants to use Ximian as a tool (server administration with a decent GUI), I reckon, and not use it to try to create a viable desktop alternative.

Novell can now skip all of the time needed to build every aspect of some kind of a Linux client/desktop, and instead begin with the progress that Ximian has made.

Winning the desktop is one thing, but I think Novell wants to use Ximian as an access point to a Linux server running all kinds of Netware "packages" (the Netware services Novell will be deploying for Linux).

Re:It's all over for Ximian (4, Insightful)

Ominous Coward (106252) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605315)

I think perhaps Novell has a tendency to make poor choices in its purchases?

I'm not sure about the rest, but there's little Novell could have done to help DR-DOS. Microsoft broke many laws to keep MS-DOS on top back then.

Re:It's all over for Ximian (1)

sporty (27564) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605325)

That's DR-dead to you.

Re:It's all over for Ximian (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6605401)

The fact that you still run it on your 386 in the basement has little uplifing effect when it comes to the market place. DR-Dos is Comercialy DEAD

Re:It's all over for Ximian (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6605336)

Oh please. The parent should be moderated Flaimbait. The thing different from all those other companies is that Gnome is not Ximian. 99% of Ximian's technology is Open Source so Novell dieing out would not affect this. Besides they have been predicting the death of Novell for years now, just like Unix. Novell has a good stratigy behind it. Since its services are top notch and run under Linux they can sell both directly or say to IBM customers. My whole city still runs on Novel. Well instead of migrating to Windows they can now migrate to Novell running Linux. I wish this solution was out when I was doing an internship in London. The solisitors I was working for was using Novell I had to recommend a company that was switching them to NT. They wanted to stick with Novell but all the support was dropping for it. Now this comes out, coupled with the growing number of firs supporting Linux and Novell has new life. It is still a gamble for them but one I beleive will pay off.

Re:It's all over for Ximian (4, Insightful)

Menthos (25332) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605374)

Novell [...] has purchased one of the few Linux desktops

Novell acquired Ximian, not GNOME. Ximian is not GNOME, they're only one of the companies behind it. Other significant companies behind GNOME include Sun and Red Hat who also contribute loads of resources, and also many additional sponsors [gnome.org] like HP, Mandrake, and IBM. Not to mention the huge amount of independant volunteers, that made the project even possible to begin with.

So there seems to be a huge difference with GNOME compared to the examples you mentioned -- this one will undoubtly survive even without Novell, should they decide to leave it for some reason.

Re:It's all over for Ximian (1)

Uart (29577) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605391)

That does seem to be their strategy. There are plenty of companies out there that have been trying to be/beat Microsoft for years - Novell just seems to try the hardest.

You should also note that WordPerfect and associated office products were actually a pretty solid competitor to MS Office when Novell bought them.

Re:It's all over for Ximian (1)

dnoyeb (547705) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605407)

WordPerfect barely breathing? WP is the best word processor in existance. Word is horrible and any software that clones words unintuitive interface is equally as horrible. WP has a nice following and I am quite pleased with it along with its many users.

Sure its not as popular due mostly to the fact that it never was part of a complete office package. MS Word's success I attribute exclusively to 2 things. 1. MS Excel is an awesome program. 2. MS' illegal behavior with its OS APIs.

Quattro Pro is part of the WP package and is just as alive as WP. Paradox is as well, but I agree that its just laughable.

And the only thing you got absolutely correct you put a question mark next to? Your a strange fella.

Re:It's all over for Ximian (1)

spokes (661419) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605421)

Might as well cede the desktop to Microsoft.

There ya go, that's the attitude!

Re:It's all over for Ximian (1)

dnoyeb (547705) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605430)

Let me add though that I agree with your conclusion. Wanting to turn a profit, and needing to turn a profit at two totally different situations. I think this "need" will be bad for Ximian.

No, there is another: (1)

turgid (580780) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605435)

GNUstep [gnustep.org]

OK, so I was joking, but it is sort of compatible with what Apple's doing.

Abuse of Moderation here... (0, Offtopic)

jkrise (535370) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605447)

The parent has got rightfully modded to +5, but my other post [slashdot.org] with similar sentiments lies at -1 Flamebait!

Looks like the mods are having a field day!

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Re:It's all over for Ximian (1)

mydigitalself (472203) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605452)

great observation!
Novell also purchased a company called SoftSolutions who, at the time, pretty much owned the document management space (I mean real document management, not web content management) particularly in the legal sector.

you will notice that SoftSolutions no longer does business - although their ex management staff have recently established NetDocuments [netdocuments.com] to revive their previous success.

I was going to comment, but (2)

His name cannot be s (16831) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605210)

*HUH*???

That's the damn strangest acquisition I've ever heard of.

Hell, Novell's purchase of WordPerfect seems to make sense under this veil.

Weird, weird, weird...

Re:I was going to comment, but (0, Offtopic)

inteller (599544) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605253)

it's the same logic behind pimps and hos.....whatever you can throw out there on the street to make some money for yo broke ass.

Money (3, Informative)

Xner (96363) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605212)

The acquisition of Ximian was an all-cash transaction and is not expected to have a material effect on Novell's financial statements in the current fiscal year. No further details as to the specific terms of the transaction are being disclosed.

Does not sound to me like Miguel will be rolling in cash though ...

Re:Money (3, Insightful)

Uart (29577) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605465)

Ximian wasn't exactly rolling in cash either. However, just because it won't have a "material effect" doesn't mean that the amount isn't what you and I would consider large. Its just not what Novell would consider large.

Evolution Exchange Connector (5, Insightful)

revividus (643168) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605224)

I wonder what will happen with Ximian's Exchange connector [ximian.com] for Evolution? I hope Novell keeps it around, because it's probably my sole hope of getting a boss-approved Linux box at work...

Re:Evolution Exchange Connector (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605390)

Have you considered VMWare + Windows + Outlook?

Re:Evolution Exchange Connector (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6605425)

there is still crossover office of course you have to run "SHUDDER" MSOFFICE. You know the funny part its actually faster and more stabile under linux who wadda thunk it!!/

Biohazard (1, Funny)

pheared (446683) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605225)

Novell ought to be careful that they don't contract Mono.

Glad I bought their stock... (5, Informative)

bc90021 (43730) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605227)

I am not hawking NOVL, and I do own less than 100 shares (disclosure complete, post commencing) but I'm glad I re-evaluated them. With their recent release of their products for Linux (which seem to be doing reasonably well [novell.com] ), and now with this purchase, it seems that they are serious about Linux. Since they were always great in the directory space, it seems like they just might be positioning themselves to try and contend in directory services again.

Re:Glad I bought their stock... (3, Insightful)

Clansman (6514) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605439)

Actually I think not - everyone I know is heading reluctantly but inevitably to Active Directory and is ditching Netware.

We have NDS *and* AD simply because some/many apps don't speak NDS but integrate directly with AD. So we buy both - NDS cos it's easier to manager and link/sync to AD for app integration.

Thing is ... what a waste so the next step is simply to bin NDS.

It's not what we want to do but what is happening none the less.

Good for them (2, Insightful)

mao che minh (611166) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605234)

I want to see Novell survive. My first two years in the IT business was supporting a huge Netware environment, and I have always liked it (Netware) since. With Novell's planned shipment of Linux products, it would also make sense to build a strong Netware client for Linux. Aqcuiring Ximian and all of it's tools is a good start.

Re:Good for them (1)

JanneM (7445) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605340)

The press release specifically mentions plug-ins for Evolution for Novell's server stuff. This is tentatively a very hopeful development.

Ho Hummm (1)

Delifisek (190943) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605259)

By the of gread Speculation.

Novell come with full throttle. New novell server support Linux and now this.

Me thinks all M$ enemys begin act together

Good riddance to good rubbish ;-) (-1, Flamebait)

jkrise (535370) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605262)

Novell's takeover of Ximian is likely to be as useful to Ximian's products - as AOL's takeover was to Netscape's products.

Watch out for total disintegration of Evolution in about a year's time. Can't say I'm too sad tho' Evolution took ages to load, was pretty unstable, and bloated as well.

Goog riddance to good rubbish then...

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Re:Good riddance to good rubbish ;-) (2, Insightful)

splinky (84951) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605346)

Oooo I dunno. The motivations seem different: AOL's enormous, didn't need Netscape and may just have done it to muck about and maybe squeeze Microsoft for better terms on IE.

Novell doing this seems more like a company actually trying to find some new revenue from it, because they're not doing so well elsewhere.

Of course that means it could go one of two ways: they could put their all into it and make it enormous, or they could make a right hash of it and hastily try something else, chucking Ximian to the dogs.

Not saying much new here but hey :o)

Grumble... (3, Redundant)

Dr. Spork (142693) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605264)

Usually it's not a good idea to attach a lifeboat to a sinking ship. Novel should be selling off/spinning off divisions that have a chance of surviving, not acquiring more units to pull under.

This Might Make Novell More Attractive (5, Interesting)

ChiefGeneralManager (600991) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605267)

Novell produce some really nice software -- Netware seems solid, secure and provides a more useful and workable system out of the box than windows.

My biggest problem with Novell is that to get any of the great benefits that Netware provides, I have to buy a slew of stuff -- like ZenWorks and BorderWare. To get a complete network OS, I have to either shell out, or make some kludges to get things to work together, using olde batch files, for example.

In all, this means it's better to start of with something that only claims to be the hub of an NOS and build other software on to it -- like SME Server [e-smith.org] -- and its at no cost.

In buying Ximian, I hope Novell will be able to offer SMEs a workable, useful, solution that gives everyting a NOS should be capable of for the same price (rather than just the core) so desktop management (over Windows, Linux and Mac), e-mail, and firewalling would all come together at a Microsoft-beating price.

Re:This Might Make Novell More Attractive (2, Interesting)

Clansman (6514) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605468)

THis is dead right - and once you have bought all that othere stuff, your enterprise apps *still* don't integrate with NSD properly so you have to get dirXML and pay for Active Directory too ...

Just so you can get what, exactly? A file server and a directory.

G-r-r-r-reat... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6605269)

<sarcasm>
I can just see the headline in five years:
"Novell Sells Gnome/Mono Copyrights to (other Utah "technology" company)".
</sarcasm>

Sen. Orin Hatch schizo (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6605280)

Two-faced dumb plug Sen. Orin Hatch is now faced with a dilemma. Which constituency will he support -
Novell & open source, *or* SCO and the forces of evil. Hard choices for such an honorable man.

Tug - O - War (5, Interesting)

jmkaza (173878) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605297)

First there was IBM. But IBM made a deal with a guy named Bill and slowly saw their computer monopoly erode, as this thing called Windows allowed anyone to operate any PC. But then it was decided to link computers together, and up came a new software company, Novell, and now someone other than Bill was making money off of software, and Bill didn't like that, so out came Windows NT, and Novell saw their brief monopoly collapse. IBM and Novell weren't happy, so IBM hooked up with another guy, named Linus, and slowly started taking back what Microsoft had taken away, in the datacenter, at least. So here's Novell, looking at IBM and realizing hey, it brought them back, it can bring us back too. And now the community has a big player putting Linux on the corporate desktop. Right on, Novell. Best of luck to ya.

Mixed Feelings (5, Insightful)

Silwenae (514138) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605302)

I'm of mixed feelings on this.

I am of the belief that Novell bought Ximian more for Ximian Connector than anything else, Mono second, and oh yeah, Ximian Desktop / Gnome Development is thrown in.

I have a hard time believing Novell has a vested interest in a Linux desktop like Gnome. Out of the three software apps Ximian works with, Gnome is the only one that isn't so much a cross-platform application (Gnome development for Sun / *BSD aside).

It's probably good for Mono as well. But does Novell have the cash to continue development of all these?

I just hope Novell doesn't let them die on the vine.

Re:Mixed Feelings (2, Insightful)

mao che minh (611166) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605434)

"It's probably good for Mono as well. But does Novell have the cash to continue development of all these?"

I think the question should rather be "does Novell have any interest and/or strategic advantages in continuing the development of all of them?". I say this because Novell certainly has more revenue and excess funds then Ximian did (or at least I hope hope so, it would be rather bleak for Novell if they didn't).

At last! (3, Funny)

khaine (260889) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605319)

All that useful software I've always wanted on my Linux desktop! Wonderful software sch as:

* Groupwise connector for Evolution.
* Directory Services for Linux.
* ZenWorks for Gnome

I can't wait! ;-)

AOL Buys Netscape, dumps it after MS settlement... (1)

jkrise (535370) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605330)

Novell buys Ximian, dumps Evolution after settling with MS for about $2 bn. I guess. Can't see anything else which Novell could be contemplating now. What's Novell doing with Linux, I'm curious??? Weren't they supposed to be a Netware company??

-

Announcement on novell.com (2, Funny)

kermit6306 (568489) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605331)

"Operating system that can now give you the same buzz it gives IT."

That's what I'm talkin' about. No more wasted money and trips to the weed spot. I can just pull down the latest patch! Just in case, anyone got Linus' pager number..?

Re:Announcement on novell.com (0)

inteller (599544) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605352)

hmmm...the same buzz it gives IT? I didn't think Mormons believed in caffiene.

This may make some sense... (5, Interesting)

RevMike (632002) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605335)

Novell is a name recognizable (and respectable) to the PHBs of the world. Sure they got trounced by MS, and their licensing structure may have sucked, but they are still a known name.

It would be easy for Novell to put together a nice bundle of Linux technologies, then sell it under their own name. The PHBs who don't trust OSS wouldn't have to know any better.

I'd personally like to see Novell hire the SAMBA team. It would be pretty cool to see them take back the file and print server space from MS using their name on OSS.

Combining strenghts (3, Insightful)

GerardM (535367) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605350)

With Novell being great as a directory company and Ximian great as a desktop company, I would expect to see security and ease of administration for Linux desktops to be the great beneficiary. This could become available as a proprietary solution or as an open source solution. In either the quality and ease of administring Linux application will improve.

What I am happy with is that Novell first proved itself as a good member of the community before they bought Ximian.

One more involved (5, Interesting)

ptaff (165113) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605360)

Do you realize the sheer number of major companies, one after the other, helping the community in some way or another?

  • Sun: SuSE distribution
  • Novell: Ximian
  • IBM: Kernel
  • Apple: KHTML
  • HP: XFree86


Are they all wanting the success of GNU/Linux or is it a case of against-Microsoft-anything-will-do?

These companies, which on certain fields compete against each other, are willing to go in the same direction, isn't it weird? ...can't wait to add Microsoft/SCO to the list - or simply remove them from the other list :)

Re:One more involved (1)

inteller (599544) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605451)

Yeah, IBM is so helpful to the community... http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/942376.asp?0sl=-41

Maybe (1)

C_Kode (102755) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605371)

Maybe this means that Evolution will get S/MIME support now.

Re:Maybe (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6605395)

it was going to get s/mime for 2.0 anyway.

notzed

Linux business model (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6605378)

1) open up company
2) use free software
3) make lots of goons work for free
4) brand free software
5) sell company
6) profit !

Re:Linux business model (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6605411)

it's sad, but it's true!

mod parent +5, Insightful

Cool! (1, Interesting)

donmiguel42 (586995) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605388)

Perhaps we'll see a GroupWise plug-in/connector for Evolution now. Hopefully it won't go the other way and get replaced by a GroupWise Java client... competition in the e-mail client/calendaring solution world is a decidedly good thing IMO.

Expanding thier OPEN SOURCE committment? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6605393)

Novell's continuing to expand its Open Source commitments.

So they will go from 'runs on GNU/Linux - good enough' to the GNOME foundation position "It does not ship until it runs on GNU/Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD"

If all Novell will do is 'support GNU/Linux' and leave Mac OS X, FreeBSD, NetBSD and others hanging in the breeze, then they are not 'supporting Open Source', they are supporting GNU/Linux.

Why use the inclusive language of Open Source when you are in fact not inclusive?

This is good (4, Interesting)

johnnyb (4816) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605402)

Previously, Novell had an excellent product - their directory services. In addition, it would run on more Microsoft operating systems than NT. For example, you could authenticate and use Novell resources from DOS, not so with NT, at least not without a LOT of help. Novell is the product everyone wanted to use, because it made your life easier, it's just that noone wanted to run their operating system.

Now they have a chance to go in with the operating system that EVERYONE is wanting to run (a lot of people _want_ to run Linux, but are unable to do so because of their Windows machines). Novell is the king of getting their software to play nicely with Windows. I can see Novell going into Linux, and then being able to replace Active Directory with the click of a button.

And this purchase means that their server will be incredibly easy-to-use.

How to make money off of free software (5, Funny)

MyRuger (443241) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605419)

1) Start a company

2) Sell it

Like teaching a new dog old tricks

ummm? (1)

eshefer (12336) | more than 10 years ago | (#6605420)

hmmm, I'm not sure about this at all.

a Ray Noorda company buying Ximian? is this a good thing for the comunity, seeing what another Ray Noorda company [caldera.com] is doing to the linux comunity these days?

Internal communication with Ximian employees. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6605440)

From internal sources of some Ximian developers I have heard that Novell are planning to discontinue working on GNOME and go for KDE. The employees have been instructed to make themselves confortable with the new situation. All further development on GNOME projects should be stopped. So all work that Ximian has done on GNOME such as bonobo, orbit2 and some minor other things are canceld from this day. Novell is not interested to continue working on GNOME.
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