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Contiki Ported To x86

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the reuse-is-recycling dept.

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lt writes "The ultra-small Contiki OS has now been ported to the x86. This should give those of you who have an old x86 PC that is too small to run even the smallest of Linux variants, a chance to browse the web, set up a web server, and doing other essential stuff. If you're curious to see how it looks, there is a live VNC demo running."

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I would like to (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625488)

place my large scrotum on your head.

Re:I would like to (-1)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625512)

The Contiki should still be large enough to host the few Americans who do not truely desserve their fate, on this 58th Hiroshima Birthday.

Shame on your puny obese clueless race.

FUCK OFF AND DIE !

Re:I would like to (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625702)

Mein fuhrer, I want you to suck my nigger cock. It tastes like Jesse Owens's.

LOUD SUCKING SOUND EMANATING FROM WASHINGTON, DC (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625746)

DAILY REMINDERS:

they want jobs out of this country it seems (0)

zymano (581466) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625799)

added to bookmarks.

No wonder (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625494)

Re:No wonder (1)

DoctorPepper (92269) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625583)

So he needed some pocket money, no big deal. He still has over a billion (US billion) shares left!

Re:No wonder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625637)

He still has over a billion (US billion) shares left!

What ?
Each of the shares is only worth 1 USD ?
According to a quick calculation, this'd rather represent 26 billions USD.
A longer calculation would probably decrease this value to oblivion as if he were selling all that stock at once, this would not be worth anything anymore.

Re:No wonder (0)

real_b0fh (557599) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625984)

At the end of the article:

"Gates' sales come about two months after Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer sold shares worth $1.45 billion in a series of transactions over two weeks."

Holy shit, now THAT's a sellout, not the puny $25million Bill sold. WTF is this Ballmer guy doing? Is there something rotten in the reign of Microsoft?

cheers.

how could... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625496)

...you talk about this crap while there are Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq?
We are the on the brink of the world's destruction and you sit and talk about Linux.
You should be ashamed.

Re:how could... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625533)

Where? Remember - 45 mins away from a launch - that's how important it is.
http://eagle.la.asu.edu/hester/dawkins_war.ht ml

Re:how could... (0, Offtopic)

turgid (580780) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625536)

Because all mysery and no fun makes the world a dull place.

Re:how could... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625625)

...you talk about this crap while there is a hair in my eggMcmuffin?

NES (-1, Offtopic)

Cable_Monkey (516166) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625499)

I still haven't figured out where to plug up my ethernet line to my NES.

Re:NES (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625642)

There's an expansion port on the bottom, for the disk drive that was never released in North America. I'm sure something could be cobbled together to use it.

Heh (0, Redundant)

Flabby Boohoo (606425) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625506)

"If you're curious to see how it looks, there is a live VNC demo running."

Not anymore!

Re:Heh (-1, Redundant)

swordboy (472941) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625538)

How irresponsible is it for slashdot editors to post a link to a live VNC demo?

Re:Heh (1)

drwtsn32 (674346) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625778)

I couldn't agree more... posting a VNC link? What the hell?

Re:Heh (3, Funny)

rtaylor187 (694389) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625540)

Yep /.ing is a cross-platform "feature" - works against Windows, Linux, and Contiki servers!

Re:Heh (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625623)

Exactly how is the first comment of this type redundant?

Chripes.

Re:Heh (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625639)

You're right! I've never heard anybody joke about the Slashdot effect before.

Cute! (1)

splutty (43475) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625507)

Maybe I should try and port this thing to my old MSX as well, who knows, it might even work :)

As for old x86 systems, 19K2 modems didn't even properly work with those, so it's going to be fun to have internet with those things *smirk*

License Fees (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625509)

Remember the license fees :

with 1 CPU $699
with 2 CPUs $1,149
with 4 CPUs $2,499
with 8 CPUs $4,999
Additional single CPU $749

Pay up, or don't use linux.

Re:License Fees (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625835)

Licence fees my arse!

I'm still running a 2.2 kernel. So kindly make the effort to imagine an ASCII art finger being rasised in your general direction.

Wow! (1)

turgid (580780) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625515)

This should run like the clappers on my old 486/25sx.

Re:Wow! (3, Funny)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625577)

This should run like the clappers on my old 486/25sx

What the hell is a 486? :)

Re:Wow! (3, Informative)

Urkki (668283) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625747)

Linux should run pretty well on that too, even with X if you have enough memory.

Live VNC demo running (-1, Redundant)

MeanE (469971) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625516)

No...it's not...well at least not anymore.

VNC (5, Interesting)

jrockway (229604) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625520)

I have to say that running VNC on an 8bit computer is amazing. I would have looked at the screenshots, but actually playing around is so much more fun! It makes me want a C64 or old intel computer to run this on :) Does anyone know how to enter an arbitrary URI though, I couldn't do it.

On another note, for those who thought VNC over 100BaseT was slow, it's even slower when running at 3KiB/s :) Oh well, this will be the first article to ever slashdot a VNC server, I think.

Re:VNC (3, Informative)

usotsuki (530037) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625603)

8086 is 16-bit ;)

Interestingly enough I (in the past week) have thought about implementing Contiki on top of CP/M-86 [z80.de] 4. CP/M-86 4 is a rather small OS, and can optionally run DOS programs (the infamous DOSPLUS [seasip.info] ), and I think, with tools I can easily find for free, I can code low-level stuff for it.

It can be done. IWBN, too.

-uso.

Re:VNC (1)

iantri (687643) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625785)

Right. The 8088 is the 8-bit processor, which was followed up by the 8086, a 16-bit processor.

Re:VNC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625825)

other way round I believe, 8086 came first, but no one was ready for all that 16-bit goodness, so the 8088 filled the hole

Re:VNC (2, Informative)

iantri (687643) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625829)

Whoops.. my mistake.

The 8086 came first, and was 16-bit throughout.
The 8088 was designed to be cheaper, as it had an 8bit external data bus.. but the processor was 16-bit.

http://firstpc.no-ip.com/en/8086/page02/x86c.htm

That page is running on an 8086, BTW.

Re:VNC (-1)

cb4b (683827) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625854)

No the 8088 came after the 8086. Also the 8088 was also a 16 bit processor but unlike the 8086 it had an 8 bit bus.

Re:VNC (2, Informative)

ajs318 (655362) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625877)

No, you're wrong. The 8088 has a 16-bit internal architecture, however, it only brings out 8 data lines - so "word" transfers take 2 clock cycles, but you needed only 8n one-bit-wide RAM chips and one 8-bit-wide *ROM chip for the memory. Bear in mind memory was expensive when these things reigned supreme! The 8086 requires 16-bit-wide memory, hence 16n one-bit-wide RAM chips and two 8-bit-wide *ROM chips. I think it has a compatibility mode whereby it can access memory and I/O devices in 8-bit bytes rather than 16-bit words.

Re:VNC (1)

watzinaneihm (627119) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625913)

There was a comment on the Contiki page about something about DNS [dunkels.com] , if I understand it correctly, they have a table of some 10 websites and their IPs precompiled so that they wouldnt have to do a DNS lookup.
So you probably have to edit that table.

Slashdotted (-1, Redundant)

AndyFewt (694753) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625524)

VNC go boom

As it will be slashdotted... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625527)

Some info before it gets toasted

The web pages you are watching are served by a web server running under the Contiki operating system on an an Ethernut embedded Ethernet board, which consists of a 14 MHz AVR Atmega128 microcontroller with 32 kilobytes of RAM and 128 kilobytes of flash ROM, and a RealTek RTL8019AS Ethernet chip.

Local Remote State Retransmissions Timer Flags 80 210.214.211.245:1166 FIN-WAIT-2 0 91 80 210.49.61.249:4000 ESTABLISHED 0 3 80 216.15.124.126:61657 FIN-WAIT-2 0 25 80 209.210.4.252:54730 ESTABLISHED 0 1 * 80 200.164.245.202:33548 ESTABLISHED 0 3 * 80 216.15.124.126:61654 FIN-WAIT-2 0 21 80 217.72.69.144:1077 SYN-RCVD 0 3 * 80 208.191.17.177:1937 ESTABLISHED 0 3 * 80 172.137.24.29:3071 SYN-RCVD 6 43 * 80 208.19.133.132:38209 ESTABLISHED 0 1 * 80 192.35.35.35:35197 ESTABLISHED 0 3 * 80 66.32.100.20:57348 ESTABLISHED 0 1 * 80 160.36.251.198:56226 FIN-WAIT-2 0 4 80 160.36.251.198:56225 ESTABLISHED 0 3 * 80 160.39.180.236:53790 FIN-WAIT-2 0 36 5900 67.82.242.97:27960 ESTABLISHED 0 3 * 80 200.164.245.202:33549 ESTABLISHED 0 2 *

/.'ed? (0)

damballah (691477) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625529)

I can't seem to access that remote-vnc demo thing...

Re:/.'ed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625586)

are you sure? Keep trying and you'll eventually get in. I was on it, like 5 mins ago or so. It was pretty fun, especially seeing their memory expansion component module in action.

story translation (5, Funny)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625531)

the smallest os for the weakest puniest computers still in existence goes live.

click on this vnc link here to blow to smithereens.

Live VNC (5, Funny)

alta (1263) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625532)

Why don't you go ahead and say, "There was a live vnc running", or maybe "or maybe there might be a live vnc running in the distant future" but never say "there is a live vnc running..."

Re:Live VNC (1)

JFMulder (59706) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625657)

Could that be a Fight Club reference? :)

Re:Live VNC (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625946)

Why don't you go ahead and say, "There was a live vnc running", or maybe "or maybe there might be a live vnc running in the distant future" but never say "there is a live vnc running..."

However, in any case we know what image [hick.org] the web browser in that VNC demo is currently displaying. We don't need to see it. Come to think of it, it's maybe even better that the VNC is slashdotted right now...

VNC Demo Slashdotted! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625534)

Luckily, I captured the whole session:

c:\>cd win31
c:\win31>del .
Are you nuts? (y/N)
253 files deleted. Hope you know what you're doing.
c:\win31>cd ..
c:\>rd win31
c:\>cd contiki
c:\contiki>run_cont
Error: please load DPMI first
c:\contiki>type help.txt

In related news... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625542)

Linus Torvalds opened fire with an automatic weapon today on a Kentucky K-Mart, then placed the barrel of the gun 'neath his chin and blew his head off into the Juniors Clothing section.

Specs, just in case (4, Informative)

Cali Thalen (627449) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625559)

The web pages you are watching are served by a web server running under the Contiki operating system on an an Ethernut embedded Ethernet board, which consists of a 14 MHz AVR Atmega128 microcontroller with 32 kilobytes of RAM and 128 kilobytes of flash ROM, and a RealTek RTL8019AS Ethernet chip.
I'll be seriously impressed if this thing survives the morning

Re:Specs, just in case (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625628)

Ethernut

Was that a Fruedian slip? :)

Re:Specs, just in case (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625661)

(Score:4, Informative)
...
I'll be seriously impressed if this thing survives the morning

That's informative? On slashdot?

I just hope ... (1, Funny)

DogIsMyCoprocessor (642655) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625563)

Thor Heyerdahl doesn't slap him with a patent suit.

Re:I just hope ... (1)

iainl (136759) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625649)

Naaah.

Apart from anything, Thor Heyerdahl got pretty upset when people claimed there was no prior art there...

Re:I just hope ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625751)

How will we know: he is dead [songdog.net] .

Re:I just hope ... (1)

PsibrII (671768) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625855)

Or worse, chain him to an oar in his next replica ship that crosses the atlantic.

IN SOVIET RUSSIA!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625566)

Contiki ports you.



P.S. timothy likes it when he get ported.

New headline for article (5, Funny)

BillBrasky (610875) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625575)

This just in!

14 MHz web server Slashdotted! Oh the humanity!

holy melted silicone, batman! (5, Funny)

Lord_Slepnir (585350) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625584)

live VNC demo running.

What kind of sick bastard would slashdot a VNC connection? It's bad enough when you do it to an image file server or a site with a video or ISO, but a VNC CONNECTION on a computer that is too low powered for even Linux? What is wrong with you people?

Hold your misspellings, Robin! (4, Funny)

swb (14022) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625933)

Silicone is for making tits bigger and keeping water in the tub.

Silicon is what chips are made of.

Great Idea! (1)

6e7a (256012) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625590)

I've got a great idea! Let's port Contiki to a Turing Machine so it can browse the web, set up a web server, and doing other essential stuff. That will make porting it to other Turinig Complete platforms a piece of cake! :-)

Re:Great Idea! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625707)

A slashdotted Turing machine:

Error 500: This site has exceeded its monthly quota of paper tape. Please check again later.

A Post-Modern Cool Idea (3, Informative)

rwiedower (572254) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625592)

Here's [www.sics.se] a link to a screenshot of an old /. entry about said OS. It would've been cool if the "live" VNC shot was of this slashdot discussion, eh?

Pushing the limits of computing (5, Insightful)

groove10 (266295) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625593)

Kudos to Adam Dunkels for pushing the envelope of 8-bit computing. Many people will say "whats' the point of this." or "This has no application whatsoever and is a waste of time." but I disagree. Adam is making software and designing methods of programming to run internet based programs on chips and systems that where never designed for it, like the Atari Jaguar [digiserve.com] the Atari 8-bit console not to mention the C64. This work will allow others to get the motivation to push the envelope in other areas of computing as well.

It seems Adam has what was once prevailant in the computing and electronics industry. Tinkering and programming for the sheer joy of creating something new. In this way, programming and building systems like this are very similar to creating a piece of art, contrary to public opinion and modern developments in computing. Keep up the good work Adam. You are an inspriation to hobbyists in all fields.

Re:Pushing the limits of computing (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625769)

I think it also shows what can be done with limited resources. The deverloper has to create more efficiant code. In today's OSes, the bloat of the code is horrendous, ala windoze. Even the "cooler" OSes, like Linuz, have much code that is sub-optimal.

They say with faster CPUs and more memory will take care of that. Therefore, they can just keep piling on the crap code without thinking of resource constraints, i.e. - memory, cpu power. How long can this really last?

I commend the people who have worked on this OS. Some may see it as useless, I see it as hope that there will be better OSes built in the future, once the physical limits of the modern computer are reached.

Re:Pushing the limits of computing (1)

prefect42 (141309) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625783)

Steady on old boy. The jaguar was a 64-bit console, and a damn fine one at that. Alien vs Predator anyone?

Re:Pushing the limits of computing (2, Informative)

k98sven (324383) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625956)

Steady on old boy. The jaguar was a 64-bit console, and a damn fine one at that.

Well.. let's be really correct here, it was a 32/64-bit machine.
(32 bit processor)

In my book it counts as a 32-bit machine, but in any case, it's quite a far cry from an 8-bit machine.

Neat, now let's talk practical. (4, Interesting)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625594)

Besides the nostalgia/geek factor of running a web browser on your C64 (which I've been doing for years, well cheating by using the 64 as a dumb terminal and running lynx)

Maybe a Contiki based PDA? Contiki based email stations? Seems you could make such things dirt cheap using this as the OS.

Re:Neat, now let's talk practical. (3, Insightful)

Bonker (243350) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625893)

Practical? How about a good solution for impoverished communities worldwide that need web access to do things like report on the ways they're being repressed, tortured, enslaved, etc?

If a community can buy a single 386 and accompanying network setup for $100, then they can probably get a c64 quality computer for around $20, saving $80 of those dollars for things like food and bromine tablets for water purification.

Wow. (-1, Flamebait)

gregarican (694358) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625613)

Great. An OS that runs on crappy, outdated equipment and can't take more than 5 web hits at a time. Just what I was looking for.

Now maybe tonight I can get my Mattel Football game to function as a PDA. Sure that I will be that talk around the water cooler at the shoe store tomorrow.

Re:Wow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625698)

nice to see that the idiots that dont know crap about computers are the ones who are panning this.

Thanks for showing us that you are a complete idiot. We can now ignore everything you say as you have proven to usthat your are one of the morons.

Re:Wow. (0, Troll)

gregarican (694358) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625730)

Actually I have been programming on computers since the Apple ][ and was one of the first folks to pioneer OTA programming for cellular phones. Let's see you review the ITI/ETIAA standard and explain it to me, pinhead.

Nice to see that idiots who don't know crap about people who post aren't afraid to show their ignorance.

I know it's cool to elevate legacy hardware so that they can do things thought impossible. It was just a joke that I posted tongue-in-cheek.

Jackass...

Re:Wow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625863)

But you're still an idiot.

Have a nice day.

Re:Wow. (2, Insightful)

larien (5608) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625796)

Depends what you want to serve up. Sure, it won't be much use for a fully featured e-commerce site, but for a small document server (e.g. for FAQs) I'm sure it'll do fine.

Bear in mind the first web servers in the early days of the web were probably running on something of a similar CPU power to a 386.

Re:Wow. (1)

iantri (687643) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625807)

Actually, it can take 1 hit at a time. There's no multitasking. This is probably why Contiki servers in the past haven't melted when they get a mention on Slashdot like the C64 server.. if it is already serving a page you wait until it is free... can't really overload it.

Birds sing words and the flowers croon... (3, Funny)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625635)

...in Contiki, tiki, tiki, tiki, tiki room!

Pre-emptive multitasking? (3, Informative)

Daniel Phillips (238627) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625643)

From the FAQ [dunkels.com] :
Does Contiki support pre-emptive multitasking?


No, Contiki does cooperative multitasking. The reason for not supporting pre-emptive multitasking is that it would unnecessarily increase the complexity not only of the operating system, but also of the applications that would run under it. Pre-emptive multitasking is primarily useful in general purpose multiuser operating systems such as *nix, or in real-time systems where response time is critial. Contiki does not fit in either of those categories.
Hah, apparently this didn't stop the Geoworks [toastytech.com] people from pulling off a fully preemptive OS on the lowly 8088.

Re:Pre-emptive multitasking? (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625663)

But GEOS didnt multitask at all on the C64, though it was truly way ahead of it's time.

Re:Pre-emptive multitasking? (2, Informative)

mirko (198274) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625694)

Pre-emptive multitasking indeed costs more in system resources than cooperative.
Compare the fluidity of RiscOS with the fluidity of a Linux machine.
The first is used in many real time applications, like datacasting, black boxes, etc. while the second is good for server and desktop but not really for real-time demanding apps.
Simply because in a cooperative system, you know when an event shall occur.

Re:Pre-emptive multitasking? (4, Informative)

david.given (6740) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625810)

Also, preemption on some processors is an incredible pain: for example, the 6502 has a single, fixed address, 256-byte stack. In order to preempt a process on the 6502 you'd have to manually copy the entire stack somewhere else in memory, and copy another process' stack in. Not pleasant.

Great VNC link! (3, Funny)

not_a_george (687840) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625651)

wow that OS kinda looks like a page full of characters.. oh wait
poor little server
{meanwhile, somewhere else in the worl)
wow, we have a link on slashdot!
QUICK, WHO WANTS TO ROAST SOME MARSHMALLOWS!

TIMMAH (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625654)

IS A FAGGOT!

Heyyy... (1)

PAPPP (546666) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625667)

in one of those moments of painful geekyness, reading about the Z80 based port made me think of my old TI calcs...if it runs on the other systems mentioned, those would be plenty.

w00t! Drag out the CoCo !!! (1)

pair-a-noyd (594371) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625681)

I knew there was a good reason to save all those dino's.. Now I can add my CoCo's collection of working PC's! I think I'll set it up right next to my 5160 XT... /Now where's that extended disk rom basic cart??/

Hack gratia hacking (3, Interesting)

Futaba-chan (541818) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625683)

Somewhere in the depths of my basement, I have an old AT&T 7300 (MC68010-based "Unix PC") with an on-board 8088 PC emulator card that can run old DOS programs. I used the 7300 and some low-level hardware libraries that another hacker wrote in the late 80s/early 90s as my target machine for OS hacking back before I got scooped by Linux. I'm tempted to haul the thing out, snag the Contiki x86 distro, and hack something together to make the two talk to each other.

Hmm, and with a StarLAN to 10baseT router, I could get the resulting beastie on the net. Hmm....

Comcast to extend 3mbps trials (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625708)

Comcast to extend 3mbps trials [com.com]

By Jim Hu
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
August 5, 2003, 3:51 PM PT

Comcast plans to expand consumer trials for a 3mbps high-speed Internet service, the latest step in the cable giant's effort to double the speed of its standard cable modem product.

The new 30-day trial will begin Thursday in Pittsburgh for subscribers who pay $42.95 a month on top of basic cable TV service. A separate 3mbps test is already under way in Knoxville, Tenn. A company representative would not comment on whether Comcast plans to eventually offer 3mbps service to all of its subscribers.

"The reason (for the trial) is to determine how the change affects the network, how users value increased speeds and to help us develop the broadband experience for the future," Comcast spokeswoman Sarah Eder said.

Eder declined to comment on whether 3mbps plans might be offered as a more expensive option to Comcast's standard service.

The trials highlight the ongoing features war between broadband competitors--in this case, Comcast's cable modems and Verizon Communications' DSL (digital subscriber line) service. Because of their overlapping markets, both companies have toyed with boosting service perks in an attempt to lure more customers.

DSL providers, namely Verizon and SBC Communications, have been slashing prices in hopes of attracting new customers and stealing cable subscribers from rivals.

In May, Comcast CEO Brian Roberts said in a speech that speed hikes would be one critical factor in differentiating service from that of competitors.

"We should not be satisfied with 1.5mbps of speed," Roberts said, referring to the standard download speed that Comcast offers.

Indeed, some cable providers are already offering faster broadband speeds. Cablevision Systems, which serves areas outside New York, averages 3.5mbps and has been clocked as fast as 6.3mbps for its download speed, according to Broadbandreports.com, a Web site that tracks industry trends. Comcast was clocked at speeds of 1.7mbps.

DSL companies typically offer lower speeds or charge higher prices for comparable service. Verizon, for example, charges download speeds of up to 768kbps for $34.99 a month. The company also offers a premium service that promises downloand speeds of up to 1.5mbps for $59.99.

Amazing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625734)

That thing is doing better than most servers that get slashdotted. Hooray for the return of efficient code!

Am I the only one (2, Interesting)

miyako (632510) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625741)

who's first thought was to try and install this OS on a 3gz system with like a gig of ram?

Not the first.. (5, Informative)

iantri (687643) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625772)

These people were long beaten.. you can run a server on an XT with EZNOS (it also acts as an LPD print server!) or one of serveral other packages..

http://www.eznos.org [eznog.org]

Here's an XT running EZNOS [eznos.org] .. there's also other 8088/87 projects, a 386 and other stuff.. neat.

Also, a web server running on the original IBM PC [no-ip.com] .

I've been wating to get these people slashdotted ;)...

Contiki OS Problems! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625773)

I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Contiki OS fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a 486 running Contiki OS (w/64 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Contiki OS, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.

In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.

I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Contiki OS, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Contiki OS that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Contiki OS' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 300 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Contiki OS is a superior OS.

Contiki OS addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Contiki OS over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.

Re:Contiki OS Problems! (1)

mr_luc (413048) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625876)

. . . somewhere out there, someone is going to not realize that the parent is a form rant. ;) Fortunately, nobody uses Contiki, so there should be no counterflames.

Re:Poor hack job ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625970)

If you're gonna bother to do it, at least take a little time to do it right. Negative karma for you, not for perpetuating this post, but for doing a shoddy job. Whatever happened to pride in ones trolling?

Imagine.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625784)

...a beowulf cluster of these!

Just like old times... slow computers, and bad beowulf jokes...

damn! No Sinclair ZX80 port!! (2, Funny)

pair-a-noyd (594371) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625800)

I've got a mint condition ZX80 that I want to run a webserver on. Man, all my hopes and dreams dashed to hell.

Oh well, the CoCo will handle it though, all is not lost!

What about Minix (2, Insightful)

RevMike (632002) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625806)

Kudos to the Contiki folks. I don't think this is useful, but if they enjoyed themselves doing it, all the better for them!

This should give those of you who have an old x86 PC that is too small to run even the smallest of Linux variants, a chance to browse the web, set up a web server, and doing other essential stuff.

If you have an old pre-386 machine around, why not run Minix? That should make a far more useful machine.

neat but seriously how useful? (1)

planetzeos (664652) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625814)

Neat but seriously how useful? Sure it runs on hardware you use for coasters and cut up for keychains and made clocks out of. What Linux distro is similar to Contiki? Mini-Distros are pretty good but still not perfect. Is there a distro for example like RedHat, Gentoo, Suse that runs on a 486 with superior performance and uses virtual no resources like Contiki? I've kicked around the idea of putting one of my computers back into my car. It's a celeron 500 bookpc. I setup gentoo on it and it performs pretty good but what REAL available distros are available?

Re:neat but seriously how useful? (2, Informative)

pdbogen (596723) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625858)

What Linux distro is similar to Contiki?
Linux From Scratch. [linuxfromscratch.org]

like RedHat, Gentoo, Suse that runs on a 486 with superior performance and uses virtual no resources like Contiki?
Yes. [linuxfromscratch.org]

but what REAL available distros are available?
Linux From Scratch. [linuxfromscratch.org]

RE: Linux From Scratch (1)

planetzeos (664652) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625940)

Let me guess, I should check out Linux from Scratch? ;) Is it that different from Gentoo?

If you want something more useful (4, Informative)

edwdig (47888) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625848)

If you'd like to do something more useful with an older system, check out GEOS. It's currently being maintained by Breadbox [breadbox.com] , who has a demo available for download. Full preemptive multitasking. Comes with a web browser (HTML 4.0, no CSS or JS), email (POP3), AIM, FTP, News Reader, and a roughly MS Works level office suite. More software is available from it at Tva Katter [tvakatter.org] .

Older versions would run on an 8086 (one of the original design goals was that the WYSIWYG word processor could keep up with your typing on an 8086). The current version requires a 386. 2 megs of RAM should be fine for most things (even 1 will work ok), although you'd probably want at least 4 or 8 megs for browsing the web.

It is even themeable! (1)

notetoi (690572) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625849)

Where are the benchmarks?

Obligatory Translation of Download Page (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6625982)

Have Fun! [google.com] with this. Personally, us non-german types like to know whats going on. The OS is pretty sweet, but the x86 Port really is lacking in everything that some of the others have, But It'll still work on my 80286 lying around in the basement ;)

Maniac McGrath

Nooo!!! (3, Funny)

Zebra_X (13249) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625987)

Haven't we abused this poor machine enough. Just several weeks ago it was the victim of a slashdotting. Now once again the moderators seek to wipe it's presence from the net.

Silly embeded computer, web serving is for servers.

Implement this in a wristwatch/ring anyone? (2, Interesting)

janimal (172428) | more than 10 years ago | (#6625989)

Whoever said this has to do with old computers?! How about getting this running on a PIC? Having a wristwatch (a SMALL one!) or a grad ring act as a web server or some real functional computer would be really cool.
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