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Former Intel Engineer Pleads Guilty To Taliban Aid

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the not-as-originally-appeared dept.

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theodp writes "Following up on an earlier Slashdot story, software engineer Maher "Mike" Hawash pleaded guilty Wednesday to conspiring to provide services to the Taliban, agreeing to testify against other suspects in exchange for the dropping of other terrorism charges. He will serve at least seven years in federal prison under the deal. In March, federal agents seized Hawash from a parking lot outside Intel Corp., where he worked, and held him as a material witness until charges were filed five weeks later."

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YES!!! FINALLY!! (-1, Flamebait)

HanzoSan (251665) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631053)



Now fire all the Indian programmers so I can get a job!!!!!

Its about time we linked them to terrorism!

(no I'm not trying to be racist, its sarcasm)

Re:YES!!! FINALLY!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631070)

Do me a favor and shut the fuck up

-- Howard Dean

Re:YES!!! FINALLY!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631145)

No Howard, you shut up.

-- George W Bush

Heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631191)

Howard "Freethinker (Atheist)" Dean does a good enough job shooting himself in the foot, he doesn't need any help. Sorry but there is no way that decent Americans would elect such a man. Deal with it.

Re:YES!!! FINALLY!! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631096)

Damn, I was agreeing with you up to that sarcasm comment. Oh well.

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631056)

fp

Funny. (-1, Flamebait)

hackwrench (573697) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631057)

Funny how Fox News fails to mention that he worked for Intel. Kind of like how it is funny they neglect to mention the SCO problem.

Re:Funny. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631081)

Here. Take these pieces of straw. Since grasping seems to be your thing.

Re:Funny. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631093)

Does it matter that he worked for Intel? If it were someone else, would they be obligated to report "Bob Smith, who worked at K-Mart..."?

Re:Funny. (-1, Redundant)

Sammich (623527) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631099)

This news and more coming up right here on Fox News, Fair and Balanced.

Re:Funny. (2, Insightful)

Omnifarious (11933) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631139)

That IS funny, isn't it? But, Fox News couldn't possibly be being influenced by large corporations or politicians. They're a fair and balanced news source, they say so themselves!

Re:Funny. (1)

di0s (582680) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631168)

They're a fair and balanced news source...
Fair, balanced, and Slashdotted...

Re:Funny. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631156)

But they did mention that he worked for intel. Quoted from FoxNews.com Article: "In March, federal agents seized Hawash, 38, from a parking lot outside Intel Corp., where he worked, ..." (Re: "...Fox News fails to mention that he worked for Intel", hackwrench)

Re:Funny. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631178)

Okay, here's the corrected version of hackwrench's post:
Funny how Fox News explicitly mentions that he worked for Intel. Kind of like how it is funny they decide not to mention the SCO problem.
Sure, this version doesn't make one damn bit of sense, but then, neither did the original.

shoulda shaved or something (5, Funny)

gfody (514448) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631065)

look at him [foxnews.com] .. I don't mean to come off as a racist or anything, but seriously. when you are in fact a terrorist, wouldn't it make sense to sharpen up a little, maybe try and cut down on the co-worker-thinks-im-a-terrorist-because-i-look-lik e-this factor?

Exactly, he looks like a terrorist so arrest him. (1, Insightful)

HanzoSan (251665) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631090)



Now when will white males with bald heads be arrested for looking like terrorists?

Re:Exactly, he looks like a terrorist so arrest hi (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631172)

Look out! It's a self righteous liberal!

Think you fucktard. White males? Fuck no! Arabs!

thats right, how dare muslims look like muslims!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631106)

this is amerikkka after all!

Re:shoulda shaved or something (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631129)

He didn't always look like that. I worked with him. It was only after 9/11 that he started to change. He said he wanted to get back to his roots. He was just a funny average American prior to 9/11. I thought up until now that he was innocent.

Re:shoulda shaved or something (5, Funny)

gfody (514448) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631158)

at least they caught him before he was able to complete his mission and convince you guys to implement cpu serials numbers in the p4

Re:shoulda shaved or something (3, Funny)

leiz (35205) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631219)

reminds me of Stallman...

So what? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631067)

If the guy worked at Burger King, this wouldn't be news. What the fuck is wrong with you people?
News for turds indeed.

Question for the mods (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631087)

How is this redundant?

Fuck you, dickless (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631161)

WHY THE FUCK DID YOU MOD THIS REDUNDANT!?

I have an unlimited number of proxies... do your worst.

Remember when.. (-1, Flamebait)

TedCheshireAcad (311748) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631069)

Remember when the Feds snatching this guy from Intel was a big deal here at /.? When we all thought that the FBI was overstepping their bounds? When we all thought that they were wrong; that an Intel engineer couldn't possibly be guilty?

...owned.

Re:Remember when.. (5, Insightful)

Omnifarious (11933) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631113)

They still were. Them happening to be right about him being a criminal doesn't excuse it. If you have all kinds of secrets from the people who are supposed to ostensibly be your boss (We, the people, remember?) you have to expect them to get really cranky and upset with you. The FBI had no business being so secretive about it all.

Re:Remember when.. (1)

geekee (591277) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631185)

"They still were. Them happening to be right about him being a criminal doesn't excuse it. If you have all kinds of secrets from the people who are supposed to ostensibly be your boss (We, the people, remember?) you have to expect them to get really cranky and upset with you. The FBI had no business being so secretive about it all."

One conspirator is still at large. There are reasons for secrecy, one being not to tip off co-conspirators that you're on to them.

Re:Remember when.. (5, Insightful)

elmegil (12001) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631224)

Exactly. It is not reasonable to hold people for weeks without charge, regardless. I think it's also interesting to note that a plea bargain may be what it says it is, or it may constitute a coerced admission (coerced by the alternative of losing even if you're right, and spending 20+ years instead of 7 in jail). Beyond all that, this guy utterly failed to actually provide any aid to the Taliban, and it seems unlikely that he'd undertake any "true" terrorism (I think there's some significant difference between attempting to be a mercenary for your cause in a battlefield and bringing the battlefield to civilians after all).

All that said, there's nothing for it but to accept the plea as presented until such a time as Mike recants it. And if he'd been successful, and caught on the field of battle, he would deserve having a book thrown at him as much as John Walker Lindh. But having failed at that, I think it's outrageous that he was facing the same or greater sentence than Lindh himself (20 years).

Re:Remember when.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631115)

Maybe the "real" Saddam Hussain is hiding as a /.er!

Re:Remember when.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631116)

Arresting someone and jailing them for 3 months without charging them with a crime is unconstitutional and certainly "overstepping their bounds", you moronic hitlerjugend.

It's fucking war you stupid MONKEY. (-1, Troll)

zymano (581466) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631218)

President has all the powers he needs . Why don't you go to the white house and bring your Ak-47 and tell them you want to speak to the prez if you think your so rightous about rights. You'll get your ass nailed hard.

Re:Remember when.. (4, Insightful)

ramk13 (570633) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631121)

Remember when 'innocent until proven guilty' meant something?

I'm sure you'll change your tone if the government decides to 'own' you.

Re:Remember when.. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631141)

You liberals can't let facts get in the way of your self-righteous arguments.

He was guilty. We caught him. Get over it.

Re:Remember when.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631182)

Can't wait until "We" go Night Of The Long Knives all over your ass.

Re:Remember when.. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631200)

You republican apologists can't let common sense get in the way of your New World Order.

Make a cogent argument or shut the fuck up.

Re:Remember when.. (3, Informative)

rot26 (240034) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631125)

yeah but... it's fairly common for innocent people to plead guilty to lesser charges if they and their lawyers are convinced that they're likely to be convicted of something significantly more serious if it goes to trial. (One was a drinking buddy of mine.)

I'm not saying that this is the case here (in fact, it doesn't look like it at all) but it does happen, and I think it's one of the larger flaws in our justice system.

Re:Remember when.. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631143)

Silly me. Of couse the end justifies the means.

Re:Remember when.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631154)

Well, we don't know that he's guilty. All we know is that he was held secretly and has now pled guilty in order to get a lighter sentence.

All this hole-and-corner secret manoveuring makes it impossible to tell whether or not justice is being done.

Our constitution is being shredded before our eyes with this sort of crap.

Yeah, yeah spare me the "I knowed that he was guilty, he got a beard" rant. It proves nothing.

Re: Remember when.. (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631232)


> Yeah, yeah spare me the "I knowed that he was guilty, he got a beard" rant. It proves nothing.

Could be worse; he might be a UNIX guru.

Re:Remember when.. (4, Insightful)

shivianzealot (621339) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631165)

Remember when the Feds snatching this guy from Intel was a big deal here at /.? When we all thought that the FBI was overstepping their bounds? When we all thought that they were wrong; that an Intel engineer couldn't possibly be guilty?

...owned.

You're not a lawyer, and niether am I, but I think it should be noted that in the US _justice_ system, regardless of innocence or guilt, a plea bargain is often going to be tempting in proportion to how likely you are to win a case (your legal re$ources vs. theirs). Really, as I recall (I have not RTFA, of course!) he was otherwise facing something like ten times this to life. What would you do, even if innocent?

perfectly said. (0, Offtopic)

zymano (581466) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631181)

Most on this board were wrong and they MODDED by my comments down about the guy being a terrorist. Wouldn't be surprised if BinLaden is a Moderator on this board.

Re:Remember when.. (1)

MrLint (519792) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631189)

agreeing to a plea bargain doesn't always mean you are guilty. Being convicted doesn't always mean you are guilty. Try to find an article on NPR-This american life, about the innocence project. That is personal terrorism.

***I know nothing about this case i am not commenting on it in specific***

Good riddance! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631072)

Serves him right, I hope he gets the ass pounding of a lifetime.

Oh and Also (-1, Troll)

HanzoSan (251665) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631073)



Maybe now that we have the Patriot Act passed, Operations Tips, and many of these other laws, we can declare all the other minorities terrorists and taliban supporters, this way Bush can go back on TV and claim jobs have been created.

Re:Oh and Also (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631109)

Here. Takes these pieces of straw too. Since grasping seems to be your thing.

Fucking Karma whore.

Do we have a sarcasm dupe here? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631117)

Geez, man; once was enough...

No, we don't... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631144)

we have sarcasm tripe.

Or is that "trip?"

Or just triple...

Re:Oh and Also (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631123)

Yeah, you liberals sure can't let facts get in the way of your arguments.

The guy was guilty. We caught him. Get over it.

Maher "Mike" Hawash (1, Funny)

embedded_C (653649) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631075)

... you are a very bad person. You are hereby sentenced to seven years in a federal pound me in the ass prison.

Re:Maher "Mike" Hawash (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631133)

Hmmm...I guess not everyone has seen "Office Space"...(cough cough mod cough)

Talaban != Government? (5, Insightful)

thoolie (442789) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631080)

Could someone explain why people are comparing the Talaban to Al Queda? To my knowledge, the Talaban was a ruling party of a country that had a military as well as all other aspects of governmental control. This would make individuals who helped and served under them solders or agents (spies, commandos, ect...). The Talaban is not a Terrorist Organization. So why are people who helped them being comared and tried as terrorists? I know they harbored Al Queda, but so did/does Pakistan/Saudi/Iran/EUA/Malaysia/ect...

I have just been wondering, those guys don't care about the US, the just want to make sure they don't alow their kids to eat pork or their wives to be seen in public, (that does not make them terrorists. Wacky, yes, terrorists, no).

??

The Taliban is NOT Al Qaeda, thats the whole point (1, Troll)

HanzoSan (251665) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631126)


The Taliban was a legit government, it had absolutely nothing to do with Al Qaeda just like Iraq had nothing to do with Al Qaeda, but terrorists were Wahabi, and the Taliban were Wahabi, and they both were around the same area, oh and the Bin Laden was friends with them.

I guess Bin Laden was friends with Saddam too, and Saudi Arabian, South Africa, etc.

Re:The Taliban is NOT Al Qaeda, thats the whole po (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631202)

Why, then, didn't they give up bin Laden when we asked?

At least we got to bomb the shit out of somebody

Bush2004!

Re:The Taliban is NOT Al Qaeda, thats the whole po (1)

PeteyG (203921) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631209)

The Taliban was a legit government, it had absolutely nothing to do with Al Qaeda just like Iraq had nothing to do with Al Qaeda, but terrorists were Wahabi, and the Taliban were Wahabi, and they both were around the same area, oh and the Bin Laden was friends with them.

It's hard to define what a 'legit' government is. But you can't really argue that the Taliban had nothing to do with Al Qaeda. Everyone in the world knew that the Taliban was helping out Al Qaeda with money, lots of land for training camps, protection from the U.S., etc.

Everyone knew that Taliban and Al Qaeda were in bed. That's why everyone looked at Afghanistan on September 12.

Re:The Taliban is NOT Al Qaeda, thats the whole po (1)

Lars T. (470328) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631216)

Bin Laden called Saddam an Infidel.

Re:The Taliban is NOT Al Qaeda, thats the whole po (1)

Ralph Wiggam (22354) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631221)

The royal family of Saudi Arabia are Wahabi, too. As I understand it, Wahabism is to Islam what Puritanism is to Christianity.

-B

Re:The Taliban is NOT Al Qaeda, thats the whole po (1)

Beryllium Sphere(tm) (193358) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631230)

o Only two countries, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, recognized the Taliban as the government of Afghanistan.

o The Taliban were kept in power by Arab fighters from Al Qa'ida. In turn, they provided a safe haven for Osama bin Laden's training camps and operations. That's where the world headquarters were, and the Taliban continued to protect Osama bin Laden even after the world saw the full extent of his evil.

o This wasn't very long ago and was extensively reported.

Re:Talaban != Government? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631148)

"The Talaban is not a Terrorist Organization."

They send suicide bombers into Pakistan to try to murder Musharraf. They are terrorists.

Re:Talaban != Government? (1)

thoolie (442789) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631197)

We sent CIA agents to Afhganistan to try and kill Mula Omar (befor the war started). Were they terrorists?

Absolutely not. (1)

HanzoSan (251665) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631208)



Because Mula Omars Al Qaeda attacked us first.

Furthermore... (2, Insightful)

thoolie (442789) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631163)

From the article;

"Hawash pleaded guilty to conspiring to provide services to the Taliban"

If I lend my serviced to Germany to help them fight France as a german agent, am I then a terrorist? No. I would be captured. I would then be help as a POW. (or killed and thrown in a ditch...). After the war (it ended a while ago), I would return home (unless i commited war crimes, aka Mengela.

I think we need to start seperating Governments from Terrorist organizations. The USSR was never a Terrorist Organization, yet they wanted to see us blowed up more than Afhganistand ever could have. Iraq and Afghanistan were countries with armys. They were not terrorist organizations. Their solders were not terrorists (unless enrolled in Al Queda). We really need to draw a line. :~%

Re:Furthermore... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631193)

The differnece is that he is an American Citizen who was giving aid to a foreign nation he had no status in. If people weren't so touchy-feely about arabs he would have been executed.

Re:Furthermore... (1, Insightful)

GreatOgre (75402) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631238)

If I lend my serviced to Germany to help them fight France as a german agent, am I then a terrorist? No. I would be captured. I would then be help as a POW. (or killed and thrown in a ditch...)

Since you would be considered a spy, if I remember the Geneva Convention correctly, you would probably be shot and thrown in a ditch. However, some cultures have very interesting ways of handling spies. Here in the US most spend a significant amount of time in prison. I wish we'ld go back to shooting spies.

Re:Talaban != Government? (0, Insightful)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631186)

Could someone explain why people are comparing the Talaban to Al Queda?

Give me a harder question next time, the reason for the comparison is simple. It provided justification for an unjust military action.

This is simply a case of "All of those brown people are the same to the semi literate consumeroids who are watching CNN". The Taliban acted in the same way that France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Norway or any other reasonable country would have in the case of Osama Bin Laden.

After 9/11/01 the US asked the government of Afghanistan if they had him, they replied that he was under their control and that they would turn him over, if the US was willing to provide proof that he had done something wrong.

Instead of providing that proof, we and the Russians (our adversary from long before I was born until the early 1990's) started bombing them. We bombed them for no good reason. The international community was largely silent because no one wanted to risk the wrath of the US after ~3000 of our citizens were violently killed in a terrorist attack.

The Taliban was a horrible regime, but they were not a threat in any way to the immediate security of the US.

I have just been wondering, those guys don't care about the US, the just want to make sure they don't alow their kids to eat pork or their wives to be seen in public, (that does not make them terrorists. Wacky, yes, terrorists, no).

Doesn't even make them wacky. Their beliefs were not too much different than those of the Orthodox or Hasidic Jews that we have here.

LK

Jews? (3, Insightful)

thoolie (442789) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631223)

"Doesn't even make them wacky. Their beliefs were not too much different than those of the Orthodox or Hasidic Jews that we have here."

Are you saying that Jews aren't wacky too? ;-)

(I was just kidding about that last part in both posts!)

Re:Talaban != Government? (2, Informative)

kfg (145172) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631198)

That is correct. The Taliban != Government.

They were only recognized as such by three countries out of the whole wide world. It wouldn't take many guesses to get all three.

The Taliban was a revolutionary force seeking to oust the legitimate governement recognized by the rest of the world. They held no aspects of government control but operated territory under their sway ( which never even amounted to a clear majority of territory) under pure martial law. They had no civil police. No civil law for such civil police to enforce.

When outside military forces entered Afghanistan they did so in support of the recognized legitimate government which still held the northern portion of the country and said government's military forces bore the brunt of the fighting.

KFG

Re:Talaban != Government? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631212)

The Talaban is not a Terrorist Organization.

Well you are right in the sense that they are not a terrorist organization in that they are no longer an organization of any kind. When they blew up the Budda statues is when I knew that their days were numbered. Karma anyone?

This is scarey (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631083)

I worked with him and thought, up to now, that he was innocent.

Re:This is scarey (1)

tlayne (20529) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631130)

Who knows, you may have been right. Maybe Mike just figured 7 years is better than 20.

Re:This is scarey (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631235)

Or maybe he was "persuaded" to sign a confession. Who knows.

Yes, but (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631086)

What does Arnold Schwagzeneger think about this?

Treasonous criminal or not... (4, Insightful)

Shenkerian (577120) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631094)

Whatever else people will say about this guy, he did not get what he deserved. Everything after and including his arrest was fair and deserved, but the five weeks of being held as a material witness were complete bullshit. The officials abused the statute to hold him indefinitely and complete their case research. If it hadn't received the media attention it did, they probably would have held him longer before finally arresting him.

Re:Treasonous criminal or not... (-1, Flamebait)

Jack Comics (631233) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631214)

Oh, so, you'd rather have had a guy that aided terrorists out and about for five more weeks, where he could aid them even further and/or flee the country, just so you wouldn't have a guilty conscience?

Whatever you may think of the Justice Department, those were five weeks that he was alive. Can't say that for the nearly 3,000 people he helped murder.

LOREM IPSUM (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631095)

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Re:LOREM IPSUM (0, Offtopic)

bersl2 (689221) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631176)

Tace, caudex.

Oops, 'sposed to be AC. IGNORE PARENT!!!! (0, Offtopic)

bersl2 (689221) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631203)

/me sowwy...

Wonder how much his 'defense fund' received (2, Interesting)

A Commentor (459578) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631097)

On his Free Mike Hawash site [freemikehawash.org] , they still have paypal donations links, and statements about his 'innocence'. I wonder how much money they racked it.

Re:Wonder how much his 'defense fund' received (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631122)

Probably funneled to terrorist organizations

How Long could YOU hold out (-1, Flamebait)

Erik_the_Awful (675368) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631107)

Sure. Great. The US Gestopo rides again. I am again more afraid of my government that of the "terrorists."

Re:How Long could YOU hold out (1)

ErikZ (55491) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631160)

Why, are you willing to take up arms against the US and die as a martyr to defend the Taliban?

Then you should be afraid.

Re:How Long could YOU hold out (1)

Erik_the_Awful (675368) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631226)

No. The Taliban is indefensible. I will speak out when the United States Government breaks the law. And when the arrest a guy who looks the wrong way and practices the wrong religion and hides him away for five weeks and THEN he pleads guilty, I have to believe him before I believe the US government.

That is some damning testimony (5, Informative)

UnderScan (470605) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631110)

From the news bit:
"You and the others in the group were prepared to take up arms, and die as martyrs if necessary, to defend the Taliban. Is this true?" U.S. District Judge Robert E. Jones asked Hawash during the hearing.

"Yes, your honor," Hawash replied.

I had really hoped that the US Gov was wrong for nabbing a US citizen. I had hoped that there would be a suite against the gov for violating civil rights.
But Damn!
This doesn't look good.

Article slashdotted, entire text here: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631111)

[... snip out boring stuff...]

Sources close to the controversy report hearing Former-Intel Engineer Maher "Mike" Hawash screaming and then loud thumps, before noting a non-descript black van leaving the prison where he was being held.

Administration Spokesperson Dill Franken had this to say, "While we cannot reveal the identity of the individuals for reasons of National Security, we can safely say that we have thwarted a terrorist network in their attempts to threaten the government, and our way of life."

He then went on to check his watch and remarked, "He should be arriving at Camp X-ray, right... about... now!" He then took some questions and concluded the press conference.

Bad Dog, no biscuit (1)

westyvw (653833) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631118)

Who wouldnt be mad at the US for thier policies?
But to conspire against the US to hurt civilians? He is going down. Thats not the way we do things here.

CNN and Reuters are biased (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631120)

Funny how both of those swiss watches of news reporting refused to acknowledge the ties he had to terrorists and the taliban.

good to know both of those news outlets are protecting our minds from knowing too much information.

The Patriot Act ... (1)

Ignorant Aardvark (632408) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631127)

See America? The Patriot Act does work!

Well, once ... nevermind that we still have hundreds who have been incarcerated for over a year now as "material witnesses" or what have you whose rights to habeas corpus are clearly being denied. But what do I know? Maybe in the eyes of Bush, it's worth it to jail hundreds of potentially innocent people to catch that one person with ties to the Taliban?

Taliban Inside (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631132)

'nuff said.

All this comes courtesy of.. (2, Interesting)

MrPerfekt (414248) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631142)

FoxNews! The most factually solid news organization ever... anyway, I'm inclined to believe he was bullied into this plea deal.

"Just say you're guilty and we'll be easier on you"

Of course, I don't have any proof of this. But I just get that feeling. There is absolutely _NO_ reason to hold a person without charging them for five weeks. That's absurd. But then again, drumming up some charges does take a while.

You know what's sad about this? (5, Insightful)

Faizdog (243703) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631153)

Soo many people had rallied around him because of the problems minorities (especially Muslim ones) face in today's conditions. Unfortunately because he has pleaded guilty, next time people will just assume the person is guilty, and they won't rally around the new person, even though he/she may be innocent.

Mark my words, there will be innocents who get caught up, and due to cases like this people will be reluctant to support them. Sad.

Did he has a choice? (1)

HanzoSan (251665) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631184)



If he didnt plead guilty the Government could just declare him an enemy combantant and lock him up anyway, so it doesnt matter how he pleads, he pleads guilty because at least he will be in a normal prison and not guantonimo bay getting tortured or whatever (who knows what happens over there?)

Bring back the firing squad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631169)

If I were dictator this fucking asshole would be filled full of lead until there was nothing left of his body but a fine red powder. Sorry for the vitriol but the message must be sent: you cannot betray the US without betraying the safety of the people and families that live here. We may never know if this guy contributed to the 9/11 attacks but we must never become complacent or back away from protecting our o'wn safety.

September 11, 2001: 3,000+ Americans dead -- NEVER FORGET

At least... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631174)

... they eventually charged him with something.

How sad is it that I can say that?

Remember kids... (4, Funny)

AvantLegion (595806) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631190)

... Intel supports terrorism. Buy AMD.

US supported the Taliban too (0)

GillBates0 (664202) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631201)

I don't know if he really did something wrong...but Taliban!=Al Queda. The US supplied arms to the Taliban too, against the Soviets: See this article [commondreams.org] . He may or may not be wrong, but I just wish all the people around would stop their kneejerk/racist comments

[snip]
During the Cold War in the 1980s, billions in weaponry and military training was funneled by the CIA, through Pakistan, to the Afghans fighting against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

Out of that CIA-backed resistance emerged the Taliban, which today controls most of Afghanistan and the sprawling terrorist enterprise controlled by Osama bin Laden, whom the Taliban is believed to be harboring.
[/snip]

Re:US supported the Taliban too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631236)

Mod the parent funny and/or insightful. The U.S. government is one of the most hypocritical organizations that ever existed on planet earth. Yes, I am American. And yes, I think the U.S. Government is off its rocker.

And he's a bad guy WHY??? (0, Troll)

Txiasaeia (581598) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631211)

The Taliban were oppressive. They didn't like foreigners. Sure, but what makes them TERRORISTS? So what if I decide to join the Taliban and decide that I want to die for them?

How would you Yanks like it if an Iranian was caputured by his gov't, held in prison for five weeks, then admitting allegiance to the USA?

Come ON, this is /. -- I'd expect ignorant opinions from other Americans (including my mom's relatives, her being American), but we're supposed to be SMARTER here! Being a member of the losing side doesn't make him a terrorist, doesn't make him a criminal, it just makes him (at worst) a spook who's identity was exposed. Somebody explain to me WHY the States gives hugs and kisses to the Geneva Conventions when they feel like it, and piss on them when it suits their own agenda?

OMG!!! (1)

xigxag (167441) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631229)

So that's what happened to Mike Abrash??? Who woulda thunk...oh Hawash...

Never mind...dumb story anway...

The patriotic CPU.. (1, Funny)

Stormie (708) | more than 10 years ago | (#6631231)

..I'm so glad I use AMD exclusively!

Linux the terriorist software (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6631239)

Intel the terriost hardware. Those Sand Nigger's are gonna pay.
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