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Worst Linux Annoyances?

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the don't-be-shy dept.

Books 1918

greenrd writes "Ever spent hours trying (and failing) to get a printer driver to work on Linux? Struggled to configure something ever-so-slightly out-of-the-ordinary? What have been your biggest annoyances when using Linux? Three O'Reilly authors are compiling a book on Linux annoyances - and their suggested solutions - and they've started a mailing list here. I can't help but think, though, that such a book will be dated quite quickly. Sure, some problems do languish unfixed for years - but equally, I suspect many of the problems will be fixed before, or soon after, the book's publication date. Still, increased visibility might motivate developers to create fixes or workarounds for some of the problems, so maybe this is an ideal opportunity to get your pet peeve finally addressed!"

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RPM (-1)

Sexual Asspussy (453406) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644760)

RTFM (3, Funny)

slyxter (609602) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644765)

My biggest annoyance is the fat guy in a penguin shirt yelling RTFM lamer.

Who? (0, Flamebait)

siskbc (598067) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644792)

My biggest annoyance is the fat guy in a penguin shirt yelling RTFM lamer.

Who, Linus? *ducks to avoid flying penguin toys*

XFree86 (-1)

bytes256 (519140) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644767)

See Subject. 'Nuff said.

Re:XFree86 (1)

diersing (679767) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644905)

I've been pretty lucky with X. But I can certainly see your point.

Throw in - WINE, command line compiling, command line uncompressing, ./make, ./install, command line 'mounting' of network shares.

I'm learing my command line ways, but to make inroads in the desktop community, the masses needs GUIs and lots of them. From downloading and installing software to mapping drives, people needs to point and click to feel warm & fuzzy.

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6644768)

phrist post

Re:fp (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6644786)

No. YOU FAIL IT! Thanks for playing -- better luck next time.

itself (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6644769)

linux is nothing but a huge annoyance.

you fag geeks can spend your friday nights re-configuring kernels and shit, while the rest of us are out drinkin' and getting laid

losers

Re:itself (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6644859)

i drink, get laid, AND recompile my kernel (sometimes at the same time too!).

all on a friday night. GO MULTITASKING!

Re:itself (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6644869)

... while the rest of us are out drinkin' and getting laid
You rather mean being f**ked in the ass and drinking semen?

kernal modules (3, Redundant)

akaina (472254) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644772)

loading kernel modules

Most Common Linux Annoyance (4, Funny)

Joe Jordan (453607) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644773)

"Where's the Start button????"

Re:Most Common Linux Annoyance (1)

j0e_average (611151) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644845)

It's got to be that gosh darned command line ... oh, wait that's also my favorite feature... it's a love-hate thing...

Re:Most Common Linux Annoyance (1)

brokencomputer (695672) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644849)

Its the picture of the foot (in gnome) in the bottom left corner just like it is in windows.

Easy... (5, Funny)

ryanvm (247662) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644774)

What have been your biggest annoyances when using Linux?

Easy - you guys.

Biggest Pet-Peeve? (2, Insightful)

jonfromspace (179394) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644775)

Gotta be lack of informed mainstream media coverage.

If I hear "No one ever got fired for buying Microsoft" one more time, I am gonna snap.

Re:Biggest Pet-Peeve? (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644876)

Huh. That's what they used to say about IBM. Funny thing is: many years ago, I knew this IT manager working at a major Burroughs site in London who did get fired just for suggesting that they buy IBM. Served him right... :-)

This shouldn't be hard (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6644776)

EVERYTHING!

Stick with Windows baby

#windows-help / EFNet "We actually care to help rather than bitch and say RTFM" :-)

Re:This shouldn't be hard (1)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644871)

Well just by checking out netcraft.com and seeing what Microsoft servers are running, several of them run BSD and Linux still; in fact if you do a search for *.microsoft.com, the first 10 or so are ALL Linux. This has been a running gag for the longest time. Hotmail servers used to ALL run on Linux with Apache. It wasn't until recently that they switched them over to 2003 and still quite a few of them remain on Linux. And on their higher load servers they are running Linux and BSD.

So if Windows isn't good enough for Microsofts high end servers, why should it be good for mine? They are setting a precident by saying that their product isn't good enough to handle their high load.

I hate how.... (-1, Troll)

John3 (85454) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644780)

updates don't download automatically when I go to the Windows Update site.

Wine (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6644781)

Wine -still can't get it to work

That damn penguin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6644783)

He's so cutesy, looks like one of hello kitty's playmates.

Re:That damn penguin (2, Funny)

teval (683486) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644874)

"Some people have told me they don't think a fat penguin really embodies the grace of Linux, which just tells me they have never seen an angry penguin charging at them in excess of 100 mph. They'd be a lot more careful about what they say if they had." -Linus Trovals Speaks for itself

Hunting (5, Insightful)

PktLoss (647983) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644785)

By far, hunting down layer after layer of dependency while trying to install software, only to meet conflicts is my biggest problem.

I am running RH8, and an somewhat of a linux newbie, but i have speant hours trying to get the right versions of software installed, often with two four levels of dependency, (ie Software i want needs x, which needs y, which needs z, which needs a...). I recently installed apt, which made it a bit easier for software it indexes.

Windows software downloads can be big and bloated with DLLs but they generally work out of the box.

Re:Hunting (2, Insightful)

zifty (692892) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644880)

This is exactly why BSD's ports, Gentoo's portage, and Debian's apt systems were invented.

I tired of installing software on Redhat very quickly after trying linux for the first time. I almost didn't pick it back up, but someone told me Debian made all those problems with dependencies go away.

Do yourself a favor and try one of the above. I run Gentoo currently, and I would NEVER go back to a an unintelligent package management system (like RPM) ever again.

Re:Hunting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6644882)

A modern distro like Debian or Gentoo will fix that.

Unmounting devices (4, Insightful)

Wumpus (9548) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644787)

Not being able to unmount a removable storage device (CD, my digital camera, whatever) because some process had the bright idea of keeping an open file on it, or hanging around with it as its cwd. Nautilus used to be especially bad in this regard.

Re:Unmounting devices (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6644861)

man fuser

Re:Unmounting devices (4, Informative)

AntiFreeze (31247) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644906)

you don't know about lsof, do you?

"lsof /mountpoint/" will show you exactly what file descriptors are open, and allow you to easily terminate them by PID. lsof has a plethora of options, check out the man page, I'm sure you'll find it remarkably helpful.

Getting a modem to work (1)

endeitzslash (570374) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644788)

My worst agony was fooling around in the /dev/ttyS* trying to get my modem to work. This was with Redhat 5.something and I didn't know what the hell I was doing.

That it contains SCO code (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6644790)

Those stealing linux people. Geez.

Worst Linux annoyance EVER (5, Funny)

levik (52444) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644791)

I got three letters for you:

S .... C ... O

Now who can beat that?

Re:Worst Linux annoyance EVER (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6644904)

Yeah it is annoying that linux is so full of stolen code and you can't use it with a clean conscience.

my opinion (1)

borgdows (599861) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644793)

My biggest and only annoyance with Linux is SCO!

Here's one. (2)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644794)

Setting print preferences so that I can print more than one page to a sheet of paper. I know there's psnup, but it's not that convenient.

Worst Linux Annoyances? (5, Insightful)

grennis (344262) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644795)

The most annoying thing about Linux is that people compare it to Windows and point out the differences as "annoying".

Different can be better, but yes, there may be a learning curve... and that can be annoying for some.

The lack of ..... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6644796)

The fact that linux isnt linux, there isnt a unified linux architecture, which will hinder in its growth into mainstream as commercial packages are harder to build for just "linux" rather than mandrake redhat debian whatever

Biggest annoyance (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6644798)

My biggest Linux annoyance is that it doesn't run Windows games. Sure, you can get some 5 year old games to run by sacrificing a chicken to the Winex gods, but if you want to play any decent games you MUST run Windows.

My biggest annoyance... (5, Insightful)

cnelzie (451984) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644799)

...is that someone will take my annoyances and write a book about those annoyances and then make a hella amount of money from it... leaving me holding my annoyances, until someone fixes it, since I can't code myself out of, let alone into a box...

Cripes...

Trying to get a Nvidia dual port card to work (2, Interesting)

teutonic_leech (596265) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644802)

After messing around with X for a week, I finally had the insight to download the Nvidia driver from their site. Worked like a charm right away, but there should have been more documentation on this. This book might just be what the Linux community needs. Then again, what does that say about the user friendlyness of Linux? ;-)

Switching from windoze (2, Insightful)

relyter (696205) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644804)

Using windows for more than ten years (from parents, school, work, etc.) then being dropped to the wolves in Linux. Not than Linux isn't several magnitudes better than windows, just unfamiliar.

Crashing (1)

Coocha (114826) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644806)

Mandrake 9.1:

% ps -ax

ps returned with SIGSEGV 11

GODDAMMIT!!

Also, that $699 modest distribution fee.

Re:Crashing (2, Informative)

AsparagusChallenge (611475) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644916)

I don't know if you're a troll or not, and I don't care, since it's on a higher good:

If ps segfaults be careful and check your box, that may be a sign of having been cracked.

Slashdot Five Questions Contest: +1, Patriotic (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6644807)


1. Where is Saddam Hussein?

2. Where are Uday and Qusai Hussein? DNA evidence required.

3. Where is Osama bin Laden?

4. Where is President-Vice Cheney?

5. Where is Jon Katz?

Cheers,
W00t

DVD Player (2, Insightful)

leafsfanatic (621492) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644808)

DVD support is the only reason I keep a Windows partition.

Re:DVD Player (1)

non (130182) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644902)

if you mean for watching dvd movies, try ogle.

Re:DVD Player (1)

nutshell42 (557890) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644903)

funny, I use Linux exclusively for DVDs, nothing beats xine's performance/picture quality, especially the deinterlacing of the Windows apps I know doesn't come close to xine's linear blend

Re:DVD Player (1)

temojen (678985) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644911)

apt-get install xine

Hardware support (3, Flamebait)

Surak (18578) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644811)

Still not going away after 10+ years. :)

Have you ever installed an ATAPI CD burner? Not exactly plug-and-play. nVidia GeForce card? Not bad, but if you happen to have an AMD Athlon with the AGP problem, um, have fun. :) Scanner? Web cam? These things generally aren't all that easy to install.

When I get a webcam or CD burner and install it on Window, I pop the CD in, click 'Next >' a whole bunch of times and bammo, working hardware, software and all.

On Linux, heh. If you don't know much about configuring and compiling the kernel, kernel modules, etc., forget it. :)

Gnome 2.2's lack of right click close all. (1)

brokencomputer (695672) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644813)

When gnome 1.3 grouped similar items in the task bar; (ie all the mozilla browser windows) I was happy. 2.2 doesn't have this feature. I don't like KDE as much as gnome so I'm stuck with this. Also, graphics configuration is a pain especially for ATI.

from a user's perspective (2, Interesting)

jd142 (129673) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644814)

Lack of easy support for my intellimouse explorer. I'm so used to using the side buttons to go forward and back when browsing the web it's jarring when I move from mozilla on windows to mozilla on linux.

Re:from a user's perspective (1)

fruey (563914) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644897)

Linux can "see" those buttons. Getting Mozilla to do something with them might be a bit harder though.

I use keys mostly when browsing, anyway...

Printing (1)

kasperd (592156) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644818)

Ever spent hours trying (and failing) to get a printer driver to work on Linux?

No, I never tried that. OTOH after my mother had spent months trying (and failing) to get a printer to work on Windows, I got the same printer working on Linux in five minutes.

Worst annoyance? SCO (0, Redundant)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644819)

The worst annoyance is SCO. Every time I try to use Linux, there's some SCO attorney standing there asking for $699 !

Worst annoyances (4, Insightful)

Enry (630) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644822)

Anyhting having to do with USB or Firewire support

Re:Worst annoyances (1)

tuffy (10202) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644912)

Anyhting having to do with USB or Firewire support
Interesting. My USB keyboard, mouse, game controller, printer, scanner, hubs and external hard drives all run just fine - with little or no effort required - on a RH9 box. Could you be a bit more specific about what's annoying you?

dated?? (4, Insightful)

sirius_bbr (562544) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644824)

I can't help but think, though, that such a book will be dated quite quickly.

If I wrote the book, that'd be exactely what I want. If the book's outdated, it means it has brought all those problems to the attention, and that proper solutions were made. What more can you wish?

Worst Linux annoyance- (5, Interesting)

IWantMoreSpamPlease (571972) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644825)

Isn't something from the OS itself, but the "1337" attitude from the users. "Use a different distro!", "RTFM!", "l4m3r!"

I gave up on Linux (and went back to BeOS) simply because the attitude of the Linux users I ran across was intollerable. You won't find that with BeOS users.

(And I'm willing to bet money this gets modded as flamebait, but it's the painful truth)

Re:Worst Linux annoyance- (5, Funny)

endeitzslash (570374) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644919)

You won't find that with BeOS users.

Yeah, those two guys are nice. =)

It's just too hard to configure. (1)

j0nkatz (315168) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644826)

I can't tell you how many times I have tried to install Linux 9.1 and have ran into a roadblock trying to configure stuff.

The different distros are the biggest... (4, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644827)

Why cant everyone pick a fricking filesystem layout and KEEP IT FRICKING THAT WAY?

Redhat thinks that apache and KDE's developers are idiots so they move the default install, Mandrake has things in different locations, SuSE,Debian,Slackware.... they all think they know where it is supposed to be.

All it does is piss off the Linux user.

This is one of the biggest problems. Leave where things go ALONE!

winmodems (1)

bob_jenkins (144606) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644828)

When I tried installing it a year ago, it couldn't use winmodems, so we couldn't get email with it. We reverted to Windows, since then Linux has just been a mysterious blob that sits on half our hard drive.

One Word- (1)

echucker (570962) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644829)

and I know I'm going to get modded down into oblivion, but I'll say it anyway-

Zealots.

Grammar (1)

SEEDELS (655409) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644830)

For the last time, it's spelled 'pseudo'... P-s-E-u-d-o...

Re:Grammar (1)

Microsift (223381) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644868)

For the last time, that's a spelling, not grammar, error.

Not a bad idea (1)

Jon Erikson (198204) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644831)

I can't see why this is a bad idea at all - it will allow potential new users the opportunity to properly evaluate whether or not Linux is for them before actually embarking on the voyage of discovery that is a first-time Linux install. As a top consultant this is exactly the sort of thing that my clients want to know when they're thinking of switching over their servers and desktops to Linux. As the current flavour of the month people hear an awful lot about how great Linux is from fans, but the same people are silent about the flaws in Linux - poor font support, shoddy program interoperability, a lack of graphics capabilities and a lack of any kind of unified architecture above the kernel level. Sure it may go out of date soon, but I'm not sure it'll be all that soon - while minor VM bugs are fixed quickly and promptly, some of the bigger issues for users hang around for years because they're not "cool hacks". Hopefully now that Linux has come under the corporate umbrella these things will change for the better, and in time a book like this will no longer be needed.

fonts (5, Insightful)

gazuga (128955) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644835)

The default font (at least every time I installed X) is always *tiny* on my screen. No matter how hard I tried, when I changed settings, it never seemed to work.

here's one of mine: (1)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644836)

Red Hat 7.3 --- Lousy video and graphics (buggy driver, SiS 6326), decent audio.

Red Hat 8.0 --- Excellent video (I assume the bug was fixed), no sound. Attempted to configure audio driver, no luck.

That's about it for my complaints.

The worst annoyances (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6644838)

1) stubborn/underpaid/not-paid-at-all M$-PR-fanboy who advocates "his" OS like there is nothing else

2) stubborn/underpaid/not-paid-at-all M$-PR-fanboy for whom gaming is everything there is about having a reason to sit in front of computers

3) stubborn/underpaid/not-paid-at-all M$-PR-fanboy who runs out to buy an XBox and get's angry that Linux is already ported to it.

4) stubborn/underpaid/not-paid-at-all M$-PR-fanboy who...

Web based database (1)

jonsb (668273) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644839)

Is there a web based database that does the same job? Surely this would be better option compared to the book?

What really gets me is... (-1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6644840)

... that I can't get Clippy to run under Wine

Consistant Printer setup (1)

Gta-Klue (643989) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644842)

For me, it's getting the printer to work in Mozilla, Phoenix, compared to AbiWord or some other text editor.

"L1nu0rrz" (0)

csoto (220540) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644843)

That's my #1 annoyance. Isn't Linux mature yet? Then why are there so many "supporters" acting like children?

"L1nux r0xx0rz" (0)

csoto (220540) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644877)

Is what that was supposed to say :)

Stupid Windoze box in the next room made me mess it up.

The worst annoyance... (0, Insightful)

Patik (584959) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644847)

...is being able to do anything useful with it.

I'm a Windows user who likes open source software but can't get Linux to work. I don't know how to write drivers, work the command line, or program. I guess you have to be an expert at all of these to use Linux.

I've installed Linux (Mandrake, Red Hat, Knoppix) three or four times and always end up going back to Windows shortly thereafter. I can't get Firewire via PCMCIA to work properly, the driver for my mouse makes movement awkward, and XMMS sounds awful on my Sound Blaster. Yes, I can read the web and do word processing, but anything beyond the basics is a hassle, and I'm not given any clues as to what needs to be fix to get things working.

NFS CD mounts! (1)

FyRE666 (263011) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644848)

One annoying problem with NFS is that it will not release its hold on a CD, meaning that if you mount a CD, then share it via NFS, you cannot then unmount it unless you stop NFS first. I've found this extremely inconvenient at times.

Re:NFS CD mounts! (1)

brokencomputer (695672) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644917)

A lot of these posts are abot GNU or unix things--like gnome or NFS--. I wonder if the book uses the term linux generically to mean anything open source or if the book just includes kernel annoyances.

HAM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6644852)

Cedar Rapids 1974 model HAM radio modem. The driver was a bit buggy but now works perfectly.

Damn what a can of worms to open (-1, Flamebait)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644858)

Compiling a list of linux annoyances?

I hope they realize that it will easily take their entire lives, and probably the lives of the next few generations of decendants, to even scratch the surface.

Here's a sample chapter list.

Chapter 1 - RMS

Chapter 2 - ESR

Chapter 3 - Lindows

Chapter 4 - Justifying all the blatant IP theft

Chapter 5 - Why doesnt my computer do anything useful?

Chapter 6 - Why dont I have a job?

Chapter 7 - Why dont I have a girlfriend?

Still no professional audio apps (1)

van der Rohe (460708) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644860)

Or, at best, only ones that are in perpetual beta.

At least some people are writing working drivers for the high-end audio cards now (Hammerfall DSP). But where are the apps?

Yes, I know about Ardour. And it's still beta too.

Things that annoy me. (1)

MarkWPiper (604760) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644867)

XRANDR not working as soon as I specifiy a modeline, or a virtual screen size.

My fonts becoming all sorts of sizes once I put my resolution above 1280x1024

The fact that regular Xinerama and nvidia's twinview xinerama extensions don't work together.

KDE having wwwaay to many poorly placed options.

The 'More programs' submenu on (nearly) every KDE menu.

Not having OpenGL across multiple Xinerama heads.

My BT878 tv-tuner card not tuning correctly without significant manual adjustment.

The fact that I have to know I have a BT878 type=78 tv-tuner card.

The fact that I had to spend hours guessing LIRC options for my KWorld remote control.

And the list goes on and on... don't get me wrong though, I do love linux! It's just a difficult love at times.

And the TERRIBLE APIC support. (1)

MarkWPiper (604760) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644920)

At least for my mobo, APIC support is horrible. Everything gets "spurious IRQs" and the computer crashes away into oblivion. With certain kernel's, all looks well until my NIC freezes up, or my soundcard loops, or my.... uh.

Maybe 2.6 will fix it.

nothing (0)

harvey_peterson (658039) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644870)

There is nothing wrong with Linux. This is Slashdot, remember?

Greatest annoyance (1)

kasperd (592156) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644873)

Too many graphics chips, too few drivers. Blame vendors.

Themes! (1)

American AC in Paris (230456) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644875)

Sure, some theme support is there, but I'm talking real-time, texture-mapped, animated transparency effects, so I can make my application windows do a funky shimmering effect!

Standardized copy and paste shortcut keys would be cool, too.

HA HA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6644879)

http://forums.linuxvswindows.com, tell us what you really think!

My pick for most annoying "feature"... (1)

LightJockey (459672) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644881)

... are MAN pages which describe the functions and programming methodology of which the command was written...

But has no actual reference as to how to use the command properly, and has a "See Man pages for ****". And the Man pages for **** tell you to read the pages you were just reading.

The only case where RTFM causes an infinite loop!

rc stuff, pronunciation (1)

doc_traig (453913) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644883)

/etc/rc3.d is not really there, but in fact is at /etc/rc.d/rd3.d. I know there's a symlink, but coming from Solaris, it's slowed me down a bit in the past.

Oh, and it needs to be spelled Linnix, so we're all on the same page re: how it's pronounced.

auto* (-1)

Failure Guy (627040) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644886)

autoconf. automake. autoheader. autogen. libtool. autom4te. All these things need to die. Anybody who has used these tools knows they are an abomination, yet they're used for something like 90% of Unix/Linux packages. There was a article [freshmeat.net] on this on freshmeat recently.

Networking Configuration (1)

IceFox (18179) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644887)

One of Linux's biggest strenghts is its networking and ability to many, many different things. Unfortunettly every distrobution has choosen a different way to configure their networking. From Wifi, ppp, basic static/hdcp, vpn, profiles, etc. It is all different! This makes it very difficult for end users and anoying for those who want to write frontend to configure the networking (and even if they do write one it is only used by a small set of users and doesn't get the full use/review that a normal app that runs on most distros would). On top of that every distro maker out there puts out an almost ok (but different look, feel, and feature set) network configuration application. This is without a doubt something that should get into the Linux Standard Base and was surprised to find that it was not.

-Benjamin Meyer

config file formats (1)

cr@ckwhore (165454) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644892)

My biggest pet peeve with linux (distros) is that each application has it's own config file format. Want to configure sendmail? Great... learn it's format. Want to configure apache? Great... learn it's format. Want to configure the plethora of smaller programs and utilities? Great... learn their formats. It gets annoying after a while ... especially when most of the confuration tools available (Redhat) are buggy and aren't really capable of anything beyond the most basic configurations.

Now... I'm not going to bitch without providing a possible solution, so here it is:

I think there should be a standardized configuration API, format, and storage for Linux. Perhaps something the LSB or big distros could put together... basically, the concept would be similiar to the windows registry, but better and smaller in scope. Store configuration data for applications in an XML format with a defined standard layout in a central location. Then, provide an API that application authors can use to manipulate configuration data.

This would make it really simple to write a standardized configuration tool for ALL of linux.

let the flames begin

--csb

cut-paste. (1)

CaptnMArk (9003) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644893)

Annoyance #1

I hate apps confusing cut/copy/paste with selection/middle_click.

I want the option to disable selection mechanism and use middle button for scrolling.

Annoyance #2

Big mess in my $HOME directory (.files).

Modems (-1)

Mr.Dippy (613292) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644894)

Having to go out and buy a USB modem for 65 bucks when I have a perfectly good winmodem in my computer. Why is the winmodem the most mysterious pieces of hardware for the linux community? I could have spent my 65 dollars on pot and porn like all good script kiddies do.

Printing (0)

Varitek (210013) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644895)

lp? lpr? foomatic? CUPS? Xprt? ppd? pdq?

What the hell do all those things do or mean? I have no idea. As it happens, I managed to muddle through the Debian install process for CUPS, and printing works, but unlike most other things on Linux, I have no idea *how*.

Too many Scripting Languages (2, Insightful)

EvilTwinSkippy (112490) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644899)

There really are WAY too many half-assed ways to do things in script. Perl, Tcl, Python, Bash, Csh, Tcsh, PHP. I must have 20 MySql drivers to support all of these bloody languages. I have to run several Apache modules because some software uses mod_perl, others use PHP, and all of my In-House software uses TCL.

All of the script languages have morphed into accomplishing the same goal, they all just do it with a different syntax. Some scripts are clean looking and easy to follow, others are executable line-noise.

It would make documentation and maintenance a LOT simply to pick one scripting language and develop it into an all-purpose tool. I'm sick of reimplementing script libraries.

Why, clipboard (1)

ledestin (624309) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644900)

That's the only thing that drives me nuts about Linux. Yes, I don't print ^_^

Windows-centricity (1)

sahonen (680948) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644901)

Mine is definitely trying to be an underdog in a windows-centric world. My favorite CD ripper, CDex, is Windows-only, and I've been trying in vain to find something just as good under Linux to no avail. I've tried RipperX, which seems to work, except that it leaves off the ID3 tags on half of the tracks it rips, can't figure out why. OTOH, cdparanoia is awesome, I managed to get it to rip a CD that had an inch long CRACK in it.

Another thing is the double-edged sword of open-source software. I love being able to compile software specifically for my system, but I don't think it would kill developers to make a static binary for those who don't want to mess with a billion libraries. And sometimes software simply won't compile on my system for some odd reason, even though my system is definitely not unusual.

in-corporation (1)

mirko (198274) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644909)

Linux is good for the "geeks" but is not corporation compliant.

Where I work (45000 employees), only SuSe and RedHat have been acknowledged as "reliable".

Exit other flavours (especially Debian).

I don't appreciate RedHat (because of many configuration aspects but also ethically : for me Linux is a dot.org idea, not a dot.com one : RedHat looks like what MS-Linux would be) and I don't appreciate SuSe at all (settings, startup sequence, plethora of useless software, often opening unwanted backdoors on the system).

Now, these are the only versions which'll get adopted because they support both Oracle and HPaq/ITO/VPO/OpenView SNMP agent.

This is the reason why, whenever contacted about installing a SuSe, I gently suggest a SunFire v100 running Solaris 8.

So, Linux acceptance is not as good as it could be because managers do not understand the model, they think in terms of a company, not as an upward-going brownian software-blob (this description is not intended to be a reproach).

This makes this annoyance a non-software but rather social one.

Fonts, Printing, Installing Apps..... (1)

simetra (155655) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644913)

Assuming we're talking about GUI's here....

1. Fonts. I want to drop any font I want into a fonts dir, and be able to use them automatically, in EVERY bloody app. I don't want to worry about a font server, I don't want to build fonts.dir files and all that crap. Plus, I want fonts to look good and I want all apps to adhere to some sort of standard whereby all apps have a similar look.

2. Printing. I want a single printer install routine that allows me to print from every app with no problem at all. I don't want to be bothered thinking about lpr, ghostcript, postscript, etc.

3. Installing apps. I want to download a single install file which contains everything I need to install an app. I am annoyed as all hell by downloads that require me to visit other ftp sites to get pre-requisites, themselves often requiring other things that I have to download and install first. It's a Royal Pain In The Ass (RPITA).

4. Network Config. This isn't too much of a problem, but it would be nice to have a single network config utility which loads whatever networking components you want without having to recompile a kernel or install modules.

5. Dynamic kernel/modules autoloading/configuring. I hate having to recompile a kernel and reboot when adding/changing stuff that requires such.

These things are major hindrances to adoption of Linux by normal users, and my pet peeves!

Easy. Program installation. (1)

nordicfrost (118437) | more than 11 years ago | (#6644918)

Now, before the flames come, let me just say that I DO know how to tar -zxvf |./configure |make |make install, rpm -Uvh and apt-get whatever. But not everyone do. The single greatest advantage to be made for Linux is a unified multi-platform install and upgrade system.

RPM is almost there and apt-get is nice to use. Redhat Upgrade is also nice to have. But when a cool program arrives, I should be able to download a single package for WhatEver Linux.

While we're on the subject, dependancies. This must be solved if Joe Blow is to use Linux. I have used Linux every day for three years, and still these dependancies and linkage confuses me. Apt-get solves some of this, but that's only half-way to the solution.
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