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Too Much Tech Diminishes Work Relationships?

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the too-much-salt-spoils-the-soup dept.

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Lansdowne writes "The Seattle Times has an article today on Tim Sanders, a Yahoo exec who claims too much technology may be bad for your health. According to Sanders, small groups of engineers who went to completely electronic communication in their workgroups became 'very lonely, depressed, negative, anti-social, brilliant people.'"

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uhh (5, Funny)

TapTapTheChisler (691570) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655380)

'very lonely, depressed, negative, anti-social, brilliant people.' in other words, nothing changed

Re:uhh (5, Insightful)

m_chan (95943) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655458)

Well, they _are_ in engineering. If they were self-actualized, happy, positive, gregarious, blustering idiots they would be in marketing.

Re:uhh (1)

Kierthos (225954) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655549)

Hey, the reason marketing people are happy all the time is that it doesn't take much to keep fools amused.

Kierthos

Re:uhh (1)

caluml (551744) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655873)

Hey, the reason marketing people are happy all the time is that it doesn't take much to keep fools amused.

That and copious amounts of money and coke.

Re:uhh (5, Funny)

red floyd (220712) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655629)

No, they're lonely, depressed, negative because they had to deal with marketing!

could it be? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6655381)

well, could it be?

Author must be dumb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6655387)

Tech is good for your health... just look at my tan pastey white.

Everything I need to know... (5, Funny)

PakProtector (115173) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655388)

...I learned from Maxis' The Sims. If your or your Sim's social bar drops too low, bad things happen.

it's not an fp (-1)

penis fish (671987) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655390)

but i have to take this opportunity to say the gnaa deserves death. incivism (fecal matter troll) too, but no tas much. die, gnaa. die.

They've been screaming this for years. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6655392)

Everyone has always been claiming that once we are all "connected" we will in fact lose our "connection" to the human race. Sure, I am 100% connected, my cellphone lets me surf the web while playing with my IPod and chatting on my laptop while hax0ring a wireless LAN at the hotel down the road. And yes, I am depressed, but thinking back a ways, I always felt that way. It seems like everyone I meet is turned off by all the pr0n I view.

Re:They've been screaming this for years. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6655590)

OK this is getting a littlle off-topic, but interesting...

I don't want to be judgemental, but I was the same.

Alot of geeks view alot of porn.
And sure everybody politically correct says it's all good and dandy and it doesn't hurt anyone, it's not like your stealing or murdering.
And that it's the fault of those close-minded people that judge you and are turned off by your hobby.
All you need to do is find open-minded people.

But is it really all good and dandy?

Some arguments I found very convincing are:

-It's addictive, while I was watching the porn I would, ofcourse, also masturbate. I probably did it too frequently and it started to hurt.(ps. In extreme cases I read that people would bleed while getting an orgasm, and due to hormone imbalances they would get bald and so, and often depression was also mentioned like in your post, don't know if it was all true and connected though)
Besides somewhere I also tought of myself as a perv, I didn't like that aspect of it.
So I tried to stop, deleted all my porn and vowed to not look at porn/masturbate for two/three days.
Never worked, the next day I was back satisfying my body

It's also too easy. The porn is like your slave (although it often looks as if you are the porn's slave). With real (normal) companions you need to build a good relationship before you get the goods.

Your body gets selfish. With two normal people they after some time in the relationship get 'tuned' to each other, they both get orgasms simulteneous. And there is extra satisfaction for both of you knowing that you satisfied someone else.


And yeah one night stands IMHO are alot like porn.

You should read "porn clerk testimonies", to see how we are really viewed by others


Anyway I think it comes down to, are you satisfied and happy with, what seems, a porn addiction?
Would you stop watching porn if you could get rid of the craving?

Think about it, I stopped, a year ago.
Haven't watched porn or masturbated since, and I am very happy, and no longer depressed.

I dont need friends (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6655393)

My computer talks to me...
Isn't that right sweetie?

Re:I dont need friends (2, Funny)

Murmer (96505) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655793)


Please go stand by the stairs, so I can protect you from the terrible secret of space.

Re:I dont need friends (1)

caluml (551744) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655879)

Do not trust the Murmer robot - he is malfunctioning.

/. in a nutshell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6655398)

'very lonely, depressed, negative, anti-social, brilliant people'

perhaps thge other way around? (5, Insightful)

ethelred (587527) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655405)

Perhaps the "very lonely, depressed, negative, anti-social, brilliant people" are simply attracted to technology, and not necessary a product of it...?

Re:perhaps thge other way around? (5, Interesting)

NetworkDweebs (621769) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655440)

I agree, too many people out there who are technology whores, and most of their technology never really accomplishes anything useful for them. That is the reason I've given away about 6 PDA's, my talking billy mouth bass, and plenty of stuff from ThinkGeek. I'm much more productive with just my laptop and a wireless connection than an arsenal of useless gear to babysit.

Call me old fashioned, but I still thrive on human interaction regardless of how obsolete it may be these days. Really, given if we all had the money, I'm willing to bet there are more people like me who would get rid of all of their technology and live a more simple, fulfilling life.

Re:perhaps thge other way around? (1)

trompete (651953) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655614)

Next time you want to give away a PDA, call me! :)

Re:perhaps thge other way around? (2, Insightful)

IIRCAFAIKIANAL (572786) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655643)

I'm in the same boat. I only use my laptop and I'm one of the best workers at my company. I also never send email when I can just pick up a phone or walk over to the person and talk to them. No PDA, no instant messaging, no cruft whatsoever.

Tech may increase efficiency, but if it makes a person crazy that hurts the bottom line a lot more.

<cliche>If you acquire to much stuff, your stuff ends up owning you. I can fit my most important possessions in two suitcases.</cliche>

Re:perhaps thge other way around? (5, Insightful)

Bluetrust25 (647829) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655885)

Your post reminds me a little of one of my clients who always calls with huge lists of changes instead of just laying them out in email as bullet points and sending them over.

"Okay, here's the next one, are you ready? Okay. Bold and italicise the words 'previously used' on paragraph two of question three."

Drives me absolutely batty. I get the impression that he read on the MSN home page ten tips to increase his career and tip #8 was something like, "Call, don't email. A personal touch is always appreciated..."

Bah. Just email it to me and I'll take care of it at my earliest convenience, don't call, interrupt me from what I'm doing, and make me transcribe your directions. Not all of us enjoy being interrupted from our work to take notes.

I really like email. It makes my business a lot easier. I just go down the list, taking care of email after email from clients. When I'm done, I can stretch and do something different. Calls interrupt that natural checklist-like flow by forcing me to break off what I'm doing and take care of their issues first. In email I can even be polite and cordial even when I don't feel like it!

You do use email when it's appropriate, right?

The worst ever is when someone calls AND emails. "Hi, I just sent you an email containing a list of changes!"

(You fucking loser!) "Sure. I'll be looking for that shortly. Thanks!"

(click)

Try paper (1)

Cranx (456394) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655860)

I have to say, I agree. Unsolicited advice: try using paper more too. I've re-discovered hand-written notes and printing out documents that I used to try to read online when I got hooked into the "paperless office" notion back in the early-90's, and I must say, the more stuff I have on paper rather then on my computer, the easier my life is and the more productive I am. I know violent environmentalists are probably going to start sending me death threats, but I can't deny it: paper is just better for SO many things, and for SO many reasons.

Re:perhaps thge other way around? (4, Insightful)

msgmonkey (599753) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655461)

You could attach "very lonely, depressed, negative, anti-social, brilliant people" to some of the most talented people in history. I dont think it's restricted to tech.

It could be maybe that IT allows people who may not be comfortable talking face to face due to lack of social interaction to communicate with other people more easily.

Re:perhaps the other way around? (2, Informative)

carolinef (560223) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655892)

Or then again perhaps it[IT] allows people who may not be comfortable talking face to face the opportunity to avoid face to face contact precisely when it is most needed.

I would find it very easy in my job to communicate entirely by email and IM, but I've found that a kind of "chinese whisper" effect takes hold and more uncertainty is introduced than would be the case in a face to face conversation. So I force myself to get out of my chair. Apparently there are good ergonomic side-effects to this too...

Re:perhaps thge other way around? (2, Insightful)

dollar70 (598384) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655478)

Perhaps the "very lonely, depressed, negative, anti-social, brilliant people" are simply attracted to technology, and not necessary a product of it...?

I'm inclined to agree, but I also see the technology as exacerbating the problem. From the article:

"...They took nerd and created monster or troll..."

This is where I see the downward spiral come into play. The obscured moral of the story is that people need to realize the most important under-utilized feature that technology has to offer is the off button.

--
Test your Linux IQ: Press CTRL-ALT-BSP

Re:perhaps thge other way around? (3, Interesting)

archen (447353) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655517)

well it's definitely a correlation, definitely NOT a cause and effect - usually the media doesn't know the difference. That said I know a lot of people who were once perfectly normal (not exactly "brilliant") who have basically forsaken normal socializing for internet surfing/chatting/gameplay. It's the whole "game addiction" thing in another sense. Some people are just more prone to it than others. And out of those people, some can keep a handle on it with enough self control.

As an engineering student... (3, Interesting)

cliffy2000 (185461) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655409)

I don't think that being "very lonely, depressed, negative, anti-social, brilliant people" is caused by the electronics. We're just drawn to the stuff BECAUSE we're very lonely, depressed, negative, anti-social, brilliant people.
But hey, what do I know, I'm just a very lonely, depressed, negative, anti-social, brilliant Engineering student.

Re:As an engineering student... (0, Redundant)

Josh Booth (588074) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655778)

Who's that guy who keeps posting "CAUSALITY != CORELATION"? Anyway,

CAUSALITY != CORELATION

Bah, I don't believe it. (0)

slackingme (690217) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655411)

What a fucking stupid article. I live and breath technology and I'm ray of bloody sunshine; seriously. I woke up this morning, rolled over, and got on my laptop to read Slashdot and you won't find /anyone/ happier than me.

I guess I'm lying.. oh, I'm sure a horrible, evil liar. Oh, woe is me. I hate my life. *puts gun in mouth* I wish I had friends, real friends, not just trolls, flamebaits, and mods.

Sigh... maybe they're on to something.

Flawed experiment (and conclusion!) (5, Insightful)

JeffTL (667728) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655413)

First off, the experiment involves the fast reduction of quantity of several social relationships. Socialization is habit-forming. You could get the same effect from taking a small group of pot smokers and switching them to tobacco. Second off, the conclusion is fallacious. The problem supposedly demonstrated is not so much too much technology as too little socialization, though for my money, the problem is the sudden removal of habit-forming face-to-face interpersonal communcication.

Re:Flawed experiment (and conclusion!) (1)

God! Awful 2 (631283) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655605)

So you think interpersonal communication is an addiction rather than a basic human need? I somehow doubt that.

I was out of work for a few months. I still went out to lunch with my former co-workers every now and again, or saw my friends on weekends, but for most of the day I was alone. Believe it or not, I started to lose the ability to talk. (Which really sucks during job interviews.)

Then after a few months I got a job where I just sat in a cube and coded all day. I was extremely productive but I counted the minutes of every day. Soon after that, I was promoted to manager. I am no longer anywhere near as productive, but the work isn't quite as depressing.

-a

Re:Flawed experiment (and conclusion!) (1)

Mac Degger (576336) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655868)

"So you think interpersonal communication is an addiction rather than a basic human need?"

What's the difference?

THIS ARTICLE IS TOTAL BULLSHIT (-1, Offtopic)

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Pick... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6655419)

"very lonely, depressed, negative, anti-social, brilliant people"

Pick the one that does not belong....

Yeah, but.... (4, Funny)

telstar (236404) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655423)

machines are going to take over the world ... so those anti-social rejects are just laying the groundwork for their future girlfriends...

Re:Yeah, but.... (1)

caluml (551744) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655890)

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No match for "ROBOTBRIDES.COM".
calum@gentoo calum $

Get it quick!

Attitude (5, Funny)

Godeke (32895) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655428)

I have noticed that as I have done most of my work remote this last year (remote desktop technologies instead of onsite visits, IM and e-mail instead of phone discussions) that I have become a surly bugger.

It has started to carry into my regular life: people are interruptions not whatever they used to be...

And here I am posting to slash.

Virtual Unemployment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6655513)

I've been working on a project to turn entire groups and divisions of large companies into 'virtual workers' who telecomute and so don't need office space and who can be distributed around the world.


We have noticed that these workers exhibit all the symptoms of unemployment, such as being "very lonely, depressed, negative, and anti-social". It seems that being a virtual worker is to be virtually unemployed. This will be a serious emerging social issue as companies make this transition.

Re:Attitude (4, Funny)

Coelacanth (323321) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655548)

It has started to carry into my regular life: people are interruptions not whatever they used to be...
...obstacles, just asking to be killed and fed to rabid pigs?

Maybe your attitude is improving.

Re:Attitude (2, Insightful)

Kierthos (225954) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655560)

Oh, you've worked in tech support?

Let's face it. Technology lets us be freer with our communication. Nothing lets us lie so much as a chat-room. Nothing lets us say what we feel to people across the country or around the world with as little fear of recrimination as IRC. The anti-social behavior could be creeping in when these same people realize that have to cover what has become their "normal" conversation with the pureed bullshit that passes for civil conversation these days.

No, I'm not saying that we all need to speak and act like ever l337 haX0r on IRC, but we need to realize that not everyone is a nice person and that some people would prefer blunt honesty to lying with a smiling face.

Kierthos

Re:Attitude (1)

Godeke (32895) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655575)

Where are rabid carnivous pigs when you need them? (If only they could fly too...)

Does it really matter? (2, Insightful)

Angel 666 2003 (695217) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655430)

Maybe some people dont want to have to interact socially, and messaging your colleague from five feet away certainly severs all social ties. And email is now such an important part of our lives that we use it to exchange information almost as much as we talk face to face. Without email, a good part of the business of any company would immediately be halted due to lack of communication.

Using instant messaging also a more convenient and faster way to interact, although it will never measure up to a real conversation.

Re:Does it really matter? (1)

Mac Degger (576336) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655880)

What about IM:V; Instant Messaging: Voice.

I would like (4, Funny)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655431)

to explain why this article is complete nonsense but I'm too depressed, feel the world is against me and I really dont feel like talking to anyone. Plus I just got a new laptop to play with.

It's wrong because: (1)

numbski (515011) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655720)

Quite simply, too much work diminishes tech relationships. How many techs do you see dating? My point. :P

*For the peanut gallery, I'm getting married next months...*

Limits... (5, Interesting)

Woxbert (315027) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655442)

"He began to have relationship difficulties at work because he used e-mail, at one point, to communicate everything to his employees, be it good or bad."

This quote from the article makes me wonder whether we're reading too much into it. This is someone who replaced face to face communication with his employees. That's not a problem with technology: that's him being irrespsonsible.

I think (hope) that we all know there's a time and place for technology. Things like employee appraisals and agreeing big pieces of work should really be done face to face.

The question that we thought was being answered was whether having more technological gadgets would create problems for people in themselves?

I'm in the camp who believe that technology actually improves relationships when used appropriately, rather than damages him.

Friends overseas? It's a shame they're not here, but I can use ICQ to keep in touch with them.

Feel like a drink? I can call around my friends to see who's around.

Really want the obnoxious sex-mad guy to come? Just snap a photo/video of the cute girl next to you and he'll be along in a jiffy.

People can do more, in less time, with more people.

Everyone wins. Especially the communications companies.

Re:Limits... (5, Funny)

rainwalker (174354) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655622)

This quote from the article makes me wonder whether we're reading too much into it. This is someone who replaced face to face communication with his employees. That's not a problem with technology: that's him being irrespsonsible.

FOOL!! Don't you realize that it is impossible for him to be responsible for his own actions?! No one can exert any control over their own lives! We all dance to the music played by forces beyond our control! Have you already forgotten that fast food makes people fat by forcing them to overeat? Personal responsibility is a myth perpetuated by those who want to limit your personal litigation, er, freedom!

Relationship difficulties (1)

VampireByte (447578) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655847)

The obvious reason for Sanders having "relationship difficulties" is that he's a controlling jerk. Look at what's going on here... he's trying to tell us how to live our lives because he thinks he is superior. It's just another case of somebody getting rich and then trying to keep everyone else down.

This is fucking bullshit. (-1, Flamebait)

Chromodromic (668389) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655443)

You know what? You all can take this article and shove it up your fucking assholes =)

Cocksuckers.

With technology, you don't have to... (1)

dook43 (660162) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655446)

overcome anxiety, spell, use proper grammar, conjugate verbs correctly, capitalize, or explain acronyms, because the person on the other side of the IM knows exactly what you are talking about. This is not so in everyday social situations, unfortunately...

NEDS?! Shrinks need jobs (4, Insightful)

SunPin (596554) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655447)

This is a textbook example of FUD.

Adults need to be responsible for their lives. Yeah, sounds obvious but apparently people are still lost on this point.

Everything has a time and a place. Keep everything in its time and place and keeping your sanity is easy. Get sunshine. Go to the beach. If that's not possible, try a municipal pool.

Life isn't complicated. People in this article want to make it complicated because at some point along the way, they'll profit.

If you stay up until sunrise, down gallons of caffeine and live in chat rooms then that's your decision. The consequences might be depression and isolation. Those who don't like it need to change the variables in their life program.

Re:NEDS?! Shrinks need jobs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6655597)

Life isn't complicated?! What kind of fool are you?

Re:NEDS?! Shrinks need jobs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6655668)

Amen brother! All of what you said is true... if you choose to go to bed at 6 am, drink lots of caffiene, and pretty much don't talk to a lot of people in normal face to face conversation, you are not going anywhere. I am saying this from many years of college and out of school experience. It is a big dead end, so avoid at all costs.

All you need is love (1)

DaoudaW (533025) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655454)

Here is another link [craigslist.org] describing the same event. Its not quite as negative about the technology, but stronger on the need for a peculiar emotion called love.

Depression.. (0)

slackingme (690217) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655459)

Depression is a very real problem in the Tech sector; how many of us have stayed up fourty-eight hours straight coding/debugging/etc and spent the next two days feeling like shit? Programming and the like require such a level of concentration and focus that it's *draining* -- Not to mention many people are interested in this field because of the social isolation that one can experience. If you're afraid you might be depressed, try visiting moodchange.info [moodchange.info] or medicinenet [medicinenet.com] for a more technical, geek-friendly description of the problem.

ObDisclaimer: Moodchange.info wants to sell you things, but it's still a reasonable site for information. Just ignore the sensationalism :)

Re:Depression.. (1)

AntiOrganic (650691) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655511)

Moodchange.info makes you pay for the results.

They don't tell you this before you spend 7 minutes taking the test.

Re:Depression.. (0)

slackingme (690217) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655532)

Arrrggghhhh, another case of something free going pay. It was a reasonable test a few months ago, and I thought as far as commercial sites go it gave pretty decent results. I'm sorry I wasted your time on that link, should have rechecked it.

Re:Depression.. (1)

AntiOrganic (650691) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655665)

What else am I going to do in the office? Work?

My 2 pennies (2, Funny)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655468)

lonely - certainly, since they get less face-to-face contact
depressed - maybe, especially if they're feeling lonely
negative - Windows desktops will do that to you, they've done it to me ;)
anti-social - it helps us be lazy and stay within our small team
brilliant - makes them brilliant? I doubt that. You're either brilliant or you're not. Modes of communication can't change that.

Wrong conclusion! (2, Funny)

CrowScape (659629) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655482)

very lonely, depressed, negative, anti-social, brilliant people

Proof that contact with the masses dumbs you down. ^_^

Balance (5, Insightful)

Snake_Plisken (666881) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655486)

I work at a large web hosting company. We got a lot of bright people working for us that most of soceity would see as introverted. We got people locked away in secure rooms for most of their shift, etc - the human part is what makes working there a good thing. We are a very social company in the hallways, meeting areas, etc. Most people (including myself) say that they have very good friends at work, but few outside its walls. To a varying degree, we are a big 400 person family where I work - I think people (ok, myself) need to have the human interaction in order to maintain themselves. Technology roxxors, but there needs to be people to talk to, even if it is anime or what level your 3rd edition Ranger is.

Solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6655491)

Send in a hooker once a week, that'll keep 'em happy

It's not true (2, Funny)

Sfing_ter (99478) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655493)

at all, damn users can't leave well enough alone, or me. Stop bothering me, if i want to talk to you i'll remove your email address from my spam filter.

Balance (2, Insightful)

Squiggle (8721) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655496)

Why is it hard to remember?

Focusing your life around *anything* for long periods of time such that you exclude everything that used to keep you healthy and happy is not going to be good for you.

Bushism required (3, Funny)

segment (695309) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655497)


Dubya: "Those techies aren't lonely, they just have no one to talk to, and speak with."

What's wrong with that???? (1)

botzi (673768) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655502)

'very lonely, depressed, negative, anti-social, brilliant people.'"

Uuuuuh, duh???? It seems pretty much cool, you know, then again, may be I think so, coz I'm just very lonely depressed, negative, anti-social and unfortunately not brilliant.... But that's enough about me... this is /., you must understand.;oPPPPP

Ignorance is bliss.. (4, Insightful)

OmniVector (569062) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655503)

I've always been a firm believer that if I wasn't as technologically compotent as I am, I'd probably be a much happier person in general. But you can't unlearn, and I've come to realize that I'd rather be aware of technology than let it overleap me.

cure (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6655509)

you guys just all need to meet a girl. problem solved.

God Damn Michael (-1)

Nix0n (649693) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655514)

Why are you always so fucking concerned with the humanistic social shit?

Actions matter - feelings don't. Production matters - "relationships" don't. Get over yourself you pompous twit, and quit trying to tell us how to live our lives.

What a sack of shit - and this guy earns $63k/year to push a web form button.

morons fending off other morons? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6655518)

like there's other stuff that really matters at these times?

we don't mind a little unpopularity, but this aggressive PostBlock(tm) thing is silly. why bother? there's no going back. if you bulleave there is, lookout bullow.

check your motiffs robbIE. we've nothing aghast you.

hiding from the truth always hurts.

the lights are coming up. we're in crisis mode. you can help.

yOUR intentions/behaviours ARE relevant.

consult with/trust in yOUR creator. get more oxygen on yOUR brains. vote with yOUR wallet. that's the spirit, moving you.

pay attention. that's affordable, & provides immesurable returns.

'invest' in yOUR community (possibly starting next door). be very careful of/thoughtful towards, each other. you're all we've got, here.

pay no heed to the greed/fear based misinformers. your well being is not on their agenda.

the current task remains planet/population rescue. yOUR intentions/behaviours are the recipe.

each harmed innocent carries with it a bad toll. the felons are NOT going to be the wons who must do the reparations. it is you/us.

NEDS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6655522)

Sanders came to define the condition as "New Economy Depression Syndrome"

Oh! I see by the Big Board we got a Negative Nellie in Sector Two. Put down the cell phone/pda and go for a jogereno!

In other words... (1)

macemoneta (154740) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655529)

'very lonely, depressed, negative, anti-social, brilliant people.'

In other words, exactly what companies seem to want these days.

Well, I'll tell you what (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6655534)

if it makes be brilliant, I don't mind also being depressed and antisocial.

My take on it (1)

ciurana (2603) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655535)

According to Sanders, small groups of engineers who went to completely electronic communication in their workgroups became 'very lonely, depressed, negative, anti-social, brilliant people.'

Bah! Humbug...

E

In a related story.... (1)

_Sharp'r_ (649297) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655540)

In a related story, they're now claiming that owning Playboy gets you laid and that Blondes really do have more fun!

They'll be releasing a study soon about how much happier people are who spend their time doing things they like.

They seem to be missing some important.... (0)

3seas (184403) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655541)

Well damn, they just need to add in IRC with the outside world, and a few web cams....

Re:They seem to be missing some important.... (1)

rusty0101 (565565) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655569)

They don't need webcams, just accounts on social web sites like VoyerDorm...

Near-Miss (5, Interesting)

Penguinshit (591885) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655543)


You know, when I started my career in IT, I was the happy helpful SysAdmin. I would cheerfully respond to request after request because I loved helping my fellow employees have a positive computing experience.

I never understood why people always thought SysAdmins were grumpy and belligerent.

However, now after a decade of thankless shit-catching, I am that grumpy and belligerent SysAdmin who believes that users are a fucking plague of idiots set loose in Biblical proportions upon my otherwise Utopian computer networks.

Comments such as "your message titled 'Virus Warning - Happy New Year' had the word 'Virus' in it, so I deleted it to be safe, but then I opened the next one that had an attachment called 'Happy New Year'. Now my computer doesn't work right..." (honest-to-God true story) have made me tend to side with the machines while watching such movies as "Terminator" and "Matrix", and to create tools named for the Borg which enforce draconian administration of my networks.

Are we anti-social because of the machines, or because people are morons?

Re:Near-Miss (1)

release7 (545012) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655686)

Of course people aren't going to fit into your logical world. People are quantum entities, not Newtonian. They are dictated by the world of probablility and there can never be any certainty.

You should realize this, get over it, face reality, and adjust to it. After all, that's the most logical thing to do. If you can't adjust to your environment, then look within, not out for the problem.

Re:Near-Miss (1)

JohnFluxx (413620) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655898)

"who believes that users are a fucking plague of idiots set loose in Biblical proportions upon my otherwise Utopian computer networks."

Reminds me of Maltilda... when Miss Trunchball said that kids were a plague on a school, and that school would be much nicer without them :)

Quote (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6655545)

"...very lonely, depressed, negative, anti-social, brilliant people." I'd rather be brilliant.

in other news... (0, Offtopic)

geoff lane (93738) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655561)

...water discovered to be wet ...fire is hot ...drinking at work breaks down barriers

brilliant! (4, Funny)

GromBulk (524814) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655567)

'very lonely, depressed, negative, anti-social, brilliant people.'"
Wow, I can become brilliant.

Re:brilliant! (1)

trompete (651953) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655651)

It would be so nice if you could have your cake and eat it too, wouldn't it?

Correlation != Cause and Effect (5, Informative)

kakos (610660) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655571)

As many people have already pointed out, there is simply a correlation between technology and unhappy, depressed, anti-social geniuses. This is the easiest mistake a person can make when looking at correlations.

As any beginning psychology student can (should) tell you is that a correlation does not indicate a cause and effect. So, from this, we see that unhappy, depressed, anti-social geniuses use a lot of technology. We have a strong positive correlation between technology and depressed geniuses. It could be that technology causes it, or it could be that depressed geniuses like technology, or it could just be a coincidence.

In order figure out which it is, experiments need to be performed. Observation alone cannot figure this out.

Nothing Changes (5, Interesting)

Gonoff (88518) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655574)

People have been criticising new technology for a long time.
For example, about 150 years ago, someone said how young women should not ride bicycles because it made them less attractive, had bad effects on their health & fertility and gave them grumpy looking faces.
More recently, it was forecast that telephones would cause people to loose touch with their friends and family. ffs Many people here only contact their family on the phone.
Up to the present, they said that children who played with their PC and consoles would be less able and mentally active than children who didn't. Then they realised that the kids who "didn't" were all on the couch watching TV. Any kid who was online or playing games was actually using their brain.

Conclusion?
People have been moaning about new ideas, music and technology for a very long time. I'm sure Aristotle had something to say on the matter and if his statement was put into a modern paper, nobody would notice. (if it was translated first!)

It's all downhill from here... (3, Interesting)

X-Nc (34250) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655581)

So what does it mean if you start out as a "very lonely, depressed, negative, anti-social, brilliant" person?

Seriouslly if it weren't for my son I would just as well spend my whole life online. I'm tired of interfacing with mundane's. The only people I can stand are other techies.

Odd (5, Funny)

Piquan (49943) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655592)

I work from home. My coworker just IM'd me this link. You think they're trying to tell me something?

Lousy Jobs - Not Computers, make you Depressed (4, Insightful)

rudy_wayne (414635) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655598)

"The study, which monitored the mental-health changes of 25,000 Japanese high-tech workers over three years, found that employees who worked five hours or more in front of a computer were more prone to depression and anxiety."

Yes, it's true. If you spend several hours at a computer doing menial work that you hate, overseen by a boss you hate (and vice-versa) then you'll most likely become bitter, anxiety ridden and depressed.

On the other hand, I spend several hours a day sitting at a computer doing a job that I love and I'm not the least bit depressed. In fact, I look forward to going to work every day.

People had lousy jobs that sucked and made them depressed long before computers were invented. Let's quit blaming computers for all of society's ills.

morose (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6655599)

This story makes me want to kill myself.

Working alone makes you lonely, not computers (5, Insightful)

neglige (641101) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655609)

I think the problem here is that workers who work alone (with the help of a computer) become lonely. Makes sense. But that is a problem with the surroundings, not with the computer.

I work at the university, couple of hours per day at a computer. Still, the co-workes and I have lunch together, take the time off to grab a coffee, or just wander over into the room next door to have a chat.

So if you feel lonely/depressed, try to work with a group of people (you like - that, of course, is a prerequisite), close to them, maybe in the same room.

And... maybe... don't reload the Slashdot page every minute! (SCNR)

From the article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6655631)

Sanders, the chief solutions officer at Yahoo!, said his career was thriving in the mid-1990s, yet he began to feel increasingly empty. He noticed colleagues sending him instant messages from 5 feet away. He watched brilliant engineers slowly replace face-to-face relationships with lower-risk contact online.

Perhaps Mr. Sanders hasn't yet realized that everyone wants to avoid him because he's just another stinkin' executive. Most engineers loathe the C-level execs, you moron.

WRONG! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6655699)

I work in tech, and my last two relationships have been with people FROM work.

Wrong Title (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6655706)

It should be:

Too Much Work Diminishes Tech Relationships?

Naah... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6655751)

That's what the pub's for...

This sounds great! (2, Funny)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655754)

small groups of engineers who went to completely electronic communication in their workgroups became 'very lonely, depressed, negative, anti-social, brilliant people.'

I'm already lonely, depressed, negative, and anti-social, but now i can become brilliant too! Sign me up!

From Personal Experience (5, Interesting)

Kirin3 (133278) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655757)

I'm certainly not going to be one of those folks who says an immediate 'yes' or 'no' to the question of technology turning us into things that we all know we're perfectly capable of without technology, but here is a different spin from some of the comments I've been reading:

(Keep in mind this is based on personal experiences)

- Many people do not own a landline phone unless they have ADSL.
- Many people do not use email anymore due to spam.
- Many people do not use IMs as they are far too many in number, and again have the spam issue.


This means they are often unavailable to a real-time communications, potentially emergency communications.

Some people take it to extremes, avoiding people by not using the methods they know their friends or family use, or by leaving everything to voicemail/email/IMs and simply ignoring messages. It's amazingly easy to ignore people when you have caller ID on your phones too.

Of those who do stay connected (often via every means possible), here are some behaviors I've noticed:

- Many people are getting obsessive about checking email, how much they're getting, and how they can get more without subscribing to mailing lists.
- Talking on the cellphone during obviously inappropriate and/or plain dangerous activities.
- Leaving their status as 'online' on all IMs to maybe increase the chance somebody wants to talk.
- Gotta have a landline, cellphone, PDA, MP3-man, [insert nifty new devices here].


I think more than anything, the current state of technology and communication is forcing the shy folks into hiding, and giving an amazing opportunity for all the people (worthy or not) of all that extra exposure to expose whatever it is they want to.

You're going to get morons. You're going to get brilliant individuals. And their profession really doesn't matter any more than it used to, the pace of life and the introduction of technology is simply accelerating people's reactions too.

The real problem (2, Insightful)

Kostya (1146) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655780)

Yes, anyone with some sense and normal social skills will feel the isolation of only using IM and email to communicate. But the real problem, the real source of frustration and stress are, well, the "true jerks".

This may seem obvious, but think about it. If you work remotely, is it that working remotely sucks or that the one real jerk you have to work with is empowered by IM and email to be even a greater jerk than he would normally be. Even real, genuine idiots and losers have no guts and will rarely treat you horribly to your face. But add some remoteness and the sense of safety that comes with email or IM, and you have a horrible working situation.

Sure, the tech can be isolating if you don't have any sense of balance. But what makes it intolerable and a real source of stress are these jerks. Yes, they would still be a jackass in person, but deep down you know they wouldn't have the guts to say what they are saying in email to your face.

Is it technology's fault? No. These people are jerks no matter what--they just use the technology that the rest of us enjoy to be even greater jerks. They are the genuine trolls and the losers who infest USENET--except they act this way in real life. They are everywhere you go--they just are more bold when they can hide behind a computer.

I don't believe it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6655785)

I'd say more, but I'm too busy writing a usb driver for my suicide machine.

This is quite subjective to begin with! (1)

ChilyWily (162187) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655827)

I like to walk over to people's cubes and discuss issues over the whiteboard. Granted, these are people I wish to associate with - with or without IM (which I don't use) there are some people I do avoid simply because they don't do anything themselves and disrupt my work. I personally think the whole 'asocial' behavior thing for geeks is over rated.

One Thing _is_ True (1)

jazman_777 (44742) | more than 11 years ago | (#6655887)

Too much Slashdot Diminishes Work.
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