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Rio Announces Networked Ogg Vorbis Player

simoniker posted more than 11 years ago | from the go-ogg-ogg-go dept.

Music 356

Alexander writes "Rio has announced several players, among them the Karma 20GB Ogg Vorbis music player, which also sports Ethernet as the preferred connection method. Is Ogg Vorbis finally gaining industry acceptance?" There's more information on the new Rio line-up via an article at The Register.

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40GB, too! (5, Informative)

Arthaed (687979) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668258)

And don't forget that according to this [digitalnetworksna.com] link, there is also going to be a 40GB for around $499!

Re:40GB, too! (5, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668344)

Just this weekend I just purchased a Panasonic (SL-SX420) portable CD player that happens to read MP3 CDs too. It was $39.99 at BestBuy. I was shopping around for a portable MP3 player but couldn't see spending $200 on a 20GB Nomad or even more for an iPod.

For those of you more unfortunate poor people (like myself), perhaps this [amazon.com] player would better suit your needs.

Slashdot Review: (3, Funny)

mr_luc (413048) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668365)

Slashdot review...

Karma: Excellent

Thank you.

first post (-1, Offtopic)

joe_bruin (266648) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668259)

don't touch it, that's the history eraser button, you fool

Re:first post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6668296)

The proof of the first posting is in the reading. -- Miguel de Cervantes

ffp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6668261)

ffp

Re:ffp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6668577)

YOU FAIL IT

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6668262)

first post! hahaha

Re:FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6668417)

You should've just left it as FP and then followed it up with a clever reply saying "fourth post."

music length (1, Flamebait)

IFF123 (679162) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668274)

finally: a player with 2 weeks of continuous music.....

Re:music length (0, Redundant)

ikkonoishi (674762) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668339)

Now if only the battery would last longer than 2.5 minutes.

Re:music length (3, Insightful)

phrenzy (105787) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668544)

Now if only the battery would last longer than 2.5 minutes

15 hours in fact - c'mon, it's a very small gadget and hard disks suck current! A certain other well known player only manages 8 hours.

Rob

Give to xiph if you use these. (5, Interesting)

Thinkit3 (671998) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668275)

Cynics are numerous and void of ideas. Ignore them. I hope Rio is giving to Xiph for using Ogg (I hear Xiph takes contracts to develop for a particular hardware), but anyone getting one of these should be donating. If Rio says they are giving a portion of the proceeds to Xiph, I'd be even more likely to buy from them.

Re:Give to xiph if you use these. (3, Insightful)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668371)

anyone getting one of these should be donating.
I can hear those "Flamebait" mods being cocked already, but ... in a word ... why?

If Xiph wants to make money off Ogg, they should sell it. If I want to donate money, I'll donate it to cancer research or something.

You get to use Ogg too... (2, Funny)

Thinkit3 (671998) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668426)

...but someone else may donate twice what your share should have been.

Who is this new editor, "simonigger" (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6668277)

I don't know him very well yet but so far he seems gay, I'll keep watching.

first post! (1)

Chrontius (654879) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668280)

Woohoo!

Of course, Ogg is good for Sonic|BLUE since they don't have to liscense an MPEG decoder for each player they sell, correct?

Re:first post! (4, Informative)

tuffy (10202) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668311)

Of course, Ogg is good for Sonic|BLUE since they don't have to liscense an MPEG decoder for each player they sell, correct?
All their players still have mp3 support, so some sort of MPEG decoding license is necessary. But the Vorbis support costs them nothing extra in licensing.

Re:first post! (2, Insightful)

Chrontius (654879) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668551)

Ok, you got me there, but it's still going to be a feature that most geeks consider when they look at the Rio players, which makes it a Good Thing(tm) for them to do.

Re:first post! (1)

RadioheadKid (461411) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668315)

Sonic Blue does not exist anymore.

Re:first post! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6668527)

No! It is a frosty pist failure!!

Re:first post! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6668583)

There's different ways of licensing mp3 technology. You can do it per piece of hardware or software, or you can just work out a flat fee.

Rio Car (4, Informative)

SuperQ (431) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668282)

The software that runs on the thing is based on the software used in the Empeg linux player.. the Karma runs linux, and has a usb2 hub, not a client.. lots of hack potential.

Re:Rio Car (1)

ChiefArcher (1753) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668308)

And with the possibility of paying $1399 to SCO...
I'm still worried (not) about SCO making me pay $1399 for my tivo. (yeah.. i know.. it's not a 2.4 kernel)

Re:Rio Car (5, Informative)

pdh11 (227974) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668379)

Unlike some previous Empeg/Rio products, the Karma does not run Linux. It runs Ecos, the popular open-source embedded OS. The firmware isn't designed to be modified like the Rio Central or car-player was.

(It always used to gall me slightly that the Rio Central and car-player were described as "hackable", with the implication that people customising them were outwitting us in some way, whereas in fact we put a good deal of effort into making them geek-customisable...)

Peter

Re:Rio Car (1)

prator (71051) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668579)

(It always used to gall me slightly that the Rio Central and car-player were described as "hackable", with the implication that people customising them were outwitting us in some way, whereas in fact we put a good deal of effort into making them geek-customisable...)

You shouldn't feel that way. The label of being "hackable" makes the device more desirable for a lot of us. Let us feel like we're doing something dirty and get more sales in the process. Sounds like a good deal to me.

-prator

Re:Rio Car (1)

boopus (100890) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668388)

It doesn't actually run linux, unfortunatly. The sofware is based on the Empeg, wich runs linux, but the karma doesn't.

Obligatory Slashdot reference.. (1, Informative)

magsymp (562489) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668285)

I'd be happy with 20GB of Karma!!!

(I think I just soiled myself).

Not a dupe! (1, Funny)

wfberg (24378) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668287)

We'll have to wait for a dupe until ThinkGeek [thinkgeek.com] starts selling it..

Lineage 2 uses OGG for its sound. (0)

mesmartyoudumb (471890) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668303)

New MMORPG called Lineage 2 uses OGG for its sound,at least in beta. :-)

Finally (5, Insightful)

ttyp0 (33384) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668306)

This is exactly what I've been waiting for. There are lots of great MP3 players out there, but most depend on USB. I want something that I can use with my stereo system, and running a 30 ft CAT5 is much easier than 30ft of USB cable. Now only if it were 802.11. I think this device will definately have me looking at Ogg.

Anti SCO T-Shirt. [anti-tshirts.com] $1 donated to OSI Fund on each shirt.

Re:Finally (2, Interesting)

Anil (7001) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668457)

Maybe someone can hack it so that you could use a wireless USB NIC on the USB2 port. I guess it depends on if the device has a usable USB output port or a crazy one that takes a customized USB converter cable (haven't seen enough pictures to tell).

Re:Finally (5, Informative)

pdh11 (227974) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668567)

Maybe someone can hack it so that you could use a wireless USB NIC on the USB2 port.

Use an Ethernet-to-wireless bridge (e.g. WET11) on the Ethernet port. No hacking required.

Peter

Re:Finally (1)

Dungus (2610) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668585)

That wouldn't work unless the devices are USB OTG compliant, which they aren't. You'd need a USB host in there, you can't just hook two USB devices together.

I suffer from Linux user mentality (3, Funny)

mao che minh (611166) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668316)

The site doesn't jive with Mozilla (all jumbled up and the menus/DHTML is attrocious), therefore the company must suck.

Oh, it plays Ogg. Well, if't less then $20 I'll buy it!

Re:I suffer from Linux user mentality (4, Insightful)

The Salamander (56587) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668405)

Well, I wouldn't go that far... but if a company's website functions poorly it does reflect negatively on the company and its products.

I know I am definiately less likely to purchase something if can't easily access information on their products.

Re:I suffer from Linux user mentality (1)

TedCheshireAcad (311748) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668473)

Doesn't jive with Safari either.

I was gonna buy one, being a Mac user and all, spending more money than I should on stuff I don't need just because it's cool.

oh well, they lose.

Works fine in OPERA (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6668582)

All the listed sites WORK GREAT IN OPERA. Don't sing the Open-Source-Blues anymore and INSTALL OPERA TODAY! [opera.com]

Competition rocks (4, Interesting)

squarooticus (5092) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668324)

Even though Digital Innovations got my money for being the first out of the gate with Neuros [neurosaudio.com] support for Ogg Vorbis, competition is always a good thing, and having more players that support Vorbis means lower prices and less potential for lock-in or obsolescence.

Ogg Vorbis destroys MP3 in terms of quality, and is competitive with all of the newer proprietary codecs (e.g., AAC, MP3Pro, WMA) at high bitrates while providing much better performance than those at low bitrates (e.g., sub-64kbps).

Don't let the intelligentsia decide whether Vorbis is the right codec for you or not: the free market will decide this question, and as a result of this development, that market just got more interesting.

Re:Competition rocks (3, Funny)

grazzy (56382) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668411)

who cares about low bitrates, i want my cd-quality.

Re:Competition rocks (5, Informative)

tuffy (10202) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668469)

who cares about low bitrates, i want my cd-quality.

Then encode to FLAC, which this new player also supports. FLAC is CD quality (completely lossless) at half the space and is a completely open format.

Re:Competition rocks (1)

tuffy (10202) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668437)

Sadly the Vorbis support in Neuros is very much still in beta, and completely unlistenable on any tunes above quality "5". Unfortunately, this covers nearly all my Vorbis collection and so the wait for a finalized firmware update is frustrating. I hope Neuros will get that firmware finished and add some FLAC support in the process (which should be considerably easier than Vorbis, since FLAC is all integer-ops already).

If this new Karma player can handle all the Vorbis quality rates and FLAC - out of the box - I'll be picking one up.

Re:Competition rocks (1)

squarooticus (5092) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668470)

Agreed that the support is less than 100%. This wouldn't be a problem if bitpeeling were available, but no one on the Vorbis team seems willing to take on that project. Nonetheless, I have gotten many, many enjoytable Vorbis-playing hours out of my Neuros after re-encoding some music at -q3; it has already made my long weekend drives much more pleassant.

Re:Competition rocks (1)

tuffy (10202) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668520)

Agreed that the support is less than 100%. This wouldn't be a problem if bitpeeling were available, but no one on the Vorbis team seems willing to take on that project.

Vorbis bitrate peeling seems to be an April Fools joke that's gotten way out of hand. The idea is apparently interesting, but the Vorbis format just isn't well suited to being "peeled" to lower bitrates, and so nobody is working to make it a reality :(

Re:Competition rocks (1)

squarooticus (5092) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668546)

AFAIK, the Vorbis format is well-suited to being peeled, but the information resulting from the MDCT need to be ordered in a certain way; thus, current files would need to be partially-decoded and then re-encoded in order to support a fast peeler. I don't think it is an April Fool's gag (although Segher did pull one of those on us earlier this year), but it seems like a sufficiently large project that they will wait until either (a) someone on the team is really bored or (b) demand gets very high.

Re:Competition rocks (1)

boopus (100890) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668476)

Ogg may destroy the competition in terms of quality, but it wasn't designed with computing power in mind. You don't see ogg in every portable for the same reason that you don't see divx in every DVD player.

Re:Competition rocks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6668502)

No, the primary reason you don't see Vorbis support in every player is that the market for it is too small to justify the development cost required to integrate the support. Since this is largely a chicken-and-egg problem, once a few players support Vorbis, the advantages of Vorbis will become a selling point for those players, and support will spread.

Neuros extensibility. (1)

Joseph Vigneau (514) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668480)

The nice thing about the Neuros is the "backpack" system used, which will allow users to upgrade to USB2 and/or a bigger hard drive in the future.

Guess what I want for (winter_holiday)! (0)

Limburgher (523006) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668326)

Guess what I want for (winter_holiday)!

Maybe my (family_member) will get me one! I should make sure to let (him_her_them) know I'm interested.

Seriously, gotta get me one. Looks awesome.

Sounds good... (1, Funny)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668328)

but does it play WMP files?

Re:Sounds good... (3, Funny)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668402)

Yes, it supports both WMA and MP3. FINALLY, a device that supports both WMA and MP3, in addition to Ogg Vorbis!!! (sarcasm intended)

Re:Sounds good... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6668456)

but does it play WMP files?

Yes, and it even plays teh latest Winamp files!!!!1

Re:Sounds bad (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6668481)

Personally, I'm waiting for a portable player that supports open source codecs from the future.

Re:Sounds good... (2, Insightful)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668497)

Does anybody actually have any WMA files? That contain music? That they actually listen to? I don't even know where i would get a program that rips CD's to WMA. Why does everything always include support for WMA when nobody really uses it?

Re:Sounds good... (3, Informative)

grennis (344262) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668563)

Does anybody actually have any WMA files?

Yes

That contain music?

Yes

That they actually listen to?

I have my whole 300 CD music collection ripped to WMA. (You can just turn off DRM).

I don't even know where i would get a program that rips CD's to WMA.

That is a silly thing to say... its called Windows Media Player (duh)

Why does everything always include support for WMA when nobody really uses it?

With WMP 9: Better compression, better audio quality, and, like you said, universal and total support. I guess when you say "nobody" you mean "nobody except the 95% of users out there running Windows"

Ethernet connection method, long overdue? (4, Insightful)

Eric(b0mb)Dennis (629047) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668329)

Using ethernet to transfer the data seems like it's a great idea and long overdue in the portable media player market...

Although with the advent of firewire and usb2.1, it doesn't seem that big anymore

Re:Ethernet connection method, long overdue? (4, Informative)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668420)

insightful?

Um, neither usb or firewire are rated for the distances of ethernet [cat5]. I think *that* is the point. E.g. your computer in one room and the home stereo + tv + stuff in another.

Plus you can get 30ft of cat5 for about as much as 6ft of usb retail [sick!]. :-)

Tom

Re:Ethernet connection method, long overdue? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6668516)

I'd like to see an ipod sized player with 802.11b. We've already got a small hand-full of DVD players with 802.11b, which is promising.

Re:Ethernet connection method, long overdue? (2, Interesting)

josquin00 (675292) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668479)

I probably should RTFA more carefully, but I wonder if you can use this as a networked music server/file share, or if it only synchronizes to one machine? As someone who does freelance tech work, it'd be nice (read: fulfill my geek desires) to carry my toolset and my music all on one device.

Re:Ethernet connection method, long overdue? (1)

frodo from middle ea (602941) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668488)

Ever wondered what is the price diff. between a 30 Feet Cat5 and a 30 Feet Firewire/USB 2.0 Cable ?

What's with the aesthetics? (3, Funny)

ilsie (227381) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668333)

They all look like they were designed by Mike Brady.

WHO CARES? CMDRTACO, PLEASE FIRE TIMOTHY TIA!!!!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6668334)

Looking for WiFi (1)

jdray (645332) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668343)

In a pocket-sized box, I'd be looking for Wi-Fi rather than a cabled connection. USB would suffice for music transfers over a cable.

Of course, if its got Ethernet and runs Linux, it'll be hacked into a server in about ten minutes after it's been released to market.

morons note 'flurrIE' of storIEs on /. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6668347)

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what (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6668394)

MP3, too (1)

aridhol (112307) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668359)

Looks like this one does MP3s as well, so you don't have to worry about MP3s you already have. Of course you could convert them, but you lose more quality (lossy-to-lossy conversion loses more than either original encoding).

Re:MP3, too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6668401)

lossy-to-lossy conversion loses more than either original encoding

thank you professor geek

Nice to see Rio joining! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6668374)

We all know about the Neuros Player [neurosaudio.com] (right? right?!) but it's nice to see Rio join to help us crush those dirty abberations known as mp3 files. *spit* OGG SHALL PREVAIL!!!

The RIO people are really cool. (4, Insightful)

scorp1us (235526) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668377)

I have an old empeg. No longer made, but they still find time to make refinemenats toit. They are a bunch of linux geeks like the rest of us. Since Tremor (the fixed-point Ogg decoder) came out, there's not been any reason to not have Ogg. They've got a tight code base too, and if they can find the time, the old empeg people might get the capability to play Ogg, which is something I've been requesting a while. But these discontunued products are last on the priority list. The 3.0 alpha code plays on the player, and when it goes beta, we (empeg owners) might just get Ogg...

Re:The RIO people are really cool. (4, Informative)

phrenzy (105787) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668430)

The 3.0 alpha code plays on the player, and when it goes beta, we (empeg owners) might just get Ogg..

You bet - Karma builds from the same codebase as the car player (although it runs eCos not Linux due to code size and lack of an MMU).

3.0 already plays Ogg, and will get released when we're done with our seven (count em) new products. It's been a bit hectic around here lately!

Rob
(formerly of empeg, now Rio)

goatse troll (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6668380)

goatse troll [goatse.cx]

or alternatively, visit scenic www.yourethemannowdog.com [yourethemannowdog.com]

ipod size comparison (4, Informative)

morcheeba (260908) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668383)

RioKarma 20:
20G 2.7 x 3.0 x 0.90 = 7.29 inch^3 5.5oz

ipod specs [apple.com]
10G 4.1 x 2.4 x 0.62 = 6.10 inch^3 5.6oz
15G 4.1 x 2.4 x 0.62 = 6.10 inch^3 5.6oz
30G 4.1 x 2.4 x 0.73 = 7.18 inch^3 6.2oz

So it's pretty comprable size-wise and breaks from the pcmcia 1.8" hard drive mold (0.20" x 2.13" x 3.37") [synchrotech.com] that defines the ipod.

Re:ipod size comparison (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6668510)

And you don't have to send any money to an evil empire like Apple.

A good MP3 player is more than technical gimmickry (3, Informative)

oceanclub (654183) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668393)

This is great, just as long as Rio improve their build quality and service. I've had two Rio Volts; the first started pausing for no apparent reason. The second works, but is plagued by minor tics, a battery case that never stays shut, huge startup times, jumps in sound and skipping even when playing MP3s.

After the third remote control broke, and I tried to buy a new one from Rio itself (rather than Amazon, where I bought it) it turned out that not only would they not ship items from their e-store, they would even accept a non-US credit card it (when I tried to buy and have it sent to a US friend to send on to me). Needless to say, I'm not impressed by a company quite happy to take foreigner's money while giving them a shoddy service.

P.

Size Comparison (1)

devnullkac (223246) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668396)

From the listed specs, it appears that this device is almost exactly the size, shape, and weight of two boxes of paperclips side-by-side.

Re:Size Comparison (1)

Hamster Of Death (413544) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668572)

Hmm so that's 1/65535th of a volkswagon beetle?
And it holds how many libraires of congress?
Give us some useful measurments here!

Drat! (4, Informative)

bytesmythe (58644) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668403)

Trying to find a music player that does what I want is annoying. The closest I've seen so far is the Neuros [neurosaudio.com] , actually.

The problem with the Karma here is it doesn't appear to have a radio tuner, unlike the Neuros. The Neuros also:

  • Broadcasts on a locally unused FM frequency so you can transmit it to a nearby radio.
  • Record and encode MP3s from any source (internal radio tuner or line-in). [I have been told that recording to OGG is a possible future firmware update.]
  • The syncing software is being ported to linux.
  • If they come out with a higher capacity, you just get a new storage "backpack". No need to buy an entirely new unit.

The main thing the Neuros doesn't have that I would like is a line-out, but oh well. It does nearly everything else I'd want.

Re:Drat! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6668519)

Radio tuners and fast CPUs and buses don't play well together, kinda like microwaves and 802.11.

Most tuner-enabled MP3 players are plagued with poor reception. Unfortunately, since the average consumer is unable to comprehend why that is, and unable to accept poor reception, tuners are rarely included.

Geek Priorities (1)

Talia Starhawke (650311) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668414)

You know you have your priorities straight when you buy a geek toy that's more than your rent!

Re:Geek Priorities (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6668549)

And where the hell do you live that $399 is more than your rent? Your mother's basement? Before I bought my house I was paying $1100 per month in rent.

Powerful tools include cross-fader... (4, Interesting)

jalano (309339) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668423)

"Powerful tools include cross-fader..."


Does this mean we *finally* have a portable mp3 player (non-cd based) that can play back gapless recordings? This is one of the few features that has held me back from buying an iPod.

Re:Powerful tools include cross-fader... (5, Informative)

phrenzy (105787) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668489)

Does this mean we *finally* have a portable mp3 player (non-cd based) that can play back gapless recordings?

It plays gapless anyway, unless your encoder has inserted masses of blank frames (which you can trim with various utilities).

The cross fader is for radio style mixes, which works particularly well if you're on random playback from your entire music collection. The last few seconds of the current track will cross fade into the first few seconds of the next track - I leave this switched on most of the time now. You would turn it off for continuous mixes though.

Rob

Re:Powerful tools include cross-fader... (1)

jalano (309339) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668530)

Wow, you have one of these already?

I encode with lame --nogap and it works great with software players such as xmms, but I have yet to find any hardware-based players which will be able to play it back with no gap.

I'm not interested in doing random mixes - I'd just like to listen to albums the way they were intended, with tracks that smoothly transition from one to the other. This is common in classical concert performances, and with DJ-ed trance mixes.

Is Ogg Vorbis finally gaining industry acceptance? (5, Insightful)

willll (635932) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668441)

The answer to this question is irrelevant. The real question is "Is Ogg Vorbis gaining consumer acceptance?" It doesn't matter if the music industry thinks Ogg Vorbis is good, as long as consumers aren't using it. And the answer to the question is a definite no. How many people talk about ogg sharing, the same way they talk about mp3 sharing? How many casual music downloaders have heard of Ogg Vorbis, let alone know what it is? As long as these numbers are low, products for playing ogg files will fail, and the industries acceptance of Ogg Vorbis won't matter, until consumers play ogg's instead of mp3's, and know that they are using ogg's.

Re:Is Ogg Vorbis finally gaining industry acceptan (1)

dazk (665669) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668533)

I tend to disagree. While many definately never heard of Ogg Vorbis, there probably won't be any ogg only player in the near future. For that reason, ogg products won't fail. But if there are players, buyers of these products might notice ogg and try it out.

OpenSource Music (0)

devphaeton (695736) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668474)

Alright! All you need now is OpenSource Music! Start by getting this song here! [mia.net] . Ph33r a day in the life of a geek.

Good closed source, proprietary music (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6668537)

First... cool tune, man. I dig it.

But what is Open Source about that music?! You've given us a link to the binary. Where's the source? Raw tracks? Midi data? Lyrics? Sheet music? Lead sheet? Chords? Anything?! Lame.

Opera chokes too (1)

teklob (650327) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668483)

I can't view the site in mozilla firebird or opera properly, so I can't see if the price is listed there, but I've been looking for somethign to replace my 4 year old minidisc player and depending on the price, this could be really good. Is there a MSRP anywhere on the page that might have been covered by the menus?

Ethernet..for? (1)

MrEnigma (194020) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668495)

It sounds like the ethernet port is only attached when the player is docked?

So this basically means you could dock it in your living room next to the stereo..and update it via the network, and use it as a mp3 server, etc. This in itself would rock.

FLAC Support Too (5, Interesting)

asv108 (141455) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668503)

From the Rio Homepage

Powerful tools include cross-fader, 5-band parametric equalizer, Ogg Vorbis and FLAC support, and a huge, backlit display capable of visualizations, animated menus, and 16 shades of gray.

Now this is a reason to celebrate! I can get rid of my audiotron and my portable for one system that supports OGG and FLAC. FLAC support is huge for the thousands of people who download [etree.org] and share [furthurnet.com] legal lossless music.

The eternal question (2, Funny)

rolocroz (625853) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668504)

But does it play...oh, never mind.

Ethernet... (1)

Steev (5372) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668513)

But is it 10 or 100 mbps ethernet? Everything USB device I plug in now seems to require more power than my hub can give it. If I could just copy the files over to it with ethernet the world would be a better place.

Offtopic, but... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6668514)

Does anyone else find it funny that the ServerBench Windows Servers advertised here on Slashdot come with "Free Rapid Reboot." Who needs stability in a server when you get free reboots!!!

Is Ethernet a good idea? (1, Insightful)

Jack Comics (631233) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668526)

Maybe it's just me, and maybe I'm an idiot (there's always a good chance of that), but does using an Ethernet connection make any sense? Most computers used by typical home users only have one Ethernet port, and that's usually already used by their cable/DSL modem. Meanwhile, there are plenty of empty and/or shareable USB & Firewire ports available...

Run, Slashdotters, run! (4, Funny)

SandSpider (60727) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668539)

Quickly! To the Stores! Or to the Online Merchant of Your Choice!

Since this is exactly what you've been calling for, I expect this thing to outsell the iPod in a week or two. I mean, Ogg Vorbis is the super format that's been the only thing keeping a legion of geeks from buying an MP3 player, right? Go hang a salami...I mean, hang Interface and Availablity, it's all about the Ogg.

Mind you, if this doesn't sell like hotcakes, well, Vorbis won't have been quite the driving market force that you'd been preaching, will it? So you might want to by 5, just in case. Don't worry, if the market's there, you'll be able to sell them on ebay, sometimes for more than you'd bought them for. If the iPod is any benchmark, that is.

=Brian

Xbox = ultimate media player (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6668552)

My Xbox with 120 GB hard drive is connected to my PC via ethernet and to my home theater via an optical connection. With Xbox Media Player, it plays Divx, Xvid, SVCD, MP3, OGG, etc. Yeah, it rocks.

To gain acceptance it needs a better name. (1)

Quarters (18322) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668555)

Marketing folks must hate putting "Ogg Vorbis" on things. It could easily be confused with onomatopoeia for vomitting.

AAC+ (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6668568)

What's the point of using Ogg Vorbis when there is AAC+? AAC+ is better than Vorbis at all bitrates. Vorbis is not even good past 128kbps unless you're using the unofficial GT3b1 tuning. If you're going to spend so much money on a multimedia player, I don't think it would break the bank to buy Nero or Quicktime for AAC encoding. Vorbis doesn't even seem to be in development anymore, while AAC is being developed by many other companies.

Vorbis can't compete.

iRiver OGG update (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6668570)

In related news, iRiver gave this update on Vorbis support earlier this week: here [iriver.com]

Looks great, except for the web site (1)

proxima (165692) | more than 11 years ago | (#6668580)

The player itself looks great, and just might be worthy of my money in the next year or so.

The site, though, works like crap in mozilla. Can anyone post links to the menu-driven pages that we mozilla users can't access? I'd like to know if they're planning on making it OS-agnostic with the ethernet interface. Maybe a crappy web-based upload thing to be hacked into a little FTP server or something would be terrific.

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