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Gaming Girls Of GenCon Interviewed

simoniker posted more than 11 years ago | from the more-alliteration-please dept.

Role Playing (Games) 27

Thanks to RPGnet for posting an article interviewing a cross-section of the women at the GenCon gaming convention, and discussing how they fit into a "cohesive, well-established, largely male-oriented culture." The author of the piece interviews individuals that she classifies as the 'young gamer', the 'entrepreneur', the 'organizer', and the 'booth babe', among others, and tries to illuminate "how women fit themselves into the loose conglomeration that is gamer culture, and how they formed their own unique subset of gaming."

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I think... (4, Interesting)

Shadows-and-Ice (669658) | more than 11 years ago | (#6715866)

... she caught it with the Booth Babe and the Adult Gamer; we are a bit weird, and we know it, and accept it, and it becomes our normal. It's just us being us. (So normal, in fact, that I'm decidedly more uncomfortable around girls than I am around guys. Which is just wrong, really. I've lost my girly bits!)

Re:I think... (3, Funny)

Locky (608008) | more than 11 years ago | (#6715881)

I wonder if its possible for UIDs to get Slashdotted.

I know... (2, Funny)

the darn (624240) | more than 11 years ago | (#6715944)

...that there's a joke here, and it probably involves breasts, but I'm too tired to think of it just now.

some girl-girl action? did you find it? (0, Flamebait)

yo5oy (549821) | more than 11 years ago | (#6715949)

"I was itching to go check out some girl-girl role-playing action. I had a feeling I knew where I'd find it." I really do think that would have been a much more interesting subject that has a greater appeal to /. readership. (= +++ when i want to find some girl on girl action i go online.

Not that there's anything WRONG with that... (1, Interesting)

lidocaineus (661282) | more than 10 years ago | (#6715994)

Hah. I have two friends, both gay, one working for Raven and one working for Treyarch, and they both think the whole 'booth babe' thing is way over the top, even beyond kitch. Not that they're against the bb's, nor do they think it's demeaning or anything, and they're not even looking for 'booth guys', but... I dunno, it's complicated, and I probably can't explain it properly either.

Re:Not that there's anything WRONG with that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6716220)

that has got to be one of the worst comments ive ever seen on /.

i mean, wow, if you dont have anything worthwhile to add to the discussion then don't say anything at all.

Oh, the irony... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6716730)

the irony of self-describing comments...

Re:Not that there's anything WRONG with that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6716716)

I'm not English native speaker. What does "booth babe" means?

BTW I'm glad to see I'm not the only gay programmer in the world! 8-) Sometimes it seems so.

Re:Not that there's anything WRONG with that... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6716952)

2 of 3 people in this [gamedev.net] image are booth babes.

Re:Not that there's anything WRONG with that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6717084)

Ok, I get it. The other one sure is NOT a 'booth guy' 8-D

Re:Not that there's anything WRONG with that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6720594)

but... I dunno, it's complicated, and I probably can't explain it properly either.

Well, thanks for sharing.

Re:Not that there's anything WRONG with that... (1)

uhhhhhhh (673093) | about 11 years ago | (#6722952)

There is nothing that you cannot sell better using sex than you can without. And that is something I thought everyone knew.

You might be reading Slashdot if . . . (5, Funny)

Momomoto (118483) | more than 10 years ago | (#6716224)

. . . you clicked on the link just to see if there were any hot women who game living in your area.

So lonely.

Gerhahh (3, Insightful)

The-Bus (138060) | more than 10 years ago | (#6716232)

The article seemed a bit disappointing. First, it concentrated mostly on Gamers as in "Role Playing" Gamers. And yes, she does interview a cross-section of females, but they are mostly all at the Gen-Con.

What's disappointing is that it seems instead of analyzing what it means to be a female gamer or explaining "how women fit themselves into the loose conglomeration that is gamer culture" she just categorizes these individuals into a group, which is unfortunate.

Either interview hundreds of people, then create categories from that, or interview individuals and explain their stories (as opposed to using acronyms to sound good and describing that they wear chain-mail bikini).

An OK article, but I expected more.

Re:Gerhahh (1)

ghostlibrary (450718) | more than 10 years ago | (#6716632)

Hi,

Observation and Analysis are completely different steps. And you have to do this sort of observation first.

Actually, it's a morphology piece, sort of like anthropology. First you organize categories and see how they fit. Then you hand off the work to fine theorists for analysis.

Not to mention, it was a piece about GenCon, so it's not terribly surprising the women gamers were "mostly all at the Gen-Con". It's an inherent limit, yes, but not an unreasonable one.

I thought it was a good observational/morphology piece, and kind of hope slashdot readers can contribute to the analysis part.

Extra: Female Eats Lunch! (2, Insightful)

I(rispee_I(reme (310391) | more than 10 years ago | (#6717210)

Wow, so females play games too, huh? And this is new and exciting, because... they're female? As I recall, there was a similar article here a while back; it too took great pains to point out the chromosome difference, and also presented a poorly written analysis of "females in gaming", full of opinions and generalizations masquerading as a culture study. Both of the articles have such a phoney ring to them that I can't help but wonder what motivates them. Ideas, anyone?

Re:Extra: Female Eats Lunch! (1)

KnarfO (320113) | about 11 years ago | (#6724558)

C'mon, girls in gaming is different than girls eating lunch.

To use your analogy: If you went to lunch every day and saw maybe one or two other women there, if any, wouldn't you raise your eyebrows a bit to learn that there's a cafe in town with close to a 50/50 ratio of men to women?

To put it another way, if your girlfriend/wife/sigother looked upon your eating habits in a condescending or jealous manner, constantly trying to brow beat you into 'growing up' and forgetting about 'lunch' alltogether, would it not surprise you somewhat to learn that there actually do exist females who like to go for an occasional sandwich in the middle of the day?

OH boy (3, Insightful)

Sevn (12012) | more than 10 years ago | (#6717543)

With most things typically dominated by men you can group the women that participate into two categories:

#1 Diehard fans. They love whatever game, field of study, etc. with an abundance of passion. They are no different and should be treated no differently than anybody else in the field, game, etc. They are easy to spot because they are the polar opposite of....

#2 Attention seekers. They enjoy the fact that they get extra attention and feed off it. They get to pretend they are prom queen. They get an ego boost and rush from being the most beautiful girl in the room because they are the only girl in the room. If you were to bring in 50 women off the street to stand around her you'd realize she's really plain after all.

We had a TON of #2 in the military. The fear of sexual harassment was so ingrained in the men that they pretty much got away with murder.

In the tech sector, It's mostly been #1's. You can't play with your hair and flirt when shit needs fixed. THE best sysadmin I've ever had the pleasure of learning things from was a woman. Strangly enough, the best officer I ever met in the military was a woman also.

Re:OH boy (1)

GeekGirlie (698666) | more than 10 years ago | (#6719255)

I have never really found it hard being a female gamer in a world of male gamers. I have always gotten along much better with males than females. When Mortal Kombat was at its peak in the arcades, I enjoyed going out and beating all the gamer boys who thought that they would never be beaten by anyone, much less a teenage girl. The looks you get from that are priceless, let me tell you. I find it very interesting that you can limit classification of women into just two categories. I always thought the world was full of grays not just black and white, but what do I know? I think everyone fits into both of these categories regardless of their gender, hobbies, occupation, etc. Personally, I have been gaming for 18 of my 26 years. My brother is a gamer, my husband is a gamer and most of my friends have been gamers. I would consider myself a "Diehard fan" of the games I play. However, I can also be an "attention seeker." I don't think I'm the most beautiful girl in the room, whether I am the only female or not. But I, like many many many other people, feed off of any positive attention I receive. Maybe you're right, "you can't play with your hair and flirt when shit needs fixed." But, you can sure as hell play with your hair and flirt when you are beating someone at a video game ;)

One question (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6717572)

Were they any women who weren't beastly?

E3 Girls (3, Funny)

M3wThr33 (310489) | more than 10 years ago | (#6718117)

Of the 4 times I've been to E3, I've taken my girlfriend 3 times(Didn't know her on my first time).

There's always some good stories of people's shock when they realize she's not a babe or some booth worker(She's not bimbo-like, but I guess anything with boobs can be considered one).

Like this year, she was playing Vice City PC, and some moderately-old mother(Why was SHE here?) was watching her play it with an open jaw. I guess seeing a woman mow down pedestrains wasn't her thing.

Or two years ago she was testing out some flight chair that moves based on your analog stick, and they used Rogue Squadron to demo it. She got in the chair, started playing(She already got the game at launch) and the guy started telling her how to play, but stopped mid-sentence as she was taking out the towers on the Death Star.

Interesting article but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6718882)

too many words, not enough pictures of geek chicks! And not a single one of the booth babe! Unfair!

I don't know why but... (3, Insightful)

GeekGirlie (698666) | more than 10 years ago | (#6719178)

I was mildy insulted by this article. I can't quite place my finger on why...but, I think it has something to do with the fact that it made me feel weird to be a female gamer. And, yes, my husband has already pointed out to me that gamers are weird regardless of their gender. I guess that it just gave me this vibe that it was ok for guys to be weird gamers but not for girls. And what was with her being able to spot the "young gamer" by the way she looked?!?!!? I know that she was trying to find out what makes girls tick in the gaming world but right now I want to hide my PS2 and go find a Barbie. :/

Re:I don't know why but... (1)

danro (544913) | about 11 years ago | (#6720921)

I want to hide my PS2 and go find a Barbie. :/

Nah, just ignore them and load up your favorite game instead.

You are allowed to enjoy your own interrests, and if anyone thinks otherwise it's their friggin' problem.

Go be as weird as you like!

Re:I don't know why but... (1)

GeekGirlie (698666) | about 11 years ago | (#6721331)

That sounds like good advice to me :) Anyway, I think my husband would be extremely annoyed if I hid the PS2...especially with Final Fantasy X-2 on its way out.

Excuse me. (1)

luekj (692478) | about 11 years ago | (#6719849)

But how can someone actually attend meetings on the rules of a game. Nevermind, I guess I'm just as sad as that is. I'll stop my insult befoer it is fully formed and feel sad.

Both Babes? (1)

uhhhhhhh (673093) | about 11 years ago | (#6723013)

The last time I talked to someone, a woman at that, who regularly attened IT conventions for Palm in places like Las Vegas they were called Both Bunnies.
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