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Linux on Laptops Manufacturer Report Card Updated

CmdrTaco posted about 11 years ago | from the everybody-likes-laptops dept.

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wehe writes "The Linux on Laptops Manufacturer Report Card was updated. The changes are based on some of the criticisms the first announcement at SlashDot has got. A matrix of Original Equipment Manufacturers - OEM relations was added together with tips and tricks how to identify the original laptop manufacturer. Also a list of Linux laptop and PDA resellers was added. Unfortunately even in our times of Linux success, support by laptop manufacturers is seldom, or if provided not much helpful. Though the marketing departments of some major manufacturers have announced Linux support for their laptops sometimes, it was not developed or silently dropped. Because of the rapid development (every manufacturer creates new models almost every three months) and the specific hardware of mobile computer devices and accessories (see Linux Mobile Guide for details), it is important to have current and reliable information about their Linux compatibility. A current example is Intel`s new Centrino(TM) technology. Though there are many Linux laptop installation reports available already, Intel still does not provide full Linux support yet. Note: the URL of the original "Linux on Laptops Manufacturer Report Card" has changed from MobiliX to TuxMobil, because of severe trademark trouble with Asterix and Obelix, as reported on SlashDot."

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1st! (-1, Troll)

Ironix (165274) | about 11 years ago | (#6716363)

1st post

Re:1st! (-1, Offtopic)

Ironix (165274) | about 11 years ago | (#6716372)

Wow! That was my first first post. hehe

Now this is my first 2nd post. =)

Re:Customary Slashdot Behavior (-1)

handybundler (232934) | about 11 years ago | (#6716383)

you got all excited and had to reply to your ownfirst post. well, you've screwed up beacause now I have to claim it. nice try!

FP? -- mine now!

Re:1st! (-1, Offtopic)

Diotallevi (688468) | about 11 years ago | (#6716501)

going to quote ole oscar (the first unibomber) wilde He tried to kill people with explosions of bad poetry. :P

HP, Compaq + ATI = worst support ever (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716376)

Just FYI for those buying a laptop --

The "Radeons" that come with most new HP/Compaq laptops aren't really radeons. They are "Radeon IGP320/340" chips.

These -do not- work with the radeon 3d driver. To repeat: if you buy these laptops, you'll only get 3d support under windows. There is -no- 3d support under linux.

HP, Compaq, and ATI have all stonewalled on the issue. Getting support on this issue from any of them is useless. Heck, the only reason 2D works is because good folks in the community made it happen.

The bottom line is if you want accelerated 3D, look elsewhere.

Re:HP, Compaq + ATI = worst support ever (1)

digitalunity (19107) | about 11 years ago | (#6716388)

While it's no speed demon, my old Fujitsu Lifebook Just Works. Except the shitty winmodem. I got that fixed with a PCMCIA replacement in the form of a Lan card. Got X, networking, KDE, Qt 3.2, everything on it runs perfect. Still a little slow. And the video card, although supported, still sux!

Re:HP, Compaq + ATI = worst support ever (3, Informative)

Metasquares (555685) | about 11 years ago | (#6716484)

Supposedly, one of the later 2.5 kernel patches introduced agpgart support for the Radeon IGP. I did manage to get agpgart to detect the ATI Northbridge on my HP Pavilion in 2.6.0-test2 (Something I couldn't do in 2.4.20-9), but I still couldn't get the DRI driver to work. I haven't played with it too much, but it seems that it may work with some tweaking in 2.6 kernels.

Re:HP, Compaq + ATI = worst support ever (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716493)

HP's support has to be one of the worst that I've seen. I had a problem with the keyboard on the laptop: the shift and cntrl keys would not work sporadically. Initially their tech guy told me that it was a known issue (a BIOS problem). When I called up asking for an ETA on the BIOS update, their response was: we think its a battery issue, and will send you a new battery! WTF? Obviosuly it was a delaying tactic. I just returned the thing.

Re:HP, Compaq + ATI = worst support ever (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716599)

Concur. Terrible, terrible tech support. I almost get the feeling that HP management treats the laptops like they are disposable -- once purchased, it's the consumers problem. And if it blows up, buy another.

My experience with dell has been somewhat better. The machine has had some problems (keyboards that wear out, screens that die) but dell always stands behind their machines. My Dell is 4 years old, they are still releasing bios upgrades for it. That says a lot.

Re:HP, Compaq + ATI = worst support ever (1)

geeveees (690232) | about 11 years ago | (#6716627)

Also add Packard Bell to that list, I have a PB iGo that uses a Radeon IGP320, parent is correct, DRI does *not* work with the Radeon driver from the kernel sources.

Re:HP, Compaq + ATI = worst support ever (1)

GigsVT (208848) | about 11 years ago | (#6716773)

Wow, they still make computers?

I think it's a given that Packard Bell sucks, in any case. :)

Re:HP, Compaq + ATI = worst support ever (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716656)

"These -do not- work with the radeon 3d driver. To repeat: if you buy these laptops, you'll only get 3d support under windows. There is -no- 3d support under linux."

This sentence - contains hyphens - for no good reason.

To repeat: i'm using a permanent messaging system, where you can read the information as many times as you like, so there's no need to repeat anything. I repeat, there's no need to repeat anything.

Over.

PCMCIA.... what a pain... (3, Insightful)

winstarman (624536) | about 11 years ago | (#6716377)

I've found that PCMCIA is always a pain when it comes to laptop linux installs... anyone know of any really good resources on this?

R-

Re:PCMCIA.... what a pain... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716682)

"I've found that PCMCIA is always a pain when it comes to laptop linux installs."

Hehe..and USB. But you can use mice on Linux, right? I need to use a mouse, even if I have to wait a couple of years to use check external cd writers, scanners etc.

Re:PCMCIA.... what a pain... (3, Informative)

uberslack (5984) | about 11 years ago | (#6716740)

I installed Slackware [slackware.org] on my Dell laptop, and I didn't have any problems at all with PCMCIA support.

Centrino WLAN (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716380)

Centrino seems to be losing its appeal to Linux users.

You pay a premium price, there is no driver for the integrated 802.11b device and seperate 54 Mbps 802.11g devices are plentily available nowadays...

Re:Centrino WLAN (0)

m1chael (636773) | about 11 years ago | (#6716457)

i dont know why integrated wlan right now would appeal to anyone, since it wont be awhile since there will be traction in the wireless standards department.

Centrino Support - Intel says NEVER (4, Interesting)

CrudPuppy (33870) | about 11 years ago | (#6716622)

I got a formal response back from Intel to my inquiry about the availability of Centrino and they said they will not be releasing drivers - EVER.

The article seems to imply that this will happen by saying Intel hasnt released them "yet", so I wanted to clear this up.

In response to the post just above mine, who wondered what the appeal of integrated wlan was: this thing is a cool drink of water compared to the good old days of dongles, and even compared to the current days of wireless cards sticking an inch out of the side of the notebook begging to be broken off.

I had just assumed that drivers would just be a matter of time, as I bought my Dell "Centrino" just about 2 weeks after the debut. works great in windows =/

Re:Centrino Support - Intel says NEVER (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716793)

feel free to post it. you may have noticed there are a lot of "misguided" people who would like to see this.

Re:Centrino WLAN (4, Informative)

Yue (125988) | about 11 years ago | (#6716528)

Centrino seems to be losing its appeal to Linux users.

If you care, there is a "Intel Support of Centrino Under Linux Petition" here:
http://www.petitiononline.com/xanthan/petition.htm l
Please go sign it.

Re:Centrino WLAN (1)

Quantum Skyline (600872) | about 11 years ago | (#6716594)

seperate 54 Mbps 802.11g devices are plentily available nowadays...

Yeah, for Windows. Most if not all 54g cards are on Broadcom's chipsets, which have no Linux drivers.

right tool for the job (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716387)

I don't mean this to be flame bait but... If you need *nix on a laptop, go buy a power/ibook and fink the tools you need.

Re:right tool for the job (1)

digitalunity (19107) | about 11 years ago | (#6716430)

PC laptops are nice for a lot of reasons. Not the least of which is commodity hardware and compatible software. There are also some who are forced to use the laptop they have because they have VMWare and have to run x86 binaries for work. There are always complications. Sometimes, it's not a choice.

Re:right tool for the job (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716465)

I know what you mean, I have to use a compaq M700 in my job and debian but it's dam hard work getting everything setup correctly. (fast X, hibernating/resuming, many many other gripes)

However, I am currently sat in Trent Bridge cricket ground, watch england get another thrashing (112-7). Using my powerbook & GPRS phone, coding for x86 hardware, browsing and IM family, all with no settup headaches other than learning the differences between linux and bsd.

best 2000 i ever spent (just don't tell the wife :)

Re:right tool for the job (1)

__past__ (542467) | about 11 years ago | (#6716579)

Bah! Of course, a real Unix geek would use nothing but one of these [tadpolecomputer.com] babies!

Why (1)

BoomerSooner (308737) | about 11 years ago | (#6716863)

You just like paying 5x as much for a 650MHz UltraSPARC.

Ever wonder why you have to email them for a quote? Because they are extremely over priced.

PowerPC 970 Apple Powerbook. That's what I'm waiting for. Until then I'll stick with what I've got (12" 900MHz iBook, 1.13GHz PIII Inspiron) and be happy.

Linux on Dell Inspiron 2650 (1)

goldspider (445116) | about 11 years ago | (#6716389)

Mandrake 9.1 was very cooperative with my laptop, but I understand (from usenet and personal experience) that they have a problem running the latest NVIDIA drivers.

Using an older version of the driver (sorry, I don't remember which one) worked. It's not perfect, but they do the job.

Just an FYI for anyone else who may be experiencing similar problems with their Dell.

Re:Linux on Dell Inspiron 2650 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716455)

A stock Slackware 9.0 install plus NVidia driver version 1.0-3123 work nicely on my Inspiron 2650. Linux ACPI is still in development, so you won't get sleep or suspend. Everything else works pretty much as I want.

A word about refurbished Dells: not everybody has bad luck. This one came with a P4 1.8GHz + 256MB + 32MB GeForce 2, cost under $1000 out of Dell's refurbished stock, and works awesome. Runs Vice City passably as well.

Re:Linux on Dell Inspiron 2650 (2, Informative)

pe1chl (90186) | about 11 years ago | (#6716544)

The 2650 was about the last in the Inspiron series that was a nice machine. You are lucky.

The newer models cannot even run Windows 2000!
Dell is becoming a Windows-XP-only shop, probably under pressure from Microsoft.

Re:Linux on Dell Inspiron 2650 (1)

Anonymous DWord (466154) | about 11 years ago | (#6716718)

I have Gentoo on a 2650. Pretty painless install, and it's dual-booting with XP (although that's rarely hit). I think the only thing not working fully is the ACPI, which I still have to screw around with.

For 600 bucks including tax and shipping though, I have no complaints.

Re:Linux on Dell Inspiron 2650 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716867)

I've got Mandrake 9.1 running on the Inspiron 8100
with the NVIDIA driver version 4363. Seems to work
ok except for s2r.

Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716391)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

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Re:Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

anonymous coword (615639) | about 11 years ago | (#6716453)

Yes. I love you too. Please install Debian linux in your mare's swirly hole.

Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716392)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716394)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716395)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716396)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716397)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716398)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716399)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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9 am and nobody around! (-1, Offtopic)

kgarcia (93122) | about 11 years ago | (#6716400)

Wow! Lot's of slashdotters online Sunday Morning at 9:00 am!
I think I should count my luck, and make a funny reference to the article... wait, this is /. ... I didn't RTFA...

Maybe I should make a beowolf cluster... n/m

Or perhaps I should point out That Laptop manufactureres need a new 3. Profit! model...

Or, I know! My mother is a laptop you insensitive clod... no, that doesn't work either

I give up!

we need new jokes.

Yeah, I HAVE been up all friggin' night...

*shrugs

Re:9 am and nobody around! (-1, Offtopic)

digitalunity (19107) | about 11 years ago | (#6716440)

I just worked 12.25 hours straight.

And I have to go to my other job, for another six hours.

PS: It's six AM. Not nine.

Yes, the world does revolve around my timezone.

Shut up.

Need coffee... Must smoke...

ahh....

much better.

Re:9 am and nobody around! (1)

kgarcia (93122) | about 11 years ago | (#6716691)

Oh god do I hear you. I've been up since yesterday 3:00 pm (that was a nap, not a full sleep), and I got a full day of work... eep!

must... get.... coffee....

and no, it IS 11:00 am now... ;)

Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716401)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716402)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716403)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716404)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716405)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716406)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716407)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716408)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716409)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716410)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716411)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716412)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716413)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716414)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716415)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716416)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716417)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716418)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716419)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716420)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716421)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716422)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716423)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716424)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716425)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716426)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716427)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716428)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

Turbo Glass

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Poul-Henning Kamp ruined FreeBSD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716429)

Poul-Henning, asshole extraordinaire, has managed to ruin FreeBSD with his new GEOM and devd ego trips, that will silenty rot, while he doesn't let anyone else touch them. FUCK YOU POUL. Long live to DragonFlyBSD [dragonflybsd.org] !

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Knoppix (3, Informative)

anonymous coword (615639) | about 11 years ago | (#6716442)

Isthe only distro that dectects my laptop's hardware very well. SuSE and RedHat Severn work good as well, but I'm still waiting for Drivers for the ATI 3D RAGE mobility card on it. My laptop is a SONY VAIO PCGFX-401, it somehow "convenitently" had a spare 6 GB partition where I installed Linux on.

My Experience (2, Interesting)

JamesP (688957) | about 11 years ago | (#6716471)

I am using my laptop to type this. It has Linux installed.

The worse problem: video. But after downloading the driver everything worked fine (Via TwisterK)

Network - no problem
Sound Card - no problem

Now, not everybody gets lucky. I had a friend who took some weeks and several distros to get his LCD panel to work... Video Card - Mobility Radeon

The funniest thing is that he payed 50000 more than I did...

Re:My Experience (1)

BrainInAJar (584756) | about 11 years ago | (#6716488)

the last notebook i bought (had to replace the harddrive because i... um... well, cut the crap i shook it while it was on) was a Toshiba Tecra 8000. Awesome linux support on it... no problems with anything except sound, and that's just because it's on the isa bus, and it's not PnP

Re:My Experience (1)

digitalunity (19107) | about 11 years ago | (#6716497)

Two questions:

1) Did you run out of hard drive space for your spell checker?

2) 50000, more? Are these yen or pesos?

Re:My Experience (1)

JamesP (688957) | about 11 years ago | (#6716539)

That would be 500 Euros (500E00 with the proper symbol turned into 50000)

Corporate America - Hate it or Lo^H^H hate it (0, Offtopic)

Pope Raymond Lama (57277) | about 11 years ago | (#6716475)

Hmmm...Trademark trouble because of the sound alike of "Mobilix" and "Obelix".

I know. And now, they are quite certain that the "Oldsmobil" trademark
detentor will just let they walk away with "Tuxmobil".

I am afraid that every new name, or domain one whishes to use in the near future will have to be 12 charcters long, with at least 2 digits, and randomly generated.

IPv6 (2, Insightful)

axxackall (579006) | about 11 years ago | (#6716543)

I am afraid that every new name, or domain one whishes to use in the near future will have to be 12 charcters long, with at least 2 digits, and randomly generated.

Why randomly? Just use one of your corporate IPv6 address and you are fine for at least one more centure.

That's why I got a powerbook (3, Interesting)

curious.corn (167387) | about 11 years ago | (#6716479)

When time for an upgrade came I thought: screw games, I'll go with whatever I get for mac if any. I want it mobile, no more desktops, basta. Should I spend > 1500 for a machine and still have to boot MS to get what I paid for? Should I struggle with poorly designed hardware strung together by a hideous bunch of hackish miniport drivers? Shall I risk frying my expensive HW because linux can't help but drop the towel because of some manufacturer's poorly standardized, buggy bios implementation of ACPI? No.
So I held my breath and bought an Apple. I miss linux though. ;-)

Re:That's why I got a powerbook (5, Informative)

Chuck Bucket (142633) | about 11 years ago | (#6716517)

I bought an iBook and threw Gentoo on it. For what I need, admining servers at work, life, wireless, great battery samba access, gnome2, nothing beats it. Also I can run mol (mac on linux) if I need to access the OS X side. The best of both worlds if you ask me.

CB

iBook is teh bomb! (3, Informative)

Genady (27988) | about 11 years ago | (#6716542)

I bought my first iBook in the fall of '01, and am now on my second. OS X + iBook = bliss. Occasionally I'll look at Sony's newest bit of eye candy and start to drool, then I tell myself that my os choises are Linux or XP and I get over it. Seriously Linux is good, but OS X is just better. I haven't had to hand edit a system file since 10.2, I'm hardly ever in Terminal anymore. Now if they could just put vi command mode in Hydra I'd be a happy camper.

Re:That's why I got a powerbook (1)

volsung (378) | about 11 years ago | (#6716713)

You don't have to pick. I bought an iBook last fall and split the drive between OS X and Mandrake 9.1 PPC. Now I can switch between whichever is better for the task at hand. Throw Virtual PC for Mac into the mix, and now you have a laptop which can run OS X, x86 operating systems, and Linux. :)

Miss Linux no longer (2, Informative)

Johnny Mnemonic (176043) | about 11 years ago | (#6716761)


Linux is surely available for Macintosh hardware. Yellow Dog Linux [yellowdoglinux.com] , from Terrasoft [terrasoftsolutions.com] , is a port of Red Hat specifically designed for the Apple line of hardware.

In fact, you can purchase Apple gear directly from TerraSoft with a dual boot of OS X and YDL at no extra charge, and maintain the original Apple warranty.

I haven't used YDL myself, since I'm happy with the terminal in OS X--but my understanding is that, since, like Apple, they only have to support a specific line of computer hardware, that everything that comes with an Apple machine works out of the box, ie the modem, FireWire, etc.

Laptop users should wait for linux 2.6 (-1, Troll)

anonymous coword (615639) | about 11 years ago | (#6716486)

The laptop support in 2.6 is incredible. They have rewlitten the carbus (PMCIA) layer to support more decives and have Improved the power management support. KDE 3.2 will also have a laptop compatibility layer to support all the obscure hardware on it. So if you want to use laptops, use linux 2.6 when it cums out.

Thinkpads (4, Informative)

joel8x (324102) | about 11 years ago | (#6716531)

I just installed Mandrake 9.1 on a T20 without a hitch. Once you peel of the "designed for Windows" sticker on the case, you have a laptop completely free of Microsoft since there is no Windows key on the keyboard!

Re:Thinkpads (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716866)

No, you don't have "a laptop completely free of Microsoft," you have a laptop for which a small payment was sent to Redmond to help make the world completely free of Linux. Why? Because when IBM produced a Linux laptop free of Microsoft tax, nobody bought it and they discontinued it and disbanded the division that added so much value to it. And because now that Sharp has put Linux on Zaurus SL-C750 and Zaurus SL-C760, Slashdot posters whine about how they're too expensive.

Any inconveniences Slashdot posters suffer with Linux on laptops are because they just won't buy a machine that pays no Microsoft tax.

The real problem is the hardware vendors... (3, Interesting)

jonwil (467024) | about 11 years ago | (#6716536)

The "cheap" laptops tend to include bargain basement software modems, integrated lower-end video chipsets and the like.

Software modems are always going to be a problem, one alternative there is to simply get a PC card modem that linux supports.

Graphics chipsets for example are also going to be a problem simply because even though there may be good linux support for desktop chipsets/cards like the GeForce4MX 440 (which is what I have), getting the manufacturers to support the laptop and "integrated" chipsets is harder.

Although there is an answer to the whole display drivers issue. Move to a 3-part driver. Part 1 would be like the miniport driver on windows and would contain all the actual low-level driver support. This bit would reside in the kernel and would ideally be Open Source or at the very least have "open glue code" like the current NVIDIA drviers do. This part would also include enough to get text mode going properly.
Part 2 would be like the DDI driver on windows and would convert the data from x-windows, svgalib or whatever else into the cards native format. This could sit in userland space and wouldnt be loaded until a graphical app was loaded. It would talk to the kernel portion via a special call that would enable 2-way communication between both halves in a way that is driver-specific but at the same time independant from changes to the kernel.
Part 3 would then be the 3d portion of the driver and would be written to work specificly with OpenGL.

Be careful when you choose your 802.11g card (4, Informative)

localghost (659616) | about 11 years ago | (#6716545)

Linksys 802.11g cards [linksys.com] (and the new version of their 802.11b PCI card [linksys.com] ) don't work in linux. The chipset manufaturer, Broadcom [broadcom.com] , is holding back specifications on the card. If you want 802.11g in linux, the best solution is the D-Link card [dlink.com] , or the Netgear one [netgear.com] . Both use the Intersil [intersil.com] Prism GT chipset. Intersil is very open about their design, and supports the development of open source drivers for Linux and other operating systems. Even if Broadcom were to open up, Intersil is more likely the company you would be wanting to give money to.

Still, drivers for the Broadcom chipset would be nice, so take a minute to sign the petition [petitiononline.com] .

Re:Be careful when you choose your 802.11g card (1)

KingJoshi (615691) | about 11 years ago | (#6716807)

Yup. That's one of the reasons I'm running XP on my Dell Inspiron 4150. I upgraded from a Dell TrueMobile 1150 to an 1180 to find out the 1150 is supported but the 1180 isn't! D'oh! Redhat 9 also had problems with power management and would stall when I closed the screen.

XP works smoothly. Only times I've had stability problems were when I updated the ATI drivers and they were bad, so I rolled back and no problems since (9 months).

Don't get me started on my problems with Linux on Desktop. All Redhat 9, Mandrake 9.1, Suse 8.2 and Debian Woody gave me tons of trouble. I love Linux and OSS. And I still use it on my desktop from time to time. And I'm a computer geek, so I'll keep messing with it. But *when* I get money, my next computer (laptop or desktop) will be a Mac. But I'm starting to believe that "it just works" is worth the money in saved time and hassle.

why does this matter? (-1, Troll)

hype7 (239530) | about 11 years ago | (#6716586)

this is /., so more than likely I'm going to get modded down for this.

one of the biggest plusses linux has got going for it is that it is free. this substantially reduces the cost of putting it on a machine - especially when couple with a DIY roll-it-yourself desktop.

I don't know how many people have tried assembling their own laptops. Not many, I'd venture. So, more than likely, you're going to have to buy one. As a general rule of thumb, they're not cheap - nowhere near ballpark for a cheap PC.

So the only reason I can think of to use Linux on a laptop (once you eliminate the value factor) is because it's *nix, or maybe just because it's not MS.

And when that becomes your primary motivation, why on earth would you look anywhere else other than Apple to get a laptop? These are the sleekest laptops out there - they're running an OS based on *nix and it's not MS to boot. There's hardware-software integration the likes of which would send this "scorecard" through the roof. And the hardware is just phenomenal - the new Powerbooks are some of the best laptops you can buy; the screens rock, Airport Extreme, great battery life, Firewire 800, bluetooth built in.

I guess this is why Apple portable machines are turning up at all the Linux conferences (and the traditional Linux markets, like Bioinfomatics and Java programmers). So - begs the question - what relevance does the Linux on laptops scorecard have?

-- james

Re:why does this matter? (1)

Cnik70 (571147) | about 11 years ago | (#6716638)

Linux on laptops is VERY relevant when you are on the road and in need of a portable PC. Personally I do not want to drag a desktop with me to set up in every motel room, and at the same time I also want to work on the same platform that I do all of my other work on.

Possible to buy OEM laptops? (1)

Martin Blank (154261) | about 11 years ago | (#6716637)

I notice that a number of the laptop manufacturers have product listings on their websites, but do any of them make their products available more or less directly, rather than having to go through Dell or Sony? I seem to remember someone at a LAN party a few years back showing up with something that looked a lot like a Dell Inspiron, but it had no major name badging anywhere, and he said that it was an OEM laptop.

One small one I know of.... (1)

MadAnthony02 (626886) | about 11 years ago | (#6716796)

The much-hyped Alienware laptops are actually made by a compny (can't remember the name) that are also sold as Sager's for much less, and the Sager's can be bought without an OS. However, they don't come in fruity colors like the Alienware.

Sager laptop [pctorque.com]

Alienware [alienware.com]

Cnet user reviews [cnet.com] (an funny mix of people pointing out that you can get the Sager for cheaper, and Alienware fans who can't seem to understand that)

Simple Question: (1)

Omicron32 (646469) | about 11 years ago | (#6716644)

I want a laptop to run Linux on, what is the best sub-400 (about $640) laptop to run Linux on?

Averatec (2, Informative)

mAineAc (580334) | about 11 years ago | (#6716661)

I bought an averatec laptop and got everything working great on it including 3d acceleration. I bought the laptop at best buy for $549. I was worried about it at first because of it being so cheap.

Dell 600m and Linux (3, Interesting)

Kewjoe (307612) | about 11 years ago | (#6716717)

This Guy [guilds.net] has an interesting writeup of how he got his Dell 600m to work in linux.

I have the same laptop, but im running Win XP Pro for now.

Linux on Laptops (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6716727)

If we really want Linux on laptops, now is the time to make our wishes ( and buying power ) known. It is well known that IBM is promoting Linux, but on its own terms, where the can get the most bang-profit-market share for the investment. The Linux community should let IBM know that it can ONLY expect our support if IBM supports Linux on ALL its products ( hardware and software ). After all HP is starting to cosy up to Linux ( and maybe even Dell ). If I can get a legacy ( M$ ) free, fully supported, laptop with my favorite distro pre installed from HP, I'm more likely to recommend their servers and desktops for our company. I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine.

Recomendations (3, Interesting)

WindBourne (631190) | about 11 years ago | (#6716852)

I wish that they would come out with recomendations for what to buy and not to buy. linuxprinting did that and it made it easy to decide what not to buy ( no canon, or lexmark home for me ). I also noticed that support got better on other printers.

Laptop Linux distribution (5, Interesting)

pfavr (108500) | about 11 years ago | (#6716858)

How about a dedicated laptop linux distribution? So you don't have to choose all the individual drivers for the various hardware of you notebook. Instead you would just choose the manufacturer and model e.g. "Acer Travelmate 340T" and everything would be set.

What do you think?
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