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Home Biomass Power Generators

michael posted about 11 years ago | from the not-just-for-compost-any-more dept.

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TLouden writes "The Rocky Mountain News had an article today about Community Power Corp. and its new BioMax unit which uses renewable resources such as corncobs, sawdust pellets, and coconut shells to produce electricity. This gasifier unit isn't commercially available yet but we might be seeing it sometime in 2004."

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Always a catch. (4, Funny)

Torgo's Pizza (547926) | about 11 years ago | (#6728627)

Coconut shells? Darn. Too bad that in North America we don't have enough African Swallows to supply them.

Re:Always a catch. (4, Funny)

Unregistered (584479) | about 11 years ago | (#6728979)

maybe 2 European swallows carried it

Sounds like.. (4, Funny)

erpbridge (64037) | about 11 years ago | (#6728634)

Yes, I think it might be...

Mr Fusion!!! [bttf.com]

Re:Sounds like.. (1)

marko123 (131635) | about 11 years ago | (#6728975)

To make more sense, you might like to show them the rest of the bike [bttf.com]

Re:Sounds like.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6729001)

Interface looks the same, but as for function only if F-u-s-i-o-n is spelled like m-o-z and both will be ready ( low beta ) in 2004 or realsoonnow ... hehe

Corncobs? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728636)

Corncobs eh? Will there be a kernel patch to support this type of power?

Re:Corncobs? (1)

Gherald (682277) | about 11 years ago | (#6728747)

> Will there be a kernel patch to support this type of power?

Yes, but you'll want to load it as a module because corncobs aren't allways in season.

Re:Corncobs? (1)

marko123 (131635) | about 11 years ago | (#6729002)

Patch Installed [phreshness.com]

Wait a minute. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728637)

I already have a home biomass generator. Oh, you mean a home biomass power generator....

Ahhhh (1)

SuperBanana (662181) | about 11 years ago | (#6728841)

I already have a home biomass generator. Oh, you mean a home biomass power generator....

Yeah, but who wants power, when you can get screaming, shrieking, temper tantrums, insane financial draining capabilities, scary girl/boyfriends, rebellion...?

Hello, McFly? (1, Redundant)

mopslik (688435) | about 11 years ago | (#6728645)

...corncobs, sawdust pellets, and coconut shells to produce electricity...

Prior Art? [20m.com]

Practical? (2, Insightful)

The Eye of the Behol (678699) | about 11 years ago | (#6728648)

It may be clean and efficient, but is it practical? Will it provide enough energy to fuel America, and will we be able to produce enough matter to fuel it?

Re:Practical? (2, Offtopic)

Gherald (682277) | about 11 years ago | (#6728685)

> Will it provide enough energy to fuel America, and will we be able to produce enough matter to fuel it?

Nothing so grandiose. Its for people really paranoid about blackouts who just can't survive for more than a day without a microwave and dishwasher.

Re:Practical? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728857)

somebody missed the point entirely. please don't breed, moron.

Re:Practical? (-1, Insightful)

Frymaster (171343) | about 11 years ago | (#6728698)

It may be clean and efficient, but is it practical?

whoa! efficient maybe, but clean? read the section of the article below:

So how does Community Power's BioMax work? In one end you pour a sack of wood chips, nut shells or pellets (considered the optimal fuel because they are small and dense) into an oxygen-starved tank- shaped gasifier, which heats the solid fuel until it forms a combustible gas (up to 800 degrees Celsius, or 1,472 degrees Fahrenheit).

they're talking about ch4 - aka methane (please, leave the roadwarrior jokes for later). when it comes to climate change this is a Bad Thing. burn oil and you get yr carbon as c02 which is a greenhouse gas... but molecule for molecule, methan is way worse than co2. don't trust me, trust the epa:

Methane traps over 21 times more heat per molecule than carbon dioxide
the epa from this site [epa.gov]

this is not about the environment. it's about energy self-sufficiency and the whole middle-easter instability thang. read the article, 9/11 comes up every third paragraph.

now. where are my damn solar panels?

Re:Practical? (5, Informative)

bobbozzo (622815) | about 11 years ago | (#6728737)

Dude, you're talking about methane emissions (surplus methane generated by other processes).

This would be BURNING the methane, which would produce CO2 and H20, similar to burning natural gas.

I have never heard that burning methane is any worse than burning any other carbon-based fuel.

Re:Practical? (1)

Gherald (682277) | about 11 years ago | (#6728759)

You are correct, bobbozzo. Isn't it funny how people get modded +4 or 5 insightful for making bogus claims?

Re:Practical? (5, Informative)

rgmoore (133276) | about 11 years ago | (#6728869)

Not only that, but biomass is essentially a closed cycle. All of the CO2 that you're generating is coming from plants that recently took that same CO2 out of the air, so there's no net addition of greenhouse gasses. This is a direct contrast to fossil fuels, where the carbon was previously buried in the ground for millions of years.

Re:Practical? (2, Insightful)

ed333 (684843) | about 11 years ago | (#6728758)

So how much energy does it take to heat 60 pounds of wood chips to 800 C? What kind of efficiency can this thing possibly have?

Re:Practical? (1)

Gherald (682277) | about 11 years ago | (#6728773)

> What kind of efficiency can this thing possibly have?

Well according to the article 60 pounds of wood chips is turned into 20 kilowatt-hours of energy, which is enough to run an average home for about a day.

Re:Practical? (2, Interesting)

benjamindees (441808) | about 11 years ago | (#6728814)

The gasifier, along with the engine's coolant and exhaust, produces thermal energy, which can be used to heat water or dry grain.

This is a cogeneration unit that uses the excess thermal energy to heat your home or whatever. Such systems can be very efficient when designed as heaters, with the side benefit of producing electricity.

All we need now is a residential ammonia-absorption cooling system so that it can be used in the summer as well.

Re:Practical? (1)

lucifer_666 (662754) | about 11 years ago | (#6728763)

it's about energy self-sufficiency and the whole middle-easter instability thang.
middle-easter.... hehehehe :-)

Re:Practical? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728849)

Oh yes. All those leftover chocolate bunnies are one of the free world's primary sources of (caloric) energy...

Re:Practical?-OH S***T! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728742)

"It may be clean and efficient, but is it practical? Will it provide enough energy to fuel America, and will we be able to produce enough matter to fuel it?"

I bet all the people who said America's going down the crapper, didn't see this one coming?

Re:Practical?-OH S***T! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728831)

> all the people who said America's going down the crapper, didn't see this one coming

You mean it can burn cow chips as well?

Just like the good ol' days...

(Uncomfortable pause. I wonder if anyone here has actually read Little House on the Praire...?)

Re:Practical? (-1, Flamebait)

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Re: (1)

Corporal Tunnel (642897) | about 11 years ago | (#6728649)

I have a much more fun way of generating bio-mass heat without polluting.

Re: (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728709)

Then this machine is perfect for you. It can use that bio-mass to create electrical power, unlocking your true potential!

Will it? (5, Funny)

insecuritiez (606865) | about 11 years ago | (#6728652)

Burn AOL CDs or will we have to wait for the upgraded toxic waste burning model?

Sooner then later (5, Insightful)

mao che minh (611166) | about 11 years ago | (#6728662)

This is probably where things are going (albeit in the distant future). Most of our power comes from sources that aren't feasibly replenishable, such as coal and oil. There aren't a whole lot of huge waterfalls around or places to build dams, so hydro-electric plants aren't going to solve the problem. Solar power is a way to go, but it is rather expensive. Wind power is always uncertain.

In short, natural sources of energy aren't enough. We will have to start getting creative soon.

Nuclear (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728749)

Once the coal, oil and natural gas are depleted we will either have to give up most of our electrical devices or build lots of new nuclear plants most likely using PBR's. France already has 60 of them.

Re:Nuclear (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728972)

The sooner we start building nuclear power plaNTS the better. We need to save our Oil and Coal for other uses than making electricity.
I am suprized that the parent and this post haven't been modded -1 YET. Just wait till all the enviro wackos get posint you will be modd so for clear thinking and not giving into their chicken little fantasies and one world goverment agenda.

posting AC so I don't get a permante -1 attached to myself.

Re:Sooner then later (1, Insightful)

sllim (95682) | about 11 years ago | (#6728757)

You are a sucker.
There is an enormous amount of Oil waiting to be dug up. Hell, the US is sitting on an amount that could keep us independent for quite some time.

In fact, there is some speculation that we may be wrong about how oil is made. There have been some observations made in the ocean oil feilds that suggest old and used up oil reserves are somehow being replenished.

It isn't that I (or anyone else for that matter) is against different forms of energy.
Oh sure, the liberals like to paint us like that, but it just isn't the case.
It is that we are kind of in a 'The Devil you do know is better then the devil you don't know' mentality.

Solar, Wind Power, Garbage Power (try saying that with a straight face), hydro-power, hell even nuclear power; we just don't know nearly as much about these forms of energy as we know about Oil, Gas and Coal.
And that is where I get worried. We have all these people just screaming there foolish heads off that we are in some sort of crisis. Truth is, we are not in any sort of crisis. You enviromentalist nuts out there have created an unintended safety for us. Because you are so stubornly against us drilling for oil in the US our country is in a position where the oil fields of the world could dry up, or OPEC, Russia, South America and Iraq could decide to stop selling to us and we would be able to pump our own oil on our own soil and be fine!

I say we should sit tight and allow technologies to improve. Let's learn about all the nasty effects of these alternate sources of energies.
Lets get them to where they are equal in the efficeincy of Oil, Gas and Coal and then we can allow the market to absorb the newer forms of energy production.

No need to panic.

Well now that I am done that, it is time for some bonehead that isn't capable of considering an opposing viewpoint to moderate me 'troll' or 'flamebait' status.
What if the children hear what I have to say?

Re:Sooner then later (5, Insightful)

DakotaSandstone (638375) | about 11 years ago | (#6728938)

Could we keep using oil forever? Sure. Heck, even if we ran out of traditional oil, there'd be almost limitless oil shale [wikipedia.org] deposits. We'd just need to get an economy of scale going to make them cost effective.

But should we continue using oil, coal, etc? When we have purple air quality days in cities where it's unsafe even for olympic atheletes to exert outdoors? I sincerely hope you aren't so blind to the effects oil and gas consumption have on our air that you have never noticed how the air sometimes turns yellow in some cities??

"Not in some sort of crisis?" I suppose next you'll tell me fresh drinking water isn't a big 21st century issue, since "I can obviously just go turn on the tap and get clean water."

Open your eyes. It's a big world out there.

Re:Sooner then later (1)

kilgore_47 (262118) | about 11 years ago | (#6728959)

I say we should sit tight and allow technologies to improve. Let's learn about all the nasty effects of these alternate sources of energies.

Please, go on, tell us what kind of "nasty effects" wind and solar power have in store . . .

(I know, I know, IHBT :)

Re:Sooner then later (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6729014)

"tell us what kind of "nasty effects" wind and solar power have in store . ."

They consume 2x as much energy(produced from coal most likely) to build as they ever produce in a decade. Solar cells also require toxic chemicals to build which then have to be stored in barrels underground for 10,000 years.

I think its the decentralization thats the kicker (3, Insightful)

mary_will_grow (466638) | about 11 years ago | (#6728981)

I, for one, think that this is a GREAT idea because it helps decentralize energy production. That way we dont have a few people feeding ALL INDUSTRY, getting BUHZILLIONS of dollars, and the totally obscene amount of influence such money grants you.
Then, we wont have our country's policy being written by people who have been hammered by lobbies representing people with endlessly deep pockets.
Of course you can pick flaws in this. Maybe the corn co-ops will become the next big bastard. Whatever. If you think people becoming empowered to power their homes themselves is a Bad idea, you are on crack.

Re:I think its the decentralization thats the kick (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6729033)

The problem is economies of scale. A giant plant producing energy for a whole city is probably 10x more efficient then a biomass generator in someones shed. This means that if energy production is limited to this small units we will need 10x as many resources to burn to produce our energy.

Re:Sooner then later (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6729012)

It isn't that I (or anyone else for that matter) is against different forms of energy.

no, just against good grammar :)

Re:Sooner then later (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728771)

Actually Solar power at the moment is a waste of energy. It takes about 15years for a solar cell to reach the break even point; where the energy it cost to make the solar cell equals the energy it produced. That doesn't mean you can't make energy from it in the meantime, but does mean your solar cell was subsadised by some other electrical generation system.

Also there's a butt load of coal on this planet, but most people wouldn't really want to live in a world that's been powered by only coal for a few generations. At least a quarter of the energy in the US is produced by coal. (BP has the official numbers for the curious ~ 570million tones of oil equivalent from coal, and a total consumption of around 2,350)

As for wind power it is always left up to weather, but more than that it tends to have a destructive effect on the rest of the power grid. You can look up on google why a lot of the wind farms are paid by power companies to keep broken wind generators off (the law only requires that you so many built, but doesn't require that they be operational).

Re:Sooner then later (5, Informative)

heli0 (659560) | about 11 years ago | (#6728956)

"at least a quarter of the energy in the US is produced by coal"

Actually it is over 50%.

Total Electric Power Industry Summary Statistics [doe.gov]

Energy Production (Thousand MWh)
All Energy Sources: 303,091
Coal: 154,690

Could we feed this puppy hemp? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728782)

Is hemp woody enough? It grows like a... well... a weed, one might say.

CosmoFurthur

Sooner then later-Waste-ful reading. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728785)

"In short, natural sources of energy aren't enough. We will have to start getting creative soon."

Junk Mail.

Re:Sooner then later (-1, Offtopic)

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Re:Sooner then later (3, Interesting)

jtroutman (121577) | about 11 years ago | (#6728835)

Conversions of solar power to electricity through photovoltaic cells is quite expensive.
One company, Energy Innovations [energyinnovations.com] , has an interesting new approach using a Stirling engine and solar mirrors. This could prove to be a cheap way to bring solar energy directly to your home. As long as certain engineers don't start getting mysteriously shot in the head that is.

Re:Sooner then later (1)

ncc74656 (45571) | about 11 years ago | (#6728945)

One company,
Energy Innovations [energyinnovations.com] , has an interesting new approach using a Stirling engine and solar mirrors.

UNLV has similar solar-power rigs at the far northern edge of campus. This page [unlv.edu] has more info, and some pictures...they're two different designs from different companies and can supply up to about 50 kW for the pair. Some solar A/C info and other stuff is further down the page as well.

In other news (-1, Flamebait)

Gothmolly (148874) | about 11 years ago | (#6728885)

The Sky is falling.

Creative soon.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728908)

Yea conventional nuclear power is good and well understood. Too bad the anti nuclear propaganda that isn't based on science or reality but chicken little crap will never all the US to be energy self sufficent.
But that is exactly what enviromental exremeists don't want a energy self sufficent US. If it wasn't they would not poohpooh very promising idea or sue any attempt at any new power generating implementation into oblivion. Enviromentalists don't want you energy self sufficent. I wouldn't call anything that consumes 60 lbs of wood chips per day enviromentally friendly btw. The by-products of combustion are going to foul the air.

Mirror (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728667)

Just in case the sites are slow, here are mirrors for link 1 [martin-studio.com] and link 2 [martin-studio.com] .

I'm waiting for the day (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728669)

when they create a home power generator which can run with fecal matter.

Re:I'm waiting for the day (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728732)

I think you mean a homo power generator

Re:I'm waiting for the day (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728948)

Troll? Oh please, imagine the day when you don't have to run expensive water treatment plants at as high a capacity as they run now, imagine a day when you get more from your food. The human body does not extract 100% of the potential energy out of input, generating power using fecal matter is a step closer to maximizing efficieny. Shesh troll my ass :rolleyes:

Take the red pill... (0, Offtopic)

cloudless.net (629916) | about 11 years ago | (#6728680)

... and realize you are the battery.

Sounds familiar... (0, Redundant)

Corporal Tunnel (642897) | about 11 years ago | (#6728683)

Give him wood chips, coconut husks, corncobs, even chicken litter, and Robb Walt will turn it into electricity and heat

Wood chips, schmood chips. Humans are the way to go.

The human body generates more bio-electricity than a 120-volt battery and over 25,000 BTUs of body-heat. Combined with a form of fusion, BioMax would have found all the energy they would ever need!

Great for... (5, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | about 11 years ago | (#6728692)


Great for disposing of bodies, too.

Re:Great for... (2, Funny)

heli0 (659560) | about 11 years ago | (#6728766)

Maybe that is why they have 300 pre-orders in New Jersey?

Re:Great for... (3, Funny)

kfg (145172) | about 11 years ago | (#6728822)

No, no. First you feed the bodies to the pigs. Then you collect the excrement for fertilizer for your corn. Then you eat the corn and use to cobs to generate electricity. Then you roast the pigs in your electric oven. If you don't roast the pigs properly you then have a fresh supply of bodies to feed to the remaining pigs.

It's the food chain/carbon cycle gone horribly awry.

KFG

Re:Great for... (1)

WoTG (610710) | about 11 years ago | (#6729013)

Ouch... sorry, not really funny for folks from BC. I couldn't help but think about the charges laid against Robert Pickton. A local farmer (including a few pigs) who is accused of killing several prostitutes from Vancouver. A reference [www.cbc.ca] for the interested.

Distributed Energy (5, Informative)

heli0 (659560) | about 11 years ago | (#6728693)

The California Energy Commission has some info on different types of distributed energy resources [ca.gov] from solar/wind/fuelcells to good ole ICE and turbines; listing their fuel sources, efficiency, environmental hazards, production capabilities and current availability; along with best applications, costs, performance, strengths & weaknesses, future developments, and where to buy them.

The page for microturbines is currently down, but the rest are up.

morons propose total permanent unlimited power.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728695)

supplies. no problem, unless, the georgewellian corpirate nazi execrable/unprecedented evile has its way with us. we can't see that happening?

don't come crying to us when there's only won channel/os left.

nothing has changed since the last phonIE ?pr? ?firm? generated 'news' brIEf. lots of good folks (innocents) are being killed/mutilated daily. if anything the situations are continuing to deteriorate. you already know that.

no matter their ceaseless efforts to block the truth from you, the tasks (planet/population rescue) will be completed.

the lights are coming up now.

you can pretend all you want. our advise is to be as far away from the walking dead contingent as possible, when the big flash occurs. you wouldn't want to get any of that evile on you.

as to the free unlimited energy plan, as the lights come up, more&more folks will stop being misled into sucking up more&more of the infant killing barrolls of crudeness, & learn that it's more than ok to use newclear power generated by natural (hydro, solar, etc...) methods. of course more information about not wasting anything/behaving less frivolously is bound to show up, here&there.

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consult with/trust in yOUR creator. more breathing. vote with yOUR wallet. seek others of non-aggressive intentions/behaviours. that's the spirit, moving you.

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good work so far. there's still much to be done. see you there. tell 'em robbIE.

in the old daze (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728717)

some remember what folks used corn cobs for? this isn't much different. like 8$/gal. petrol? it's just not worth it.

Gasify me (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728701)

This gasifier unit isn't commercially available yet but we might be seeing it sometime in 2004.

Incorrect. You may see [goatse.cx] it now.

In Soviet Russia... (-1)

I'm not a script, da (638454) | about 11 years ago | (#6728708)

...biomass home power generates you!

More for niches than mainstream (2, Interesting)

gloth (180149) | about 11 years ago | (#6728722)

As the article mentions, this is problably not for everyone. Not for most, actually.

Skeptics of wood gasification argue that it devours too much of a not-so-easy-to-replenish natural resource. Walt acknowledges that his BioMax machines aren't for every home or town but that they make most economic and ecological sense in areas where there's plenty of wasted wood that would otherwise be left to rot or tossed - at a cost - in landfills (producing methane and other greenhouse gases).

Rape is probably a more viable source of energy for the masses, growing much faster than wood, and also used successfully for power generation, though also on a relatively small scale yet.

Of course, my dual Athlon produces a lot of heat; there should be a way to make use of that. Uhm, well, ok, forget that :)

More for niches than mainstream-Jumpin jack snatch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728767)

"Rape is probably a more viable source of energy for the masses, growing much faster than wood, and also used successfully for power generation, though also on a relatively small scale yet."

Yes, but hookup's a bitch, and the penalties are severe.

Re:More for niches than mainstream (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728821)

Of course, my dual Athlon produces a lot of heat; there should be a way to make use of that. Uhm, well, ok, forget that :)

Was that a shameless "My dual athlon is better than your pentium" drop?

That's ALL!?! (3, Insightful)

dubbayu_d_40 (622643) | about 11 years ago | (#6728725)

"60 pounds of wood chips morphs into 20 kilowatt-hours of energy - sufficient to run a typical three-bedroom home for a day."

That's only 21900 pounds of wood per household per year!!! Yay!?!

Re:That's ALL!?! (1)

asdfx (446164) | about 11 years ago | (#6728801)

Idiot. He's not suggesting you cut up 60 pounds worth of trees a day. You have to eat 60 pounds worth of corn and coconuts a day.

Calorific Values Of Fuels (5, Informative)

heli0 (659560) | about 11 years ago | (#6728876)

GigaJoule Per Tonne

chicken shit: 8.8
wood: 10.0
meat & bone: 18.6
coal: 30.0
tires: 32.0
diesel: 45.6
propane: 49.4

----

http://www.lowpay.gov.uk/energy/inform/calvalues .p df

Re:That's ALL!?! (1)

dubbayu_d_40 (622643) | about 11 years ago | (#6728877)

Upon reflection, this approach puts a quantifiable measure on how much forestation we need.

hmm (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728728)

how many ergs would one cmdrtaco make?

choke on your own taco

Home Taco-snotting Power Generators (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728751)

Scientific Flame (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728761)


Good luck with corrosion buddy.

Have fun with the CO that that sucker produces.

Hope your fuel cell enjoys being poisoned by the TRS (total reduced sulfur) produced by your organic matter.

Oh don't forget tars from lack of carbon conversion.

15,000?! go to hell. no way you build one that cheap.

One thing I don't get.... (1)

retro128 (318602) | about 11 years ago | (#6728764)

So how does Community Power's BioMax work? In one end you pour a sack of wood chips, nut shells or pellets (considered the optimal fuel because they are small and dense) into an oxygen-starved tank- shaped gasifier, which heats the solid fuel until it forms a combustible gas (up to 800 degrees Celsius, or 1,472 degrees Fahrenheit). The so-called producer gas is a mixture of fuel gases such as hydrogen, carbon monoxide and methane.
Where exactly does the energy come from to generate a temperature of 1,472 degrees?

Delorean? (1)

Lord_Dweomer (648696) | about 11 years ago | (#6728777)

Now I just gotta hook this sucker up to my Delorean and I'm good to go......oh.......and the flying bit.........err....and the time travel thingy-majig too.

Re:Delorean? (1)

kUnGf00m45t3r (628515) | about 11 years ago | (#6728824)

"and the time travel thingy-majig too"

I think you mean the flux capacitor!

Sawdust (1, Insightful)

FooAtWFU (699187) | about 11 years ago | (#6728781)

How many corncobs, how many coconuts, and how much sawdust stuff does the average American consume daily? ...
I don't see this being in every home. Stick it in the feed processing plants, though...

Time travel... (1)

spac (125766) | about 11 years ago | (#6728791)

But the real question is... can i use it to turn my Corolla into a DeLorean?

Cars? (1)

Gherald (682277) | about 11 years ago | (#6728793)

Since this thing can power an average home for a day with 60 pounds of wood, I wonder if someone could make a practical car engine out of it?

Cars?-"Pioneer" power. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728848)

"Since this thing can power an average home for a day with 60 pounds of wood, I wonder if someone could make a practical car engine out of it?"

Looks like Jed's going to carve us an au-to-mo-bile en-gine.

Re:Cars?-"Pioneer" power. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728860)

um... okay.

Not commercially available? (2, Funny)

Snoopy77 (229731) | about 11 years ago | (#6728807)

... but they've had these on Gilligan's Island for years!

Re:Not commercially available? (1)

agrippa_cash (590103) | about 11 years ago | (#6728889)

corncobs, sawdust pellets, and coconut shells to produce electricity You beat me to the punch but here are my runners up. 1)Sure, but they can't build a decent raft. 2)Isn't that that Charles Lindberg used to win the civil war? 3)PROFIT Thanks folks, I'll be here all week.

Leprechaun Fuel! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728825)

Ozzie: What are you?
Leprechaun: What do I look like, me lad?! See the hat? The buckles on me shoes? Why, I'm a Leprechaun!

>
Leprechaun: [singing while bouncing a pogo stick on a man's chest] This old Lep, he played one. He played pogo on his lung.
|
Leprechaun: I'll not rest till I have me gold. Curse this well that me soul shall dwell, till I find me magic that breaks me spell.

Quotes source: http://www.imdb.com/Quotes?0107387

Why biomass isn't feasible (1, Interesting)

sssmashy (612587) | about 11 years ago | (#6728828)

I use biomass energy all the time... whenever I go camping, the burning wood in my campfire provides energy for cooking and warmth. The problem is, this is one of the only scenarios in which biomass energy is practical.

Generally speaking, biomass is one of the least environmentally-friendly sources of energy. The combustion of biomass generates more pollutants per kWh of electricity than a coal-fired generator due to small-scale inefficiencies and the uncontrolled release of COx, NOx, and SOx gases.

Why you didn't read the article? (5, Informative)

benjamindees (441808) | about 11 years ago | (#6728899)

Or even the summary?

This is a gasifier. It doesn't burn the biomass directly. It converts the biomass into clean gas fuel just like it would naturally decompose. It's actually more enviromnentally responsible because it supposedly makes use of excess materials that would otherwise be left to decompose into the atmosphere.

In full scale use in many countries (5, Informative)

vinsci (537958) | about 11 years ago | (#6728845)

These guys [citec.fi] developed waste treatment to commercial scale years ago, and it's successfully deployed in full scale in several countries [citec.fi] .
The WAASA PROCESS [citec.fi] , developed by Citec, has a reputation for being the most wide-ranging digestion experience in the world.

The WAASA PROCESS is in operation in Mustasaari outside city of Vaasa, Finland and in Kil, Sweden and in Tokyo, Japan. One of the largest MSW digestion plants in the world is a WAASA PROCESS in Groningen, Netherlands.

FYI: I worked at this company a couple of years back.

Al Qaeda Claims Responsibility For Power Blackout (0, Offtopic)

Dennis Halsey (699370) | about 11 years ago | (#6728867)

http://english.daralhayat.com/arab_news/08-2003/Ar ticle-20030818-14bdd659-c0a8-01ed-0079-6e1c903b755 2/story.html

Coconuts? Bah! (2, Interesting)

Guano_Jim (157555) | about 11 years ago | (#6728900)

Everyone knows the future of renewable energy is in chicken guts! [slashdot.org]

Seriously though, what a great use for all the agricultural waste sitting around the planet. Process the waste on site and use it to drive equipment.

Check out this book: Cradle to Cradle [amazon.com] , also reviewed [slashdot.org] on Slashdot. It'll give you a great overview of the waste == food concept.

Growing power (1)

aashenfe (558026) | about 11 years ago | (#6728901)

I'm thinking that in the future a lot of our energy will be grown.

Farmers with large biomass generators, biobatteries, methane tanks will grow energy crops or raise animals. Woody crops for things like biomass generators, carrot or potatoe like vegatables for biobatteries. Animal waste will be used for methane.

Maybe small consumer versions will be available to help dispose of lawn waste. Extra energy could be sold back to the grid.

Another nice outcome would be less need to subsidize farms, because of high demand for energy. The electric companies would be more a distibuter, and less a producer.

Heat energy (3, Informative)

Virtex (2914) | about 11 years ago | (#6728914)

The technology I'm waiting for is something that would efficiently convert heat energy into electricity. If you think about it, heat is an abundant source of energy during the summer months. If we could harness that energy, it would go a long way towards providing additional electricity. Plus, extracting the heat energy from the air has the effect of cooling off the air; hence, our air conditioners could generate electricity instead of consuming it.

Unfortunately, current technologies leave a lot to be desired (but there may be hope [powerchips.gi] ). So for now, I'll continue to wait.

Re:Heat energy (2, Informative)

Loosewire (628916) | about 11 years ago | (#6728936)

The technology I'm waiting for is something that would efficiently convert heat energy into electricity.
The way you say that is like its just another cool technology but infact its the holy grail of power generation.If someoen could find a way to turn ambient heat into energy the world power problems would be instantly solved

Re:Heat energy (2, Informative)

way2trivial (601132) | about 11 years ago | (#6728994)

ever here of a Stirling engine? go research it.

Re:Heat energy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728995)

The way you generate electricity is by having a potential based on the difference in temperatures between two areas. That difference needs to be in the range of 100Kel+ minimum. Just because it is hot outside does not mean there is some energy going to waste. The only way to harness all of those faster molecules in the summer months is to either have an even hotter source then you would need to have in the winter, or to have something around 200K.

Agricultural surplus (5, Interesting)

2toise (688494) | about 11 years ago | (#6728926)

There is a huge amount of federal money that goes into maintaining a massive agricultural surplus here in the states - this could easily be switched over to subsidies for fuel crops instead of (for example) tobacco, as is presently the case.
It would not supply all the needs by any means, but would help.
At present much is shipped overseas as 'aid', but rarely is this the most cost effective way to get food to war stricken areas.

Hahah. Bitches! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6728929)

Hahah. Flamebait? Proof positive that the mods here are still living in their parents' basements, jerking it to anime tentacle sex porn, popping their zits and tucking their penises in between their legs pretending they are girls. Fucking faggots. How many of you have experienced the taste of a vagina (and no, fucking your cousins don't count)? Go ahead and let the 'your mom/grandmother/sister/other female relative' jokes fly, you unoriginal fuckwits. Fuck all of you Slashfucks.

Assistance only (1, Insightful)

miknight (642270) | about 11 years ago | (#6728941)

I think this form of power could only be supplementary to an alternative, more powerful supply.

mr fusion? (2, Funny)

EngMedic (604629) | about 11 years ago | (#6728967)

Roads? where we're going we don't need ...roads.

Think of the web buttons! (0, Offtopic)

SnappingTurtle (688331) | about 11 years ago | (#6728985)

I want to be the first hacker to have a server powered by one of these things. Then I can have a great web button: "Powered by Poop" [idocs.com] .

Nice. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6729044)

To quote PDQ Bach:

"And her breath is like down (...wind of a compost heap on fire!)"
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