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New Linux-based PDA due September

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the and-it-fits-in-the-palm-of-your-hand dept.

Handhelds 182

Bill Kendrick writes "LinuxDevices.com has a preview of a new Linux-based PDA due out next month. Some of you might recognize the form-factor; it's from Softfield, the folks who ended up with the rights to the first commercial Linux-based PDA, the black-and-white, MIPs-based Agenda VR3. Softfield's new model, the MX-7, sports a 200MHz CPU, full-color 240x320 display, 32MB Flash and 64MB RAM, an SD card slot, and Trolltech's Qtopia environment. All for $299 USD."

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182 comments

wow (0)

what happen! (677244) | more than 10 years ago | (#6734988)

This device will be very useful and I intend to buy one as soon as it comes out. We could always use more of these.

Warning: Linux PDA May Result in Your Sucking (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6734991)

That's right, know that I have posted first, cretins.

THERE'S VOMIT ON YOUR PERSONAL FAILURE DEVICE! (-1)

I VOMIT ON FAILURES! (652124) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735018)

Perhaps I used the PDA STYLUS to induce VOMITING all over YOU! YOU FAIL IT!

Sweet (-1, Offtopic)

Mipsalawishus (674206) | more than 10 years ago | (#6734993)

I want one.

FP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6734995)

FP I rule the toilet so you should eat shit and die

For all you potential buyers out there (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735003)

Remember that Public Display of Affection is illegal in some states, Linux-based or not.

Also, don't forget to add the $32 to each price you receive from the vendor. Those guys will rip off the hardowrking people of SCO like you wouldn't believe.

Paedophile hunt police find human skull (-1)

(TK2)Dessimat0r (669581) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735004)

AMERICAN police made further grim discoveries yesterday during their investigation into a paedophile network responsible for kidnapping girls.

A skull and bones were dug up at the home of the network's suspected ringleader, Rob Malda. It was feared that they were the remains of two teenagers who disappeared from New Orleans a year ago. The bones were unearthed after police spent six days digging at a house in Holland, Michigan, one of six properties owned by Malda.

On a visit to the house last week, Malda told police that his accomplice, Jeff Bates, had buried five bodies under a shed. Maximillion Arturo, a police spokesman in Michigan, said that no further statement would be made until families had been informed.

There was speculation last night that the remains are those of shemales from the GNAA. Malda has admitted abducting them. However, he earlier told police that he believed the two girls were still alive and being held somewhere outside Michigan.

Two eight-year-old girls abducted by Malda have been found buried at another of his properties. They starved to death while he was in prison on a theft charge. Malda's wife, Kathleen Malda, has told police that she was supposed to feed the children while her husband was in prison, but was too frightened to enter their cell.

Another two girls were found alive by police two days after Malda's arrest on Aug 13. Ten people, including Malda, his wife and an American police officer, are in custody in connection with the case.

The raped corpses of two women and parts of a third body have been discovered in a freezer at the Slashdot headquarters, along with the remains of an 80 year old woman that remain unidentified.

TrollKore - At the head of the game.
I hate you, I hate your country, and I hate your face.

You dirty child molesting hippie potheads!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735084)

'Phish' Bassist Arrested; Allegedly Found In Secluded Area With 9-Year-Old

http://www.local6.com/news/2414796/detail.html

POSTED: 9:00 a.m. EDT August 19, 2003
UPDATED: 9:03 a.m. EDT August 19, 2003

NEW YORK -- A Phish is on the hook for endangering the welfare of a minor after he allegedly tried to take pictures of a young girl inside a deserted boathouse, according to a report.

Mike Gordon, 38, was arrested after being found late at night in a secluded area with a 9-year-old girl. The girl's parents raised an alarm when she disappeared from a backstage area at Jones Beach Theater, WNBC-TV reported. But following private conversations between the band's manager and the child's parents, there's a question about whether the band's bassist will avoid facing that charge.

New York State Park Police say Gordon showed a different side after a concert last week by The Dead. Investigators say Gordon -- who calls himself "Cactus" -- was an invited guest backstage at Jones Beach. He was not invited, they say, to take a 9-year-old girl to an isolated location behind the theater.

"The area is actually like a work area for state employees who operate boats out of that area," said Maj. Richard O'Donnell, of the New York State Park Police. "It's a darkened area, not intended for public access."

O'Donnell, who is the region's commanding officer, would not discuss what the bass player told officers when he was found with the child on a dock. But a police report obtained by WNBC-TV reveals "The defendant stated he wanted to take 'art photos' of the victim."

Police confirm that Gordon has never been convicted of any crime. Law enforcement sources said that after the band member was arrested, he told officers, "I may have shown bad judgment, but I am not a pedophile."

The Law enforcement sources identify the girl's father as a leader of the Hell's Angels Motorcycle Club, whom they say had also been invited backstage to watch The Dead concert. Gordon was held for police by theater security "and the victim's father's associates -- which the police report decribes as other Hell's Angels members.

When responding to a request for an interview, Phish's manager e-mailed a joint statement from Gordon and the child's parents that reads: "It is now clear to all involved that this was an unfortunate misunderstanding, and we look forward to putting this matter behind us."

Later, in a conference call, the manager said Gordon's trying to "make amends" with the family. The girl's father added that "muckraking journalists should put the story to rest."

Both declined to discuss whether the musician is paying compensation.

When asked by WNBC-TV if there was any reasonable explanation for Gordon to have been with the girl at 1:00 AM in a secluded boat house, Maj. O'Donnell of the State Park Police said "I have no explanation for it."

The commander says he "absolutely" stands by the police investigation and has referred the bass player's boathouse rendezvous case to the Nassau County district attorney for prosecution.

The DA's office says the evidence is being evaluated. Regardless of whether Gordon has to face a judge next month, law-enforcement sources say unofficial justice was already delivered. The Hell's Angels, who detained Gordon for police, were not, the sources say, gentle with sensitive areas of the rock star's body.

Copyright 2003 by Local6.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed

Re:You dirty child molesting hippie potheads!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735165)

The Hell's Angels, who detained Gordon for police, were not, the sources say, gentle with sensitive areas of the rock star's body.

Sheeiteeee! If yer gonna molest a child, cant you pick a kid other than the daughter of the leader of the Hells Angels?

Re:You dirty child molesting hippie potheads!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735368)

Who else brings thier 9 year old to a Dead concert?

Re:You dirty child molesting hippie potheads!!! (1, Funny)

Diotallevi (688468) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735377)

i guess that he can get a job as a eunuch programmer

FUCK YOU (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735007)

this is bullshit who the fuck would want linux on a pda other than to jack off to linus torvaldos giving a handjob to sco because he sucked their dicks for codes lol

Hmm... (4, Funny)

aftk2 (556992) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735015)

They must not have gotten the memo [macworld.com] .

Answer me this... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735017)

.. Why is it that every time I load the Slashdot main page I get the advert showing that fat bitch Judy Branch and how much she saved at eBay?

Did she take her savings and buy food with it or what?

She needs to invest in a liposuction machine or maybe some Weightwatchers programs.

Re:Answer me this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735412)

Greeaaat. Now her fat face is spilling over into the forums.

Michael - Why is your mom doing ads for ebay anyway? Is her pimp not paying her enough?

I mean, is your dad really that greedy?

Re:Answer me this... (0, Offtopic)

gregarican (694358) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735671)

Judy Branch is an attractive lady. Sincerely, Rosie O'Donnell

Obligatory... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735022)

does it run LINUX?!

Not bad at $300 (2, Interesting)

mao che minh (611166) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735024)

Not bad at $300, but it sorely needs an MP3 player (native) and some good games. Otherwise, a Palm powered PDA would be a hell of a lot more useful.

Re:Not bad at $300 (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735398)

Please shut the fuck up. No one, and I mean no one, cares about your lame "observations" and "witty" comments.

Hope this helps!
Fuck off and die!
??
Profit!

ID me. (1)

LiberalApplication (570878) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735849)

Personally, I can't wait until Linux based devices have enough funding or enough wits about them to hire good industrial designers. It's all well and good if it screams tech savvy because of its underpinnings, but it's even better in terms of raising public awareness of alternatives and looking bad-ass in public if it screams with sex appeal. Imagine what it would do for Linux if a Linux-based PDA were to appear that looks as if it could have come from the studios at Apple?

I mean, Sony's Clies [sonystyle.com] , while not the bestest looking devices in the world, are still certainly snazzy looking enough to warrant inquiries from passers-by and non-technically fluent peoples. The same went for Handspring's sexy but not all that useful Visor Edge [amazon.com] .

Come on geeks, we can be smart, but we can be sexy too. Rinkydink textured ABS with ovoid buttons and felt-marker-script lettering doesn't do us any good. Go minimal. Go architectural. Go intelligent. That's what we represent, isn't it?

What about Ogg? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735035)

If it doesn't run Ogg then can we actually say it will be useful? (tongue removed from cheek)

Wondering (3, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735037)

Could linux based PDAs be the toe-in-the-door for some real commercial game development for linux? Or productivity and other such apps?

I mean I see major commercial titles hitting Palms and WinCE, if some ported to linux based PDAs, it might snowball into linux, well (get ready to mod me down, zealots), doing something useful for me besides routing packets to my Windows machines and Xbox.

Re:Wondering (2, Interesting)

Papa Legba (192550) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735088)

but linux already has the perfect PDA game. I think Nethack would run beautifully on this device. The only problem is that I would get even less done. Nethack on this PDA with a nice tileset may very well be a must have killer app.

Re:Wondering (1)

jandrese (485) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735303)

You can already get Rogue [sourceforge.net] , Larn [sourceforge.net] , and Moria [sourceforge.net] for PalmOS. It doesn't look like Nethack [sourceforge.net] is going to get ported anytime soon though. Bummer.

Re:Wondering (2, Informative)

Trelane (16124) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735331)

They have it on the Z. Check the zaurus.com feeds (docs.zaurus.com/feed) for qpe-nethack

why are people willing to use a proprietary gui? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735261)

i dont get it, why get a "linux" pda only to have a proprietary gui environment, this utterly missed the real power and freedom of linux. honestly, until these suckers run a nice free software gui i see no compelling reason to stop using palmos devices.

Re:why are people willing to use a proprietary gui (2, Informative)

Progoth (98669) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735359)

honestly, until these suckers run a nice free software gui i see no compelling reason to stop using palmos devices.

umm....ever heard of opie [handhelds.org] ?

Re:why are people willing to use a proprietary gui (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735411)

Free as in whine, or free as in beer?

Re:why are people willing to use a proprietary gui (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735454)

Try Matchbox [handhelds.org] .

Re:why are people willing to use a proprietary gui (1)

Daemonik (171801) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735717)

Hrmm, you won't buy a Linux PDA because the GUI is proprietary although the underlying os is GPL, but you'll use a Palm PDA which is 100% proprietary.

How free(speech) does it have to be before you'll support it, exactly?

that's just my point (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735848)

i'd love the be able to have a free software palm, but they dont really exist, so i have no reason to switch from palmos yet. that's all.

Actually (2, Interesting)

phorm (591458) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735275)

Linux is very nice for mobile devices in general, including/especially laptops. In desktops I think it tends to lag because of well, the games, and the whole mess around Wine, Hardware Acceleration, and proprietary/buggy 3d-accelerated hardware drivers. I *do* have it on my desktop at home, it just doesn't quite do everything my windows machine does (games, and the Nvidia driver craps out and locks if X gets shutdown in a way it doesn't like).

Now, on my laptop, I've got an iceWM XP-styled desktop with: MozillaFirebird, Evolution, SSH in my terminal, OpenOffice, gMerlin (VCD, Mpeg), and XMMS (mp3). Does everything I could want it to do. General computing is more lightweight than windows, though I do admit some things lag up a bit more too. I have a small windows partition to go online when I need dialup (particular lucent winmodem not supported yet), but otherwise it's always 'nix.

Now, on a PDA you may have games, but none of that 3d-accelerated high-end crap so you don't have to worry about weird drivers. A web-browser, organizer, and a bunch of open-source plugin software/games and I think it would do very nicely with linux.
Linux may not be ready for the multimedia/game desktop, but it could most definately be ready for PDA's and portables.

Perhaps (4, Interesting)

PigeonGB (515576) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735283)

But there is plenty available for Linux Game Development.

garagegames.com [garagegames.com] provides the Torque Engine for only $100 a programmer. A number of quality games already exist for free or (more likely) as shareware at their site.

There are different libraries like PLIB, which as I remember was used for Tux Kart and other games.

Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be active websites for the community of GNU/Linux game developers. Usually the mailing lists are more active though. The websites look defunct which may make people think that nothing is happening.

As for productivity, yes, it is possible that more Linux-based PDAs will make people want to work on GnuCash and other such projects that are needed for productivity. I think that it might be a catch-22 in that demand for such apps would fuel development but development requires demand...The difference here is that if the hardware developers would hire programmers to actually MAKE the software in the first place, it would solve the problem.

Maybe not the most direct answer, but it is my $.02

Re:Perhaps (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735356)

I'm not talking about homebrewed stuff and endless tetris clones, but real big-house published and polished games.

So far we pretty much just have Carmacks work to play under linux. So just getting the tools into the hands of serious dev houses is at least a step in the right direction.

Too bad the iDreama was just a wetDreama. A linux based commercial console could have been just the ticket to pave the way for professional desktop linux ports.

Though, the way I see it, PC gaming is dying a slow death anyways, or at least diverging from console gaming in a big way. It used to be the machine on my desk (an Amiga) blew the doors off of the console on my TV (8 bit NES). Now its often the other way around.

Re:Perhaps (3, Informative)

Harbinjer (260165) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735666)

Agreed,
Agreed,
Agreed,

Wrong! PC gaming isn't dying! Have you seen counterstrike? Biggest online PC game out there. Biggest tournaments. How many people out there have won thousands of dollars on console games?

Graphics don't make a game, but they make a good one better. And with Doom 3 and half-life 2, PC games will get a huge boost in graphics and environment soon.

They may be diverging. Strategy games and 1st Person shooters are best on PC. As are flight sims. The only games that I think are completely better on consoles are fighers like Tekkan, and Dance Dance Revolution(but I have yet to check out pyDance for Linux). Otherwise PC's are equal or better I think.

Agreed (1)

PigeonGB (515576) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735689)

Not a lot of big name commercial developers are developing for the *nix platform. Couple that with Carmack's statement on being able to ignore the platform without losing too much sleep, and you have a lot of people who just won't develop for Gnu/Linux.

It is hard enough to make money on the Win32 platform. Publishers don't want to take a risk on Linux-based machines.

On the other hand, there is more to shareware than "homebrewed" stuff. There are professional quality games that are shareware by choice. They do make money. Garagegames just happens to be one of those companies that provides a high quality engine for really cheap. Torque has been used in Tribes 2, and there are quite a few games being developed in it.

Again, if it isn't id or Blizzard, people think it won't be good. Linux is different from Windows, and unfortunately, a lot of people think you can't play games on it. Publishers won't publish on Linux so it furthers the problem.

Also PC gaming is still alive and well. They say that it will die every 5 years when the newest consoles are released. It always stays alive. The difference nowadays is that consoles and PC gaming tend to look more alike than before. Certain games run and feel better on a console than on a keyboard. Offtopic, but still. B-)

Re:Perhaps (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735379)

it's not STUPID, it's advanced

no big deal now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735041)

a year ago, I would have creamed myself over this...

but now with tapwave coming out, and the PSP sometime next year, there's nothing to be excited about...

oh well

New Linux PDA (1)

larry2k (592744) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735053)

Damn!

Powermac G5, now this!. My Sony Clie PEG-415 and Tungsten W are now on sale...

I need to get back to work to make the big bucks...

Re:New Linux PDA (1)

Goldfinger7400 (630228) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735901)

Eh, how is this better than the Palm Tungsten? I just got a Tungsten C, and it seems the greatest thing since swiss cheese.

The only thing that seems good about this is that it's a bit on the inexpensive side. But it runs Linux, so it must be Great!

Take that gnome (S core :5, funny) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735055)

Your getting your ass kicked by TT/KDE, wheres YOUR embeded environment. But no, all you wan't is a knockoff desktop environment without the features and easy to use file dialog.

The agenda was nice but the Zaurus is useful (4, Insightful)

SWroclawski (95770) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735058)

I had an Agenda and I have a Zarus.

The key to the Zaurus are the two expansion slots, the keyboard, and the fact it runs OpenZaurus.

It looks like the new Softfield PDA will have the SD slot (less useful than CompactFlash) and MAY in time be able to run OpenZaurs.

If it does, it will be a useful device, but you can already pick up a Sharp Zaurus 5500 for less than $300 (I paid about $280 for mine)

- Serge Wroclawski

Re:The agenda was nice but the Zaurus is useful (3, Interesting)

RevAaron (125240) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735393)

Heck, I got my SL-5500 for $180.

And sold it a month later for $170. The SL-5500 is pretty much crap compared to almost any other PDA. I'd rather have a mono Newton or Psion screen than the pitiful excuse for a color screen that is found on the SL-5500. Let's pray to any and all gods that the screen on this MX-7 isn't as bad...

I now have a Zaurus C760- it's a great platform for running Squeak Smalltalk [squeak.org] and Dynapad [sf.net] , especially with its 640x480 screen, but as a PDA, the entire Zaurus line is exteremely lacking.

Anyone know how fast this particular CPU is compared to a 206 MHz StrongARM? If it's any slower than the 206 MHz StrongARM SA-1100 (or the 400 MHz PXA250 XScale, which is about the same speed), it'll suck to run Qtopia and its apps on it. Qtopia is *slow*, especially on PDAs with the 400 MHz PXA250 XScale (SL-5600, SL-C700) or 206 MHz StrongARM (SL-5000D, SL-5500), but it's still kind of sad on the fast 400 MHz XScale PXA255 CPUs in the SL-C750 and SL-C760. You'd think you were using OS X 10.1 on a 400 MHz G3 sometimes...

Hey, read the article- CF (as well as bluetooth and a camera) will be an option. Yeah, more money spent, but at least there is the potential.

Sweet! (1)

Saint Aardvark (159009) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735061)

Want want want...I've been lusting after a VR3 for a while, but I might have to hold off for this.

QUICK! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735069)

Someone say something stupid about SCO. Just cut and paste from the last article, originality has no place here.

Easy karma for you, soothing groupthink for the rest of us.

Thank you.

Re:QUICK! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735126)

well sco 0wnz linux so therefore sco 0wnz this too!

My new plan (5, Funny)

SirLantos (559182) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735071)

Hmmmm....
1. Find something non-Linux based
2. Make a linux version.
3. ???
4. Profit


SirLantos

Re:My new plan (1)

Craig Ivey (60906) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735263)

3. Sell it to millions of Linux-dummies

Re:My new plan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735414)

Exactly! You've hit on the reason the Linux-based Sharp Zaurus isn't dead. I can't imagine Sharp makes much of that Step 4 shit, but if it weren't for those Linux-dummies buying them to show off VNC and SSH at LUG meetings (which you can do on PalmOS and WinCE as well), Sharp probably would have switched back to its proven proprietary Zaurus OS, which ran on all the models previous to the SL line.

Re:My new plan (2, Insightful)

jargoone (166102) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735306)

More like:
1. Find something non-Linux based.
2. Make an overpriced Linux version.
3. Watch everybody rave about it on /.
4. ???
5. Watch as established competitors outsell new Linux version.

Sad but true, at least at the beginning. Any PDA costing over $200 has a color screen and an mp3 player these days.

syncing (4, Interesting)

net_bh (647968) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735075)

Of all the Linux PDAs out there has anybody been successful with syncing them to Linux apps and Windows apps without any pain?

I own a Sharp Zaurus 5500, and I am not impressed with its syncing prowess. Luckily, I know enough to back up the whole PDA using 'scp', but that doesnt go for Joe and Jane.

I hope Multisync [sf.net] does on to become the defacto tool for synchronizing all kinds of handhelds, mobiles with email, calendar, address books, etc.

Needs two slots... (2, Insightful)

chill (34294) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735096)

One for data storage expansion, one for peripherals.

Think: camera & place to store pictures; WiFi card & place to store downloaded files.

Other than that, seems like YALP (yet another Linux PDA). Not that we couldn't use more of them...

Re:Needs two slots... (4, Informative)

chill (34294) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735150)

Okay, partial foot in mouth...

It seems it has a 140-pin expansion slot for other peripherals, like a CF adaptor, etc. Sounds like the "jacket" option of some iPaq models.

Wasting an opportunity for innovation (1, Flamebait)

gearmonger (672422) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735109)

It's too bad that Softfield is wasting this opportunity to do something actually *interesting*. QVGA screen? Please...how passe. Why not match up an innovative OS/UI with some innovative hardware? I mean, it's not like this current device is going to set the world on fire, so try something creative and maybe establish yourself as a credible player? Otherwise, you're just wasting everyone's time with this lame sub-incrementalist crap.

Yeah, and IBM messed up with that too (1)

PigeonGB (515576) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735209)

The IBM PC was not very innovative with its hardware either. Look where that got them today. What morons.

As a recent pocket pc purchaser..... (5, Insightful)

clifgriffin (676199) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735115)

This thing would never have caught my eye when I was searching for a PDA.

It looks atrocious (at this point) and doesn't have near the specs dell offers for the same price.

The fact that it's "linux based" doesn't send me into "I want one!" orgasms.

Re:As a recent pocket pc purchaser..... (2, Funny)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735217)

Dude,

Its Free.

Free as in 300 bucks!

People pay twice as much for half the machine if it runs OSX, why not transfer that to the PDA market?

What you need is a blitz marketing campaign with testimonials from tech-savvy individuals like tony hawk and ellen feiss.

Re:As a recent pocket pc purchaser..... (0, Troll)

RevAaron (125240) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735553)

Heh! I like this idea!

Except, of course, it'd be kind of the polar opposite of Apple's campaign. Ellen Feiss wouldn't be talking about switching from the beeping computer that didn't work right to one that did... Instead, she'd be like

"Well, so yeah, my dad bought this little computer... It think they call it like a pee dee aay. He says it means it is cool. So, I was like writing a paper for class in TextMaker, and I was going to save it to RTF and email it to my teacher and suddenly I was like- so Mr PDA, what is your deal? Why haven't you crashed? IS THAT ALL YOU GOT IN YOU? This sucks! Like, I totally like my computer to give me a little fight.

So I realized then my life was incomplete. I tell my dad, HEY BUTTWAD, you gotta get me a Linux PDA! And then it was like WOW THIS IS SO COOL! And I took my new toy to school and I was like Hey GUYS!! I RULE! I am so much l33t, much more than j00!!!1 So I was like HEY! Look, I can SSH. And my girlfriend was like ''but what about useful apps?? My WinCE can SSH 2, so who cares ellen da felon?'' And i was liek fCUK j00! It runs Linux ! You know, the ULTIMATE KILLER APP!"

And then, it pans out from Ellen's head, and the whole building burns down. I bet it'd be pretty cool.

Re:As a recent pocket pc purchaser..... (1)

ath3na (698230) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735423)

I'm going to have to agree on the atrocious aspect. My Sony Clie looks better than that thing. And well, as a chick, I think PDA's should have function AND form.

Hopefully, the next version is a little easier on the eyes.

Which makes me wonder if PDA's will ever be "skinnable" like some cell phones are.

-carolyn

Re:As a recent pocket pc purchaser..... (1)

RevAaron (125240) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735438)

And- if you really want to run Linux, you'll be able to do that on the Dell Axim *very* soon. It works partially already, but it's only a matter of not-that-much time before the whole chebang works.

The Axim is a pretty nice little device. Probably the best color 240x320 screen I've seen on a PDA and SD/CF expansion. Hell, if you're not feeling zealous, you can still do most of that weekend Unix User Group show off stuff on WindowsCE/PocketPC as well as on Linux. :)

Re:As a recent pocket pc purchaser..... (2, Informative)

penguin7of9 (697383) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735759)

It looks atrocious (at this point) and doesn't have near the specs dell offers for the same price.

Actually, if it's similar to the old VR3, the hardware design is really nice: the rounded corners make it easy to carry around, the screen protector works great, and the device is quite small.

Palm or PPC hardware looks flashier and more high-tech, but hardware like the VR3 is more usable.

Too expensive... (5, Funny)

thefoobar (131715) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735123)

$299 + SCO license = Too expensive!

Please please please (3, Interesting)

1010011010 (53039) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735125)

... sync with iSync, and sync with something on Linux.

I wonder if "Opie [handhelds.org] " will make an appearance in commercial hardware anytime soon... it started as a fork of the QTopia environment, and is coming along nicely. It would be really cool to have Opie become the standard palmtop environment.

Opie seems like a dead end (1)

penguin7of9 (697383) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735857)

As far as I can tell, Opie is a dead end: being an open source fork of Qt, the only license under which it is available is the GPL. That makes Opie an impossible platform for many commercial applications.

Areas where a Linux PDA could shine are gaming, inventory support, hospitals, instrument control, etc. But the developers of that kind of software simply are not going to make it open source, nor are their customers going to care whether it's open source or not. So, a GPL-only toolkit has no chance. But even the commercial version of Qt isn't all that attractive because if those people are going to throw in their lot with a commercial vendor, they might as well go with Microsoft and PPC: it's cheaper than Qt and more widely used.

Now, Opie/X11 might have a chance because it reuses all that effort that went into Opie but also opens up the platform for commercial apps.

Ultimately, GPL'ed or dual-licensed GUI toolkits just won't work in the long run--there are too many free or LGPL'ed alternatives to choose from.

Linux PDAs really needs GPS support (4, Interesting)

jacken (98085) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735142)

The only killer app I have seen so far on PDAs except the basic PIM stuff is GPS navigation. Is there any navigation software available for linux PDA? And Im not talking about raster map software, but vector based maps.

Re:Linux PDAs really needs GPS support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735897)

two good ones, qpegps and zroadmap. (which is a zaurus port of roadmap) are very useful. no waypoints, or 6 MILES TO STARBUCKS sort of thing, but i can carry two states of maps in it, and zoom in enough to see myself change lanes on the interstate.
and still be wardriving with kismet at the same time.

But are they made by circumcised engineers? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735164)

Having Linux as its OS is good...but the main reason I like GNU software is that ALL of the engineers are properly circumcised.

I wish that was the case with Linux developers but unfortunatly they are almost always uncut. Alan "uncut" Cox, and Linus "longskin" Torvalds are the prime offenders of the aardvark cock disease.

As a GNU groupie chick, I must say Linux dicks are totally uncircumcised and totally GROSS! Haven't you linux developers heard of circumcision? It's time to get it.

I'm upset that Stallman is even letting the Linux kernel be used with properly developed GNU software created by beautifully circumcised developers. HURD all the way, because you KNOW you won't find any aardvark, elephant trunk SICK GROSS and puke inducing UNCIRCUMCISED dicks with the HURD kernel.

I recommend everyone circumcise their sons because why let *anyone* suffer from this disease? Uncircumcised guys probably get laid only by hookers and even then will NEVER get a blowjob!

--GNU Groupie Chick

You are TOTALLY right (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735302)

I went to Europe once on vacation, and boy was I sorry. I met a cute guy, and went back to his place. He dropped his pants and I almost barfed! I took one look at it and turned around and ran to my hotel.

That shit looks totally nasty. I couldn't get laid my whole month in Europe because no one was circumcised!! I'm a hot blonde who is an IT manager, and I must say, if I ever have to leave the US for a long time, I'm making sure I'm bringing an American male with me who is circumcised.

I agree with you 100% GNU chick. I don't understand why women in Europe put up with uncircumcised guys. If it is done as a baby, then they wont even remember it. Done later in life, the small amount pain can build character.

Guys are famous for avoiding doctors, but this proceedure really will make european men like it. Imagine how they'll feel getting their first blowjob in their whole lives! Sex more then just for reproduction! I bet Europe's population would double just because of this simple character building operation.

Circumcision is required in the US to be a citizen (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735402)

You need a proof of circumcision to get a Passport.

http://usembassy-australia.state.gov/consular/bi rt hcert.html

Re:Circumcision is required in the US to be a citi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735447)

Nope.

Read it again:

"
If you do NOT have a previous U.S. passport or a certified birth certificate, you will need:

1. Letter of No Record Issued by the state with your name, date of birth, which years were searched for a birth record and that there is no birth certificate on file for you.

2. AND as many of the following as possible:

- Baptismal certificate
- Hospital birth certificate
- Census record
- Certificate of circumcision
- Early school record
- Family bible record
- Doctor's record of post-natal care
"

No where does it say that its required.

In fact, the US is the only modern society that still practices this. And its something we, as men, need to put an end to.

Would a woman put up with their daughters having their clits ripped from their bodies as babies?

Male Circumcision IS GOOD female circumcision BAD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735555)

"Would a woman put up with their daughters having their clits ripped from their bodies as babies?" Removing the clit is like removing the penis! You insensitive clod. Female circumcsion is MUTILATION and bad, while male circumcision is good because it prevents cancer in men and cervical cancer in women. It reduces AIDs rates and improves sensitivity and looks in the penis.

Re:Male Circumcision IS GOOD female circumcision B (-1, Offtopic)

fucksl4shd0t (630000) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735586)

Removing the clit is like removing the penis! You insensitive clod. Female circumcsion is MUTILATION and bad, while male circumcision is good because it prevents cancer in men and cervical cancer in women. It reduces AIDs rates and improves sensitivity and looks in the penis.

Those are old wives' tales. I spoke seriously with more than a couple of doctors when my first son was born, and the decision was already made for my second son. Teach your kids how to bath properly, and there will never be a problem with your decision not to sexually mutilate them.

Of course, if you're too lazy to teach them to bath, then you probably shouldn't be reproducing in the first place.

FPU? (2, Insightful)

OutRigged (573843) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735167)

Can anyone tell me why none of these mobile ARM processors, such as the StrongARM, Xscale, etc, never seem to have floating point processing capabilities? Is it due to power contraints, or is it something else?

Re:FPU? (1)

mav[LAG] (31387) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735808)

Because there's been little need for it. The majority of mobile ARMs go into devices that use integer only maths - like network devices. And even the ARM's integer unit cannot divide - you have to do divides yourself the long way. Whether these missing features are a function of the RISC design of the chip, or for historical reasons, or some other reason entirely I'm not sure - no doubt an ARM expert will correct me.

$299+ (2, Funny)

cperciva (102828) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735171)

All for $299 USD

Only if you believe the marketing. More likely, it will be somewhere around $299 (PDA) + $699 (SCO license) + $50 (shipping and handling) + 15% (taxes) = $1205.20

New price (0, Offtopic)

DingoBueno (461129) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735174)

Just for the record, the real price is $331. They must have forgot about the $32 SCO because-we-can fee.

SD card == the big SUCK (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735203)

I hate SD cards, they are little fragile chips with the world's crappiest connector design (hint: electrical connections should not depend on SPRINGS to operate).

Go ahead, take your SD card and bend it in half in your fingers .. CRUNCH! You can't even try to bend a CF card, they are encased in solid plastic.

My Zaurus has a ram card in the SD slot permanently.

CF is an excellent format and just the right size to not get lost. I wish Zaurus had TWO CF slots!

Plus when you buy SD you support DRM bullshit.

me hates teh big sucky SD card!

morons exacting badtoll from unprecedented evile (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735213)

that comes due immediately. there's no going back, & nowhere to hide. anyone who shall endeavor to harm the least of the innocents, harms all of us. reparations will be made by you/us, as the walking dead have no conscience/will be unavailable.

of course that's off topic, as the hobbyists are the total opposite of the phonIE payper liesense corepirate nazis.

you gnu/software folks are to be commended. we'd be nearly doomed by now without y'all. the check's in the mail again.

meanwhile... for those yet to see the light.

don't come crying to us when there's only won channel/os left.

nothing has changed since the last phonIE ?pr? ?firm? generated 'news' brIEf. if anything the situations are continuing to deteriorate. you already know that.

the posterbouys for grand larcenIE/deception would include any & all of the walking dead who peddle phonIE stock markup payper to millions of hardworking conservative folks, & then after stealing/spending/disappearing the real dough, pretend that nothing ever happened. sound familiar robbIE? these fauxking corepirate nazi larcens, want us to pretend along with them, whilst they continue to squander yOUR "investmeNTs", on their soul DOWt craving for excess/ego gratification. yuk

no matter their ceaseless efforts to block the truth from you, the tasks (planet/population rescue) will be completed.

the lights are coming up now.

you can pretend all you want. our advise is to be as far away from the walking dead contingent as possible, when the big flash occurs. you wouldn't want to get any of that evile on you.

as to the free unlimited energy plan, as the lights come up, more&more folks will stop being misled into sucking up more&more of the infant killing barrolls of crudeness, & learn that it's more than ok to use newclear power generated by natural (hydro, solar, etc...) methods. of course more information about not wasting anything/behaving less frivolously is bound to show up, here&there.

cyphering how many babies it costs for a barroll of crudeness, we've decided to cut back, a lot, on wasteful things like giving monIE to felons, to help them destroy the planet/population.

no matter. the #1 task is planet/population rescue. the lights are coming up. we're in crisis mode. you can help.

the unlimited power (such as has never been seen before) is freely available to all, with the possible exception of the aforementioned walking dead.

consult with/trust in yOUR creator. more breathing. vote with yOUR wallet. seek others of non-aggressive intentions/behaviours. that's the spirit, moving you.

pay no heed/monIE to the greed/fear based walking dead.

each harmed innocent carries with it a bad toll. it will be repaid by you/us. the Godless felons will not be available to make reparations.

pay attention. that's definitely affordable, plus you might develop skills which could prevent you from being misled any further by phonIE ?pr? ?firm? generated misinformation.

good work so far. there's still much to be done. see you there. tell 'em robbIE.

Qtopia doesn't cut it (5, Interesting)

penguin7of9 (697383) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735223)

I have a Sharp Zaurus, and I think Qtopia just doesn't cut it.

Sure, it looks pretty nice and it has most of the functionality you might want in a PDA, but it is still significantly worse than either Palm or PPC. Some of the problems include badly thought out user interaction, wasteful use of the limited screen real estate (probably a result of being based on an adaptation of a desktop toolkit), and pretty excessive resource consumption by Qt/Embedded. And there is far less software available for Qtopia than for either Palm or PPC. If you want good PDA functionality, get a Palm.

On the other hand, as a Linux PDA for vertical apps, Qtopia-based PDAs also fall short: you are limited to the Qt toolkit and all the graphics and UI code from existing Linux apps require complete rewrites. You can't use any of the open source GUI tools you are likely used to (Tcl/Tk, Python/Gtk+, etc.). And if you want to write commercial apps, it's going to cost you (you can do commercial Palm development for free).

Linux PDAs will keep failing until their makers recognize that it is futile to compete with Palm and PPC head-on. Linux PDAs can thrive in the niche of providing portable little Linux machines, but that means not limiting the machines to running just a single GUI toolkit.

this is why i dont yet want a linux pda... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735345)

they aren't really linux pda's as of yet, they are just replacing proprietary gui's from vendors like palm inc and microsoft with a lower quality one made by trolltech. i see no reason to switch from palmos until there is a free gui envirnment running on these things.

Re:Qtopia doesn't cut it (4, Interesting)

toganet (176363) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735824)

Remember, though, that the Zaurus _is not_ and PDA -- it is a PMT, or "Personal Mobile Tool".

Semantic distinction or SHARP marketing garbage? A little of both -- but indicative of SHARP's awareness of the problem you mentioned or taking on other PDA's in their own segment.

I use my Zaurus as a mini-workstation and network troubleshooting tool. And to play games, browse the web, take notes, SSH into servers....

For PDA stuff, I use a PDA

Re:Qtopia doesn't cut it (4, Informative)

RevAaron (125240) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735868)

Some of the problems include badly thought out user interaction, wasteful use of the limited screen real estate (probably a result of being based on an adaptation of a desktop toolkit), and pretty excessive resource consumption by Qt/Embedded.

Indeed. This is true from both the user perspective as well as the developers- Qt/Embedded wasn't designed for use on PDAs, and it shows. I am talking about the API, not the way things look and feel, although that is certainly an issue as well. Qt/E was designed for a system with a mouse like its desktop counterpart, rather than for a stylus based system. This wouldn't be a big deal if TrollTech made the neccesary adaptations and changes to make for a system that worked well on both kinds of systems (there are Qt/E systems with mice and not touchscreens).

For instance, Qtopia has a simple character recognition system in which you write in a little box, ala Graffiti 1 or the Character/Block Recognizer in PocketPC. Developers have wanted to create a new input method that allows one to write letters anywhere on the screen, perhaps using the same engine, but not making you write in a little box. But nope, it appears to be next to impossible within the confines of Qtopia and Qt/Embedded due to the way the event loop works. This is just one example, but these things add up, painting a picture of an embedded GUI toolkit that really doesn't make much sense on a PDA.

And Qtopia/Linux does use an excessive amount of resources. For one, it's quite slow.

I have a Zaurus SL-C760. I just did some timing tests for launching applications, here are my numbers:

Calendar: 6 sec
Opera 6: 6 sec
Netfront 3: 4 sec
Hancom Word: 3 sec
Simple Calculator: 3 sec

And for comparison, I launched analogous apps on an iPAQ 3650. Mind you, the iPAQ has half of the RAM and about half of the CPU power as the C760.

Calendar, Word, PocketIE, Clock, Calculator: all > 1 sec

One way to get around the slowness of app launching on the Zaurus is a feature called "fast load." Basically, the system loads the application into memory and keeps it resident, even when you quit it. When you tap the app it appears to open, and the icon shows up in the taskbar. If an app has "fast loading" turned on, launching time is pretty similar to the PocketPC. Of course, for each app you have "fast loading" turned on, it uses up a MB or more, depending on the app. Turning on fast loading for Calendar uses 1.2 MB of RAM.

As far as memory requirements, the Linux+Qtopia combo uses up a pretty fair amount. On a fresh boot of my C760, with no applications in "Fast load" mode, 16 MB of RAM is used up. No application loaded. On a fresh boot on the iPAQ, WinCE is using up 3 MB.

As far as vertical apps, you may not be able to run GTK+ or Tk apps within the world of Qtopia, you can run X11 and these apps if you want. It negates any advantage percieved for Qtopia, but it's still an option. Then again, you can also run Tcl/Tk, Perl/Tk, X11 and other apps on WinCE without having to go outside the WinCE environment, so it depends on what your needs are.

The "Familiar" Linux distro and the Yopy PDA both use X11 and are thusly not limited to only one GUI toolkit. I myself would rather have one main GUI toolkit, but having options is always good. For me, consistency is more important, but even on WinCE/PocketPC- which is seen as a single toolkit environment can be host to other toolkits as long as someone does the port.

NO ONE GIVES A FUCK!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735240)

New Linux-based PDA due September

Posted by CmdrTaco on Tuesday August 19, @01:28PM
from the and-it-fits-in-the-palm-of-your-hand dept.
Bill Kendrick writes "LinuxDevices.com has a preview of a new Linux-based PDA due out next month. Some of you might recognize the form-factor; it's from Softfield, the folks who ended up with the rights to the first commercial Linux-based PDA, the black-and-white, MIPs-based Agenda VR3. Softfield's new model, the MX-7, sports a 200MHz CPU, full-color 240x320 display, 32MB Flash and 64MB RAM, an SD card slot, and Trolltech's Qtopia environment. All for $299 USD."

( Read More... | 22 of 42 comments )

sweet (-1, Redundant)

kaan (88626) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735254)

just imagine a beowolf cluster of these...

Re:sweet (1, Funny)

Channard (693317) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735294)

Just imagine running, PDA in hand, from SCO's keystone cops style lawyers to the sound of the Benny Hill show tune.

Re:sweet (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735351)

Can you imagine... a Beowulf cluster of New Linux-based PDAs SHOVED UP YOUR ASS?!!!

Can we say dork? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735309)

And you thought you couldn't get laid when you showed of your "regular" PDA. Just wait until you flash your Linux PDA.

Linux PDA? I don't get it (2, Interesting)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735335)

Call me naive, but is there really a purpose in having a multi-tasking, Unix-like kernel ... in a PDA?

Open source PDA operating system, OK I can see that. But why Linux? Seems to me somebody's just riding on buzzword cache without any regard to whether there's really any demand for a device like this.

Re:Linux PDA? I don't get it (1)

IvanCruz (316505) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735616)

Open source PDA operating system, OK I can see that. But why Linux?

To develop aplications right in your desktop with the same compiler, API and libraries you will have in your PDA.

I guess it doesn't matter.... (2, Insightful)

greymond (539980) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735376)

but does anyone else find the design monsterously ugly. It seems like a decent device - although I'll stick with my Zaurus, but unlike any of the other PDA's on the market this one just LOOKS ugly. I know that this could seem like a troll post, but honestly i'm sure there is others like me who don't like using ugly things - similar to my complaint with the Xbox Giganta controller - which was quickly replaced with a smaller one.

changeable kernel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735389)

Is this all source available product where I can swap out the linux kernel for a BSD kernel? If so, I'd buy 2 on the spot!

Not all that? (1)

dezoe (563775) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735404)

Kinda cheap looking, huh? Not impressing specs (need a CF slot!) and it looks like the buttons and cover will fall off on arrival..

A day late and a dollar short (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6735425)

What could they be thinking?

My Tungsten C has a 320x320 screen. This "new" PDA has the "old" Zaurus screen.

At least they could have used the Zaurus SL-C700 640x480 screen.

The Real Question (1)

rifter (147452) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735460)

Is this PDA going to actually come out, or is it more vapourware (like the original Agenda) or will it really, truly be available? It was a complete outrage what happened with the Agenda, when /. hyped the hell out of it, they took a bunch of orders and money and then did not deliver. I was going to buy one, and was glad I kept my money so they did not get it. So the question (beyond the unanswered question of what happened to everyone's money the first time) is will this "new company" actually deliver or just rip off the Linux community again?

ugly (1)

krokodil (110356) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735461)

it is indeed cool that it runs linux, but look at the pictures: it is offence to good taste.

Where WiFi? (1)

23skiddoo (31460) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735474)

I am waiting patiently for the PDA that would ideally run Linux, play stereo MP3s/oggs, with built-in WiFi. Usual PIM apps too, of course.


my $0.02

Form Factor is a Bit Dodgey (-1)

Real World Stuff (561780) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735520)

My concern is that the cover would be easily snapped off. For me, durability is more important than the OS. I don't necessarily want something ruggedized, but I don't want to worry too much about being gentle.

hmmmm.... (1)

BattleTroll (561035) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735649)

That has to be the ugliest PDA I've ever seen.

Does the price (1)

Znonymous Coward (615009) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735811)

include the $32 SCO embedded Linux license?

Once bitten twice shy (3, Interesting)

CountDown (694948) | more than 10 years ago | (#6735854)

Idunno. I have a VR3d. My second one(broke the first one). A lot of software was developed for the VR3 and things were going great, but the hardware just wasn't up to snuff. Broken screens, buttons, lids, and the occasional projectile stylus were more than the developer community could stand.

This new one looks too much like the old one. A revamped power system, more memory, expandability, and the reduction of buttons are all improvements, but the biggest problem with the VR3 was the screen.I will not buy the newest linux-based PDA until I see improvements to the case. The days when I would buy a block of wood with a penguin on it have passed.

I also have an IPAQ 3150(running Familiar Linux) and a Zaurus SL5000d. The Zaurus is my favorite. Native Linux, expandability, and durability seem to be its strong points.

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