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Samba Team Points Out SCO's Hypocrisy

CmdrTaco posted more than 11 years ago | from the sweet-sweet-irony dept.

Caldera 612

An anonymous reader noted an article talking about the Samba Team's Statement to SCO. While Darl McBride blasts the GPL, his company simultaneously announces the use of Samba 3 in their OpenServer product. I'm not sure if it breaks my heart or boils my blood to read this stuff. Probably a little of both.

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samba rules! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744629)

and stuff

gaydot (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744793)

is teh uber-sucks!

SCO (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744632)

on this frizisty pisostist

Personally... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744635)

I'm far more concerned that they're using Samba 3 at all. Samba has show itself time and again to be awfully insecure, and the latest version is unfinished and terribly slow.

samba team... (5, Funny)

havaloc (50551) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744638)

should ask SCO to pay for a license...

Re:samba team... (5, Informative)

akiaki007 (148804) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744742)

You can't ask for that under GPL. You can however ask for money to download. Though they can't single out individual computers and organizations, as that would be anti-competitive behaviour. So they can't do anything about it except the post they just made.

Re:samba team... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744860)

Actually that's not true. Businesses often bargain different deals with different companies.

Re:samba team... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744754)

They could, but they're taking the high road, as they say in their statement. Reading it, it's clear they are tempted to do more -- like maybe legal action. But that'd make them just like SCO, and who wants the Samba team to be that way?

So instead, just publicly and tersely call them hypocritic idiots and hope the wire services pick up on it. Makes sense to me.

Re:samba team... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744763)

Actually they should point out that SCO's interpretation of the GPL indicates that GPLed products are not legally licensed to be duplicated and distributed and thus by distributing a GPLed package, SCO is in violation of (their own interpretation of) copyright law.

Re:samba team... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744764)

Wheee...let's be hypocrites too!!!

MOD parent down (-2, Retarded)

Right ON (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744639)

Go SCO! You are only making us love you that much more. Please release a license un-envcumbered version of SCO Linux at once! I will be the first to buy it, one copy for each of my computers.

They can do that (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744640)

You can do that with SMP

goatse (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744642)

frist goatse mentioning post

Nice response (5, Insightful)

MadChicken (36468) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744643)

It's a bit frustrating, but a highly principled response. I respect that.

Re:Nice response (2, Insightful)

Derlum (216320) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744900)

It's a bit frustrating, but a highly principled response. I respect that.

Here, here. I have to agree that their stance does the Linux community and other GPL adopters a service, if only from a public relations point of view. Much more restraint than I would be able to muster.

If I ran the Samba team, I'd be pointing people to \\samba.org for all their SCO kernel source needs.

SCO has no strategy (4, Insightful)

nuggz (69912) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744644)

SCO is simply lacking a good corporate strategy.

They need to figure out if they will agree to the GPL, or fight it. They can't do both, or if they do someone has to get the cat to chase its tail.

This has been discussed repeatedly in the other SCO posts.

Re:SCO has no strategy (1, Informative)

Surak (18578) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744725)

Or maybe they do. Perhaps they'll violate the GPL by distributing Samba and not distributing the source. Or perhaps they'll even go so far as to distribute a MODIFIED Samba without source. THat would even be worse.

Re:SCO has no strategy (5, Informative)

Atzanteol (99067) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744827)

If you *read* the Gnu GPL, not that anybody does, it doesn't say that you must distribute source with the binaries. But that you must provide a means whereby the user can request the source code from you, and that you will give the source when requested. SCO could even charge you for the price of a medium on which to put the source and the price of mailing it to you. The catch here is that SCO would need to include a file or something that tells how to request the source, which I doubt they would do.

For some reason, everybody seems to think the GPL requires everything to be on a FTP site...

Re:SCO has no strategy (1)

akiaki007 (148804) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744796)

They need to figure out if they will agree to the GPL, or fight it. They can't do both, or if they do someone has to get the cat to chase its tail.

Why not? They are 2 seperate cases. IIRC, there was a case recently where 2 sons were each tried for murder of their father (parents?) and both found guilty, even though only one could have committed the murder.

2 seperate cases.

Re: SCO has no strategy (5, Insightful)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744883)


> SCO is simply lacking a good corporate strategy.

Actually they've adopted a consistent strategy of "say whatever sounds best at the moment", without the least concern for internal consistency. This is a common symptom among the advocates of pseudoscience, and IMO is the most revealing evidence we have that their case is entirely bogus. If they had a leg to stand on they'd stand on it.

Of course they have a strategy (4, Insightful)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744895)

It's called "Say anything to keep in the news. Run up stock price, allowing parent company to use stock to do complicated asset shifts to make itself seem more profitable then it really is. Have corporate officers sell inflated stock to suckers who aren't paying attention to the underlying issues. Cash out and live the good life."

The final components, "Sink face first in rancid dung in pit of hell. Writhe for all eternity." are an unintended consequence.

Really? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744645)

A. C. points out that water is wet and, get this kids, WHEELS ARE ROUND!!!

Neet-o Torpedo

SCO reply (5, Funny)

IFF123 (679162) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744649)

So when can we expect SCO to sue Samba? (I Assume they too infringle on SCO's code)

Re:SCO reply (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744729)

So when can we expect SCO to sue Samba?
Microsoft will do just that, if SCO succeeds...

Re:SCO reply (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744805)

Actually, Samba should sue SCO. If SCO wants to win their lawsuit against IBM, they'd have to lose a lawsuit brought by Samba against them. By putting SCO in a position to be on both sides of the GPL argument they have to choose which battle they want to lose.

Re:SCO reply (4, Funny)

c13v3rm0nk3y (189767) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744850)

...I Assume they too infringle on SCO's code...

I know it was a smple typo, but I love the word "infringle" you've invented.

in-frin-gle
v. in-frin-gled, in-frin-gling, in-frin-gles
v. tr.
  1. To appear to transgress or exceed the limits of; to not violate: infringle a contract; infringle a patent.
  2. Obsolete. To fail to defeat; to validate.

Well, what do you expect (3, Funny)

emtboy9 (99534) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744652)

from a company who has a lot of nebulous claims, and no substance... kind of like my ex-girlfriend.

All talk and no foreplay.

Re:Well, what do you expect (1)

RickL (64901) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744723)

Nebulous? No substance? Is your ex-girlfriend a ghost?

Re:Well, what do you expect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744735)

You had a girlfriend?

You post on slashdot?

You had sex?

Even if there wasn't foreplay, egads! what were you thinking!

Re:Well, what do you expect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744785)

All talk and no foreplay?

Sir, I suspect that your "ex" girlfriend never existed in the first place. Unless, of course,
she was one of Madam Palm's five daughters.

Ahhh (2, Funny)

CaptBubba (696284) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744656)

The noon SCO story. I an practically set my watch by it!

This is nothing new (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744657)

This is nothing new. It was covered in the last article.

text of article (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744660)

Over the past few months, the SCO (Santa Cruz Operation) Corporation (formerly Caldera International, Inc. a Linux distribution vendor) has been complaining about violations of its Copyright works by the Linux kernel code.

Recently, Darl McBride, the Chief Executive Officer of SCO has been making pejorative statements regarding the license used by the Linux kernel, the GNU GPL. In a keynote speech he recently said :

"At the end of the day, the GPL is not about making software free; it's about destroying value."

In light of this it is the depths of hypocrisy that at the same event SCO also announced the incorporation of the Samba3 release into their latest OpenServer product. Samba is an Open Source/Free Software project that allows Linux and UNIX servers to interoperate with Microsoft Windows clients. The reason for this is clear; Samba3 allows Linux and UNIX servers to replace Microsoft Windows NT Domain Controllers and will add great value to any Operating System which includes it. However, Samba is also developed and distributed under the GNU GPL license, in exactly the same manner as the Linux kernel code that SCO has been criticizing for its lack of care in ownership attribution.

We observe that SCO is both attacking the GPL on the one hand and benefiting from the GPL on the other hand. SCO can't have it both ways. SCO has a clear choice: either pledge not to use any Open Source/Free Software in any of their products, or actively participate in the Open Source/Free Software movement and reap the benefits. For SCO to continue to use Open Source/Free Software while attacking others for using it is the epitome of hypocrisy.

The strength of Open Source/Free Software is that it is available to all without restrictions on fields of endeavor, as the Samba Team believes the ability to freely use, modify and learn from software code is one of the grounding principles of computer science, and a basic freedom for all.

Because of this, we believe that the Samba must remain true to our principles and be freely available to use even in ways we personally disapprove of.

Even when used by rank hypocrites like SCO.

Jeremy Allison,
Marc Kaplan,
Andrew Bartlett,
Christopher R. Hertel,
Jerry Carter,
Jean Francois Micouleau,
Paul Green,
Rafal Szczesniak.

Samba Team.

MOD DOWN! TROLL ALERT! MOD DOWN! TROLL ALERT! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744752)

Moderators, if you read the text you find find the following in this sentance.

For SCO to continue to use Open Source/Free dildos while attacking others for using it is the epitome of hypocrisy.


Please mod troll.

A good start (5, Insightful)

Lord Custos (518206) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744662)

Especially considering that SCO's latest big project has to do with using Samba to link up to the newest peice of overhyped Microsoft vapourware.

Now all we need is for the Apache, X11 and all the *BSD groups to call SCO's bluff, thus drowning out the FUD.

SCO Resellers (5, Interesting)

MoxCamel (20484) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744667)

Quite frankly, if I were a SCO reseller, I'd be looking for the nearest life boat. (Unlike the Titanic, however, SCO actually steered itself into the ice berg.)

Linux and the GPL could potentially provide that life boat, although it's been my experience that the average SCO reseller is neither ncapable of innovation nor independent thought. Cactus is a good example. Their main product, Lone Tar, is nothing that GNU tar and a couple shell scripts (mostly for the "bootable" feature) couldn't replicate. To companies like this, it's still 1993.

Re:SCO Resellers - no friends of free software (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744772)

Most SCO resellers are simply wharehouse license suppliers; they take a cut, give someone a license, and do little else for the end users. These people are frankly scared about software freedom. It means they actually would have to do some work for their clients, rather than just be a middleman that collects money (with some off the top) and shipping license certificates. These are the people that cheared for McBride at SCOForum. Frankly, most SCO resellers are simply dynasours left over from the dawn of the IT age, they have no place in todays world, and would be irrelevent or at least would have to get off their lazy a** in a completely free one.

Re:SCO Resellers (1)

tarius8105 (683929) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744787)

Quite frankly, if I were a SCO reseller, I'd be looking for the nearest life boat. (Unlike the Titanic, however, SCO actually steered itself into the ice berg.)

Hmm so in this analogy...SCO would be the rats leaving the sinking ship? Thats the only good name I can think of for Darl McBride.

Re:SCO Resellers (5, Informative)

FatRatBastard (7583) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744891)

Some [yahoo.com] ain't [yahoo.com] happy [yahoo.com] at all. There seem to be a small core set of ISVs / Developer that are sticking by SCO, but according to this guy things aren't looking too healthy on the "product" side of SCO.

Samba team should... (3, Interesting)

tarius8105 (683929) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744669)

sue SCO for using their IP without a license...since SCO believes the GPL is invalid.

Re:Samba team should... (3, Insightful)

Dog and Pony (521538) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744792)

And then the Samba team wins... then what? ;-)

Re:Samba team should... (3, Interesting)

tarius8105 (683929) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744857)

And then the Samba team wins... then what? ;-)

Simple. More authors who have put their software under the GPL sue SCO for misappropriation of their IP since SCO claims the GPL is invalid. Thus SCO will face a furry similiar to the slashdot effect but with lawsuits.

SCO sues itself (5, Funny)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744670)

You watch, SCO is getting ready to sue itself. It makes sense, when you really hunker down and think about it

Re:SCO sues itself (1)

tarius8105 (683929) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744820)

You watch, SCO is getting ready to sue itself. It makes sense, when you really hunker down and think about it

I dont know, I think SCO is too stupid to sue themselves...but then again they have proved me wrong on how stupid they are.

Re:SCO sues itself (1)

Entropius (188861) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744826)

Don't give them any ideas--by doing so they could probably report their winnings (from themseves), but not their losses (to themselves) on their accounting statements, artificially inflating profits.

Didn't Enron do something similar (using some method other than a lawsuit to pay themselves)?

Full Text here (-1, Redundant)

numb (241932) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744673)

Over the past few months, the SCO (Santa Cruz Operation) Corporation (formerly Caldera International, Inc. a Linux distribution vendor) has been complaining about violations of its Copyright works by the Linux kernel code.

Recently, Darl McBride, the Chief Executive Officer of SCO has been making pejorative statements regarding the license used by the Linux kernel, the GNU GPL. In a keynote speech he recently said :

"At the end of the day, the GPL is not about making software free; it's about destroying value."

In light of this it is the depths of hypocrisy that at the same event SCO also announced the incorporation of the Samba3 release into their latest OpenServer product. Samba is an Open Source/Free Software project that allows Linux and UNIX servers to interoperate with Microsoft Windows clients. The reason for this is clear; Samba3 allows Linux and UNIX servers to replace Microsoft Windows NT Domain Controllers and will add great value to any Operating System which includes it. However, Samba is also developed and distributed under the GNU GPL license, in exactly the same manner as the Linux kernel code that SCO has been criticizing for its lack of care in ownership attribution.

e observe that SCO is both attacking the GPL on the one hand and benefiting from the GPL on the other hand. SCO can't have it both ways. SCO has a clear choice: either pledge not to use any Open Source/Free Software in any of their products, or actively participate in the Open Source/Free Software movement and reap the benefits. For SCO to continue to use Open Source/Free Software while attacking others for using it is the epitome of hypocrisy.

The strength of Open Source/Free Software is that it is available to all without restrictions on fields of endeavor, as the Samba Team believes the ability to freely use, modify and learn from software code is one of the grounding principles of computer science, and a basic freedom for all.

Because of this, we believe that the Samba must remain true to our principles and be freely available to use even in ways we personally disapprove of.

Even when used by rank hypocrites like SCO.

Jeremy Allison,
Marc Kaplan,
Andrew Bartlett,
Christopher R. Hertel,
Jerry Carter,
Jean Francois Micouleau,
Paul Green,
Rafal Szczesniak.

Samba Team.

How long? (1)

dauvis (631380) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744675)

Do you think it'll take for them to find something in SAMBA that infringes on their IP? What better way to improve products than to hijack someone else's work?

Can't someone... (0)

BJZQ8 (644168) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744676)

Can't someone just squash SCO and get it over with? If IBM, Redhat, Suse and whoever else would band together, I'm sure they could get enough to at least control the company's stock...I realize it would make millionaires out of the scum that run the company, but this is getting rediculous. Pretty soon they will claim ownership of Samba, too, after transplanting some of their ancient System V code. Then the lawsuits will start, and the FUD...but of course nothing but 1973 snippets of code will be available for anyone to look at...but oh boy! You Samba users really need to license our IP!

Re:Can't someone... (1)

dwgranth (578126) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744783)

dude, think about it before you post and give darl and chris more ideas... think about it... samba is used all over the place.. on sun systems, aix, hp-ux , you name it... just wait.. SCO is trying to take as much as they can get... or at least they are saying they deserve it ;P

Re:Can't someone... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744882)

IBM wants to see the GPL tested in court, to set precedent. Merkin proprietary companies (maiinly Microsoft) want to see the GPL invalidated, so they can continue down their path to total information flow control.

So BOTH sides want it to go to court.

Yep, slashdot are hypocrites. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744682)

The 5, funny mod is dished out to everyone when a microsoft cock up article is on, but when somebody dares to scorn linux, like the fact that debian uses the 2.0 kernel or the GUI sucks because of the filedialog and the lack of screen resoloution changing you get autmodded (almost as its like a script) -1, flamebait without ever explaining why.

Posting anonymously and through a proxy, sincerly Anonymous Coword.

Next headlines on slashdot. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744688)

SCO are just getting funnier and funnier. I can see the next few day's headlines on slashdot already

SCO Sue Microsoft for using SCO IP in Windows

SCO Sue Sony for using SCO IP in Playstation

SCO Sue mussolini and tito over insane dictatorship patents

Darl McBride snapped naked dancing around a burning effigy of Linus Torvalds.

I'll stop now. that last one scares me the most

Back to the playground (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744689)

Round and Round we go.

So if SCO is the Bully then how does everyone else fit in?

Samba would be the genius kid with glasses.

Redhat? etc...

Every time we mention SCO (4, Insightful)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744690)

A fairy dies, and another pointy haired idiot buys some SCOX shares at an inflated price, using the psuedo-logic that if there's nothing there to refute, why do we keep refuting it?

Enough already. They're little yapping dogs. Don't give them the attention they crave. There's no story here until and if they detail every last line of code and document why they think it's theirs.

Shush. Shush now.

Re:Every time we mention SCO (1)

Chewie (24912) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744751)

A fairy dies, and another pointy haired idiot buys some SCOX shares at an inflated price, using the psuedo-logic that if there's nothing there to refute, why do we keep refuting it?

Ah, yes, but when Big Blue et al. crush them (never thought I'd root for IBM vs a small company), those pointy-haired idiots will be out that money.

And I will laugh.

Re:Every time we mention SCO (1)

Rhubarb Crumble (581156) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744790)

A fairy dies, and another pointy haired idiot buys some SCOX shares at an inflated price, using the psuedo-logic that if there's nothing there to refute, why do we keep refuting it?

If it makes pointy haired idiots invest their money in (soon-to-be) worthless shares, shurely this is a good thing?

Re:Every time we mention SCO (1)

Jucius Maximus (229128) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744861)

"Every time we mention SCO A fairy dies, and another pointy haired idiot buys some SCOX shares at an inflated price, using the psuedo-logic that if there's nothing there to refute, why do we keep refuting it?"

It's called natural selection. My logic is that the world has an infinite supply of a-holes and idiots so there's no point about having our feathers ruffled about just some fools that buy SCO stock. There will always be fools and I shed no tears for them.

Re:Every time we mention SCO (1)

BrynM (217883) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744898)

"Unlike the Titanic, however, SCO actually steered itself into the ice berg."

SCO contributed ice cubes to the iceberg and helped set it afloat. They made the damn iceberg!

A fairy dies, (1)

bstadil (7110) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744889)

I have a hard time seeing how anyones sexual orientation dovetails with the supply and demand of SCOX,

Jokes aside the idiots buying SCOX are more likely to visit Yahoo boards and the like.

When I run out of SCO stuff here I go to Yahoo for daily dose of Vitriol. [yahoo.com] . Very entertaining

Site /.'ed and slow (-1, Redundant)

HavokDevNull (99801) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744697)

Text just in case

[ Thanks to Jeremy Allison - Samba Team for this release. ]

Over the past few months, the SCO (Santa Cruz Operation) Corporation (formerly Caldera International, Inc. a Linux distribution vendor) has been complaining about violations of its Copyright works by the Linux kernel code.

Recently, Darl McBride, the Chief Executive Officer of SCO has been making pejorative statements regarding the license used by the Linux kernel, the GNU GPL. In a keynote speech he recently said :

"At the end of the day, the GPL is not about making software free; it's about destroying value."

In light of this it is the depths of hypocrisy that at the same event SCO also announced the incorporation of the Samba3 release into their latest OpenServer product. Samba is an Open Source/Free Software project that allows Linux and UNIX servers to interoperate with Microsoft Windows clients. The reason for this is clear; Samba3 allows Linux and UNIX servers to replace Microsoft Windows NT Domain Controllers and will add great value to any Operating System which includes it. However, Samba is also developed and distributed under the GNU GPL license, in exactly the same manner as the Linux kernel code that SCO has been criticizing for its lack of care in ownership attribution.

We observe that SCO is both attacking the GPL on the one hand and benefiting from the GPL on the other hand. SCO can't have it both ways. SCO has a clear choice: either pledge not to use any Open Source/Free Software in any of their products, or actively participate in the Open Source/Free Software movement and reap the benefits. For SCO to continue to use Open Source/Free Software while attacking others for using it is the epitome of hypocrisy.

The strength of Open Source/Free Software is that it is available to all without restrictions on fields of endeavor, as the Samba Team believes the ability to freely use, modify and learn from software code is one of the grounding principles of computer science, and a basic freedom for all.

Because of this, we believe that the Samba must remain true to our principles and be freely available to use even in ways we personally disapprove of.

Even when used by rank hypocrites like SCO.

Jeremy Allison,
Marc Kaplan,
Andrew Bartlett,
Christopher R. Hertel,
Jerry Carter,
Jean Francois Micouleau,
Paul Green,
Rafal Szczesniak.

Samba Team.

SCO is merely giving everybody a reality check (-1, Flamebait)

RoshanCat (145661) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744698)

To all those ideological FSF guys who believed in source code sharing. What next? Open source zealots asking for free fuel, free shoes from the corporations which use Linux?

It was your decision to give stuff away. Don't expect sympathy if somebody tries to screw you by not giving anything back

Re:SCO is merely giving everybody a reality check (1)

shaldannon (752) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744800)

This isn't about someone trying to screw people by not giving back. This is about someone trying to screw people where they have absolutely no business sticking their ugly noses. Go back and read yesterday's analyses of some sample SCO code and the common genesis for it and the "infringing" Linux code. Pay particular attention to Bruce Perens' analysis on LWN (you do know who he is, right?).

In any case, you're raising a straw man. The open source community is not about getting a free ride off of everyone and everything. It is about sharing with the intent that everyone benefits from not having to reinvent the wheel.

Save your anti-theft tirades for the music, movie, and software sharing threads (which, incidentally, I will agree with you on).

We live in hypocrisy (0, Troll)

akiaki007 (148804) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744701)

Since when haven't we lived in it. The entire world is full of double-standards and self-contradiction which all ends up as hypocrisy. Do this in situation a, but this in situation b because each response will benefit the person performing the action.

It's all just bullshit, but what do you want? People will say the best of everything in order to benefit themselves. Why should this shock anyone? They are saying the best things of every situation. They are clearly putting things on the PR wire better than anyone else (IBM, RedHat), and until they other people involved do something you will only read about the success that SCO is having. Hypocratic or not. Just because something like this hits closer to home for some doesn't mean that it's any different than what most companies (or people) do.

The only thing that you (Taco and the readers) can do is stop "suckin it up and posting" and actually do soemthing about it. I wonder what an army of 10,000 penguin loving geeks could do...

They can't have it both ways... (4, Insightful)

Chordonblue (585047) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744720)

...or can they?

At least for a little while I suppose. Darl(ing) can keep shooting his mouth off all he wants, it'll just make the court case that much more interesting.

All this flap about how SCO hates the GPL is pure BS since they don't seem to have an problem using GCC and SAMBA. But when this all comes to court, they'll really have to decide which way it is - is the GPL legal or not? Because it's going to affect the future (if there is one) of their 'product'.

Of course, I'm still cynical enough to believe that this whole thing is an exercise in legality. SCO isn't looking to the future, well unless you're an exec dreaming about tropical climates.

And to quote JT Kirk... (1)

Chordonblue (585047) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744848)

WHERE THE HELL IS BOIES?!!

Anyone else here remember this clown? You know, the big shot lawyer who, on the first day made this big impression with everyone and was supposed to show up at various times (including during SCO's big show), and yet never has?

What a 'great' lawyer he's turned out to be. He's allowed his client to shoot off his mouth, display false or at the least misleading information and thereby created limitless liability for SCO. WHERE IS HE? I think he was rented for the publicity folks. Really.

I wonder about that don't you? Where IS he?

And SCO? To quote James T. Kirk:

"I... Have had... Enough.... Of... YOUUuuuuu...." - Just imagine that while getting a boot to the head.

For crying out loud already. (2, Interesting)

ShadeARG (306487) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744731)

C'mon now. At least add a SCO subtopic so this whole mess can be sifted through at a later date. Having it all filed under the Linux topic makes it quite a bit broader than it needs to be.

You'd think after two SCO updates a day eventually it would happen.. but no.. it hasn't.

Heh, this can get funny (3, Interesting)

dnaumov (453672) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744732)

Things could get really funny for SCO with this one... Imagine SCO goes to court, challenges the GPL and actually wins. What happens next? Well if GPL is invalid, then it's obvious that SCO is infringing on the copywrites of Samba developers by including Samba into their products.

Samba team suing SCO for copywrite infrigement ? ;)

Re:Heh, this can get funny (2, Funny)

jdreed1024 (443938) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744873)

Well if GPL is invalid, then it's obvious that SCO is infringing on the copywrites of Samba developers by including Samba into their products.

In theory, yes. However, few people are aware that SCO actually purchased the Samba Intellectual Property from Novell back in 1995. But you can't see the purchase agreement, because it's secret.

Re:Heh, this can get funny (1)

watzinaneihm (627119) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744884)

Unless somebody goes ahead and rules that GPL is equivalent to public domain or equal to BSD license. I wonder how much money will buy that kind of a judgement.

Re:Heh, this can get funny (4, Insightful)

Soko (17987) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744901)

I earlier hypothisized [slashdot.org] that SCO may try to prove that any code published under the GPL should not be covered by Copyright Law, but be put in the Public Domain. If they were (by some unfortunate circumstance) able to do this, then all of thier legal issues regarding the use of GPL code would vanish in a puff of smoke, and thier claims to all *NIX IP would suddenly gain a huge amount of credence. (For those of you wearing aluminum foil hats - Microsoft would be laughing all the way to the bank yet again, too...)

This seems to add some weight to my conjecture.

Soko

Which is worse? (3, Insightful)

azaris (699901) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744744)

(Allegedly) taking source from someone elses commercial product and appropriating it in your public domain product?

-or-

Taking a product from the public domain and appropriating it for your own commercial purposes?

-or-

Taking source from the public domain, incorporating large bits of it in your commercial product, claiming suddenly you own it and threatening to sue everybody who took advantage of the same PD source because both your code looks similar?

You forgot: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744894)

-or-

Having sex with a female zebra in heat?

Linux Today's layout (0, Offtopic)

Otter (3800) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744747)

Off-topic, but probably as worthwhile as more raving about SCO:

I used to read, or at least skim, Linux Today pretty regularly. Then a few months ago they switched to that new layout with gigantic font sizes in a tiny band of text squeezed between a sidebar on the left and ads on the right. Maybe it's just my browser settings but I see it in Mac IE, OS X Mozilla and Konqueror.

It's crossed the "worth a glance" threshold for me now that each front page headline occupies a third of my screen space. And reading forum comments would burn out my PageDown key...

BOSTON FLASH MOB #2 - TOMORROW (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744753)

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Of course... (0, Troll)

bobtheheadless (467304) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744757)

they're going to use, and continue to use, open sourced software when it is good for business. Every publicly traded company has the responsibility to its shareholders to make as much money as possible by whatever means possible. Sueing, stealing, lying... all part of the fun the is... Corporate America! Yay!

Ditry Hands concept (1)

bstadil (7110) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744758)

This is somewhat good as this will make it much harder for SCO to touch the GPL.

They have Dirty Hands in the eyes of a judge and will have a hard time arguing against GPL (In addition to all the other comments about GPL mentioned umpteen times at /.)

Go Samba! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744766)


I, for one, welcome our new Samba overlords. I'd like to remind them that as a slashdot poster, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground GPL caves.

How SCO is doing financially (2, Interesting)

Vexler (127353) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744768)

I don't know exactly how they are doing financially right now (although news coverage a while ago pegged them at the "Not Good" category), but SCO must *really* be in dire straits to make this type of hail-mary, last-ditched attempt at making a buck.

I guess this is the type of "if-we-are-going-down-we-will-take-with-us-as-many -as-we-can" behaviour that is at once laughable and despicable.

SCO users depend on GNU (5, Informative)

eric76 (679787) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744771)

One of the SCO articles of the last few hours quotes SCO users as saying that SCO's utilities are useless and they depend on GNU to be able to do anything.

From SCO users divided over GPL [infoworld.com] :

"The OpenServer compiler is crap. Without (the GCC) they would be up the creek," said Hans Anderson, the director of software development with Price Data Systems in Louisville, Kentucky.

Be careful (1)

deadgoon42 (309575) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744773)

The Samba team might not want to mess with SCO too much. SCO might "find" some of their IP in Samba and sue them.

I don't understand who buys it (1)

richman555 (675100) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744774)

Who actually uses SCO? And why? What is its value? Im sure there has to be something their software is good for... isn't there?

Let's see now... (1)

Leomania (137289) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744789)

SCO's actions boil down to "What's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine, even if it's not, but it is because I say so." So this is completely consistent of them. It would be more shocking to find that they didn't use Samba in their OpenServer product, frankly.

- Leo

SCO against GPL? Not according their website... (2, Informative)

Mister Agony (699922) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744807)

http://www.sco.com/products/openserver507/features /open_source_tools.html Strange...

BOSTON FLASH MOB - TOMORROW (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744821)

INVITATION FOR MOB #2
You are invited to an inexplicable Mob this Thursday, August 21st. Start time: Sometime around 7:10 PM. Duration: 15 minutes or so.

(0) Pre-event preparation: Sign up at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BostonFlashMob/ so you will receive the final instructions on the day of the event. Please bring to the event a small bag containing three wrapped candies, and a non-perishable food item.

(1) At some point during the day on August 21st, synchronize your watch to: http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?Eastern/d/-5/java /java. (If that site doesn't work for you, try http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?Eastern/d/-5.)

(2) After 6:10 PM please situate yourselves in a location which will allow you to receive email and yet be in the vicinity of the Boston Common by 7:10.

(3) At 6:10 PM an email will be sent out with the event instructions. The instructions will specify the mob site, and the duration. The instructions should give you all the information you need.

In order to make the best of a bad situation, we are going to send out final instructions electronically this time. Please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BostonFlashMob/ in order to sign up for our new mailing list. Best would probably be the email address for a wireless device. Please pass this on to as many people you know as possible.

One has nothing to do with the other (-1, Troll)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744822)

SCO can't have it both ways. SCO has a clear choice: either pledge not to use any Open Source/Free Software in any of their products, or actively participate in the Open Source/Free Software movement and reap the benefits

Why the hell not? You bitch about restrictive MSFT EULA's but you still run Windows (ya ya only for games, but still). You bitch about proprietary lockdowns, but you buy iPods and G5 Macs.

You dont have to like the GPL to use it. I use GPL'd software, and I personally dont like it, nor do I consider it a truly free license, compared BSD's "do whatever the fuck you want we dont care" mentality.

This just shows that the GPL is more of a cult/religion than a software license.

In other news... (5, Funny)

Dark Lord Seth (584963) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744824)

The Samba released a version of Samba with a security hole big enough to sneak a small african country through. Following the disclosure of the exploit, the Samba team released a patch which, according to the grinning spokesperson of the Samba team, "... is vastly incompatible with any SCO product or system.". Further commentary from the Samba team is unavailable as no one was able to regain composure after laughing at the latest SCO news on slashdot regarding the security hole.

"I find this unacceptable and immoral!", according to Darl McBride, who further commented "Have we sued them yet? Have we? No? Sue them! ... What do you mean, 'no legal grounds'?! Goddamn you Chris, you lazy bastard! Just think up some crap for a reason to sue them! Hey, is that mic still on?". Currently, in another barrage of lawsuits, the SCO group filed suit against the Samba team but refuses to disclose what they are actually suing for and also sued this press agency for using copyrighted SMP code in our programs. Our resident VB coder was puzzled. "Is that even possible? Maybe you should ask the HTML guy..."

No shame )-: (2, Interesting)

twocents (310492) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744833)

From http://www.sco.com/products/openserver507/features /

Integration of Open Source Tools

* Java JDK 1.3.1 and Java runtime
* Graphics, Web, and X-11 libraries
* Samba, Squid, OpenSSL, and OpenSSH
* BIND, FTP, IP Filter, PHP, XML, ASP
* DocView (online documentation system)
* libc from SCO UnixWare 7.1.3
* GNU Compiler Collection, GNU debugger, GNU diff, wget, and CVS
* Mozilla and Netscape Communicator
* UnixWare and OpenServer Development Kit 7.1.3

Fuck EM! (2, Insightful)

Trolling4Dollars (627073) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744843)

Just make it so that the Samba code won't run on SCO's products. This is the wisest approach because it's tit for tat. If we pussyfoot around saying that we're going to stick to our ideals while other people abuse them, then we are nothing more than doormats.

Yes slashdot are hypocrites. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744846)

The 5, funny mod is dished out to everyone when a microsoft cock up article is on, but when somebody dares to scorn linux, like the fact that debian uses the 2.0 kernel or the GUI sucks because of the filedialog and the lack of screen resoloution changing you get autmodded (almost as its like a script) -1, flamebait without ever explaining why. I think ALL moderations must be explained with at least a 10 word sentance and make metamoderation 'unfair' punishements more brutal.

Posting anonymously and through a proxy, sincerly Anonymous Coword.

Entrapment? (3, Interesting)

BrynM (217883) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744847)

SCO sells me Linux (Caldera). They let me take it home and install it. They then sue me because I have their (alleged)roprietary/copyrighted/patented material, saying that I am breaking the law for using what they sold me. They tell me that the license that they sold it to me under is illegal, so I owe them money for a new license, while they still utilize that license themselves in the manner that they said that I can't.

Isn't that entrapment? Do you have to be a law enforcement agency to entrap? If it's not entrapment, could it be considered extortion? Since they sold me the license, are they an accessory to the crime? If we are guilty, arent they too?

I usually have a more level head than this, but I can't hold it back any longer; Fuck you Darl. If your were standing in front of me, I'd bitchslap you myself. Twice.

Gratuitous SP reference (4, Funny)

TClevenger (252206) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744849)

I'm not sure if it breaks my heart or boils my blood to read this stuff.

"No, no. We need to freeze his hot heart with a cool island song."

Broken Heart/Boiling Blood (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744855)

I'm not sure if it breaks my heart or boils my blood to read this stuff.

Actually, boiling blood is the leading cause of a broken heart.

Things keep looking worse for SCO's legal strategy (0)

AciDive (543624) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744856)

If SCO keeps doing things like this then they will not have any legal ground left to fight on. I think everyone should just stand by and watch as SCO pulls their lawyers legal ground out from under them and lets see how much of there legal strategy is left when they are done. With some of the supposed copyright infringing code posted to the web earlier that was proven to be public code and now this I don't think they will have much left by months end. IMHO mod done if you don't like it.

And SCO is down (2, Informative)

edgrale (216858) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744859)

As seen here [yahoo.com] SCO is down some 2.39% today. 10 bucks for air is still a lot.

Terrorism Link (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744868)

Does anybody still remember how SCO tried to link Linux to international terrorism because IBM makes export restricted technologies like SMP available to rouge nations? For at least two days they said that would be the reason to pull IBM's license. Then the story changed about a million times (copyright, then contract issue, then GPL, now contract again). Is SMB export restricted? Are those evil Samba hackers terrorists just like as that Linux bunch?

hypocrisy (1)

h4x0r-3l337 (219532) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744876)

From the article: SCO has a clear choice: either pledge not to use any Open Source/Free Software in any of their products, or actively participate in the Open Source/Free Software movement and reap the benefits.

Those are not the only choices. The option that SCO is pursuing appears to be to declare the GPL invalid, at which point they hope to be able to grab any piece of GPL'd software and make it their own. That's not hypocrisy, that's strategy.

6744869th post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6744880)

6744869th post

More scarry... (1)

bobtheheadless (467304) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744892)

Ya know, I have had this sinking feeling for awhile that perahps there is something else going on... I mean, obviously SCO appears to be acting very stupid.

But what if they have some other plan? Maybe they know they won't beat the GPL, and something else is up their sleeves? Or they have some silver bullet that will somehow win the day? Or maybe a plan so thoughtfully mastercrafted that Dr. Evil himself would be impressed...

Hm. It just doesn't make any sense... maybe in 3 or so months we'll all be going "shit... wow we sure got rogered on this one..."

SCO Please, Sue Me First. (0)

Goner (5704) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744893)

Dear SCO Group,
My life has been lacking any good legal excitement since I gave up watching Law & Order and I need more street credibility in the Open Source world. I would been honored if your group sued me for using Linux on my home computer. Please don't sue me for using it on my work computer, because that would open up a much larger can of worms for your organization.

I realize that I have very little cash on hand to pay a legal defense team to handle my case, but my lack of resources will be a bounty for your crack legal team.

Please contact me at nutate @ hotmail . com with the subject: "We would like to sue you."

Thanks,
R. Seymour

a conceptual re-wording possible? (1)

http (589131) | more than 11 years ago | (#6744896)

Samba team said,
"For SCO to continue to use Open Source/Free Software while attacking others for using it is the epitome of hypocrisy. "

True! But Darl said,
"At the end of the day, the GPL is not about making software free; it's about destroying value"

So it could be argued that the Samba team has not gone far enough, and could have said:
For SCO to continue to use Open Source/Free Software while attacking others for contributing to it is the epitome of hypocrisy.

Does Darl have parents we can call?
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