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Anonymous User Challenges RIAA Subpoena

michael posted about 11 years ago | from the stand-up-stand-up-stand-up-for-your-rights dept.

The Courts 411

Arclightfire writes "First there was the setback of a New England judge throwing out an attempt to uncover the names of students at MIT accused of piracy and now CNet is reporting that a 'Jane Doe' is arguing that the subpoena violates her right to due process." There's also a Reuters story.

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First attempt @ FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6764797)

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Re:First attempt @ FP (-1, Offtopic)

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Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6764873)


File swapper fights RIAA subpoena

By John Borland
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
August 21, 2003, 3:58 PM PT

update An anonymous California computer user went to court Thursday to challenge the recording industry's file-trading subpoenas, charging that they are unconstitutional and violate her right to privacy.

The legal motion, filed in Washington, D.C., federal court by a "Jane Doe" Internet service subscriber, is the first from an individual whose personal information has been subpoenaed by the Recording Industry Association of America in recent months.

The RIAA has used court orders to try to identify more than 1,000 computer users it alleges have been offering copyrighted songs on file-trading networks. It plans to use the information gained to file copyright lawsuits against the individuals.

The motion was filed by a pair of Sacramento, Calif., attorneys who said the RIAA had gone too far in its effort to protect its online copyrights.

"This is more invasive than someone having secret access to the library books you check out or the videos you rent," Glenn Peterson, one of the attorneys, said in a statement. "The recent efforts of the music industry to root out piracy have addressed a uniquely contemporary problem with Draconian methods--good old-fashioned intimidation combined with access to personal information that would make George Orwell blush."

The Jane Doe motion comes as the first individual legal response to the RIAA's effort to sue large numbers of file swappers. It follows similar legal challenges from several Internet service providers (ISPs) and colleges, including Pacific Bell Internet Services, an SBC Communications subsidiary.

A Massachusetts federal court has already ruled that some of the group's subpoenas, submitted to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Boston College, had not followed the correct legal process and were therefore invalid. That court left open the possibility that the RIAA could simply refile those subpoenas properly, however.

According to documents filed with the court, Jane Doe used the Kazaa file-swapping software as a music player largely to listen to songs she had ripped from her own CDs and to music that came pre-loaded on her family computer. She also "participated" in the Kazaa file-swapping community, like Taco participates in anal intercourse with children, but tried to prevent other people from accessing files on her computer, the documents state.

On July 9, the RIAA sent her ISP, Verizon Communications, a subpoena seeking her name, address, phone number and e-mail address. Verizon contacted the anonymous subscriber on July 15, telling her that the group was targeting her. After consulting with attorneys, she asked Verizon to delay providing her information, because she would fight the request.

The action filed Thursday is still a preliminary step before settling down to fight on constitutional or other grounds. Because the RIAA document was seeking information from Verizon, not directly from her, she must first petition the court for the right to challenge the subpoena herself.

In their briefs, her attorneys argued that the RIAA's unconventional subpoena process has violated her rights to due process, privacy and anonymous association, along with her contract with Verizon.

For its part, the RIAA said that Jane Doe's motion to intervene matters little, because a federal court has already upheld the validity of the subpoena process.

"The courts have already ruled that you're not anonymous when you're publicly distributing music online," said Matt Oppenheim, senior vice president at the RIAA. "Her lawyers are trying to obtain a free pass to download or upload music online illegally. Their arguments have already been addressed by federal court and been rejected."

The Electronic Frontier Foundation, a digital civil liberties group, is also working with some individuals who say their screen names have been the subject of RIAA subpoenas, but it has not yet filed any challenges with the court. However, the group said in other kinds of cases such as libel and defamation, the law allows individuals to intervene in ISP subpoenas when their privacy is at stake.

"The most important issue is that if you are innocent, if the RIAA has screwed up, it is critical that individuals have the ability to challenge the subpoenas before their identifies are compromised," said Fred von Lohmann, an EFF attorney.

this isn't going to do anything for the community. (5, Interesting)

garcia (6573) | about 11 years ago | (#6764799)

"The most important issue is that if you are innocent, if the RIAA has screwed up, it is critical that individuals have the ability to challenge the subpoenas before their identifies are compromised," said Fred von Lohmann, an EFF attorney.

Definitly. Problem here is this: She also "participated" in the Kazaa file-swapping community but tried to prevent other people from accessing files on her computer, the documents state. So, while she was using it as a media player (*cough*) she was also "participating" (whatever that means). Just because she "tried to block it" doesn't excuse her. This isn't going to help the public much.

Just my worthless .02

Re:this isn't going to do anything for the communi (5, Funny)

iMMersE (226214) | about 11 years ago | (#6764845)

That's right, leechers should go to prison!

Re:this isn't going to do anything for the communi (2, Interesting)

trompete (651953) | about 11 years ago | (#6765021)

At least clients/networks like eMule reward people for uploading and allowing incoming connections. During busy times, leechers on eMule have to wait about 4-5 times as long for files. I wish that eMule had an option to ban them all together, but when eMule servers get really busy, the leechers, or "LOW ID" people, can't get a single file.

Re:this isn't going to do anything for the communi (4, Interesting)

joel8x (324102) | about 11 years ago | (#6764856)

So, while she was using it as a media player (*cough*) she was also "participating" (whatever that means)

In her defense, I have gone to uninstall Kazaa on people's machines, and there are some that really do believe that its the only way to listen to their MP3's. I often have to explain to them that there are many other players out there that work better! The vast majority of casual users out there really just don't know any better, and that fact may have a major impact on these subpoenas. How do you prove that someone is computer literate enough to know they were doing something wrong?

Re:this isn't going to do anything for the communi (4, Insightful)

TopShelf (92521) | about 11 years ago | (#6764904)

That's a pretty lame excuse... I have several friends who have used Kazaa, most of which are PC novices, and everybody knew it first and foremost as a passport to free music. I don't think that argument will hold any water in court, particularly since(as noted above), she admits "participating" in the sharing network. There are plenty of reasons to despise the RIAA and their tactics, but this lady better have something good up her sleeve...

Re:this isn't going to do anything for the communi (1, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | about 11 years ago | (#6764921)

this person knows how to rip her own music from CD. She's not using Kazaa to listen to her collection.

This isn't Joe Blow downloading songs and thinking that he has to use Kazaa to listen to them.

Re:this isn't going to do anything for the communi (1)

whatch durrin (563265) | about 11 years ago | (#6764991)

Regardless, since when is ignorance an excuse?

Granted, if she didn't know that by running Kazaa she was serving files, the judge could be lenient. This could also get thrown back at Kazaa for users "not knowing" that the program was sharing their files.

Re:this isn't going to do anything for the communi (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6765042)

ignorance under the law is no excuse.

I don't buy it. (4, Insightful)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | about 11 years ago | (#6765003)

Unless I missed something kazaa is windows only. And windows by default uses its own mediaplayer as the standard program for playing MP3s.

If you download an mp3, get it of a cd, you will open it and play it with MS installed apps.

So how exactly would a complete and utter noob get to install kazaa to play an Mp3? I know far more people that are convinved that Windows Media Player is the only way to play their music, and who think that since it has windows in front of it Linux can't play Mp3s.

Oh and yes they are of course right. Kernels are well known for not playing music :)

Re:I don't buy it. (5, Informative)

pyros (61399) | about 11 years ago | (#6765067)

People who think they have to use kazaa to download music will most likely think they must use kazaa to play what they downloaded with it, most likely because they don't know how to get to the files with some other application (like the file browser).

me: "Where are all your downloaded files?
user: "In Kazaa."

There's a button on the toolbar to show you all the files in your shared folder, and it breaks them down by media type, and you can play them from there.

Re:this isn't going to do anything for the communi (0)

CausticWindow (632215) | about 11 years ago | (#6765008)

Well, atleast here in the US, ignorance is no defence.

I don't know how that works out for you europeans though.

Re:this isn't going to do anything for the communi (5, Insightful)

Roofus (15591) | about 11 years ago | (#6764865)

It seems to me that whether she is guilty or innocent is irrelevent. The complaint here is that the RIAA is "circumventing" due process with their subpoenas, and it needs to be corrected.

Re:this isn't going to do anything for the communi (1)

Dutchmaan (442553) | about 11 years ago | (#6765006)

The consitution is, in effect, the DMCA for the law itself!

So in effect... this is a true battle of corporate law vs. political law.

Will the RIAA be allowed to circumvent the law of the people in order to persecute a person based on a law of the people (established by and benefitting corporations).

This is more "contemporary political reality" raising it's ugly head.

Re:this isn't going to do anything for the communi (5, Informative)

Christianfreak (100697) | about 11 years ago | (#6764891)

Uhh while that may be true you didn't closely read the article. The main argument is that the RIAA's tactics are unconstitutional because they violate due process. Sure she's going to say she didn't do anything wrong but even if she did I think the case has merit on the grounds of the due process argument and that would very much help the public.

Re:this isn't going to do anything for the communi (3, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | about 11 years ago | (#6764920)

you could quite easily use it to show what kind of music you like, for example. and still not really share anything(because you have set the speed to zero, or by other means).

it's not illeagal to simply use kazaa now is it? it's ridiculous how riaa acts as a police(and court) on what you're allowed to do. it's not riaa's job, if they see something wrong going on shouldn't they report it to a 3rd party(mainly, the police) that is supposed to punish law breakers? or should i as a normal man be responsible for trying to catch pickpockets and have the power and ability to sentence them on the spot too? if so what use there of a court system that's meant to provide fair hearing and sentences.

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Re:this isn't going to do anything for the communi (1)

LuYu (519260) | about 11 years ago | (#6765063)

You have not heard much about the DMCA, have you?

Re:this isn't going to do anything for the communi (4, Insightful)

cavemanf16 (303184) | about 11 years ago | (#6764937)

Ah, but no one has ever proven in a court of law that trading/sharing files on a P2P network is illegal. Maybe they've proven that people downloading them *can potentially* damage their industry, but it's never been proven illegal to share files. Not only that, what if someone is using a file-sharing system to download the music, listen once, then delete the file? That is a legit use, just like me handing a tape to my friend to listen to for a week is a legit "fair use" doctrine. What the RIAA is so scared of, ultimately, is that it's near impossible to actually make it harder to share the files. In the days of cassette's and CD's you either bought a recordable tape to dub your friend's CD or tape, or you you couldn't get a copy of it. It's almost worth the extra $5 to just buy the full tape. But now you don't need to buy anything other than the computer and internet connection to get TONS of stuff for *nearly* free. The cost is far, far less. So the RIAA and MPAA see their profits dwindle because they've got nothing new or innovative to offer. Guess what, that's their problem, not mine. And no, they cannot abuse the law to force me to do it their way. That's a monopoly, and what even bigger industry giants like Microsoft have already been convicted of.

I say more power to this anonymous "Jane Doe." She'll most likely win.

It does not matter (5, Insightful)

LuYu (519260) | about 11 years ago | (#6764974)

As a couple of others have pointed out, it does not matter if she is guilty or not. She could be the bloody Boston Strangler (and I am sure Jack Valenti would liken her to that) for all anybody should care. Rights are something that everybody has, and they have to be protected.

She is innocent until proven guilty (remember that phrase?). In other words, she is innocent until convicted in another trial with another jury completely unrelated to this.

The RIAA and the record industry as a whole are on trial here, not Jane Doe.

She should have your blessing, too, because she is fighting for your freedom from tyranny.

Re:It does not matter (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6765080)

this is civil action. It doesn't matter. OJ was criminally found innocent and then found to owe money in civil court.

Re:this isn't going to do anything for the communi (5, Informative)

Troed (102527) | about 11 years ago | (#6765083)

In Sweden it's currently (come Jan 1st most certainly) legal to _download_ but not to _upload_. I.e - using KaZaa is perfectly legal as long as you don't share yourself.

YODA IS ON TEH SCENE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6764804)

RIAA = more American crap (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6764806)

God Bless America

God Bless America, with the worst crime levels in the first world
God Bless America, where "democracy" means a rich, white male as Presiden t
God Bless America, the biggest consumer of the world's natural resources
God Bless America, where "freedom of speech" means race-hate groups like KKK
God Bless America, and its massive and ever-growing poverty gap
God Bless America, with the highest obesity levels in the developed world
God Bless America, all its appalling "sitcoms" with no grasp of irony
God Bless America, because corporations should be allowed to run amok
God Bless America, wasting billions to attack foreign countries

God Bless America, and thank God I don't have to live there.

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Re:RIAA = more American crap (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6764875)

I know this is a troll but I think I should make an example of it. Specifically

"God Bless America, where "freedom of speech" means race-hate groups like KKK"

While I personally disagree with the KKK I actually find catholics [and what not] more harmful for the welfare of mankind than the KKK will ever be.

Does this mean I should go out and ban the churches because I diagree? Hell no. I avoid churches, I actively disparage the church but I don't enforce my views on others.

Same thing with the KKK. They hate others. That's their right todo. And when/if they commit crimes against others they will report to the authorities just like anyone else.

Re:RIAA = more American crap (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6764924)

Does this mean I should go out and ban the churches because I diagree? Hell no. I avoid churches, I actively disparage the church but I don't enforce my views on others.

You just did you mouth-breathing no neck. And I think you meant 'force' not 'enforce' unless you're the fucking Punisher. What a dolt.

Mad! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6764811)

How cool is it that the name of the one person who has so far stood up again this is very similar to John Doe?

In the finest tradition... (-1, Offtopic)

Marxist Commentary (461279) | about 11 years ago | (#6764815)

Doe vs Wade...

f p uway (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6764820)

triple p in this thang

O/T (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6764821)

Will one of you dorks explain to me what the hell FLCL (Fooly Cooly) is supposed to be about?

Is that japanese porn? There's no tentacles, but plenty of elementary schoolchildren involved in sexual situations.

Is that like some space chick who hits a kid with her guitar and makes robots come out of his head?

Seriously what the fuck?

And while I'm on the subject, what's the deal with Vash the stampede? Is he an alien or a robot or some shit?

I'm trying to enjoy japanese culture but it makes no fucking sense.

Please help me out here.

Re:O/T (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6764854)

IMHO: FLCL is a social commentary, watch many times to understand. You've about summed up all the salient points, though. --- possible spoiler? --- and yes, vash is an alien. watch later episodes.

Re:O/T (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6764947)

I watched Trigun through to the end. Could never tell if he (and his brother) were aliens or just a special magical dude. Who's Rem? Why are there demons chasing him? If they're demons isnt he an angel? I figured maybe thats where they were going with all the religious imagery.

Wolfwoods crucifix-gun is pretty cool though. The show should have been about him.

By the way saying "FLCL is a social commentary" is a non-answer.

It reminds me of the Seinfeld where Elaine goes to the New Yorker to have them explain why the cartoon was supposed to be funny.

And why is Blue Gender so retarded and boring?

And what the hell is Big O about? Everyone lost their memory and he has a giant battle mecha? Wha?

God bless the japanese, but they dont make ANY FUCKING SENSE.

Anonymous Coward? (2, Funny)

scalis (594038) | about 11 years ago | (#6764828)

"Anonymous User Challenges RIAA Subpoena" ...And he still cant post at score above 0 on slashdot. I didnt give much for this anonymous coward person until now. He should be a hero!

Money Money Money (5, Insightful)

koniosis (657156) | about 11 years ago | (#6764844)

I'm just curious as to how much money the RIAA is spending on all these court battles (which they will be foreced into)! Maybe they should be spending that money on finding new Artists or reducing the cost of exsiting material? Perhaps even setting up their own "online" song distribution system (as theres obviously a market for it [iTunes etc])

Re:Money Money Money (5, Informative)

jokell82 (536447) | about 11 years ago | (#6764888)

The RIAA is not responsible for finding artists. That's the job of the labels. The RIAA is just a group of the top record companies that formed to retain the rights of the companies (read: make sure they get all the money they can while screwing over whoever they need to).

But I do agree, they could definitely be spending money elsewhere. They're trying to fix a bullet hole with a bandaid.

Re:Money Money Money (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6764949)

perhaps SCO should stop trying to take people to court over frivolous lawsuits and instead create some decent software.

Forget it, this is the new wave. Make money by suing.

Re:Money Money Money (2, Insightful)

djeaux (620938) | about 11 years ago | (#6764958)

Maybe they should be spending that money on finding new Artists or reducing the cost of exsiting material? Perhaps even setting up their own "online" song distribution system (as theres obviously a market for it [iTunes etc])

<gasp> Heaven forbid that RIAA actually encourage the "industry" to focus on its product & distribution system! What they want is FREE MONEY by forcing folks to pay for inferior product that can only be obtained online through "illegal" means.

Has anyone ever checked the bitrate of most tunes on P2P systems? Sucky almost-FM-Quality with that "loss of midrange" inherent to mp3s. So is RIAA now going to have subpoenas packaged with FM receivers & cassette decks?

I applaud "Jane Doe" for finally pushing the resistance as a due process issue, which is what it is. However, "due process" is immaterial as long as John Ashcroft is Attorney General. And the only way to change that, /.ers is to vote accordingly in November 2004. If you get to vote in November 2004...

Re:Money Money Money (3, Insightful)

koniosis (657156) | about 11 years ago | (#6765040)

Agreed, I would pay to download High quality music, with a decent bit rate and no distortion. But don't get me wrong I won't pay $0.99 a track like that M$ freak of a music site (which is America only anyway), I checked it out, most albums require you buy each track on the album seperately, come on who is going to pay $20 for a 20 track album, it costs that much or less in the shops?!? The whole point is you cut out the shop, thus apparently making it cheaper?

Kazza's media player (3, Insightful)

brokencomputer (695672) | about 11 years ago | (#6764849)

She mainly uses kazza to listen to music ripped from her CD collection and tries to prevent people from accessing her collection? that sounds a little fishy but it is irrelevent. The point is the unconstitutional methods used by the RIAA

Lots of people use Kazza to listen to MP3s. (2, Interesting)

Viewsonic (584922) | about 11 years ago | (#6764999)

Instead of Media Player and WinAmp .. Just because you don't, doesn't mean everyone else does. It comes back to the ole gun arguement again .. Lots of different uses, but just by owning one doesn't make you a killer. The RIAA simply cannot be allowed to be above the law, ever. They must be reigned in, and some of the senators are noticing the victims of this are mostly innocent and the punishment is not fitting the crime. $11k fines for a swapped song? Try $5.

Re:Lots of people use Kazza to listen to MP3s. (1)

brokencomputer (695672) | about 11 years ago | (#6765032)

your analogy doesnt make sense. When one uses kazza it increases the bandwidth of the p2p network. When one owns a gun it doesnt cause other peoples guns to kill more people. I do agree however that the RIAA is totally unconstitutional. I also think she wasnt doing anything wrong.

Is Matt Oppenheim a lawyer? (5, Interesting)

dpille (547949) | about 11 years ago | (#6764851)

"The courts have already ruled that you're not anonymous when you're publicly distributing music online," said Matt Oppenheim, senior vice president at the RIAA. "Her lawyers are trying to obtain a free pass to download or upload music online illegally. Their arguments have already been addressed by federal court and been rejected."

Seems to me like this is an entirely different set of issues. As far as I know, the courts never addressed this on an individual, MY-rights-are-violated level. Surely her privacy rights are a lot stonger when asserted on her own behalf than when an ISP says they shouldn't have to disclose identities because that might be bad for whoever that might be that isn't represented in this hearing.

Who says? (5, Insightful)

Phroggy (441) | about 11 years ago | (#6764852)

For its part, the RIAA said that Jane Doe's motion to intervene matters little, because a federal court has already upheld the validity of the subpoena process.

"The courts have already ruled that you're not anonymous when you're publicly distributing music online," said Matt Oppenheim, senior vice president at the RIAA. "Her lawyers are trying to obtain a free pass to download or upload music online illegally. Their arguments have already been addressed by federal court and been rejected."


The obvious problem with this is: who says she's "publicly distributing music online"? A court of law? A judge? No, just the RIAA. Sure, it may later be shown that she was, in fact, doing what they claim. They may have enough evidence against her to convince a judge to issue a warrant or a subpoena. Or, the RIAA may have made a mistake again. We have legal procedures in place to prevent abuse of the system, and these procedures are not being followed. In the past, the RIAA hasn't been exactly careful [slashdot.org] when determining who is or is not distributing copyrighted MP3s.

Even scarier:

"We informed the recording industry that one of our customers intended to challenge and asked the RIAA to deal with the lawyers directly.

Instead, according to Deutsch, the RIAA went to court recently and filed a motion to compel Verizon to provide the name.


Surprisingly (for those of us who have long considered them to be an evil company), Verizon is clearly doing all the right things here. They're only doing what they've already been forced by a court to do [slashdot.org] .

I wish Jane Doe the best of luck. She'll need it. Oh, and by the way, the first article mentions the EFF is working on fighting this too; they're always accepting donations.

Re:Who says? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6764935)

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great idea (1, Insightful)

dasalvagg (667838) | about 11 years ago | (#6764870)

now where can i send contributions? i'm sure fighting the riaa will be expensive.

Re:great idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6764972)

To my Paypal account, anon_cow123@hotmail.com. I'll pass any money I get onto Jane.

Re:great idea (1)

lostinchicago (692439) | about 11 years ago | (#6765015)

oh man, thanks for the thought. ill send you 100$ right now
pfft..

Re:great idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6765076)

Apparently, lawyers for "Jane Doe" are working pro bono, so she's not paying any lawyer fees. Not sure how much she's paying in court fees.

different issues (1, Insightful)

a1g0rithm (688772) | about 11 years ago | (#6764876)

There are a number of different issues in the spotlight regarding this problem. It seems that the RIAA's comment in the CNet story is trying to make copyright violations the issue... quote: "Her lawyers are trying to obtain a free pass to download or upload music online illegally"..

But in fact, this case is about the music industry prying into your personal life and invading your privacy. If you ask me, the RIAA is violating constitutional amendments that made this country what it is..

Let's just keep the different cases in perspective and uphold all laws instead of destroying others in the process...

Subpoena *is* due process (3, Interesting)

bmetzler (12546) | about 11 years ago | (#6764878)

That doesn't make sense because subpoena is part of the due process of law. So have can a subpoena *violate* due process of law? It is the other way around. If there was no subpoena, that would violate the right to due process of law.

-Brent

Re:Subpoena *is* due process (1)

InfiniteWisdom (530090) | about 11 years ago | (#6764932)

So any piece of paper (or gaggle of electrons) you call a subpoena is valid?

Re:Subpoena *is* due process (1)

bmetzler (12546) | about 11 years ago | (#6764959)

So any piece of paper (or gaggle of electrons) you call a subpoena is valid?

I am pretty sure that the legal definition of a subpoena is very solid.

-Brent

Re:Subpoena *is* due process (2, Insightful)

djeaux (620938) | about 11 years ago | (#6765023)

I am pretty sure that the legal definition of a subpoena is very solid.

So if I use the right legal form, I can issue a subpoena? That's pretty much the state of the ones RIAA issues.

Wake up, folks! RIAA is just another "private citizen." They are not the government, they are not law enforcement, they are just like you or me. They just want you to think that they are law enforcement & they do that by threatening schools & other organizations with lawsuits.

And that's the due process question here, I think.

Re:Subpoena *is* due process (3, Insightful)

Molina the Bofh (99621) | about 11 years ago | (#6765047)

A "private citizen" with billions to spend lobbying, and buying senators.

Re:Subpoena *is* due process (3, Insightful)

DesScorp (410532) | about 11 years ago | (#6765060)

"So any piece of paper (or gaggle of electrons) you call a subpoena is valid?"

No, any piece of paper a JUDGE calls a subpeona is valid. The RIAA doesn't have the power to issue subpeonas; they bring probable cause to the judge, and he/she issues them. You can argue whether or not there's enough probable cause here, but to attack the subpeona system itself is plain silly. As a previous poster pointed out, a subpeona IS due process. You're not automatically convitcted. You are called to appear in a court of law to defend the claims against you. Supeona does not neccessarily equal injustice here.

Re:Subpoena *is* due process (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6764944)

Mod parent up +5 TRUE DAT!

Re:Subpoena *is* due process (1)

FroBugg (24957) | about 11 years ago | (#6764953)

I may be talking out of my ass here, but I think the problem has to do with the DMCA and how it redefined subpoenas for these sorts of things. The subpoenas being issued by the RIAA aren't the same subpoenas that are normally issued. Or something.

Re:Subpoena *is* due process (2, Insightful)

Mr.Gibs (637393) | about 11 years ago | (#6764963)

The problem is that the subpoena was NOT served to her. The subpoena was served to Verizon. THAT is what she claims is denying her due process. They are trying to get her information from Verizon without serving her directly.

Re:Subpoena *is* due process (3, Insightful)

hackstraw (262471) | about 11 years ago | (#6765036)

A subpoena is a request to see someone in court.

The due process was already violated by identifying the individual. By due process, that would require a warrent.

Until there is PROOF that she has ... (4, Insightful)

burgburgburg (574866) | about 11 years ago | (#6765038)

illegally uploaded/downloaded music, her anonymity should be protected. The RIAA is trying to extort money from individuals and frighten the community. They are NOT attempting to prove cases in court. In most cases, they couldn't. But the threat of extensive expensive litigation against a well funded corporate entity is enough for most people to buckle and settle.

morons re-challenge corepirate nazis aka.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6764886)

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Right..... (4, Insightful)

isa-kuruption (317695) | about 11 years ago | (#6764889)

And the FBI is violating the privacy rights of child pornographers who use the internet to distribute the content by using the same methods.

One should read their ISP's Terms of Service. If it says "we will assist law enforcement authorities and copyright holders" (maybe not in so many words) then yer screwed. And even if it does not say that, then your complaint is with the ISP and not the RIAA. Afterall, as far as they are concerned, you're violating their copyrights (or the copyrights of their members; no matter how much you agree with them or not).

So these days, instead of people becoming educated and reading contracts they get into, they get mommy and daddy to hire a lawyer to sue for them.

Re:Right..... (2, Insightful)

tshak (173364) | about 11 years ago | (#6765027)

But the RIAA is not law enforcement, and that's one of the biggest issues. This is a critical difference. Just read about what happened to that guitar company in 2000 when the BSA came nocking at it's door. Do you really want private organizations to have the right to search a seizure? If so, welcome to the United Corporations of America.

Re:Right..... (1)

isa-kuruption (317695) | about 11 years ago | (#6765065)

Copyright is law. Subpoenas, which are ordered by the court, also happens to be law. Therefore we can conclude, the court, has lawfully requested on behalf of the RIAA, the information requested in the form of a subpoena.

Are you saying the U.S. court system has no law enforcement capabilities? I would hope not.

Re:Right..... (1)

hackstraw (262471) | about 11 years ago | (#6765084)

The FBI has to go to a judge with evidence and obtain a warrant.

My isp says:

We further reserve the right, at our sole discretion, to report such acts to the appropriate authorities.

The RIAA is not an authority, the FBI is.

Hmm (4, Interesting)

stratjakt (596332) | about 11 years ago | (#6764892)

Kids keep pitching tents in their pants hoping that some case like this will all of a sudden make downloading mp3z and 0-day warezezz perfectly legal. Of course that will never happen.

This is challenging the subpoena process, which a superior court has already upheld. So, most likely, nothing will come of it.

I'd like to see the case where someone is subpoena'd by the RIAA, and proves in court that they'd never offered so much as one copyrighted work for download. Like it was all fan fiction and independent music or whatever. Headlines blazing "music industry sues guy for doing nothing", RIAA lawyers with egg on their face.

I don't have a problem with them targetting people who are legitimately harming their business. But I have a problem with automated spiders flagging people to be sued or harassed. Automatic threat letters being sent to some person with the unfortunate name of Britney Spears, stuff like that.

They don't do a lot of fact checking before they launch these suits, and do absolutely none at all to send a C&D order. That's wrong and should be punished.

Anyways.

I love iPods mod me up.

Re:Hmm (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6764965)

so who wants to set up an RIAA honeypot?

Re:Hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6765072)

He he, I love that Idea. I think we should coordinate a Slashdot attempt to make the RIAA look stupid. Something like the following.

Get a few of us to sign up to Kazaa, sharing Gigabytes and Gigabytes of files, which were all non copyrighted. Preferably with names such as Lincoln Park - papier cut.mp3 or similar.

Then get everyone else on slashdot to start madly downloading these files, thereby creating a huge bandwidth spike that gets the RIAA interested. Sit back and win the court case.

Try number one (2, Interesting)

xThinkx (680615) | about 11 years ago | (#6764893)

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

All she has to do is win, and that gives legal grounds for everyone else of the 1000 unfortunate souls to follow suit.

So, RIAA, when you can't sue the network or the users, what exactly are you going to do, will you finally ADAPT? Or will you try and buy/strongarm your way into another tactic to hang on to your ancient business model?

Survival of the fittest in action, unless the RIAA trims the fat, they're on their way out.

Sigh. (5, Insightful)

Chess_the_cat (653159) | about 11 years ago | (#6764900)

First there was the setback of a New England judge throwing out an attempt to uncover the names of students at MIT accused of piracy.

I assume you mean this 'setback':

But Judge Joseph L Tauro said because the subpoenas were issued in Washington, DC they cannot be served in Massachusetts.

This really isn't a 'setback' at all. It was simple a procedural error. Those subpoenas will be filed again but this time in Massachusetts. Then they will be served.

Then there's this from the article:

"This is more invasive than someone having secret access to the library books you check out or the videos you rent,"

LMAO! So in other words, not very invasive at all. Besides, last time I looked checking books out of the library and renting videos was legal. Maybe because both are paid for! (Libraries operate on taxes in case you didn't know. That's what makes it a Public Library.)

Re:Sigh. (1)

Marx_Mrvelous (532372) | about 11 years ago | (#6764984)

I think you're missing the point, here, about the movie and book rentals. It's hard to tell because you don't hve a clear argument.

"LMAO! So in other words, not very invasive at all."
Not invasive? How can someone secretly monitor you in private actions (as you say, we pay to rent books/movies) not be invasive? We take privacy to be an important right in the US, and they are challenging the degredation of that by this new process to help curb illegal and legal downloading.

Re:Sigh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6765046)

Why is going to a public library a "private" action?

Tracking what you buy with cash at the local bookstore might be invasive, but borrowing a book from the government, and then being shocked that the government knows what book you borrowed?

Re:Sigh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6765029)

Hi you must be new here!

You see, Slashdot has "editors" whos job it is to monitor submission queues. When they see an interesting story, they will read associated links, make sure the information is timely and not duplicated, spell check and edit the item, and then post it. Sometimes they will even include a helpful tip at the end of the post!

Editors never allow their own political slant, or their desire to sell more copies of their bestselling books, to compromise their integrity. If they have a political slant, they will make it known and post stories concerning only their slant. This means that if you do not like reading their stories, you can block them freely without missing any important news - just look for the checkbox on your user preferences page!

All in all, editors play an important role in the Slashdot community!

Re:Sigh. (1)

numbski (515011) | about 11 years ago | (#6765056)

LMAO! So in other words, not very invasive at all. Besides, last time I looked checking books out of the library and renting videos was legal. Maybe because both are paid for! (Libraries operate on taxes in case you didn't know. That's what makes it a Public Library.)

You're overlooking the point here. The point is not getting at the books or videos. It's someone being able to track what you're doing. You checked out 'book x', you rented 'video y'. You ate rocky road, looked autopr0n, and passed out on the floor at 3am.

Hmm, what was I saying? I knew I had a poi....oooh, a shiny!

Department of RIAA (4, Funny)

boy_afraid (234774) | about 11 years ago | (#6764913)

It seems like the RIAA wants to become another department of the US and hold a cabinet position with the President. I can just see it now, The Department of the RIAA, an army of us.

Identity revealed (4, Funny)

Adam9 (93947) | about 11 years ago | (#6764916)

Obviously.. this 'anonymous' user is Georgy ;)

Why'd she have Kazaa installed? (2, Insightful)

gorfie (700458) | about 11 years ago | (#6764918)

Jane Doe used the Kazaa file-swapping software as a music player largely to listen to songs she had ripped from her own CDs and to music that came pre-loaded on her family computer. Which makes the best music player; WinAmp, MusicMatch, or Kazaa... hmmm... Not that I support the RIAA in any fashion, but come on.

Re:Why'd she have Kazaa installed? (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | about 11 years ago | (#6765059)

Can't you see that around you, there is a lot of people that are not as geeky as you?

I personnally know some people that did believe (after I installed it on their computers) that Napster was the only way to play an MP3. Every time they would want to listen to some music, they would launch Napster and would be sharing all of "their" music.

Please, step back a little and see that not everyone has your computers skills and vision for god's sake!

Heroin (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6764923)

She's my heroin on white horse. I want to marry her. Now I just need to contact her... hrm.

Re:Heroin (0)

herrvinny (698679) | about 11 years ago | (#6764952)

Perhaps you should get a subpoena served to Verizon to get her name.... oh, wait, even if you're successful, the RIAA will subpoena you to figure out who she is....

Re:Heroin (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6765057)

" She's my heroin on white horse. I want to marry her. Now I just need to contact her... hrm."

um, you meant heroine right? ;)

Don't Share, Don't Buy (2, Insightful)

Vedanti (689689) | about 11 years ago | (#6764925)

Lets face it. P2P sharing of RIAA copyrighted songs are illegal. I suggest anyone sharing such songs to quit doing it. But, don't buy their CDs. As someone suggested either buy used CDs or get cheap (legal) cassettes and convert to MP3 or whatever format you need. Just ask your friends who go to India to get the 2$ or 3$ cassettes (100 to 150 Rs) that are sold by RIAA labels or their subsidiaries / distributors.

Just as we keep telling them, their business model is outdated .... we need to understand that P2P download model is outdated. First the napster went, now P2P is gone. Just wait for the next generation of technology.

No... (1)

SonicBurst (546373) | about 11 years ago | (#6765064)

P2P sharing of copyrighted works is NOT illegal. Downloading without authorization IS illegal. Think about the difference.

bad outcome on the horizon (1)

lostinchicago (692439) | about 11 years ago | (#6764954)

most of the people around slashdot are tech oriendted but what is going to happen with the RIAA goes after all the people that barely know how to use a computer, these people's defense is just going to be "whats an mp3?", "whats wrong with that?", then there going to end up in prision or at least major fines. The RIAA must just be focusing on the smart people (MIT student, Boston College) right now, then they'll get to the nubz.

What's due process again? (3, Funny)

airrage (514164) | about 11 years ago | (#6764957)

I'm always unclear about the due-process and what it really means. Even if the (censored) wanted to get your name, address, etc from your ISP or even if you get your phone service from (censored), (censored), or (censored); can they just storm in like (censored).

This is like 1984's (censored-police, where even thinking bad thoughts can get you on a list. I mean that doesn't happen these days, does it?

Sincerely,
(censored)

HAHAHA YOU FORGOT TO TICK THE POST ANONYMOUSLY BOX (-1, Offtopic)

anonymous coword (615639) | about 11 years ago | (#6765034)

wow, it's about time (0)

rwven (663186) | about 11 years ago | (#6764960)

It's really about time that people started standing up to the RIAA. Quite frankly, i think if you are illegally stealing files you deserve what comes to you. it's against the law to steal music. just because you're allowed to use the file sharing clients doesnt mean it's ok to steal music with them.

HOWEVER, the RIAA is simply out of control. they are sueing people without any grounds other than their own greed. ( ie: www.chewplastic.com ) I say screw the copyright associations and give the money back to the artists that MAKE THE MONEY IN THE FIRST PLACE. i say screw the RIAA, and if need be, punish the people who are breaking the law via file sharing. it's still illegal to steal music/movies, etc... but i think the gov't should be controlling the punishment for such crimes, not the sueing of some rediculous ego-pimped company who things they own the world....

kinda reminds you SCO, no?

Re:wow, it's about time (2, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | about 11 years ago | (#6764988)

The government shouldnt be handling anything to do with P2P users, it's a civil matter (at least should be) and should result in lawsuits not prosecutions.

They should however start turning the screws when they see a team of lawyers using a flood of lawsuits (or threats thereof) as a form of revenue, and not to resolve legitimate grievances.

The legal system wasnt put in place for anyone to profit from.

The RIAA can thank the worms. (1)

anonymous coword (615639) | about 11 years ago | (#6764967)

I haven't dared to boot into the windows because of the worms. Its linux or nothing and since the current wine CVS is in a mess I can't run kazaa. So the RIAA can shove it (and im not in the .us either so there)!

Fuck this (5, Interesting)

hackstraw (262471) | about 11 years ago | (#6764989)

Since the goverment has no control over our country anymore, why should we be obliged to pay taxes and adhere to its laws?

Our legal system is set up so that it is very difficult for the police (a government employee) to get a warrant for a search, but the RIAA (a private company) can do it at will?

If there is some crime here, then I belive that the govenment should prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.

Do banks supoena bank robbers?

Keep in mind that I have never used Kazaa or similar service, and do not belive in the whole "sharing" thing. But I refuse to have corporations coming into my private life for something the feel is suspicious. Can I get a supoena to look at RIAA's records for price fixing and their business practice because I don't like it?

This is not a slope that I want to see our govenment go down. If so, then they have relinquished all power over its people, and that will lead to anarchy and/or revolution.

Link to supboena database (2, Informative)

hackstraw (262471) | about 11 years ago | (#6765007)

Btw, you can go here [eff.org] at the eff to query the subpoenas.

rainmaker? (0)

dasalvagg (667838) | about 11 years ago | (#6765016)

Has anyone else read the john grisham book the rainmaker? Its about a young lawyer who sues an insurrance company and wins something like $50 million....the underdog won and won bin. too bad this doesn't happen in real life. Does anyone else see a problem with the American leagal system when its almost a forgone conclusion that Jane Doe has no chance of winning. The fact is tho she will lose. not only because the Riaa will spend about 100x more money but because if they can prove she was sharring files, then she knowingly broke a law. whether you happen to agree with the law or not, she is still guilty of that. Legal systems are based on the fact that if you did it, you're guilty, regardless if you even knew it was against the law, if you only did it only one time, or if you did it for a good reason. for ./ readers i think this would be more helpful... if (law==broken) janeDoe=guilty; else if(lawYouDontAgreeWith==broken) janeDoe=guilty;

Kazaa with original material. (0)

PrImED73 (695394) | about 11 years ago | (#6765018)

Has anyone come across an instance of the RIAA mistakenly handing out subpoena's to ISP's where the users have been distributing their own musical material? Or do they only go for their clients songs?

Whitey (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6765053)

from the stand-up-stand-up-stand-up-for-your-rights dept.

Ugh Michael. It's "Get up, Stand up," not "Stand up, Stand up." You are now the whitest man on earth.

Zero Effect (3, Insightful)

Gargamale (700371) | about 11 years ago | (#6765058)

This case serves no purpose, but to have the RIAA, going forward, serve sopoenas correctly (i.e. through a court). This case is not about sharing MP3's, although her lawyers seem to be about as off-base as the RIAA. Not much will come of this, except maybe some firmer stances on what Verizon and other ISP's are required to do in situations such as these. To my knowledge, that portion of the argument has already been upheld by a court, though. So much of this moot and dead in the water. Apparently, there isn't really a legitimate way of stopping these cowboys. Maybe I should create original material with similar names to popular RIAA artist tracks, offer them on Kazaa with a beowulf cluster and wait for them to download and prosecute me. Then, I could proove their tactics illegal and inaccurate. I dunno, I'll continue to boycott the bad music they sell for $17.99USD, as I am not interested in their digitized poop.

Who will finish first? (2, Interesting)

EddWo (180780) | about 11 years ago | (#6765069)

The RIAA sueing all the file traders

or

SCO sueing all the Linux users for licence fees.

They both have a few million lawsuits to get through in the next few years.
Now would be a good time to become a lawyer. There will be an unlimited supply of work for the next couple of thousand years.

Perhaps what's needed is a fake-share program. (1)

bo0ork (698470) | about 11 years ago | (#6765071)

If there was a program available that did all the motions of sharing copyrighted material without actually doing so, and people started using it, RIAA and theirs friends would have a fair bit of work to do in order to prove what was used -- Kazaa et.al or their faking counterparts.

GO RIAA (-1, Flamebait)

pstreck (558593) | about 11 years ago | (#6765074)

They're protecting they're rights. People have been VIOLATING THE LAW, where it's a law you like or not, it's still a law. How else are they going to stop music piracy? Maybe if Ms. Doe didn't violate the law she wouldn't be getting subpoenaed.
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