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Top University Rankings for 2004 Released

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the sells-a-lot-of-magazines dept.

Education 701

jemecki writes "US News and World Report has posted their annual rankings for the top colleges and universities in America. Of particular interest to Slashdotters are the top Computer Engineering and Electrical Engineering universities and the top overall engineering schools. For those that don't want to RTFA, Harvard and Princeton are the best in the country, and MIT, Stanford and Berkeley are the best in Engineering."

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701 comments

What??? (5, Funny)

SoCalChris (573049) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768241)

No Hollywood Upstairs Medical School??? That's unpossible!

Re:What??? (1, Flamebait)

tigertigr (610853) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768391)

How about Springfield Heights Institute of Technology!?!

Re:What??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6768413)

What about Greater Waukesha Community College?

Re:What??? (1, Funny)

L. VeGas (580015) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768432)

Bakersfield Community College!
Wooh! Wooh! Wooh!

GoooooOOOOO Salamanders!!!

fp (-1, Redundant)

zebul0n (84908) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768250)

first post

Re:fp (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6768404)

GO ROLL A DONUT, YUO MOLESTURD!!!

Hi! How are you?

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See you later. Thanks

"Premium login"?? (5, Informative)

connsmythe96 (576445) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768255)

I can only see 3 schools listed. Why post the article if we have to pay to see more than 3 schools in the list?

Am I missing something?

Re:"Premium login"?? (2, Funny)

brakk (93385) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768270)

Obviously you didn't go to one of those schools if you can't figure it out.

Not a Troll (1)

brakk (93385) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768325)

It was a joke, actually i haven't even tried to look at the site.

Re:"Premium login"?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6768293)

> Am I missing something?

Yes, you forget this is slashdot.

Re:"Premium login"?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6768304)

Am I missing something?

You're not, but the editor who posted this story is. Apparently they don't read the article either.

That or they figured that no one would read the article, and you proved them wrong.

"Prove me wrong, readers. Prove me wrong!" -Michael, Slashdot editor

Re:"Premium login"?? (5, Funny)

Spamhead (462189) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768345)


Here is the rest of the list:

4 - A way overpriced institution of higher learning.
5 - A way overpriced institution of higher learning.
6 - A way overpriced institution of higher learning.
7 - A way overpriced institution of higher learning.
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.
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Re:"Premium login"?? (1)

yintercept (517362) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768437)

Over priced education is great when you get the government or your parents to pay for it. BTW, I keep hearing students' at the local state run schools complaining about tuition now that the government can no longer pay for it. Tuition has been increasing by 10% a year.

But, in the hey day...man, Universities could really rack up the bills as they lavished the perks on the insiders and administrators.

fancy book learning (5, Funny)

pauly_thumbs (416028) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768259)

according to the ads that I watch while collecting unemploymet and eating cheezits -- Devry Institue is the place to become an elite member of the exciting IT industry!!!111!!!

Re:fancy book learning (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6768417)

This is true. Every DeVry grad I've met drives a BMW and is really really rich and smart.

(Actually, I blame them for a lot of problems IT is having today. DeVry teaches how to do things and not think outside the box. Every DeVry grad I've met can't think outside the box.)

In Soviet Russia... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6768262)

...top colleges and universities rank YOU!

Re:In Soviet Russia... (1, Informative)

Ruie (30480) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768367)

...top colleges and universities rank YOU!

This is actually how it was and still is. People with gold medals or scientific competition accomplishments can get in easier - or even bypass the exams completely. Each university conducts its own exams, so you rarely can apply to more than two.

So there are ranks of people in the admissions process:

  • Those who are admitted right after applying, with no exams
  • Those who have to take less exams (often just one) and if they get an A are admitted right away.
  • Those who have to take all the exams.
The last two are sorted by how well they did.

And, oh yeah, nowadays they have a new category: those who pay with hard currency.

Wow the top 3 (-1, Redundant)

Radix37 (670836) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768263)

Doesn't help me know much where my school ranked, now does it?

Take it with a grain of... (5, Informative)

DeathPenguin (449875) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768265)

Just want to remind everyone that a lot of the rankings are quite subjective: "The rankings are based solely on the judgments of deans and senior faculty who rated each program they are familiar with on a scale from 1 (marginal) to 5 (distinguished)."

Personally, I'm more interested in which universities have good industry and job opportunities surrounding them, since my first job after getting a degree will likely be close to wherever I graduate from.

Re:Take it with a grain of... (3, Interesting)

(54)T-Dub (642521) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768347)

The Debt Rankings [usnews.com] are interesting though. I also thought that cal tech's #1 [usnews.com] on the Best value [usnews.com] ranking was interesting. Totally subjective, but interesting.

hmm that sounds more (4, Interesting)

waspleg (316038) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768398)

a popularity contest than anything useful

HARDCORE EECS UNITE! (0, Troll)

mandalayx (674042) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768269)

HARDCORE EECS UNITE!

Inside joke. MIT 6'ers invited. But Stanfurd sucks..

Re:HARDCORE EECS UNITE! (0, Funny)

soulsteal (104635) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768335)

Oh yeah... well.... we'll show you...

DYSLEXICS OF THE WORLD UNTIE!

Re:HARDCORE EECS UNITE! (-1, Flamebait)

John Harrison (223649) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768441)

Cal Sucks!

Reach for the Sky! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6768271)

I thought the DeVry Institute was the leader in all things electronic!

TOASTER!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6768273)

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Pretty meaningless then (?) (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6768277)

MIT on top! Surely you're joking?

In my last 2 jobs (one in US and one in Australia) I've worked with 5 people with comp. sci. PhDs from MIT. They were all dismal - with about the level I'd expect from a 1st or 2nd year undergraduate. A small sample perhaps - but if it is indicative then it doesn't bode well for CS graduates of other US universities.

Re:Pretty meaningless then (?) (1)

El (94934) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768308)

Come on, you've gotta respect any institution where the median score on the entrance exams is a perfect score (for math, anyway).

applicability to the real world (5, Insightful)

ih8apple (607271) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768278)

The longer I've been the workforce, the more I realize that these rankings are irrelevant except for bragging rights and being able to charge higher tuition for "prestige." I know many people who went to these great instituitions (I went to one myself) and many of them are sitting around in a dead end job boring themselves to death. Other people who went to community colleges or lower ranked schools are many of the movers and shakers of the world. There's no hard and fast rule either way regarding success and these schools. The only benefit I can see to the higher ranked schools is the networking with the elite of America who will get cushy jobs due to nepotism and that networking may pay off for you later.

Re:applicability to the real world (4, Informative)

mandalayx (674042) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768319)

I agree. However remember that in-state undergrads at Berkeley pay only about $6k/year for tuition as opposed to $30k...

but it's not for everyone :)

Re:applicability to the real world (5, Interesting)

Timmmm (636430) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768422)

How can you all afford to go to university?!?

In the UK, tuition is ~ 1k/year, wherever you go.

$30 / year ?!?!?!?!?!

Re:applicability to the real world (1)

Timmmm (636430) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768471)

Ahem, $30k/year

Re:applicability to the real world (2, Interesting)

(54)T-Dub (642521) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768384)

It really depends on your industry as well. As an engineer the school I graduated from means less than the job experience i have. Go to a highly competive field like law and I would imagine that the rules change completely.

Re:applicability to the real world (4, Insightful)

s20451 (410424) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768401)

The longer I've been the workforce, the more I realize that these rankings are irrelevant except for bragging rights and being able to charge higher tuition for "prestige."

The longer you are in the workforce, the less your formal education is relevant, anyway. Besides, it's better to think of it in terms of the intrinsic benefits rather than the extrinsic benefits. I have attended both small, unknown and big, prestigious universities, and the quality and quantity of teaching is certainly better at the bigger schools. Having said that, the difference between 1 and 2 is pretty much irrelevant compared to the difference between 1 and 500.

The only benefit I can see to the higher ranked schools is the networking with the elite of America who will get cushy jobs due to nepotism and that networking may pay off for you later.

Well, that's certainly relevant! I'm about to finish a graduate degree, and the job I'm about to start is basically thanks to my supervisor's networking skills. It certainly helps that my supervisor is world-renowned in his field, so an introduction from him carries a lot of weight, which you probably wouldn't find at a low-ranked university.

Re:applicability to the real world (1)

luzrek (570886) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768472)

In my experience, while the name recognition of a school doesn't always gaurantee great students or great results (employment), it does correspond very well to the average caliber of the students. This can be important if you are going to school partially for networking (as future business people commonly do).

However, at nearly any school you can get a fantastic education. You just have to try. For example, at the large state school where I am (as a graduate student) the average undergraduate seems to veiw their college experience as an unsupervized extention of high school. However, there are some undergraduates who actually try, and these commonly get great educations and have their names on published papers (sometimes as first author) before graduation. Conversely, where I went for my undergraduate work, an expensive undergraduate-only college, most undergraduates were paying so much they made darn sure that they participated in original research, made connections, and built up their useful skills. However, there were some students who were there just to party.

And even then, if you do get a lot of useful experience/skills from your college, there is no gaurantee that you will end up with a good job, you're just bettering the odds of getting a good job.

cripes.... (4, Insightful)

Cali Thalen (627449) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768283)

MIT, Stanford, Berkeley...
MIT, Stanford, Berkeley...
MIT, Stanford, Berkeley...

What exactly is this an ad for anyway? Oh yeah, US News' 'Premium Online Edition'

Nothing to see here....

Ranking don't mean much in the top (5, Insightful)

Brahmastra (685988) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768284)

My comment is from the prespective of a graduate student. Almost all the top schools are as good as each other. Or you could end up with a shitty advisor in which case, any school would be bad. It might be counterproductive to choose a college based only overall rankings. Your field of reasearch, advisor, how much money they pay you as assistantship, they all play a role. As long as a school is in the top 10-20, they're probably about as good as each other.. Some better than others depending on your specialization

Re:Ranking don't mean much in the top (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6768402)

Your advisor is obviously paying you for 10 hrs a week and making you work 40 hrs. Don't worry, you will get salvation in a year or two.

Re:Ranking don't mean much in the top (1)

Brahmastra (685988) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768424)

Fortunately, I've been out of graduate school for a couple of years now.. and I never quite had to work 40 hrs. In fact, it was the other way round. I guess I got lucky.

Re:Ranking don't mean much in the top (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6768426)

I had a good chuckle at the doctorate rankings myself, I mean you can't possibly rank schools across all the disciplines in this manner and come up with anything meaningful. I've got a good idea of what schools are movers and shakers in my field, but they're all over the place in rank. In deciding where to go for grad school, I turned down an offer at a school rated in the top ten by these guys to accept an offer at one that just clears #100. I'm near graduation and have not regretted my choice a damn bit.

great (0)

SHEENmaster (581283) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768285)

Just get /. to further crowd the good schools and increase the requirements for those of us planning to attend one. (Everyone knows that the University of Bob has the best technical courses. MCSE certification with no test for $20, and a PhD in point-n-clicking for $200.)

Good (5, Insightful)

cubicledrone (681598) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768295)

No "Best Party School" crap. It's a crying shame that the title exists at all.

It says a great deal about a society that values irrational consumption of alcoholic beverages as a virtue to be sought after.

And for those of you thinking that this isn't important: how many hiring managers and HR blimps do you suppose see "Bachelor of Arts" and think "drunk every weekend?" How many of those people think a college degree matters?

So yeah, it's important.

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6768361)

I'm drunk every weekend. Half the weekdays, too.

Best Party Schools (1)

(54)T-Dub (642521) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768449)

#1 Cal State San Diego #2 Cal State Chico #3 ....... Buy me a drink to find out ;-)

this isn't news.... (1)

hatrisc (555862) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768296)

it's been this way for ages. the only question is, "how will they place in the top 3-5?"

These rankings are ridiculous (5, Insightful)

pudge (3605) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768300)

They have absolutely no validity [archive.org] . Ignore them. Please. [archive.org]

Suggestions welcome, really, please (3, Interesting)

AEton (654737) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768301)

I am applying to college this fall, looking for a degree in computer engineering (or software, maybe. heh) so I can go join the rest of the madding crowd in the unemployment lines.

The portions of this report available free didn't really surprise me -- MIT and Berkeley were already on my "apply here!" list, and maybe Stanford just for fun. But I have a bunch of others in mind -- Carnegie-Mellon, Harvard, CWRU, maybe Ohio State (tuition would be cheap or free as I live in state).

This story should generate some more interesting suggestions as to what I should look into--particuarly because we have to pay money to see more than the top 3--and I'm very interested in input from the techie crowd, particularly those who have already gone through the college circus.

Re:Suggestions welcome, really, please (3, Informative)

Brahmastra (685988) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768387)

How about University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign? They have an excellent Electrical/Computer Engineering program. And at this point, it's probably better to get a degree with some hardware in it rather than pure software. It'll reduce the chances of being in unemployment lines. Most of the top 10-20 schools have big job-fairs with most large tech companies attending. Going to any of these schools, and getting reasonable grades should give you a very good chance of landing a job easily.

Re:Suggestions welcome, really, please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6768403)

A few years into the workforce, it doesn't matter where you went to school. In fact, if you make the right contacts and gain experience while in school, it won't matter that much immediately. Go to Ohio State for free, do a little grunt work outside of classes (internships, etc) and you'll end up in the same type of position, but without big student loans.

Re:Suggestions welcome, really, please (1)

SUB7IME (604466) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768428)

Go to Harvard if you want to become an eliteness craving adult who is surrounded by extremely hot women. Yale is good if you want a lot of freedom, academic and otherwise, with a more low-key atmosphere. But the handful of hot girls at Yale is nothing compared to the plethora of punan at Harvard. Your decisions are your own of course, but there is more to a school than its rank (as everyone else here has aptly noted repeatedly). Try to take into account a school's counseling programs, the location of the school, the aesthetic beauty of a campus, and the appeal of the student body (not just physical).

Re:Suggestions welcome, really, please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6768460)

Consider Rose-Hulman. #1 in undergraduate engineering school in every engineering field they currently offer.

CMU will work you and break you, but it's worth it (2, Interesting)

chia_monkey (593501) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768473)

Do Carnegie Mellon. Expensive and you'll bust your ass just to make a "B", but wow is it worth it. No coasting through classes here. And it actually does have a little pull out in the real world (even though right now everyone is probably saying "Mellon? Like in 'Back to School'?"). But...the thing I got most out of it, you'll make some damn good friends as you're all staying up late trying to survive.

And then you got Pitt and a couple other nearby schools to go to/recruit chicks when you have ten minutes for a social life.

reg req'd (0)

justforaday (560408) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768302)

just a note: if you want to make any real use of this you need to pay/subscribe

What? (1)

cK-Gunslinger (443452) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768303)

Harvard, Princeton, and MIT are some of the best schools in the country!? I never saw that coming!

Seriously, I've never complained about ./ stories before, but this really is a non-story. Maybe if I had a usnews *premium* account and could actually get more than a 1,2,3 list...

Re:What? (1)

Fammy2000 (612663) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768364)

Don't worry, it'll eventually be posted here by someone. Someone...

Bah (0, Offtopic)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768305)


screw school, everything I need to know about life I learned from slashdot and goatse.cx.

Go Cats! (1)

crumbz (41803) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768307)

Northwestern outranked U of C. Now I can sleep better at night. Ha.

Can anyone tell me... (1)

gpinzone (531794) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768310)

Where did Polytechnic University (Brooklyn, NY) end up in the fields of EE and CS?

What's the point? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6768313)

All the low- and mid-level engineering jobs have been shipped to Bangalore anyways. Might as well go to school over there instead.

Slashdotted Already? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6768314)

It doesn't look like the site can handle it. Maybe they need to employ a few graduates from the top schools.

Best in Engineering? (3, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768315)

B-b-but what happened to Acme University?

I'm sorry, but I've watched far too many RoadRunner cartoons to believe a Coyote could have done better anywhere else.

Top Party School - all we care about. (2, Funny)

EvilStein (414640) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768322)

University of Colorado, isn't it?

Sadly, Chico State isn't on the list anymore. =/

Which college has the most bandwidth? The best female to male ratio?

C'mon, tell us the *important* stuff.

Re:Top Party School - all we care about. (1)

mandalayx (674042) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768362)

Which college has the most bandwidth? The best female to male ratio?

C'mon, tell us the *important* stuff.


MIT has their own class A plus they fight the RIAA :)

But female to male.....eh...better than CalTech :)

Re:Top Party School - all we care about. (3, Informative)

Sonicboom (141577) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768370)

Correct. U of Colorado is the top party school.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/954063.asp?0si=-

TOP PARTY SCHOOL
UNIVERSITY OF COLORADO, BOULDER
Boulder, Colorado is said to have an endless amount of things to do: concerts, coffee shops, movies, parties, shopping and plenty of outdoor activities for those adventure-seekers. The Division I sports add to the energy of the school and the atmosphere around campus (campus is only 30 minutes from Denver too). The school is large, with over 25,000 undergrads enrolled last year. The student body is described as "a combination of rich kids and hippies, kids who don't care about class work and kids who are super-competitive, studying hard during the week and letting loose on the weekends."
Runner-ups
2) University of Wisconsin, Madison
3) Indiana University (was number one last year)
4) University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
5) Washington and Lee University

Re:Top Party School - all we care about. (1)

gfunk371 (697911) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768421)

Is this something to be proud of? Sad. While you were partying, I was getting my project submitted on time with nothing but caffeine running through my system--not alcohol.

So how's that degree working out for you now?

Re:Top Party School - all we care about. (1)

Mr. Sketch (111112) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768436)

Which college has the most bandwidth?

ZDnet will rate the most 'wired' colleges. However, I can't find it on their site anymore.

Re:Top Party School - all we care about. (1)

entrager (567758) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768452)

This be Slashdot, no one here cares about the type of partying that the Princeton Review ranked CU #1 in. The Princeton Review looked at pot smoking, alcohol drinking, and the lowest amount of studying done. The Slashdot crowd enjoys parties that involve a LAN.

As a side note: I am a senior at CU, and the whole party thing seems to be only enjoyed by underclassmen. The only time I ever hear other students discuss the "party last night" is when I'm fulfilling one of my core requirements and I'm stuck in a room with 200 underclassmen that are doing the same. Then again, all my other classes are CS related... one wouldn't expect that sort of behavior from a bunch of geeks.

MOD PARENT UP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6768476)

MOD PARENT UP

If you go by most beautiful campus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6768326)

Virginia Tech is No. 1 and Michigan state univ is no. 2.
Sorry, I haven't visitied those west coast schools, so they don't rank anywhere.

Country -vs- country rankings? (4, Interesting)

GreenCrackBaby (203293) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768328)

Forget this survey. Is there really a surprise when schools that cost $30,000 per year rank at the top? What I'm interested in is a country -vs- country ranking. Here in Canada we have some amazing universities, and I'd love to see them up against the US's best.

Re:Country -vs- country rankings? (1)

mandalayx (674042) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768395)

Forget this survey. Is there really a surprise when schools that cost $30,000 per year rank at the top? What I'm interested in is a country -vs- country ranking. Here in Canada we have some amazing universities, and I'd love to see them up against the US's best.

I pay about $2900/semester to go to school at Berkeley..

Re:Country -vs- country rankings? (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768406)

I know that Harvard modelled it's new (when it was new) medical school after McMaster University.

At least, thats what the McMaster recruiter told me. Recruiters told me all kinds of silly shit though.

Cool thing is about the Canadian system is the universitys court and fight over the academically inclined students, the focus seems to be on grades (and scholarship dollars) rather than over jocks and filling the stadium. Cool, I suppose, because I wasnt a jock. Though I had athlete friends who were offered scholarships to go to college stateside (mostly for hockey since americans suck at hockey).

Re:Country -vs- country rankings? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6768470)

I don't know about other Canadian universities, here at U of Waterloo (which is considered by many to have the best CS program in Canada), I'm finding them putting too much focus on mass producing coders as oppose to education and research. It probably has a lot to do with the lack of research funding though.

Unworthy. (1)

gfunk371 (697911) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768332)

US News sells rankings, they do not investigate them. Don't let the hype fool you.

*see three listings, then pay.

*goes back to cleaning out his mailbox full of porno teasing spam*

That's odd... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6768333)

Does it bother anyone else that the same 3 schools appear in the same order for all three categories in the post?

Don't get me wrong, they're all first rate, but the exact same schools in the same order? Maybe too much data is being reused . . .

-Dave

Wrong. (1)

ubikkibu (544498) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768336)

Stanford ranks *higher* than Berkeley on the CS list? I don't think so.

No, I didn't attend either school, nor I do have any close friends or particular interest in promoting Berkeley. I just learned from experience in Silicon Valley that Berzerkeley programmers write lots of good, working code while the Stanford guys are still talking about which coffee to buy.

Flame on.

Re:Wrong. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6768371)

hahaha, that's why all the major (and quite successful) bay area tech companies have been started by berkeley graduates right? oh wait... no... i mean STANFORD grads.

jeez, get a clue.

someone post some login info (0)

justforaday (560408) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768337)

anyone care to post their usnews premium edition login/pass??? anyone? anyone? bueller?

GOD I HATE THIS LIST (2, Interesting)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768339)

Cause every year my school (Montclair State University) uses it to show its good and the honest truth is the school SUCKS and basically rapes you of money and gives you no education for what you paid.

I mean they closed down the TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT!!! just so they could build a bigger building on campus

bah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6768348)

What is this shit doing on slashdot? It's not news for nerds or stuff that matters.

Hooray (3, Informative)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768354)

Same story as usual. Expensive ivy league schools rated best in class!

Although this means nothing to me, I know most slashdot readers and editors will be looking at colleges in about 5 years or so.

Frankly, I've found that the real world puts much less esteem on who granted your degree than the schools themselves do.

Pretentious eggheads laugh at DeVry, employers dont. They usually care if you can do the job, and have appropriate hygeine.

14th place? (1)

mike_mgo (589966) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768358)

Damn you U Penn (shakes fist at sky). I remember when you were the laughing stock of the Ivy League.

Ok, now back to real life and things that are actually important (oh I'm at work, nevermind). The people who use these lists the wrong way really make me laugh sometimes. I mean the people who say, "Oh, Brown University isn't even in the top 15, I would never go there."

Princeton Review (2, Informative)

sometwo (53041) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768360)

Princeton Review has their rankings out and there is no fee. Find out [princetonreview.com] which schools are the party and non-party schools.

Phd programs help undergrads? (4, Insightful)

rfischer (95276) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768363)

Did any one notice this distinction:

Best Undergraduate Engineering Programs
(At schools whose highest degree is a bachelor's or master's)
(5.0 = highest)
1. Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech. (IN) 4.4
2. Harvey Mudd College (CA) 4.2
3. Cooper Union (NY) 4.0

Best Undergraduate Engineering Programs
(At schools whose highest degree is a doctorate)
1. Massachusetts Inst. of Technology 4.8
2. Stanford University (CA) 4.7
University of California-Berkeley * 4.7

Somehow the PhD program elevates the undergrad program?

Re:Phd programs help undergrads? (1, Insightful)

mandalayx (674042) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768431)

Somehow the PhD program elevates the undergrad program?

I think the idea is that more postdocs mean better profs. But then maybe Harvey Mudd has some profs who are really passionate about teaching and not research...

Princeton Review also has a list out... (2, Informative)

Exitthree (646294) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768368)

You can see it here [princetonreview.com] . Same colleges different order. ;)

Don't be stupid, go to Community College ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6768372)

Undergraduate degrees are meaningless now-a-days, so you might as well spend as little as possible getting one. Going to a community college for the first 2 years to get the basics out of the way is a good start.

Another take on this. (1)

niko9 (315647) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768375)

Reminds me of a sig I once saw here on Slashdot.

Going to the Univeristy can make you knowledgeable, but it cannot make you wise. ;)

Crazy Go Nuts! (3, Funny)

ChopSocky (556987) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768377)

No Crazy Go Nuts University?!?

I love Homsar.

Is Stanford Eng Dept even Accredited? (2, Informative)

kalieaire (586092) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768383)

I'm not quite sure how this is possible, but my friend used to be a CS Major at Stanford. The department of computer science was accredited.

However, Stanford's Engineering department was not. The reason being is that most of the classes were taught by TA's, aka graduate students.

Stanford didn't meet the minimum requirement of actual Professors with Graduate and Post Graduate degrees teaching lectures.

With that understanding, how is it possible for Stanford to even be a top school in engineering?

The only reason I can find is that though the department may not be accredited, and that the instruction may not be from seasoned professionals, the classes taught are still of the quality you would hope from a university that used to allow students to drop classes the day before the final. (sarcastic, but also thoughtfully meaning that the instruction has improved greatly)

Re:Is Stanford Eng Dept even Accredited? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6768454)

what are you talking about? your friend clearly does not understand how the school of engineering works. computer science falls under the school of engineering at stanford. in fact, computer science is the only non-ABET accredited degree awarded by the school of engineering. get the facts, not some bullsh*t before you talk about a school you know nothing about.

Johns Hopkins (4, Interesting)

bjtuna (70129) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768388)

I know there's gotta be some other JHU alumni reading this. For years, Johns Hopkins has been ranked around #15, which always prompted Hopkins to brush the rankings aside as subjective. Surely the rankings are bullshit, they would say, since anyone worth their salt knew that JHU was the premiere research institution in the world.

So my freshman year, 1999, rolls along and Hopkins finds itself ranked #7 by US News. Oh how they did celebrate. We heard about it nonstop for the first few weeks of school, especially during orientation. Major prestige thing. Huge boost to the administration's collective ego. And those rankings? Not so subjective anymore, were they? Finally those US News guys saw the light, and ranked Hopkins near the top!

Man, what a bunch of hypocrites. Long live JHU :)

Oh great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6768389)

I just accepted the offer from Stanford and now this. Uh, gross.

School of Hard Knockers (1)

isa-kuruption (317695) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768399)

Top rated university for a degree in Life Studies.

The Fix Is In! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6768405)

Worse than just being irrelevant and stupid, the results are fixed to put Harvard/Priceton/Yale at the top of the list.

Slate ran some articles on this a few years ago.

"Cooking the School Books"
http://slate.msn.com/id/34027/

and better yet

"Cooking the School Books (Yet Again)"
http://slate.msn.com/id/89623/

Tech is Hell

Stretching it... (1)

carambola5 (456983) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768419)

Big day for University of Wisconsin.

If you dig deep enough, it's ranked 2 for Nuclear Engineering. That makes 3 /. articles today. Now, if only there was an article on the top party schools... IIRC, UW is 2nd place this year.

I remember my college application process (1)

waaka! (681130) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768423)

Just a little bit of reminiscing here.

I feel as if my family placed too much value on name recognition on rankings like these and just in general. I still remember throwing out so many letters and envelopes from colleges just because my parents and I didn't recognize them from the tops of these lists.

In the end, who knows? I may have wasted time writing essays to apply to schools that wouldn't have made sense for me to attend, just because of their position on rankings, even those not relevant to my area of study.

Harvey Mudd's letter to me went into the recycle bin because my parents hadn't heard of it, but I certainly remembered it when my friend was talking about visiting for Nova Scholarship stuff. I do wonder about what might have been (maybe if I had spent more time thinking about my MIT application or something), but I suppose I have luck to thank that my parents recognize UC Berkeley's name :-)

Teh bestest places (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6768425)

As I sit here fat, stinky, and unemployed...

I know the places to be are Devry University [devry.edu] , the wonderful Collins College [collinscollege.edu] , and ITT Technical Institute [itt-tech.edu] .

Collins will even give you a laptop with your toliet paper!

Harvey Mudd is 17th!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6768444)

Below Pomona and CMC!? What the hell? Just cause we've only got 7 majors and 700 students...

Let's see some average test scores and average annual salries. Putnam scores or something. Stupid US World and News...

I can't believe we lost out to Rose Hullman again this year too.

Don't know about the top Schools (2, Interesting)

IWantMoreSpamPlease (571972) | more than 10 years ago | (#6768467)

but the "University" I went to had to be the bottom of the barrel.

I still recall the quote from the dean of Chemistry when we walked into the 1st day of Physical Chemistry:

"None of you will pass this class the first time around, I will make certain of it."

And he did too. Had two exams, midterm and final. The midterm was on the day *after* the last day to drop the class, so in other words you had no idea how well you were doing in the class until it was too late.

Motherfucker had tenure as well, so we couldn't get his butt fired for this. And sure enough, we all failed (even the straight A students, of which I was not one)

In any case, long story short (too late!) everything I learned in life I *damn sure* didn't get at college. I got it in real life, so I have to wonder just how accurate those ratings (and how useful) really are.
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