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WIPO Pressured to Kill Meeting on Open Source

michael posted about 11 years ago | from the thou-shalt-not-speak-its-name dept.

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panthan writes "The Washington Post has has an article about a proposed meeting of the WIPO concerning open source having been removed from consideration, apparently due to pressure from the US State Department and the USPTO. 'In short order, lobbyists from Microsoft-funded trade groups were pushing officials at the State Department and the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office to squelch the meeting. One lobbyist, Emery Simon with the Business Software Alliance, said his group objected to the suggestion in the proposal that overly broad or restrictive intellectual-property rights might in some cases stunt technological innovation and economic growth.'" Lawrence Lessig has some comments.

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the post of the first part (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769769)

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fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769772)

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Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769778)

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fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769781)

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Re:fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769797)

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Re:fp (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769847)

127.0.0.0.1

Is that one of these rare IPv5 addresses? Quick, someone adds support for this in the kernel!

Re:fp (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769922)

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127.0.0.1 considered harmful (0, Offtopic)

DrSkwid (118965) | about 11 years ago | (#6769945)

Just like root, Secure OS's [bell-labs.com] don't use it

Re:fp (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769856)

you are such a fucking loser.

WIPO is dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769783)

Long live WIPO!

Interesting (4, Interesting)

jd (1658) | about 11 years ago | (#6769794)

The US State Department is pushing other departments to pay more for their software. I wonder if the State Department is using Open Source itself...


Be interesting if the Government players most opposed to Open Source are those gaining political power by others NOT using it, when they themselves are.


Or have I watched too many X-Files?

Re:Interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769904)

Well, whatever you have done you obviously didn't sit in on too many English classes.

How Can You Watch "Too Much" 'X-Files'? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769918)

I'd have to say that after the 2000 Bush Coup, 9/11 and Iraq, I don't think we ever saw enough.

Re:Interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769930)

No, you just have a serious issue with one sentence paragraphs and placing too many blank lines between them.

What better place to bring up Linux than WIPO (5, Insightful)

SuperDuperMan (257229) | about 11 years ago | (#6769796)

If Microsoft is so concerned that Open Source is infringing on intellectual property then they should voice their concerns in front of an audience that is sympathetic to them.

Re:What better place to bring up Linux than WIPO (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769975)

That would imply that they had some confidence in themselves and their position.

Instead, they're the worst kind of craven, petty, paranoid fools. And they assume that the WIPO delegates (not to mention their own customers) are the same, and thus need to be protected from a rational consideration of alternatives ("alternaWHATsisms?").

Once you embrace propaganda and monopoly as a way of doing business, it's very difficult to see another way. A reactionary attitude is the predictable result of trying to hold onto power you don't feel you really deserve (correctly I might add).

I thought WIPO was dead? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769798)

Perhaps there is a resurrection like your god haysoos.

Re:I thought WIPO was dead? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769991)

That's Krisha [religioustolerance.org] to you. Philistine.

Re:I thought WIPO was dead? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6770007)

Oops, mispelled Krishna. That's gonna cost me in my next life. Christ.

States Goals vs. Actual Goals (5, Insightful)

Erik_the_Awful (675368) | about 11 years ago | (#6769799)

Lessig states that: "First, and most obviously, open-source software is based in intellectual-property rights."

While this is true, we can observe WIPO's actual goals by their ACTIONS. WIPO's ACTIONS show that WIPO intends to protect and expand Intellectual Property rights when they result in profits for WIPO's member states and their corporations.

Conversly, WIPO can be counted on to act against Intellectual Property rights that do not result in profits for WIPO's member state corporations.

On a seperate note, is it reasonable to increase the cost of BSA's lobbyists by causing them to recieve more snail mail? Would anyone like Emery Simon to be treated like a spam king, and for Emery Simon to recieve a spam king's snail mail load? I don't suppose anyone has access to Emery's personal information? Or is this an overused solution already?

-EtA

Re:States Goals vs. Actual Goals (0)

herrvinny (698679) | about 11 years ago | (#6769813)

So we "slashdot" these BSA lobbyists via analog mode and hit them with tons of letters? I'm game. Anyone else want to join in?

Re:States Goals vs. Actual Goals (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6770021)

You have an analog computer to send email with?

Otherwise, what is a paper letter analogously variable to?

oh my god! (1)

atari2600 (545988) | about 11 years ago | (#6769803)

From the article
So alarmed agents of Microsoft sprang into high gear in June after a surprising quote appeared in Nature magazine from an official of the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO). The official said the Switzerland-based group of about 180 nations, which promotes intellectual-property rights and standards around the globe, was intrigued by the growth of the open-source movement and welcomed the idea of a meeting devoted to open-source's place in the intellectual-property landscape.


Can Microsoft challenge 180 groups from 180 nations?
The U.S. government, which wields considerable clout in WIPO, might not have needed prodding from Microsoft to demand that the idea of an open-source meeting be quashed.
*Shoots himself* argh someone run Windows on this gun - it is not killing me

Re:oh my god! (1)

Magic Thread (692357) | about 11 years ago | (#6769844)

argh someone run Windows on this gun - it is not killing me
And whose fault is that?

Free software is here to stay (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769805)

Regardless of what WIPE-ASS has a meeting on, or doesn't have a meeting on, there will still exist software that is given out or sold with loose restrictions. To assume anything else simply defies logic....

We may experience some bumps along the way, but our government can't ignore the millions of people who depend on Free software to earn their pay, run their businesses, and educate their minds. I doubt that in the long run, the legal system will continue to favor restrictive licenses heavily over non-restrictive ones.

You can run, Microsoft/Adobe/BSA/etc, but you can't hide! Of course you are also welcomed to join us!

Yes, I am optimistic...

Re:Free software is here to stay (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6770038)

I doubt that in the long run, the legal system will continue to favor restrictive licenses heavily over non-restrictive ones.

The only thing the law has to say regarding licences concerns their restrictions. So yes, the legal system will continue to favour more restrictive licences, and increasingly so. It's completely structured around that idea.

IP (5, Insightful)

Black Parrot (19622) | about 11 years ago | (#6769806)


> One lobbyist, Emery Simon with the Business Software Alliance, said his group objected to the suggestion in the proposal that overly broad or restrictive intellectual-property rights might in some cases stunt technological innovation and economic growth.

Given that the US Constitution justifies IP on the basis of promoting progress, we can't be asking the question of whether our laws actually do that, now can we?

IP law has become nothing more than an authorization for a gold rush, as everyone hurries to stake their claims until there's nothing left that you can do for free.

Re:IP (5, Insightful)

stanwirth (621074) | about 11 years ago | (#6769907)

Sadly, it costs a lot of money to exercise free speech in America.

The motto of the VFW: "Freedom isn't Free."

Millions of Americans have paid with more than money to protect this freedom. It is an absolute disgrace to those who have made the ultimate sacrifice to allow international corporations to throw so much money and influence at destroying the freedoms others have died to preserve.

And people worry about hurting their careers by promoting open source. Not exactly the face of courage, is it.

Re:IP (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6770044)

I'd rather die than be broke and have to live on the street. Therefore, for me, money > life.

Of course, I'm not talking about tons of money, just enough to live on.

Re:IP (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6770080)

The sad thing is the majority of vets support leaders that wave a flag with one hand while destroying freedom with another.

there's nothing left that you can do for free (1)

bstadil (7110) | about 11 years ago | (#6769952)

Sure, Give Disney et al the finger and hang out with your friends.

Drop Disney's latest story about a little fish, and attend a political meeting .

Turn in your expensive AAA membership for Free AA membership.

The list is endless, you make a good point though ;-)

You have no IP rights! (5, Interesting)

twitter (104583) | about 11 years ago | (#6770099)

IP law has become nothing more than an authorization for a gold rush, as everyone hurries to stake their claims until there's nothing left that you can do for free.

No, it's worse than that. A US Governemet representative has spouted some of Microsft's more outrageous and stupid anti-GPL FUD. This, from Lessing, is absolutly incredible:

Lois Boland, director of international relations for the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, said "that open-source software runs counter to the mission of WIPO, which is to promote intellectual-property rights."

If I don't have the right to share my IP as I please, what rights do I have? If I can't take my software and release it so that others can use it and share their insights to make it better, what can I do with it? Do I have to keep it to myself and hope that Microsoft will make me an offer for it?

This is total bullshit, I have every right to do as I please with my own work. If the government will back me up when I put silly restrictions on my users, it had better back me up when I put reasonable ones or none at all on them.

Louis Boland, for such a stupid statement, should be removed from her post imediatly. It shows a complete disregard for copyright law, free speech and even lacks common sense. It does not follow that the US government would spend my tax money to protect a restrictive publisher or author, but not one that is less restrictive and more directly meeting the purpose of copyright laws: to promote the state of the art and expand the public domain. Some people do not need government protection or direct monetary reward to share their ideas. It's as American as Ben Franklin's newspapers. Louis, I hope you have been taken out of context and will work to reverse this cancellation. WIPO needs to consider the issue and should encourage it because it is in everyone's best interest. If you really think free software is somehow counter to Intelectual Property rights, I hope that you are removed tomorrow and never see another public appointment.

This message was composed and posted on free software that is arguably better than Microsoft crap. It cost me less money to aquire and continues to cost me less money to maintain as well as enriching my knowledge of software and enabling me to contribute to the state of the art. Non-free software vendors won't even let me understand their inner workings, much less contribute to it's improvement.

This is all the Wipo Troll's fault (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769808)

Doesn't make any difference (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769814)

If the government were to switch to open source, Bush would give the money saved away to the richest 1% of Americans. Do you really think this administration would fund open source if they used it?

Re:Doesn't make any difference (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769887)

Because, as we all know, the government only gives money to the rich. The welfare scum never see a dime, even if they have to do nothing all day to get it.

Grow up.

Re:Doesn't make any difference (0)

Izago909 (637084) | about 11 years ago | (#6769941)

Yeah, screw those impoverished people and their damn capital gains tax cuts....

Re:Doesn't make any difference (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769980)

People that don't pay taxes don't worry about tax cuts.

Re:Doesn't make any difference (2, Insightful)

nexex (256614) | about 11 years ago | (#6770058)

well we wouldnt want the people actually paying taxes to get a tax break.

Re:Doesn't make any difference (1)

York the Mysterious (556824) | about 11 years ago | (#6770070)

Last time I checked the middle class were paying taxes and it seems to me like their sure not getting much for a tax return. I'm not going to be getting much at least. At the same time our lovely VP is getting 250,000 back. Seems pretty shitty to me.

So.... (5, Interesting)

Dark Paladin (116525) | about 11 years ago | (#6769818)

Does this mean that IBM could lobby to have Microsoft not considered? That Sun could lobby to get Apple banned from other meetings because they have a different set of Intellectual Property protection than what Buymusic.com has? (All right, bad example, but....)

It seems that the only way that some businesses (read: Microsoft) are able to keep up the pressure against Linux is by trying to do it with laws. Why don't we have an Open Source DVD player for Linux? Oh - well, the MPAA helped get a law passed that makes it basically illegal to create. Sorry about that, but that's just how it works.

Yes, I'm a little irritated, and if I discover that my local senator/congressman was involved in this in any way, they can expect a nastygram listed as "voting for the other guy come election day".

I find it interesting how the major players (aka "Microsoft") are trying to keep out their real competition. What if Open Source was part of the Intellectual Property decisions? Wouldn't that be a good thing for everybody if every OS supported Intellectual Property in a truly fair and just matter? Well, good for everyone except Microsoft - can't have a level playing field if we can keep the competition out, right?

Re:So.... (2, Informative)

metatruk (315048) | about 11 years ago | (#6769900)

Actually, we do have an open source DVD player for Linux. At least three of them in fact:
xine [xinehq.de]
mplayer [mplayerhq.hu]
VideoLAN client [videolan.org]

The only thing that's illegal is the CSS decryption libraries needed to play most (but not all) CSS "protected" DVDs.

Re:So.... (1)

Dark Paladin (116525) | about 11 years ago | (#6770030)

My bad - forgive a person who's been using OS X for a year so hadn't kept up.

Though - having those decryption libraries would be nice too.

Re:So.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6770048)

The decryption libraries are freely available on the non-USA internet.

They're probably legal now (1)

roystgnr (4015) | about 11 years ago | (#6770060)

The prosecution in the case against DeCSS argued that it wasn't covered by the "reverse engineering for interoperability" exceptions in the DMCA, because the defense couldn't at that time point to a working Linux DVD player using DeCSS code and because they got a judge dumb enough to buy the idea that software should go from "0 lines of code" to "fully working application" instantly.

Now that the ported libcss is a component part of every Linux DVD player, it will be harder for anyone to try and prosecute DeCSS distributors as purveyors of just a "circumvention tool".

So, what the PP meant is .... (1)

hummassa (157160) | about 11 years ago | (#6770061)

that USians can't have a working Free Software DVD player.

Re:So.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769947)

Does this mean that IBM could lobby to have Microsoft not considered?

According to SCO, IBM probably did!

Write your Senator! (4, Interesting)

corporatemutantninja (533295) | about 11 years ago | (#6769820)

Here's the email I just sent to my two senators: Dear Senator --, I just read in the Washington Post that the World Intellectual Property Organization had initiated plans for a meeting about the role of open source software. According to the article, a reference to the meeting in Nature magazine triggered a flurry of lobbying from organizations like the Business Software Alliance. (The BSA, in case you didn't know, is essentially just a division of Microsoft.) Even the U.S. Patent Office chimed in, portraying open source as somehow opposed to the ideas of intellectual property. The full Washington Post article is here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A234 22-2003Aug20.html Just so you don't think open source is some kind of "hippy thing", I work for the largest private equity firm in the world that is focused exclusively on information technology (here in Greenwich, CT) and I spend my days looking for good technology investments. It's clear to me that far from a fringe movement that opposes business, open source is a model for collaborative software development that makes possible a whole range of business models and innovations. Companies like IBM and Apple have wholeheartedly embraced open source. The only companies opposed to open source are those that currently enjoy relative monopolies in their areas. I.e., Microsoft. By putting actual competitive pressure on Microsoft, the open source has forced changes on Microsoft that the U.S. Government (or at least the last administration) were unable to accomplish. It distresses me that Microsoft's lobbying power has this much sway over our government, particularly since the open source movement is by it's nature decentralized and therefore has no cash reserves to fight back. By the way, if you don't know much about the BSA and open source, here is an article that describes the BSA's strong arm tactics used in bullying small businesses: http://news.com.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html?tag=l h I hope you will take this issue seriously and, if you haven't already, take some time to become educated on open source.

Write - don't email! Re:Write your Senator! (5, Insightful)

2toise (688494) | about 11 years ago | (#6769935)

I know, I know, none of us have even owned a pen for years, but the weight given to a real paper letter is hugely more than an email.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, consider writing a real letter!

WIPO's strained budget ?? (4, Interesting)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | about 11 years ago | (#6769824)

She added that the WIPO official who embraced the meeting had done so without proper consultation with the member states, and that WIPO's budget already is strained and cannot accommodate another meeting next year.

or next century, they're on such a tight budget. There are only 179 member world states after all ...

What a shitty excuse. Who do they take people for ?

morons extact yet another badtoll from corepirate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769825)

nazi felons.

nothing like a good start. two relevant stories. in 1 hr. that's unprecedented as well.

we'll see your wipo, & raise you some gnu wwwords.

consult with/trust in yOUR creator. vote with yOUR wallet. that's the spirit.

tough call for greed/fear based execrable (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6770001)

only wons who really know about/have much real to say, about the demise of the illicit softwar gangsters, & the gnu paradigm, are misters stallman & torvalds. the others have soul DOWt, so their opinions are worth less.

we can tell you about hand waving & star gazing, but that won't get your work done.

Politics and uh ... stuff? (5, Insightful)

LordKaT (619540) | about 11 years ago | (#6769831)

Honestly, I think the reasoning here is threefold:

First, and foremost, it was the political lobbying. Hey, if I had that kind of money, I sure as hell would use it to my advantage.

Secondly, and not as prominetly, it was also a fear of this just turning into a political flamewar

Third, the bitch needs to be sacked. To say that Opensource undercuts the ideals of "intellectual property" just goes to show either how incompetant she is, or to what degreee she has been bought.

--LordKaT

Re:Politics and uh ... stuff? (1)

njchick (611256) | about 11 years ago | (#6770002)

I agree with you, but please avoid the word "bitch". It undercuts your arguments.

Re:Politics and uh ... stuff? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6770034)

Why does the word "bitch" bother you? Are you personally insulted everytime a male calls a woman a bitch? Regardless if it's the truth?

A bitch, according to dictionary.com is "A woman considered to be spiteful or overbearing. A lewd woman." I certainly think that name applies here.

Re:Politics and uh ... stuff? (0, Offtopic)

SpaceLifeForm (228190) | about 11 years ago | (#6770083)

You're right. It should be 'ignorant bitch'.

US Patent and Trademark Office quote (5, Insightful)

tji (74570) | about 11 years ago | (#6769833)


From the article:
Lois Boland, director of international relations for the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, said that open-source software runs counter to the mission of WIPO, which is to promote intellectual-property rights.

"To hold a meeting which has as its purpose to disclaim or waive such rights seems to us to be contrary to the goals of WIPO," she said.


They obviously don't get it.

Or, maybe I don't.. Is there a broader assumption behind "intellectual property rights"? Is this assumed to be only the right to restrict your IP as much as possible? Or, the right to protect the IP of big businesses only?

Wouldn't the right to control how my IP is used, and demand that it remain open, and any changes remain open, fall neatly into Intellectual Property Rights? Perhaps Lois should read the GPL some time.

email her (5, Informative)

Un pobre guey (593801) | about 11 years ago | (#6769834)

Lois Boland lois.boland@uspto.gov

from an old link [uspto.gov] .

Re:email her (4, Interesting)

harryseldon (29164) | about 11 years ago | (#6769899)

Ask her why the policy of the WIPO is to attack IBM's business model.

Ask IBM why they are paying lobbyists to attack their own business model. (IBM belongs to the BSA).

Re:email her (1)

Un pobre guey (593801) | about 11 years ago | (#6770005)

{ Sue | Lobby | Threaten | Harass | Hype | Spin | FUD | Deny } first, ask questions later.

Re:email her (2, Insightful)

deranged unix nut (20524) | about 11 years ago | (#6770097)

For that matter, ask most tech companies why they seem to have a business model of trying to out-sue eachother!

Oracle, Real Audio, Sun, and Netscape were pushing for the anti-trust suit against Microsoft when they had the same business practices as everyone else...the only difference is that they were larger.

SCO sues everyone.
IBM sues SCO.
Sun sues Microsoft.
Microsoft sues Sun. ...

There are so many lawsuits, I think that only people making money off of high-tech are the lawyers!

Why do they care? (4, Insightful)

agent dero (680753) | about 11 years ago | (#6769835)

It's been obvious for some time that the U.S. government accepts a LOT of fundraising and soft money, OSS doesn't give politicians any, so why should they care about it?

Meanwhile, MS lobbies, and gives money to keep MS in the government. .

Except for a select few, the U.S. reps in power don't really go off idealism. They like their power, the money they get, and all the comps, until we get them to reform their own system, we don't have a choice

Re:Why do they care? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6770023)

"Except for a select few, the U.S. reps in power don't really go off idealism. They like their power, the money they get, and all the comps, until we get them to reform their own system, we don't have a choice"

Reform will never happen. Instead, maybe we should join the group and give random US senators free copies of Linux.

Why do they care?-Tea party at Gates house (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6770042)

Why should they care? Because their constituents care. Every single individual, and company that uses OSS becomes a force to be aknowledged(1). Think about it. You're a company that depends on OSS to run your business. Here's these "buggy whip" companies rallying to compromise, or eliminate the very thing that helps keeps you in business making money. Are you going to take that lying down? Hell no! There's strength in numbers. That's why the grassroot infiltration is so effective. There's only one Microsoft. There's, how many, individual small and medium sized businesses? Also don't forget a lot of big companies depend greatly on smaller companies. And there's all those *voting* Americans out there who've seen what OSS can do for them. Are they going to give up too, because Microsoft and friends are too big.

(1) This applies regardless of weither one is in the US or not. The lever one pulls will simply be different.

The WIPO is as bad as the wipo troll! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769842)



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Why do I keep receiving emails from an individual calling himself CmdrTaco?



You have been receiving unsolicited mailings from a certain
Robert CmdrTaco Malda [cmdrtaco.net] , owner of the popular technology website slashdot.org [slashdot.org] . Actually, its not a very popular site in the common sense of the word; the site is rife with pimply, antisocial geeks and hackers, zit-faced nerds, communists, dirty GNU hippies [yahoo.com] , and other societal rejects and outcasts. Its also home to one of the worlds largest suspected pdophile rings, the infamous Slashdot crew.


Whenever Mr. Malda gets bored (and who wouldnt, running a site like
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This time, he found
you. Lucky you.


Mr. Malda seems to be speaking in some sort of code. Do you know what it means?



CmdrTacos code language is relatively easy to decipher. This pervert prefers to speak in thinly-veiled sexual innuendo (yes, thats right: he wants you) to evade the watchful eye of Slashdots parent corporation,
VA Software [yahoo.com] . Mr. Maldas Commander is, of course, his penis: a small, withered little thing that lives in his pants and only comes out in the presence of other male geeks or at the beck and call of Maldas own lubed-up right hand. His Taco bells [sonymusic.com] are the shriveled testicles that droop beneath his Commander, and his Taco sauce is his thin, runny semen. It should be more than obvious to you now what he means if he asked you to ring his Taco bells or taste his gourmet Taco sauce.


I would also guess CmdrTaco asked you to engage in a practice known as Taco-snotting and, if he was in a particularly depraved mood at the time, a circle-snot.


Good Lord. And, yes, he did. What is Taco-snotting?



Taco-snotting is the term used by Robert Malda to refer to the depraved act of fellating another man (homo- or heterosexual; CmdrTaco is rumoured to prefer raping unwilling victims), then blowing the semen out his nose and back onto the face and body of his victim. Naturally, a long, bubbly stream of milky-white semen is
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And if thats not bad enough


A circle-snot is a Taco-snotting
circle-jerk, another practice common among the Slashdot crew [bastardgenres.com] . CmdrTaco, CowboiKneel [aol.com] , and Homos get together and snot each other with their gooey, sticky cum spooging their jizz-snot all over each others faces and pasty, white bodies, until theyre covered head to toe with their own and each others man juice. This vile, ungodly ritual can go on for hours. For the homosexual penetration that follows this lengthy foreplay, Roblowme is usually there to provide plenty of anal lubricant; he owns a limousine service and has ample supplies of motor oil and axle grease ready to go.


To complete this perverted orgy, fellow faggots Michael, Timothy, and Jamie will usually join in, dressed in tight leather mock-S.S. uniforms, jack boots, and leather gloves. The homosexual shenanigans that follow are nearly beyond description. The whole group begins to snot each others spunk and whip each others pudgy asses with riding crops and chains until their pale, white geek bodies are exhausted and soaked in stinking sweat from the hours of passionate, homosexual revelry.


Ewwwwww. So, can I stop receiving these emails?



Hopefully, but I wouldnt count on it.


To begin with, you most likely forgot to uncheck the Willing to Snot checkbox in your account preferences. CmdrTaco has probably already got the hots for your wad (do you have a homosexual-sounding nick?), and hes probably already been lurking outside your bathroom window for weeks with a camera, some tissues and lube, just waiting to pounce and declare you his new bitch. Theres no escaping a geek in heat (trust me), so its probably too late for you, but you can possibly rectify this situation. To remove yourself from CmdrTacos sights, log into your Slashdot account, go to your user page, click on
Messages, and uncheck the box next to Willing to Snot. Maybe hell ignore you. Probably not.


I cant stop receiving these emails from CmdrTaco!?



If you indulge him in a Taco-snot or two, he
might leave you alone. You might also want to look into mail filtering, restraining orders, or purchasing a heavy, blunt object capable of warding off rampaging homosexual geeks in heat. Trust me, when they charge oh, the humanity. If he gets you, and you let him Taco-snot all over you, you will most likely end up tied up in his basement to be used as his sex slave for the rest of your life (or until he accidentally drowns you in spunk in a circle-snot).


Have you ever been Taco-snotted?



Unfortunately, yes. I first met Mr. Malda at an
Open Source Convention [amazon.com] . He invited me back to his room for a game of Quake and some gourmet Tacos, but when I got there, the perverted geek jumped me and handcuffed me to his bed, stripping me. After taking his Commander out of his pants, Mr. Taco made me suck the withered thing six times, virtually nonstop. He then performed his vile Taco-snotting ritual on me three times over the next two hours, bringing me to orgasm after orgasm after sweaty, mind-numbing orgasm then he snotted my own thick, gooey jizz back onto my face out of his nostrils! He snotted me two more times, first into my mouth, then again on my exposed belly.


CmdrTaco invited several of his Open Source (or rather, Open Sauce man sauce) buddies over to continue their ungodly snotfest. European hacker and known berfaggot Linux Torvalds
raped my ass [yahoo.com] with his monolithic kernel [yahoo.com] ; his partner-in-crime Anal Cox used their network stack in a multitude of unspeakable ways on and in every orifice of my defenseless, tender, young body. Michael Sims was there in his leather Nazi uniform, caning my previously-virginal ass with a bamboo pole and ranting about all those Censorware [spectacle.org] freaks out to get him.


That is so disgusting! How did you finally escape?



After about 16 hours of countless unholy, homosexual atrocities perpetrated against my restrained body, they all finally went to sleep on top of me, sweat-soaked and exhausted. I was left there, completely covered in bubbly, translucent jizz-snot, chained to the bed, with half a dozen fat, pasty-white fags lying around and on top of me. Fortunately the spooge coating my flesh worked wonderfully as a lubricant I was able to squirm my way out of the handcuffs and slip out the back door (of the apartment, not their back doors). Im just glad I survived the awful ordeal. These sexually-repressed hackers had a
lot of built-up spunk in their wads I couldve easily been drowned!


Thats horrible. Does Taco-snotting have anything to do with CmdrTacos special taco?



No, thats a different disgusting perversion CmdrTaco indulges himself in. Mr. Malda is usually not satisfied with merely snotting your own jizz back onto your face, he most often enjoys involving his own bodily fluids in his twisted games.
WeatherTroll [slashdot.org] has spent some time trying to educate the Slashdot readership [slashdot.org] about this vile practice (emphasis added):

You may be wondering what CmdrTacos special taco is. You will be wishing that you hadnt been wondering after you finish reading this post. To make his special taco, CmdrTaco takes a taco shell and
shits on it. He then adds lettuce, takes out his tiny withered dick (otherwise known as his Commander), puts his special taco sauce on it which means he jacks off on the taco, and adds a compound to make the person who eats the taco unconscious. Of course, the compound does not make the person unconscious until the taco is fully eaten. Thus CmdrTaco force-feeds the taco to the unsuspecting victim. After all, who would knowingly eat shit and CmdrTacos jizz?


After the victim is unconscious, he is held against his will and used for CmdrTacos nefarious homosexual purposes. This includes shoving taco shells up the victims ass, Taco-snotting, and getting Jon Katz involved. Trust me, you do not want Jon Katz anywhere near your unconscious body. Also, rumor has it CmdrTaco is looking for a new
goatse.cx guy [goatse.cx] . Dont let it be you!


Different ungodly perversion, yet no less revolting. It should be clear to you now that Robert CmdrTaco Malda is a very, very sick individual, as are most of the Slashdot editors.


Does Jon Katz get involved in any of this? I thought he was a pdophile, not a homosexual.



Actually, Jon Katz is a
homosexual pdophile. Hes also a coprophiliac, and, many suspect, a zoophile.


Mr. Katz is somewhat of a loner and doesnt involve himself in the circle-snots, but that doest mean hes any less of a freak than the rest of the Slashdot crew. Katz often engages in a game called
juicy-douching [aol.com] with a harem of little-boy slaves that he has collected over the years: yet another vile practice which involves administering an enema to himself of the little boys urine (forced out of them with a pair of pincers), spooging the vile muck from his ass back into the enema bag, then dribbling and slathering the goo all over himself and the boys chained, naked bodies. If hes in the mood, he will sometimes skip refilling the enema bag from his distended anus and just squirt it from his ass [microsoft.com] onto the crying, terrified boys. Unwilling boys are further tortured with the pincers until they comply and allow Mr. Katz to juicy-douche them at will. A boy will usually last about two years before Mr. Katz either accidentally drowns them in diarrhea or kills them once they get too old, usually around 13 or 14.


Not content with being a pdophilic coprophile, Mr. Katz is
also quite the zoophile. As if the sexual escapades with the helpless little boys arent enough, Jon usually enjoys his juicy-douches best when his penis is firmly planted in a female goats anus [yahoo.com] . He is also rumoured to get off on watching his little boys eat the goats small, bean-like turds, and he often kills his older boys by letting his goats trample them.


Are you getting hard writing this?



Why, yes. :) Join me in a WIPO-snot?


No, thanks. Im already CmdrTacos boi toi.



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Copyright 2001
J. Wipo Troll, Esq. [slashdot.org] Verbatim crapflooding of this document is permitted in any medium, provided this copyright notice is preserved, and next time you take a dump, you think of the WIPO Troll and all hes done to make Slashdot a better place.

To all americans .... (5, Insightful)

quax (19371) | about 11 years ago | (#6769845)

... please, please take such things into consideration when casting your vote in 2004.

Re:To all americans .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769921)

Yeah, we took it into consideration when we voted in 2000. Too bad the Supreme Court overturned that vote....

The U.S. Government: the best government money can appoint.

Re:To all americans .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6770101)

I have to admit you're right. It didn't matter who got the most votes in Florida--it mattered which ones got counted.

The lessons that apparently not enough Gore supporters learned were that they are not alone in their dismay over the election, they should not overstate their case, and they should not blame the wrong people for the stolen election.

As to point number 1--I did not vote for Gore. I thought he was smart and articulate, but his policy ideas were crap. Nevertheless, he won the election fairly and I'm dismayed about the coup staged to keep him out of office. Democrats please remember: Republicans had their democracy stolen that day, too, and some of them gave a damn about it.

Point number 2--Gore didn't win by a whole hell of a lot, and he didn't get a majority at all. His win was statistically insignificant. The election was a tie--Gore just got his votes clumped together in the right spots (if you neglect to count the ones at the Supreme Court) Gore had no mandate. All he did was squeak out a close election.

Point number 3--Don't blame Jeb. Jeb behaved fairly well during the circus (and he pretty much had to). Bush's cousin (who ran Fox News and declared his cousin to be president--other networks, hating to get "scooped" decided that a definitive headline was sexier than "we don't know" and followed suit) behaved very badly, intentionally skewing the debate from "who won?" to "will gore take away bush's win?" And Harris..well, she's a piece of work too. That's all. But basically, I'm voting against Bush in 2004 for no other reason than he's against democracy and free elections in America. That's more important than all the other issues we agree on.

Re:To all americans .... (1)

Tuqui (96668) | about 11 years ago | (#6770064)

.. please, please take such things into consideration when casting your vote in 2004.

Old news (1)

segment (695309) | about 11 years ago | (#6769860)


I posted this yesterday [slashdot.org] I don't know what's going on maybe I have to GPL my posts and demand compensation for it or so. Don't worry michael my lawyer will contact j00

reply to my own reply (1)

segment (695309) | about 11 years ago | (#6769978)

damnit I borked the link... here was the post [slashdot.org] ... Now about that compensation michael, cmdrtaco... I want all my patented html stripped

Reading /. is making me depressed (0, Troll)

f-matic (643215) | about 11 years ago | (#6769861)

The RIAA bullshit, the SCO bullshit, the movie industry anti-text messaging bullshit, and now this bullshit? Jesus! Makes me think I should exercise the UK citizenship I got lying and quit the U.S. for Canada..

Oh well - at least I now have a good excuse for my impending drunken stupor this evening..

So basically... (4, Insightful)

Azureflare (645778) | about 11 years ago | (#6769865)

IP needs to go, or be massively revised. IP as it is, is abused and manipulated in such a fashion as to allow companies to squash competition, and beat other countries into submission (i.e. developing countries). The idea that IP in developing countries will aid technological advancement because of "Financial incentives" is simply ridiculus; where is that money coming from? And besides, if everything is closed source, won't it all come from Microsoft?

Open-source allows each country to be less dependant on the United States for advances in computer technology, because they won't be tied down to Microsoft. This is just the same game the U.S. plays with all other things; we want complete domination of the world market.

IP is ok if only the United States exists in the world, but once you get the whole world involved, open-source becomes much more attractive as a computing solution.

People will probably say, "Without IP, you can't survive if you write programs etc." Well, there must be a way to set up a system that WILL allow you to make money, without invoking IP. Perhaps someone more knowledgable than me can say what that is.

Re:So basically... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769910)

Write new programs people want, modify existing open-source programs to meet their EXACT needs (no more one-size-fits-all computing). People do pay for this, particularly companies.

Programmers can still make money on open source - people always need strange new code written or adapted. The only people who can't make money are the middlemen. Aww, poor middlemen.

Why pass laws... (1)

WindBourne (631190) | about 11 years ago | (#6769867)

if you can get the government to do your bidding for you behind the scences?

May be I'm wrong, but . . . (2, Interesting)

harley_frog (650488) | about 11 years ago | (#6769882)

I thought the GPL grants the creator IP rights, but it is the creator who chooses to release his/her code to the open source community for consideration. I don't recall anywhere in the GPL where the creator actually surrenders his/her IP rights. If that's true, the what better forum to explore this issue than in front of the WIPO?

Very discouraging (4, Interesting)

sloth jr (88200) | about 11 years ago | (#6769891)

Big business kidney punches the consumer once again.

It's not like I can't understand their concern - I work for a company selling proprietary software (running on open-source OSes), and I'm not thrilled about the notion of someone else fielding a product we can't compete with (assuming feature parity).

If someone does, however, then more power to them. They went to the effort, and they decided that all should benefit from the fruits of their labor.
That's downright noble.

What big business seems to be doing here is using process rather than product to beat down the barbarian hordes. Why shouldn't the intellectual property concerns of open source advocates be taken into consideration when formulating a world IP policy?

sloth jr

THE WIPO TROLL LIVES!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769898)

What is "Taco-snotting?"

"Taco-snotting" is a term used by one
Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda [cmdrtaco.net] [cmdrtaco.net], owner of the popular technology website Slashdot [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org], to refer to the practice of sucking off a homosexual man (or unwilling heterosexual; CmdrTaco doesn't care, and is rumored to actually prefer rape) and blowing the semen back out his nose onto his partner's (or victim's) face or body. Usually a long, bubbly stream of milky-white semen is left on CmdrTaco's face, dribbling out of his nose, down his cheek: hence the term, "Taco-snotting."

Good Lord. Why have I been receiving emails from CmdrTaco asking me if he can Taco-snot me?

I'm guessing you've received an email similar to the following:
From: malda@slashdot.org [mailto] [mailto]
To: wipotroll@hotmail.com
Subject: Hey, baby - jion me in a taco-snott! :)

Hey, baby!

Ever done a taco-snotting with anothar fellow geek? Its more fun then trolling Slashdot, trust me! all that talk you troll with about homasexual incest and stuff got me all horny and hot for you! Is it serius? Please tell me that itt is! If you want to get with me and my Slashdot bois, drop me an emale!

ps- Please replie to me at horny_rob_6969@hotmail.com. I'd rather the guys at VA Linux are not seen this. :) :)

--
CmdrTaco (malda@slashdot.org [mailto] [mailto])
You most likely forgot to uncheck the "Willing to Taco-snot" checkbox in your account preferences. Whenever CmdrTaco gets bored (and who wouldn't, running a site like Slashdot all day), he roams through the Slashdot database, penis in hand, looking for people who might enjoy being Taco-snotted. How he determines this is anyone's guess; but if you have a homosexual-sounding nickname, you're in trouble. So this time, he found you. Lucky you.
CmdrTaco has probably already got the hots for your wad, and he's probably already been lurking outside your bathroom window for weeks with a camera, some tissues and lube. There's no escaping a geek in heat, so it's probably too late for you, but you can possibly rectify this situation. To remove yourself from CmdrTaco's sights, log into your Slashdot account, go to your user page, click on
Messages, and uncheck the box next to "Willing to Taco-snot." Maybe he'll ignore you. Probably not.

I can't stop receiving these emails from CmdrTaco!?

Probably not. If you indulge him in a Taco-snot or two, he
might leave you alone. You might also want to look into mail filtering, restraining orders, or purchasing a heavy, blunt object capable of warding off rampaging homosexual geeks in heat. Trust me, when they charge... oh, the humanity. If he gets you, and you let him Taco-snot you, he might end up tying you up in his basement to use you as his sex slave for the rest of your life (or until he accidentally drowns you in spunk in a vile practice known as a "circle-snot").

What is a "Circle-snot"?

A "circle-snot" is a Taco-snotting
circle-jerk, another practice common among homosexual geeks. This is when CmdrTaco, CowboiKneel, and Homos get together and Taco-snot each other repeatedly with their gooey, hot, and sticky cum -- spooging their dicks all over each other's faces and pasty-white bodies until they're all covered head to toe with man juice. Roblowme usually provides plenty of extra lubricant; he owns a limo service and has ample supplies of motor oil and axle grease.
To complete this perverted orgy, fellow geeks Michael, Timothy, and Jamie often join in, dressed in black Gestapo uniforms, jack boots, and leather gloves. The whole group then proceeds to snot each other's spunk and whip each other's pudgy asses with riding crops and chains until their pasty-white geek bodies are sweaty and exhausted from all the passionate, homosexual revelry.

Eww. Have you ever been Taco-Snotted?

Unfortunately, yes. I first met CmdrTaco at an
Open Source Convention [geocities.com] [geocities.com]. He invited me back to his room for a game of Quake, but when I got to there, he jumped me and tied me to his bed, stripping me. After taking his "Commander" out of his pants and made me suck him, he performed his vile Taco-snotting ritual on me three times over the next two hours, bringing me to orgasm, then snotting my own jizz back onto my face, in my mouth, then again on my belly.
CmdrTaco invited several of his Open Source (or rather, "Open Sauce" -- man sauce) Convention buddies over to continue the snotfest. Linux Torvalds raped my ass with his "monolithic kernel," and Anal Cox used his "network stack" in a multitude of unspeakable ways on and in every orifice in my body.
How did I finally escape? After about 16 hours of countless homosexual atrocities perpetrated against my helpless body, they all finally went to sleep, sweat-soaked and exhausted. I was left there, covered in geek jizz-snot, chained to the bed, with fat, pasty white fags lying around and on top of me. Fortunately the spooge coating my entire body worked wonderfully as a lubricant; I was able to squirm my way out of the handcuffs and slip out the back door. I'm just glad I survived the ordeal. These geeks had a
lot of built-up spunk in their wads -- I could've easily been drowned!

That's horrible. Does Jon Katz get involved in this? I thought he was a paedophile, not a homosexual.

Actually, Jon Katz is a homosexual paedophile. He's also a coprophiliac, and, many suspect, a zoophile. Jon Katz is somewhat of a loner and doesn't involve himself in circle-snots. Mr. Katz usually engages in a game called "Katz juicy-douching" with his harem of little-boy slaves: a vile practice which involves administering an enema to himself of the little boy's urine (forced out of them with a pair of pliers), spooging the vile muck from his ass back into the enema bag, then squirting and slathering the goo all over himself, and the little boy's chained-up and naked bodies. Unwilling boys are further tortured with the pliers until they comply and allow Mr. Katz to juicy-douche them for the rest of their lives.
As I already said, Mr. Katz is
also a zoophile. As if the sexual escapades with the helpless little boys aren't enough, Jon usually enjoys his juicy-douches best when his penis is firmly planted in a female goat's anus. He is also rumoured to get off on watching his little boys eat the goat's small, bean-like turds.

...Are you getting hard writing this?

Why, yes. :) Join me in a WIPO-snot? I promise I won't try and rape you or kidnap you and make you my sex slave or anything. I'm not like CmdrTaco or Mr. Katz; I only enjoy snotting on willing partners.

What's that screaming I hear coming from your basement?

Oh, that's just my little sister; I got her chained up down there. In fact, I just finished snotting all over her body. You should see her squirm when I spooge on her belly, lick it up, and snot it all over her face! She's such a feisty little 14 year-old bitch. Of
course she's my sex slave, she's my sister. What else would she be good for? So, join me in a WIPO-snot?

No, thanks. I'm already CmdrTaco's boi toi.

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READER COMMENTS

  1. TACO-SNOTTING is really Donkey-Punching (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.15 6:38 (#2567601 [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org])

    No no no, the correct term for that is "donkey-punch". I have eye-witnessed this amazing eye-popping event demonstrated on unsuspecting hose-monsters by my frat brothers in the past.. . :-)
  2. Re:the effect of knowlege laws... (Score:1)
    by AbsoluteRelativity [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.15 5:31 (#2567457 [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org])

    The WIPO Troll [foundus.com] [foundus.com]
    Slashdot and the Karma Lottery - News for uber monkeys, by uber monkeys.
  3. Re:Taco-Snotting (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.13 9:27 (#2557632 [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org])

    Oh, man that's just sick !
  4. HOW DO I GET AN ANONYMOUS PROXY? (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.13 9:03 (#2557604 [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org])

    TELL ME WHERE I CAN GET AN ANONYMOUS proxy please WIPO Troll. Maybe later i will join you in a snotting at my place. ;P
  5. Re:Taco-Snottage!?!?!? (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by vikool [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.13 7:43 (#2557495 [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org])

    what is this bull shit,i feel offened that some people feel so so senseless to post stuff like these esp when such a tragic incident has occured
  6. Re:Taco-felching!! (Score:-1)
    by I.T.R.A.R.K. [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.11 22:38 (#2551890 [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org])

    Where the fuck do I sign up?!

    - I throw rocks at retarded kids

    "Adequacy.org: Where congenital stupidity is not an option, but a requirement."
  7. Re:Taco-felching!! (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 21:53 (#2551753 [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org])

    this shit is hilarious..keep up the good work.
  8. Re:Taco-felching!! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by rockwood [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.11 21:49 (#2551746 [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org])

    OMG! That is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard! WHo in their right mind would sit down and waste the time to construct such a replusive story. I guess I'll be skipping lunch and dinner today.. and possibly tomorrow also. The game doesn't affect reality. Reality affects the game.
  9. Re:Ban this! It's disgusting!! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 14:43 (#2550701 [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org])

    dude, this is crap-flood material if i ever saw it.
    duuuuuuuuudddddddddddddeeeeeeeee.
  10. Re:Taco-Snotting = HATE SPEECH (Score:-1, Flamebait)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 8:16 (#2550266 [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org])

    horny_rob_6969@hotmail.com

    Ah, so that's what the alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.horny-rob newsgroup is about!
  11. MOD THIS UP PLEASE!!! (Score:-1)
    by egg troll [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.11 5:34 (#2550024 [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org])

    +5, Arousing

    For more info check out this /. article [google.com] [google.com]
  12. Re:Taco-Snotting = HATE SPEECH (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 4:39 (#2549891 [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org])

    WINNER>
  13. Re:Taco-Snotting = HATE SPEECH (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 4:37 (#2549887 [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org])

    I love you. Why do you use your bitchslapped account, rather than signing up for a new account to post at +1 before getting bitchslapped by the censors here? I guess I should speak for myself, but I don't want to log out and lose all my slashdot customization properties, nor do I want to lose my 50 karma yet.
  14. Re:On Taco-Snotting (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.09 9:19 (#2542412 [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org])

    you fucking rock! right down to the expanded cvs id!

    WIPO trolls > linux

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lobbyists (1)

chaosandmadness (647086) | about 11 years ago | (#6769909)

While reading the links, I had an amusing thoughts about BSA and other lobbyists who try to eliminate even having discussions about OSS.
Think back to the movie Fight Club, where they abduct certain unsavory individuals and convince them to stop their heinous ways using only a rubber-band and a knife...

Intellectual Property (4, Insightful)

heli0 (659560) | about 11 years ago | (#6769914)

http://www.desnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,510048824,00 .html [desnews.com]

"As he was seeking political favors, a friend of Sen. Orrin Hatch bought a whopping 1,200 copies of Hatch's largely self-produced music CDs, for which Hatch receives $3 to $7 each.

Hatch, R-Utah, and his friend, Monzer Hourani, a Houston developer who twice before has landed Hatch into major ethics controversies, say he wasn't trying to buy political help with those CDs and they merely share a love of his music."


This is the asshole that wants to let the RIAA/MPAA 'destroy' your computer if they suspect your of violating their IP rights. Nice to see how he skirts campaign finance rules.

Carl, Carl Sabatino (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769924)

Hey look it's Carl, Carl Sabatino.

Misinterpretation (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769939)

That someone who doesn't understand them is at a high level of this government just shows...

That the Bush administration's appointees and advisors are working out exactly as planned. Governmnent by the lowest common denominator, for the lowest common denominator. It's sort of democratic, in a set-theory sense. What people really want in a leader is someone who can unabashedly screw up just as badly as they themselves would. ;)

Property Rights vs. Property Creation (4, Insightful)

Schlemphfer (556732) | about 11 years ago | (#6769954)

No surprise that Lessig got to the heart of the Post article in his comments. Unfortunately, It appears that Lessig accidentally turned a paraphrase attributed to Bolland into a direct quote. Paraphrasing Boland, the Post wrote:

open-source software runs counter to the mission of WIPO, which is to promote intellectual-property rights.

In his weblog, Lessig mistakenly turned this paraphrase into a direct quotation from Boland. He then continued, this time with an actual quotation from Boland taken from the same article:

To hold a meeting which has as its purpose to disclaim or waive such rights seems to us to be contrary to the goals of WIPO.

I'm not at all saying that the Post mischaracterized what Boland was saying, but it's important that words aren't put in her mouth, which is what Lessig inadvertently did.

Now, on to Lessig's analysis:

If Lois Boland said this, then she should be asked to resign. The level of ignorance built into that statement is astonishing, and the idea that a government official of her level would be so ignorant is an embarrassment. First, and most obviously, open-source software is based in intellectual-property rights. It can't exist (and free software can't have its effect) without it.

Lessig makes a good point about property rights, and how free software does not subvert them.

But free software is nevertheless deeply subversive. What it subverts is not property rights, but the ability of corporations to corner the market in a variety of software applications. Whether Microsoft builds it, or OpenOffice.org builds it, something of value is being created whenever people sit down to code software. The only question is whether this labor enriches society as a whole, or whether a significant part of that labor extracts wealth from society for the benefit of Microsoft's shareholders.

It seems to me that Boland's view of WIPO is that it exists to serve the interests of companies who create proprietary software. One of the drawbacks to free software is that it is, well, free. And unless a company (like IBM) gets a vested interest in selling hardware and services to accompany this free software, there's not going to be money to counter the lobbyists who steer WIPO's agenda in a pro-Microsoft direction.

This is interesting (1, Interesting)

GoatPigSheep (525460) | about 11 years ago | (#6769955)

In Canada, generally political decisions are made in the best interests of the people and not the best interests of companies.

I find it odd that America is considered a "Democratic Republic" when decisions relevant to government security are made in the best interest of one company.

Truly the land of the free (enterprise).

I WANT TO TACO SNOT YOU, SAILOR! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769979)

Hmmmm... (1)

Jaysyn (203771) | about 11 years ago | (#6769957)

Sniff, sniff.... Do I smell....fear?

Jaysyn

So what.... (4, Interesting)

FatRatBastard (7583) | about 11 years ago | (#6769959)

Frankly I don't think this will really do much for or against the adoption of FOSS. The fact of the matter is Linux/*BSD/Apache/Perl/et al are taking off all by themselves, and the way the licenses are designed there's no way to legislate FOSS out of existance without fundamentally changing copyright laws, so much in so it would be detrimental to all software companies.

FOSS is here to stay and will continue to be adopted whether or not the WIPO sit around and talk about it.

Re:So what.... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6770016)

Software patents can really screw up open source. Guess who the biggest software patent holders are? Microsoft, you say?

Actually NO, it's IBM, and it is IBM who are strongly lobbying the german government to introduce software patents in europe, too.

I predict that IBM will use Open Source stuff to eliminate software businesses built on copyright monopolies. But make no mistake, they WILL use patents to control the market with an Iron fist once tehy have disposed of microsoft.

So, let me get this straight: (4, Insightful)

Dark Lord Seth (584963) | about 11 years ago | (#6769966)

One lobbyist, Emery Simon with the Business Software Alliance, said his group objected to the suggestion in the proposal that overly broad or restrictive intellectual-property rights might in some cases stunt technological innovation and economic growth.

So, it's open source that drives our society to technological and economical stagnation! I mean, of course $100.000+ fines [slashdot.org] , crooked CEOs bent on stock fraud wearing the IP sword (+3, +5 vs trolls) [slashdot.org] and the fact that users get nailed up the arse in the name of piracy [slashdot.org] are all good signs of a healthy economy where any technological advancement is sued into oblivion and where economic growth is humongous -- for a select few.

I must cry but there aren't enough tears.

Change Happens and Innovation will win .... (2, Insightful)

OldHawk777 (19923) | about 11 years ago | (#6769973)

The Global Capitalist Republic Governing Body, well okay maybe they're called the illuminati must defend their interest (IP/IPR/...) by all means possible. Then again maybe the right name is WTO or World Bank, or IMF, or ....
I hope y'all understand we are politically outnumbered, under-funded, poorly organized, .... Dang this sort of leaves you feeling like all heroic efforts by the OSS community are wasted.
We have lost the war, but not surrendered, we have not failed, we have not been defeated, dinosaurs go extinct, aristocrats pass into insignificant, but interesting reading, news shorts, and box-office dud movies.
We should never expect the ruling elite to embrace or control the future. In other words ... they will lose, and we will gain the future. Sorry, some of my "60s" attitude is hard to oppress. Also, 1969-71 I was in the USMC. I remain (as always) flabbergasted and bewildered by reality or maybe it's those flashbacks.

OldHawk777

Reality is a self-induced hallucination.

I learned something today. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6769982)

I always thought that WIPO was just some kind of troll. Now I know better.

Bad move for WIPO (1)

Cyno (85911) | about 11 years ago | (#6769993)

I never respected them to begin with, but this just confirms my suspicions. However, they have lost a lot of respect from the open source community. There are probably more people in the world who now think WIPO is irrelevant than those who might claim otherwise.

Game on. (4, Interesting)

BrynM (217883) | about 11 years ago | (#6769999)

Between this, SCO, and the stuff MS et al have tried in the past year, consider it game on for the war on OSS. I get the feeling that things are really going to heat up as we head into 2004 and get even hotter in 2004. Thankfully, OSS has enough of a foothold to defend itself and (hopefuly) survive. I'll be sending another FSF donation tonight, what else can we do folks? We need some OSS lobbyists or companies with lobbyists to want to help protect OSS. Ideas? Suggestions?

Re:Game on. (1)

metachimp (456723) | about 11 years ago | (#6770088)

Where do you think SCO got the money for the lawsuit? A former boss of mine, who's now involved in the VC community, asserts that Microsoft assisted SCO with some funding for the lawsuit, that they put SCO up to it.

oh dear (1, Troll)

carpe_noctem (457178) | about 11 years ago | (#6770008)

I'm shocked. Simply flabbergasted. Someone brace me; I think I might faint.

I'm sorry Microsoft but it's over (0, Flamebait)

WildBeast (189336) | about 11 years ago | (#6770035)

I've always been behind Microsoft most of the time and I defended them again and again but this takes the cake. I see lobby groups as anti-democratic.

On the other hand this whole thing started with the US DOJ trying to sue MS and tell them what to do, well looks like it ended with MS smartening up, pooring some money into lobby groups in order to tell the government what to do. The government shouldn't have messed with Microsoft to begin with.

One way to help... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6770039)

Almost entirely unrelated, but I became an associate member of the Free Software Foundation today :-)... so at least I can feel I'm doing my bit to help such matters.

If this kinda thing makes you angry, put your money where your mouth is and join the FSF [fsf.org] ...

There's a lot more at stake than most realize... (5, Interesting)

nohup (26783) | about 11 years ago | (#6770052)

The key to this article was in the second-to-last paragraph:

"But open-source is not just a political challenge. It strikes a starkly different, and sometimes opposite, pose from that of traditional capitalist systems."

Many companies are afraid of what this might mean to their current business model. What could open source eventually do the global economy as a whole? This "quiet war" against open source is being waged mostly by corporations in the U.S. that feel they probably have the most to lose.

Consider possible long term effects for them: The U.S. economy has seen absolutely stunning growth during the past 100 years. It has doubled in size six times during that period. Economic theory suggests that this happened because of the technological advancements. Now in the Internet age, any person in even third world countries can get online and instantly have all of the knowledge of a highly professional college graduate from the U.S. Open source gives them the opportunity to have access to information, tools, and concepts which normally would have been accessible only by the traditional business model in first world countries at a price. With the open information revolution it is "free". This concept alone could revolutionize economies around the world: suddenly they have access to the same information, but without the price. This over time will lessen the technological dominance the U.S. has held traditionally. Any new developments made within the U.S. can easily be copied and re-produced in other countries, and possibly even countries with a better comparative advantage than the U.S. (meaning they can do the same for less).

  • Case in point:
it took technology companies many years to reach the point where hard drives, CPU's, memory, etc. in a PC are so fast and big as they are today. Now, anyone in a poor country could get a computer, and instantly have the benefit of all those years of development. Then with that computer, they can start downloading open source software and accessing information that they would never have been able to do otherwise. A relatively poor Ecuadorian could learn skills to rival his U.S. counterparts, start programming and outsource at a much cheaper price!

This is scary for U.S. companies because it means the competition would suddenly increase, and given the relatively high cost of labor in the U.S., it could mean harder economic times for us. I imagine there would be sort of an "evening out" effect economically between the U.S. and other countries.

On top of this, when consumers are faced between the choice of two products, one that is free and one that is $100 (for example), the closer they are to being just as good, the less the consumers will buy the commercial product. To have to compete with open source would mean large profit losses for companies especially like Microsoft, who has for a long time enjoyed near monopoly status.

The only thing protecting this from changing are so called "Intellectual Property" laws that would prevent this from happening. When you see it this way, you see that Microsoft and others are simply trying to protect their interests and investment. Personally, I like the open source revolution. It definately benefits customers. We all benefit from competition, but companies have an increasingly hard time surviving in such conditions. I also recognize the importance of companies though: they are the ones that make the economic wheel spin. We rely on companies for our jobs. We have some interesting decades ahead of us. I honestly believe open source, and open information as a whole will be the main factors in revolutionizing the global economy yet again.

Is it any wonder that these companies, and even our own U.S. government fear somewhat the effect open source could have on their respective growth and income? How about we as individuals of the U.S.?

CmdrTaco's Modbombing FAQ (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6770053)

1. Who is this FAQ intended for?

Victims of so-called "modbombing", which DOES NOT EXIST.

2. What is modbombing?
"Modbombing" (which doesn't exist) is the name for a mythical series of moderations that result in several moderations of a user's comment in a negative fashion.

3. Why would anyone make up something as silly as that?

This is a myth invented and perpetuated by known serial trollers. They even claim that "rouge editors" [slashdot.org] "modbomb" entire threads of comments. Which is obviously [slashdot.org] a false myth, once again.

4. If modbombing doesn't exist, why did you stop taking the time off messages sent telling you that you received moderations?

To save bandwidth. Obviously, on a sinking ship like OSDN is, the eliminating of 6 characters from a message saves about two bucks a quarter, which lets us order Cowboy Neal a pizza every 10 years approximately. Someday (in approximately 50 years for our retirement party) we are optimistic we will be able to afford a party pizza for Neal and one for the rest of the editors. Unfortunately, whatever toppings we agree on micheal insists he doesn't like.

6. Why should we care?

SUBCRIBE. WE'RE POOR.

7. I was under the impression that if we subscribed, half the promised features don't work.

Another lie perpetuated by trolls.

8. You're a little paranoid about the trolls, aren't you?

NO, we must defend ourselves against them by any means possible, even if it means a 72 hour IP ban for receiving 5 negative moderations.

WTF (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#6770100)

The US seems to be as inviting as North Korea to live in right now. They're like two states breaking apart, one ruled by corporate interests, the other by a communist party. Too bad America rules the world.
And as usual Europe is behind the US, which gives me some time to plan an escape to a remote island somewhere.
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